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  • @DMfan said:
    Zenbeats is not like AUM, it doesn’ t name the interface. It just deals with the number of channels, as of now max 4.

    Asking for a friend with a studio who’s just starting out with Zenbeats and considering an interface with more than 4 input channels, maybe as many as 16. Would only channels 1 to 4 be available for recording or could he choose 5 to 9, etc.?

  • Hoping it’s not inappropriate to ask another beginner’s question here..
    I just can’t seem to find out how to record MIDI ‘straight from an instrument AU’. (Like the internal keyboard from a synth AU for instance, and not using the Zenbeats keyboard). Is this possible in Zenbeats?

  • edited January 2023

    @Tarekith , I’m playing around w both NTrack and Zenbeats. I agree about the time line work flow though , great comment .

  • edited January 2023

    @carlcaulkett said:
    The next hurdle has arrived! How can I copy more than one adjacent patterns from the linear view into a single clip of more than one bar length? Alternatively, is there a way of combining several adjacent pattern into a single pattern, which can then, presumably be copied into the clip view?

    Not possible currently. Thanks for the suggestion!

    Also, following up on a previous question, am I right in thinking that the pattern inspector can only be used to extend the length of a pattern when that pattern is a built in instrument or drum kit, not an external AU3 plugin?

    Nope, you can extend any pattern an instrument track. Just tap the Pattern icon, then set the pattern size to what you want.

  • @janpieter said:
    Hoping it’s not inappropriate to ask another beginner’s question here..
    I just can’t seem to find out how to record MIDI ‘straight from an instrument AU’. (Like the internal keyboard from a synth AU for instance, and not using the Zenbeats keyboard). Is this possible in Zenbeats?

    Not possible, currently. Sorry about that.

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @janpieter said:
    Hoping it’s not inappropriate to ask another beginner’s question here..
    I just can’t seem to find out how to record MIDI ‘straight from an instrument AU’. (Like the internal keyboard from a synth AU for instance, and not using the Zenbeats keyboard). Is this possible in Zenbeats?

    Not possible, currently. Sorry about that.

    No problem. Now I know not to go looking any further and just use what’s there..

  • edited January 2023

    @DMfan said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    It just seems that Zenbeats isn’t recognizing the audio input. There’s no option in the audio routing for the specific interface. The iRig pads, however, show up and send midi to the drum sampler. The interface is recognized in Drambo and AUM, so I’m not sure what needs to happen here.

    Not at the ipad now; will send screenshot later.

    Yes, please do.

    Zenbeats is not like AUM, it doesn’ t name the interface. It just deals with the number of channels, as of now max 4. Below is a pic of my Minifuse 2 connected. It has two channels, and channel 1 and 2, in Zenbeats is locked to it. Channel 3 and 4 says no input if chosen, since the Minifuse 2 only has two channels. Any audio now coming from the interface will get picked up by Zenbeats.

    Are you saying you can’t see your audio interface name (the audio input source) in Zenbeats, or that no audio is recorded when everything is connected properly?

    /DMfan🇸🇪

    Interesting. My interface is an iConnect Audio 4+, which has four audio ins and outs. In in the iConfig software, these are listed as channels 15, 16, 17 and 18. All these channels appear in the Zenbeats "audio input" window, but although I have routed Channel 15 into my audio track, the meters do not move.

    I suppose I could reconfigure the routing matrix for the interface, but it's a bit baffling.... [NOTE: this is an image from the iConfig manual; these are not my actual settings. I'm away from my studio laptop at the moment.]

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    If you have a subscription with Roland Cloud (even the $2.99 per month option). You get access to Zenbeats on any device/OS and you get access to all in-app content (every pack in the Loops and Presets tab in our Store). It is activated by simply signing into Zenbeats with your email address linked to your Roland Account.

    I must have been automatically signed in to my account because all I had to do was to go into Settings -> General and press the Update Core Content. Actually, it wasn’t all I had to do - I then had to go into the store and download all of the loops and presets. A button to update everything in one go would be handy 😉

  • @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @carlcaulkett said:
    The next hurdle has arrived! How can I copy more than one adjacent patterns from the linear view into a single clip of more than one bar length? Alternatively, is there a way of combining several adjacent pattern into a single pattern, which can then, presumably be copied into the clip view?

    Not possible currently. Thanks for the suggestion!

    See my updated original question. I found a way, using a combination of Multi and Glue 😉

    Also, following up on a previous question, am I right in thinking that the pattern inspector can only be used to extend the length of a pattern when that pattern is a built in instrument or drum kit, not an external AU3 plugin?

    Nope, you can extend any pattern an instrument track. Just tap the Pattern icon, then set the pattern size to what you want.

    Ah, cool! I didn’t think to do it from within the pattern itself. Thanks very much!

  • edited January 2023

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @SLPGroundSoundMusic said:

    @Korakios said:

    @SLPGroundSoundMusic said:

    @Korakios said:

    @SLPGroundSoundMusic said:
    im really disappointed about roland, zenbeats and apple because last week after the update there was something wrong with zenbeats, any of the auv3 wasn’t showing on the auv3 list on zenbeats, so i sign out of zenbeats to sign backing to see if that would help fix the problem, so after signing back in, zenbeats was asking me to purchase zenbeats ios unlock which i didn’t though much about it and i just press the ios full unlock thinking apple store was going give me the message telling me that (You already purchase this do you want to download it for free) but it didn’t, it actually charge me again the full price 10.81 for the ios unlock,,, which on sep 16 2022 i all ready paid for it at the at the version 2 to version 3 update discount which was at 3.99 when i bought it on sep 16 2022, so for the first time ever after spending more $2000 on ios music apps through this last 2 years, i when to the apple refund to report the problem and to get my money back, apple and roland refuse to give me the money back,
    and even though its just 10.81 but i feel robbed by Apple and Roland, and what really bothers me is that ios its a platform that i support a lot i spend a lot of money on, and now i feel like never spending any more money on apple ios apps and just go back to pc or mac and just download every hacked roland apps and never ever again buy and support a roland app for now on every roland app the i will own will be hacked roland never again will never get a penny from me, and when it comes to apple devices i will never again buy a new device, i will only buy a used device from the street and apple so apple and roland 🖕🏼this is the only thing you will get from me ever again

    this is when i bought the ios unlock for version 2

    this is when i bought the version 3 new features update ios unlock on sep 16 2022

    and this is when they changed me again and just again but the full price for the same ios unlock that i paid for on sep 16 2022

    Hi, it seems the second purchase was for monthly subscription ,
    You could sign in from ΖΒ to your account and restore purchases to continue using AUs from your initial ZB2 purchase
    So you either have to cancel the monthly subscription , or buy ZB3 unlock (not subscription if you don't want that)

    which second purchase, the one im complaining about which was on Dec 26 2022 for $10.81 , or the one on sep 16 2022 for $3.99 ??

    because what you’re saying its what they said but the reality is that was not case,
    because the Purchase on Sep 16 2022 for $3.99 was a purchase for the version 3 new features update ios full unlock, which doesn’t have anything to do with subscription, and the reason im guessing it was just 3.99 was because i already own version 2 full ios unlock so because of that, for those who already own version 2 full ios unlock there was a discount for those who are updating to version 3 ios unlock , plus i don’t do subscriptions,

    and here is another prove of that,

    so the $10.81 was a double charge for the same thing which doesn’t have to do anything with subscription because again i don’t do subscription, and i never got charged for a subscription based of payment because if that was the case it would’ve be on record on the app store under subscriptions which is the the screenshot above, alway keep the receipts and for records of purchase, apple do too, it seems like apple is being lazy on looking for the records on what was the purchase based on, because if they wasn’t the case i wouldn’t have this and they would’ve gave me back my money !

    my bad , didn't understood had happened initially , sorry for the confusion

    So , to summerize :
    You bought ZB v2
    Then you upgraded to ZB v3 for 3.99$
    At some point when you logout from your ZB account and relogin , your account didn't show your purchases? You had to pay 10.81$ again?

    That sucks , I understand your frustration , only possible user error I can think is you might had different account ID? .... nevertheless you could skip the purchase message and contact Roland support
    I don't judge you , do whatever makes you happy :)

    yes that is what happened !
    so why apple and roland can’t understand that and give me my money back, its not really about the money but more about the principles and appreciation for the clients, specifically clients that has spent more than $2,000 dollars on apps

    Hi There.

    Sorry for the confusion on purchasing. If you haven't done so, please go here and file a ticket. https://www.roland.com/backstage/zenbeats-support

    As for the double charge, your screenshots show that you were refunded the 10.81 on December 25th. What else are we missing here?

    That refunded on Dec 25 for the 10.81 was for another app call DawnBeat which that one was just a mistake trying to get the 10.81 refunded for the zenbeats

  • Gotcha. Make sure you have submitted a ticket and they techs will see what they can do. I know subscription purchases are non-refundable on the app store, but if bought two V3 Unlocks, we should be able to figure something out for you.

    Just make sure you have submitted a ticket with your info

    https://www.roland.com/backstage/zenbeats-support

    and someone will reach out. Please note, we had 2 extra days for the holiday this year, so it may take a little longer than usual to get a reply. Thanks in advance for your patience.

    Cheers!

    Matt

    @SLPGroundSoundMusic said:

    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:

    @SLPGroundSoundMusic said:

    @Korakios said:

    @SLPGroundSoundMusic said:

    @Korakios said:

    @SLPGroundSoundMusic said:
    im really disappointed about roland, zenbeats and apple because last week after the update there was something wrong with zenbeats, any of the auv3 wasn’t showing on the auv3 list on zenbeats, so i sign out of zenbeats to sign backing to see if that would help fix the problem, so after signing back in, zenbeats was asking me to purchase zenbeats ios unlock which i didn’t though much about it and i just press the ios full unlock thinking apple store was going give me the message telling me that (You already purchase this do you want to download it for free) but it didn’t, it actually charge me again the full price 10.81 for the ios unlock,,, which on sep 16 2022 i all ready paid for it at the at the version 2 to version 3 update discount which was at 3.99 when i bought it on sep 16 2022, so for the first time ever after spending more $2000 on ios music apps through this last 2 years, i when to the apple refund to report the problem and to get my money back, apple and roland refuse to give me the money back,
    and even though its just 10.81 but i feel robbed by Apple and Roland, and what really bothers me is that ios its a platform that i support a lot i spend a lot of money on, and now i feel like never spending any more money on apple ios apps and just go back to pc or mac and just download every hacked roland apps and never ever again buy and support a roland app for now on every roland app the i will own will be hacked roland never again will never get a penny from me, and when it comes to apple devices i will never again buy a new device, i will only buy a used device from the street and apple so apple and roland 🖕🏼this is the only thing you will get from me ever again

    this is when i bought the ios unlock for version 2

    this is when i bought the version 3 new features update ios unlock on sep 16 2022

    and this is when they changed me again and just again but the full price for the same ios unlock that i paid for on sep 16 2022

    Hi, it seems the second purchase was for monthly subscription ,
    You could sign in from ΖΒ to your account and restore purchases to continue using AUs from your initial ZB2 purchase
    So you either have to cancel the monthly subscription , or buy ZB3 unlock (not subscription if you don't want that)

    which second purchase, the one im complaining about which was on Dec 26 2022 for $10.81 , or the one on sep 16 2022 for $3.99 ??

    because what you’re saying its what they said but the reality is that was not case,
    because the Purchase on Sep 16 2022 for $3.99 was a purchase for the version 3 new features update ios full unlock, which doesn’t have anything to do with subscription, and the reason im guessing it was just 3.99 was because i already own version 2 full ios unlock so because of that, for those who already own version 2 full ios unlock there was a discount for those who are updating to version 3 ios unlock , plus i don’t do subscriptions,

    and here is another prove of that,

    so the $10.81 was a double charge for the same thing which doesn’t have to do anything with subscription because again i don’t do subscription, and i never got charged for a subscription based of payment because if that was the case it would’ve be on record on the app store under subscriptions which is the the screenshot above, alway keep the receipts and for records of purchase, apple do too, it seems like apple is being lazy on looking for the records on what was the purchase based on, because if they wasn’t the case i wouldn’t have this and they would’ve gave me back my money !

    my bad , didn't understood had happened initially , sorry for the confusion

    So , to summerize :
    You bought ZB v2
    Then you upgraded to ZB v3 for 3.99$
    At some point when you logout from your ZB account and relogin , your account didn't show your purchases? You had to pay 10.81$ again?

    That sucks , I understand your frustration , only possible user error I can think is you might had different account ID? .... nevertheless you could skip the purchase message and contact Roland support
    I don't judge you , do whatever makes you happy :)

    yes that is what happened !
    so why apple and roland can’t understand that and give me my money back, its not really about the money but more about the principles and appreciation for the clients, specifically clients that has spent more than $2,000 dollars on apps

    Hi There.

    Sorry for the confusion on purchasing. If you haven't done so, please go here and file a ticket. https://www.roland.com/backstage/zenbeats-support

    As for the double charge, your screenshots show that you were refunded the 10.81 on December 25th. What else are we missing here?

    That refunded on Dec 25 for the 10.81 was for another app call DawnBeat which that one was just a mistake trying to get the 10.81 refunded for the zenbeats

  • edited January 2023

    Sorry for the confusion on purchasing. If you haven't done so, please go here and file a ticket. https://www.roland.com/backstage/zenbeats-support

    and yes i have done so, because i call apple about it and they told me that have to report the problem to roland first, which then i did

    and this was what they told me

    which what they told me wasn’t the case and i try to let them know that it wasn’t the case by presenting them the screenshot and records of all the purchase and all the purchases numbers and records, but they seems too lazy to verify the purchase, because even with all the screenshots of the receipt and all the provided proof, they still Denied the refund, because the purchase records should provide everything that im talking about, plus why would i need to buy the same purchase of the same thing, on the same account and email, its obvious that it doesn’t make sense and that the purchase has to be a mistake that should be refunded back

  • @Telstar5 said:
    @Tarekith , I’m playing around w both NTrack and Zenbeats. I agree about the time line work flow though , great comment .

    Sorry, but huh? I don't think I've even commented in this thread yet, so not sure what you're referring to.

  • edited January 2023

    i have submitted a ticket like i mentioned on the other comments and like i also mentioned i don’t do subscriptions, plus here is another prove that i didn’t by accident bought a core subscription
    which first of all, i was just looking at it, and it says that a month subscription if free, so if that was the case, why would they charge me for if its free for one month trial ?
    and again i never did

    but anyway thank you for your help !



    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:
    Gotcha. Make sure you have submitted a ticket and they techs will see what they can do. I know subscription purchases are non-refundable on the app store, but if bought two V3 Unlocks, we should be able to figure something out for you.

    Just make sure you have submitted a ticket with your info

    https://www.roland.com/backstage/zenbeats-support

    and someone will reach out. Please note, we had 2 extra days for the holiday this year, so it may take a little longer than usual to get a reply. Thanks in advance for your patience.

    Cheers!

    Matt

  • @Schmotown said:
    Asking for a friend with a studio who’s just starting out with Zenbeats and considering an interface with more than 4 input channels, maybe as many as 16. Would only channels 1 to 4 be available for recording or could he choose 5 to 9, etc.?

    I stand corrected when it comes to the number of channels, I have misunderstood, sorry about that🙏. ZB is meant to read the number of outputs your device has, nothing else.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • edited January 2023

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    Interesting. My interface is an iConnect Audio 4+, which has four audio ins and outs. In in the iConfig software, these are listed as channels 15, 16, 17 and 18. All these channels appear in the Zenbeats "audio input" window, but although I have routed Channel 15 into my audio track, the meters do not move.

    I suppose I could reconfigure the routing matrix for the interface, but it's a bit baffling.... [NOTE: this is an image from the iConfig manual; these are not my actual settings. I'm away from my studio laptop at the moment.]

    I stand corrected when it comes to the number of channels, I have misunderstood, sorry about that🙏. ZB is meant to read the number of outputs your device has, nothing else.

    Are they named like that when checking the inputs in Zenbeats? Could it be that you have to use channel 1 to 4 instead in your software and name them the same? And that Zenbeats don’t assign channels to any incoming audio above 4 inputs since this is the number of outputs your interface has, and names them accordingly?

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • @SLPGroundSoundMusic said:
    i have submitted a ticket like i mentioned on the other comments and like i also mentioned i don’t do subscriptions, plus here is another prove that i didn’t by accident bought a core subscription
    which first of all, i was just looking at it, and it says that a month subscription if free, so if that was the case, why would they charge me for if its free for one month trial ?
    and again i never did

    but anyway thank you for your help !



    @MatthewAtZenbeats said:
    Gotcha. Make sure you have submitted a ticket and they techs will see what they can do. I know subscription purchases are non-refundable on the app store, but if bought two V3 Unlocks, we should be able to figure something out for you.

    Just make sure you have submitted a ticket with your info

    https://www.roland.com/backstage/zenbeats-support

    and someone will reach out. Please note, we had 2 extra days for the holiday this year, so it may take a little longer than usual to get a reply. Thanks in advance for your patience.

    Cheers!

    Matt

    @SLPGroundSoundMusic Might be better if you take your personal Apple/ Zenbeats refund problems and use private messaging to sort this mess out rather than splash it all over the media. One you could be opening yourself up to scamming to it’s not really what this thread is about. Just saying. Hope you get it sorted.👍

  • @DMfan said:

    @Schmotown said:
    Asking for a friend with a studio who’s just starting out with Zenbeats and considering an interface with more than 4 input channels, maybe as many as 16. Would only channels 1 to 4 be available for recording or could he choose 5 to 9, etc.?

    I stand corrected when it comes to the number of channels, I have misunderstood, sorry about that🙏. ZB is meant to read the number of outputs your device has, nothing else.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

    That’s good. Thanks for following up @DMfan

  • edited January 2023

    @CapnWillie said:

    Appreciate the reports of your progress!

    Sounds like great fun, and your experience just proves that Roland has hit a home run with the Zencore universe. I wish I had the space possibilities for a larger stationary setup but iPad, an audio interface and a controller will have to do until we kick the kids out the house😁.

    At least I got myself a Gravity DJ desk for Xmas to put my little mobile Zenbeats setup on instead of the kitchen table, it has room for my LK 61 and Uno Synth Pro as well!

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • OK, so I've been able to send a guitar signal into AUM, Drambo and Cubasis, all discoverable on Channel 15 of my interface.

    But in Zenbeats, I can't figure out how to route the signal. It seems to be recognizing that the interface is connected. The midi pads show up and are usable with the drum synth. When I unplug the interface from the lightning port, my available 18 input channels vanish and I have only one — the iPad microphone. But even that doesn't show up in the channel meter, which tells me I'm doing something stupid.

    Maybe I should start there. How do you get sound in an audio track via the built-in microphone?

  • edited January 2023

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    OK, so I've been able to send a guitar signal into AUM, Drambo and Cubasis, all discoverable on Channel 15 of my interface.

    But in Zenbeats, I can't figure out how to route the signal. It seems to be recognizing that the interface is connected. The midi pads show up and are usable with the drum synth. When I unplug the interface from the lightning port, my available 18 input channels vanish and I have only one — the iPad microphone. But even that doesn't show up in the channel meter, which tells me I'm doing something stupid.

    Maybe I should start there. How do you get sound in an audio track via the built-in microphone?

    Open the template "record audio", it should create an audio track ready to record
    But also check in Settings the "Audio" section to see if everything is ok

  • After all that, the microphone permissions were turned off. Why? Who knows.

  • @CapnWillie , @MatthewAtZenbeats from my
    mouth to Roland’s ears I wish we iOS/iPad people who don’t actually own a Mac or PC could be all in on Zenology Pro. Perhaps it will be possible on iPad at some point in the future .

  • edited January 2023

    @CapnWillie said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @CapnWillie , @MatthewAtZenbeats from my
    mouth to Roland’s ears I wish we iOS/iPad people who don’t actually own a Mac or PC could be all in on Zenology Pro. Perhaps it will be possible on iPad at some point in the future .

    That would be amazing. Really really amazing. It would greatly boost my workflow and overall integration with all Zen-enabled hardware. I’d be surprised, impressed and delighted to see it.

    Yeah, I would strongly consider purchasing that .. Thanks for all your insights into the system. Haven’t t gotten the MV1 but I’m very close to pulling that trigger .

  • edited January 2023

    Is there a way of getting Zenbeats to play the various patterns available in the browser in the correct tempo as indicated on each entry, instead of having to stop playback and adjusting the tempo manually? Having to stop and start all the time makes auditioning patterns a cumbersome task!

  • I’ve put together a 2 bar beat with 6 audio tracks. The hi-hat track is going through Dub Station, and I have used automation to vary the feedback in the second bar. The problem comes when I duplicate bars 1 and 2. I cannot figure out how to copy and paste the automation. Any ideas, anyone?

  • @CapnWillie said:

    …………

    In fact, before I copped the Verselab on sale, I used just iPad with no controller. Zenbeats has excellent in app midi controllers as does my other favs BM3 and GarageBand. Also, apps like DrumComputer, Looperator, Egoist, etc are beasts in Zenbeats clip based workflow…,

    Hey Captain, you seem pretty versed with Zenbeats. Maybe you can point out what I overlooked. I was checking it out last week, made the IAP for unlocking AUs, and ultimately bowed out once I discovered that Zenbeats won’t record the MIDI from external AUs, ie Geoshred, Chord pads.

    Perhaps I lack creativity, but as far as I can tell the only in app midi controllers I see are the keyboard with optional arp and a drum pad. Thanks 🙏🏻

  • @Blipsford_Baubie said:

    @CapnWillie said:

    …………

    In fact, before I copped the Verselab on sale, I used just iPad with no controller. Zenbeats has excellent in app midi controllers as does my other favs BM3 and GarageBand. Also, apps like DrumComputer, Looperator, Egoist, etc are beasts in Zenbeats clip based workflow…,

    Hey Captain, you seem pretty versed with Zenbeats. Maybe you can point out what I overlooked. I was checking it out last week, made the IAP for unlocking AUs, and ultimately bowed out once I discovered that Zenbeats won’t record the MIDI from external AUs, ie Geoshred, Chord pads.

    Perhaps I lack creativity, but as far as I can tell the only in app midi controllers I see are the keyboard with optional arp and a drum pad. Thanks 🙏🏻

    Use a Geoshred Au + a Geoshred au midi fx. Use the au to pick your instrument and the au midi fx to play the instrument. In the midi options on the track choose “print midi fx”


    Now when u press record and play the midi AU fx interface of Geoshred it will record.

    To be clear, ZenBeats afaik will only record au midi fx not au instruments surface/interface playing.

  • @CapnWillie said:
    Thanks for that much better illustration of the midi effects workaround @ipadbeatmaking ! Not perfect but is at least doable. Geoshred is an app I haven’t used enough.

    The latest ZenBeats update makes this easier to do, but I think Cubasis is better with this since just opening the au instrument will let u record directly to the timeline. ZenBeats is making important strides forward. Hopefully this will be another one in the near future.

    So @CapnWillie you’re keeping the verselab?

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