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  • I recommend signing up for the cloud academy advanced class and asking questions.

    Good tip. Will do.

  • Question for the Zenbeats zealots here…

    Is Zenbeats more of a writing tool/daw than it is a performance improv tool?

    It seems most posts allude to people looking at it or using it as a daw…

    I’ve become an AUM wizard over the years because most of what I do is improvised/performed… I basically start with an AUM session I’ve meticulously set up, and then perform it/record jamming… lots of clever routings, fx routings, etc.

    I’ve started using the mc-707 as a hardware version of iPad+AUM because that’s basically what it is.

    But when I open Zenbeats, it just screams DAW. And I hate DAWs.

    Am I just misinterpreting Zenbeats? Are there any people that focus on improv that have made a switch from an AUM-based approach to Zenbeats that care to share their approach?

    Thanks.

  • wimwim
    edited February 2023

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Question for the Zenbeats zealots here…

    Is Zenbeats more of a writing tool/daw than it is a performance improv tool?

    I would only use it as a DAW, not as a performance tool - albeit a DAW that encourages and rewards jamming as a means to building up tracks.

  • edited February 2023

    Deleted… figured it out..

  • @CapnWillie said:

    @jaijai said:
    I love the Roland mv 1 and love Zenbeats, but the integration could be extended a bit more. Editing and arranging the vocal parts would be awesome.
    Import and export of clips with Zenbeats or even song transfer. Patch editing etc. There are so many great things to come up with.

    Yes yes and yes. I believe these things will come in time. Updates to both the hardware and software have been consistent so I’m looking forward to what Roland has in store.

    @CapnWillie i love the form factor of the MV1 and was expectant when it was released. Then I learned about the audio time limitations (12 minutes mono per project?) and I just don’t get the “vocal tracks” concept. So it’s vocals but not bass or guitar?. I don’t know if it’s that I’m misunderstanding or that this device is focused on a very specific use case, that is, drum machine with synths and a vocal on top…
    Since you seem to know the MV1 well. Can you do a whole song including guitars, bass, vocals or other external audio?. In this regard, another thing I mentioned in the past is that if using the MV1 with iOS Zenbeats it seems like the audio limit is “inherited” from MV1. I don’t understand why I can record unlimited audio in Zenbeats but I can’t if I’m using it with MV1, seems like instead of enhancing the features it’s limiting them.

  • Is there a way in Zenbeats to have the drum track be something other than 16 steps, not including the time sig option?

    The synth tracks have the “fence” you can drag to change loop start or end, but the drum tracks don’t seem to do that.
    Am I missing something? Maybe a limit in the free version?

    I.e. how do I make a drum track 12 steps?

  • @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Is there a way in Zenbeats to have the drum track be something other than 16 steps, not including the time sig option?

    The synth tracks have the “fence” you can drag to change loop start or end, but the drum tracks don’t seem to do that.
    Am I missing something? Maybe a limit in the free version?

    I.e. how do I make a drum track 12 steps?

    Press the (1) "pianoroll" icon

    Also don’t forget to enable the “inspector” icon (2) , it’s one of best tools ZB3 has on setting various parameters and editing

  • @Korakios said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Is there a way in Zenbeats to have the drum track be something other than 16 steps, not including the time sig option?

    The synth tracks have the “fence” you can drag to change loop start or end, but the drum tracks don’t seem to do that.
    Am I missing something? Maybe a limit in the free version?

    I.e. how do I make a drum track 12 steps?

    Press the (1) "pianoroll" icon

    Also don’t forget to enable the “inspector” icon (2) , it’s one of best tools ZB3 has on setting various parameters and editing

    Thanks for the response, but those don’t work. I’ve tried them.

    In piano roll mode, moving the right “fence” just causes hits to the right to not play. It doesn’t seem to effect the actual loop length.

    And the inspector only seems to work on individual notes. Setting length is only avail when a note/hit is selected…

    Unless it works differently in the unlocked version…which I don’t want if I can’t have offset pattern lengths…

  • Is there a way to get the piano roll’s vertical piano to conform to the scale lock?

  • @MonkeyDrummer said:
    And the inspector only seems to work on individual notes. Setting length is only avail when a note/hit is selected…

    Let's forget that , I mentioned it as an extra feature many people forget it exists and make worflow easier , but it doesn't have anything to do for the length , sorry for the confusion

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Unless it works differently in the unlocked version…which I don’t want if I can’t have offset pattern lengths…

    It's the same , you can start a one month free subscription on Roland site that includes Zenbeats if you want to demo ZB3

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    In piano roll mode, moving the right “fence” just causes hits to the right to not play. It doesn’t seem to effect the actual loop length.

    You are correct , it's supposed to work like that , but I meant something else , look at the photo :

    unfortunately you found a bug , in the meantime make suse you set 2 bars and long press on the region and select "Set Region End"

    @MatthewAtZenbeats , the region feature doesn't show if the Pattern Size is one bar , it shows on 2 and above
    Also even if snap is disabled , the start/end is locked to one bar length
    A suggestion : there shouldn't be extra region snap option IMO , the region should follow the snap (if enabled) of the grid

    Also while messing with the time signature , if I choose eg 12/4 , notes on drum mode (not pianoroll) get messed . It's like the secong half of one measure shows on the same page but on drum slot below (maybe I should record a video , difficult to explain)

  • @Korakios said:

    unfortunately you found a bug , in the meantime make suse you set 2 bars and long press on the region and select "Set Region End"

    @MatthewAtZenbeats , the region feature doesn't show if the Pattern Size is one bar , it shows on 2 and above
    Also even if snap is disabled , the start/end is locked to one bar length
    A suggestion : there shouldn't be extra region snap option IMO , the region should follow the snap (if enabled) of the grid

    Also while messing with the time signature , if I choose eg 12/4 , notes on drum mode (not pianoroll) get messed . It's like the secong half of one measure shows on the same page but on drum slot below (maybe I should record a video , difficult to explain)

    Hmmm… my view when I go into piano roll doesn’t look like yours…

    How did you get it to show the zr1 logo and that region selection? I’ve pressed every button and can’t figure out how you got it.

  • edited February 2023

    @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @Korakios said:

    unfortunately you found a bug , in the meantime make suse you set 2 bars and long press on the region and select "Set Region End"

    @MatthewAtZenbeats , the region feature doesn't show if the Pattern Size is one bar , it shows on 2 and above
    Also even if snap is disabled , the start/end is locked to one bar length
    A suggestion : there shouldn't be extra region snap option IMO , the region should follow the snap (if enabled) of the grid

    Also while messing with the time signature , if I choose eg 12/4 , notes on drum mode (not pianoroll) get messed . It's like the secong half of one measure shows on the same page but on drum slot below (maybe I should record a video , difficult to explain)

    Hmmm… my view when I go into piano roll doesn’t look like yours…

    How did you get it to show the zr1 logo and that region selection? I’ve pressed every button and can’t figure out how you got it.

    open the inspector ,tap the track icon not the midi loop ( 1:Drums ) and set 2 bars ,
    or it's already 2 bars ?

  • edited February 2023

    @Korakios said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @Korakios said:

    unfortunately you found a bug , in the meantime make suse you set 2 bars and long press on the region and select "Set Region End"

    @MatthewAtZenbeats , the region feature doesn't show if the Pattern Size is one bar , it shows on 2 and above
    Also even if snap is disabled , the start/end is locked to one bar length
    A suggestion : there shouldn't be extra region snap option IMO , the region should follow the snap (if enabled) of the grid

    Also while messing with the time signature , if I choose eg 12/4 , notes on drum mode (not pianoroll) get messed . It's like the secong half of one measure shows on the same page but on drum slot below (maybe I should record a video , difficult to explain)

    Hmmm… my view when I go into piano roll doesn’t look like yours…

    How did you get it to show the zr1 logo and that region selection? I’ve pressed every button and can’t figure out how you got it.

    open the inspector ,tap the track icon not the midi loop ( 1:Drums ) and set 2 bars ,
    or it's already 2 bars ?

    Here’s what I have… Maybe it’s a symptom of it being the free version…

    But it sounds like it’s bugged anyway, so perhaps I’ll wait and see if it gets fixed then try again.

    Basically it sounds like you can only change drum tracks in even multiple of full bars dictated by the "time sig".. Which is kinda odd and not very "TR"-ish...

    Thanks a lot for your help.

  • @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @Korakios said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:

    @Korakios said:

    unfortunately you found a bug , in the meantime make suse you set 2 bars and long press on the region and select "Set Region End"

    @MatthewAtZenbeats , the region feature doesn't show if the Pattern Size is one bar , it shows on 2 and above
    Also even if snap is disabled , the start/end is locked to one bar length
    A suggestion : there shouldn't be extra region snap option IMO , the region should follow the snap (if enabled) of the grid

    Also while messing with the time signature , if I choose eg 12/4 , notes on drum mode (not pianoroll) get messed . It's like the secong half of one measure shows on the same page but on drum slot below (maybe I should record a video , difficult to explain)

    Hmmm… my view when I go into piano roll doesn’t look like yours…

    How did you get it to show the zr1 logo and that region selection? I’ve pressed every button and can’t figure out how you got it.

    open the inspector ,tap the track icon not the midi loop ( 1:Drums ) and set 2 bars ,
    or it's already 2 bars ?

    Here’s what I have… Maybe it’s a symptom of it being the free version…

    But it sounds like it’s bugged anyway, so perhaps I’ll wait and see if it gets fixed then try again.

    Basically it sounds like you can only change drum tracks in even multiple of full bars dictated by the "time sig".. Which is kinda odd and not very "TR"-ish...

    Thanks a lot for your help.

    That is the inspector.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • @DMfan said:

    That is the inspector.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

    Right... But where would I set a clip to be 12 beats? Or 7 Beats? Pattern size seems to be limited to full bars, and the bars have to constrain to a set time sig...

    I'd like kick to be 16 beats
    Snare to be 6
    Closed hat to be 12
    etc.

    That doesn't seem to be possible...

  • Hi Evveryone,

    Just getting back to work from an extended weekend... of more work lol. Some notes inline, below.

    @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @CapnWillie said:

    @DMfan said:

    @CapnWillie said:

    Hey @MatthewAtZenbeats , any chance you guys can write a script for Arturia’s new MiniLab 3?

    Currently they offer Ableton, Logic and Bitwig. It would be really great to have Zenbeats among them. Especially for iPad as it is already a great companion to Roland MV1 and J-6.

    The Oled screen and clickable selection knob lets you cycle tracks, instruments and presets within a DAW. The pads allow clip launching and transport. The top four knobs map to key sound design parameters on built in instruments, the bottom 4 map to effect (delay, dev, chorus, etc) parameters on built in instruments. The faders control the mixer (vol, pan, send, etc). Shift + keys/pads control arp, chord, midi channel, program changes.

    👍

    If you never ask, you’re always going to get a no…. although my I feel it is Arturia’s ball, not Roland’s since Roland is also selling their own controllers.

    Arturia seems to have more or less left the iOS scene sorry to say.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

    Could be. Although Apple (Logic) and Bitwig apparently added their scripts after it launched. Also, if Zenbeats wants to catch up or at least be mentioned in the same sentence as the big guys they may want to throw their hat in. As you said, a try beats a blank.🤷🏽‍♂️

    I couldn’t find any decent portable Roland midi controllers (besides the J-6 which i adore). I’d def be interested in any that are mapped to control Z3.

    First off, beautiful view!

    I agree, scripts are essential and what essentially separate the adults from the kids with DAWs. And with Zenbeats being a desktop DAW, its peers are Logic, Bitwig, Ableton, etc. What I think Roland (Zenbeats) really needs to do is open up a scripting api like Ableton, Fl Studio, Bitwig, etc that would allow enthusiasts to build their own scripts for personal use, sharing, or selling and let us actually maximize our controllers with it.

    And while we're on the subject I'll rant: I lost my Roli blocks compatibility to the zenbeats update and I guess there's no intention to bring it back. I also requested the knob for the piano roll editor to have midi learn fixed, instead its been removed entirely. Really?

    MIDI Hardware Support:
    I too would love to see more compatible hardware support in Zenbeats and much discussion has been had by my team on this topic. Currently we are focused on improving other key areas in the app. We'll get to improving MIDI hardware mapping in the future.

    Sometimes when we find issues that cannot be easily fixed, we may opt to remove them until they can be addressed. The MIDI mapping of the knobs in the MIDI inspector will be revisited when we address some of the other MIDI mapping tasks.

    With Roli Blocks devices being discontinued, I don't believe the unofficial integration that worked in early versions of Zenbeats will be able to be updated/fixed. I'd recommend creating your own maps with their custom software. I know that's not ideal, but it is the only thing that can be done now.

    @Korakios said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    And the inspector only seems to work on individual notes. Setting length is only avail when a note/hit is selected…

    Let's forget that , I mentioned it as an extra feature many people forget it exists and make worflow easier , but it doesn't have anything to do for the length , sorry for the confusion

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Unless it works differently in the unlocked version…which I don’t want if I can’t have offset pattern lengths…

    It's the same , you can start a one month free subscription on Roland site that includes Zenbeats if you want to demo ZB3

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    In piano roll mode, moving the right “fence” just causes hits to the right to not play. It doesn’t seem to effect the actual loop length.

    You are correct , it's supposed to work like that , but I meant something else , look at the photo :

    unfortunately you found a bug , in the meantime make suse you set 2 bars and long press on the region and select "Set Region End"

    @MatthewAtZenbeats , the region feature doesn't show if the Pattern Size is one bar , it shows on 2 and above
    Also even if snap is disabled , the start/end is locked to one bar length
    A suggestion : there shouldn't be extra region snap option IMO , the region should follow the snap (if enabled) of the grid

    Also while messing with the time signature , if I choose eg 12/4 , notes on drum mode (not pianoroll) get messed . It's like the secong half of one measure shows on the same page but on drum slot below (maybe I should record a video , difficult to explain)

    Drum Track MIDI Editor:
    We'll take a look at the odd time signature issues. We know there is plenty of room for improvement here.

    p.s.
    also found an issue with atom piano roll where if the note is on the first "step" of the piano roll and the clip is armed it's played constantly even if zenbeats is not playing. however I don't really need to use atom within zenbeats :D and I think it can be mitigated by using automation on atom launch parameters

    I found the same issue with Atom and I would like to see it fixed in the next Zenbeats update hopefully. Atom is essential to my work flow and this bug is the main reason I haven't used it too much lately. Thanks

    Regarding ATOM
    We've taken a look at Atom and can confirm an issue when having a note start on the first step. The plugin is essentially spamming midi data. I've reached out to the developer numerous times but have not received a reply. We'll be happy to work on this when we can get in touch with them.

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats said:
    Hi Evveryone,

    Just getting back to work from an extended weekend... of more work lol. Some notes inline, below.

    @ipadbeatmaking said:

    @CapnWillie said:

    @DMfan said:

    @CapnWillie said:

    Hey @MatthewAtZenbeats , any chance you guys can write a script for Arturia’s new MiniLab 3?

    Currently they offer Ableton, Logic and Bitwig. It would be really great to have Zenbeats among them. Especially for iPad as it is already a great companion to Roland MV1 and J-6.

    The Oled screen and clickable selection knob lets you cycle tracks, instruments and presets within a DAW. The pads allow clip launching and transport. The top four knobs map to key sound design parameters on built in instruments, the bottom 4 map to effect (delay, dev, chorus, etc) parameters on built in instruments. The faders control the mixer (vol, pan, send, etc). Shift + keys/pads control arp, chord, midi channel, program changes.

    👍

    If you never ask, you’re always going to get a no…. although my I feel it is Arturia’s ball, not Roland’s since Roland is also selling their own controllers.

    Arturia seems to have more or less left the iOS scene sorry to say.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

    Could be. Although Apple (Logic) and Bitwig apparently added their scripts after it launched. Also, if Zenbeats wants to catch up or at least be mentioned in the same sentence as the big guys they may want to throw their hat in. As you said, a try beats a blank.🤷🏽‍♂️

    I couldn’t find any decent portable Roland midi controllers (besides the J-6 which i adore). I’d def be interested in any that are mapped to control Z3.

    First off, beautiful view!

    I agree, scripts are essential and what essentially separate the adults from the kids with DAWs. And with Zenbeats being a desktop DAW, its peers are Logic, Bitwig, Ableton, etc. What I think Roland (Zenbeats) really needs to do is open up a scripting api like Ableton, Fl Studio, Bitwig, etc that would allow enthusiasts to build their own scripts for personal use, sharing, or selling and let us actually maximize our controllers with it.

    And while we're on the subject I'll rant: I lost my Roli blocks compatibility to the zenbeats update and I guess there's no intention to bring it back. I also requested the knob for the piano roll editor to have midi learn fixed, instead its been removed entirely. Really?

    MIDI Hardware Support:
    I too would love to see more compatible hardware support in Zenbeats and much discussion has been had by my team on this topic. Currently we are focused on improving other key areas in the app. We'll get to improving MIDI hardware mapping in the future.

    Sounds good! An API and formal support for custom/user scripts would be great also, when y’all get a chance.

    Sometimes when we find issues that cannot be easily fixed, we may opt to remove them until they can be addressed. The MIDI mapping of the knobs in the MIDI inspector will be revisited when we address some of the other MIDI mapping tasks.

    Looking forward to it.

    With Roli Blocks devices being discontinued, I don't believe the unofficial integration that worked in early versions of Zenbeats will be able to be updated/fixed. I'd recommend creating your own maps with their custom software. I know that's not ideal, but it is the only thing that can be done now.

    So it isn’t possible to just re-insert the same script that was removed? I wouldn’t want/expect official support, just would like what we lost back into the app. It was a really nice feature to have. The blocks are still useful with the ZenBeats script, even discontinued.

    @Korakios said:

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    And the inspector only seems to work on individual notes. Setting length is only avail when a note/hit is selected…

    Let's forget that , I mentioned it as an extra feature many people forget it exists and make worflow easier , but it doesn't have anything to do for the length , sorry for the confusion

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Unless it works differently in the unlocked version…which I don’t want if I can’t have offset pattern lengths…

    It's the same , you can start a one month free subscription on Roland site that includes Zenbeats if you want to demo ZB3

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    In piano roll mode, moving the right “fence” just causes hits to the right to not play. It doesn’t seem to effect the actual loop length.

    You are correct , it's supposed to work like that , but I meant something else , look at the photo :

    unfortunately you found a bug , in the meantime make suse you set 2 bars and long press on the region and select "Set Region End"

    @MatthewAtZenbeats , the region feature doesn't show if the Pattern Size is one bar , it shows on 2 and above
    Also even if snap is disabled , the start/end is locked to one bar length
    A suggestion : there shouldn't be extra region snap option IMO , the region should follow the snap (if enabled) of the grid

    Also while messing with the time signature , if I choose eg 12/4 , notes on drum mode (not pianoroll) get messed . It's like the secong half of one measure shows on the same page but on drum slot below (maybe I should record a video , difficult to explain)

    Drum Track MIDI Editor:
    We'll take a look at the odd time signature issues. We know there is plenty of room for improvement here.

    p.s.
    also found an issue with atom piano roll where if the note is on the first "step" of the piano roll and the clip is armed it's played constantly even if zenbeats is not playing. however I don't really need to use atom within zenbeats :D and I think it can be mitigated by using automation on atom launch parameters

    I found the same issue with Atom and I would like to see it fixed in the next Zenbeats update hopefully. Atom is essential to my work flow and this bug is the main reason I haven't used it too much lately. Thanks

    Regarding ATOM
    We've taken a look at Atom and can confirm an issue when having a note start on the first step. The plugin is essentially spamming midi data. I've reached out to the developer numerous times but have not received a reply. We'll be happy to work on this when we can get in touch with them.

    So what’s interesting is that this last (ZenBeats) update specifically broke it within ZenBeats. Up until then it was working great. Is there a way to patch it internally? I ask because Atom’s dev isn’t easy to reach (for many) so It’d be a shame if that is what a fix relied on, especially since it worked before.

    Also, Side request, could we get copy/paste from clipboard support and drag n drop (from files) support for audio and midi? Thanks

  • @MonkeyDrummer said:
    Right... But where would I set a clip to be 12 beats? Or 7 Beats? Pattern size seems to be limited to full bars, and the bars have to constrain to a set time sig...

    You can set whatever length you want ,but it's buggy now

    @MonkeyDrummer said:
    I'd like kick to be 16 beats
    Snare to be 6
    Closed hat to be 12
    etc.

    That doesn't seem to be possible...

    For separate drum elements , polyrhythmic feature isn't possible , at least haven't found a way

  • @ipadbeatmaking said:
    Also, Side request, could we get copy/paste from clipboard support and drag n drop (from files) support for audio and midi? Thanks

    It is in the backlog👍.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • Is anyone else also experiencing that eventide au plugin gui is not showing, black hole,shimmerverb, etc ?

  • @manaftermidnight said:
    Is anyone else also experiencing that eventide au plugin gui is not showing, black hole,shimmerverb, etc ?

    Eventide plugin fix is in the backlog.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • @DMfan said:

    @manaftermidnight said:
    Is anyone else also experiencing that eventide au plugin gui is not showing, black hole,shimmerverb, etc ?

    Eventide plugin fix is in the backlog.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

    Hopefully it’s not too far away as the Eventide AUv3’s are definitely my most frequently used ones…

  • @DMfan said:

    @manaftermidnight said:
    Is anyone else also experiencing that eventide au plugin gui is not showing, black hole,shimmerverb, etc ?

    Eventide plugin fix is in the backlog.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

    Thanks, good to know they are working on it.

  • @manaftermidnight said:
    Is anyone else also experiencing that eventide au plugin gui is not showing, black hole,shimmerverb, etc ?

    This should be fixed in the upcoming release. Stay tuned!

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @manaftermidnight said:
    Is anyone else also experiencing that eventide au plugin gui is not showing, black hole,shimmerverb, etc ?

    This should be fixed in the upcoming release. Stay tuned!

    Great!

    I also noticed that keys get stuck sometimes when using the internal keyboard. Most often after changing a patch in ZC1. But it’s a bit random. I’m using a M1 iPad Pro, 11 inch. Otherwise it’s nice workflow with the improvements in v3 👍

  • I also noticed that keys get stuck sometimes when using the internal keyboard. Most often after changing a patch in ZC1. But it’s a bit random. I’m using a M1 iPad Pro, 11 inch. Otherwise it’s nice workflow with the improvements in v3 👍

    This used to happen when you change preset while holding a key on the screen keyboard.

  • Alright. It seems to happen from time to time over here. No biggie. I just press a lot of keys at the same time and the key locked get unstuck again.

  • @manaftermidnight said:
    Alright. It seems to happen from time to time over here. No biggie. I just press a lot of keys at the same time and the key locked get unstuck again.

    Noted, confirmed and forwarded to the developer.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • I also noticed that plug-ins that are deactivated are activated again when reopening a project. Is anyone else having this issue?

  • @manaftermidnight said:
    I also noticed that plug-ins that are deactivated are activated again when reopening a project. Is anyone else having this issue?

    This issue will be fixed in our upcoming 3.1.4 update. I'll post here once it is released 👍

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