Zenbeats Version 3

Edward_Alexander

@Samu said:

@Edward_Alexander said:
I saw this had in update recently, so I figured I’d start it up, and maybe see if I could get something going.

I think I just can’t get over the feeling that I’m missing a lot of what this whole Zenbeats thing includes.

There’s always this feeling that I need to “buy more stuff” which I absolutely do NOT like!

We don’t have this in AUM, we don’t have it in Drambo, and we don’t have it in Loopy Pro. Even in Cubasis there’s a set number of add-ons you can buy, but once you do, you’re done.

I mean, I bought the app to begin with, then I bought the “iOS unlock”, then the “iOS unlock version 2” then the “VIP thing” , then another VIP thing, oh and now I see there’s a new “IOS Unlock V3” which offers “massive savings” then I realize there’s the whole membership thing that I haven’t got any access to yet, because there’s “Core, Pro, or Ultimate” choices, but then I’m not really purchasing anything, but merely “subscribing” then there’s the whole “Sampleverse” thing, which wants to sell me all these sample packs… ugh

Under “MY STUFF”, I have this long list of “stuff”, but then I’m finding out that I really don’t have much of anything according to all the “Unlock this and that, core, verse etc” that’s being offered for me to purchase.

I guess I’m just not the target consumer for this type of thing. I’ve tried to participate, but I can honestly say this might be one of the rare cases where I actually remove a music app from my iPad.

And I think it's only a matter of time before it's time for the V4 unlock...

I jumped on the Z-train with the iOS V2 unlock when it was offered for free (or very cheap) during the pandemic and then I got the iOS V3 unlock which was heavily discounted (think it was $4.99 or so).

Other than that I've not bought any additional stuff for it, but I have downloaded the free 'mix tapes' when they have dropped for additional sounds.

I admit that ZC-1 was one of the reasons I got the V3 unlock and I had hopes to see a full ZenCore synth with patch editing inside ZenBeats as well as being able to run it as an AUv3 on iOS but maybe that's just way too much wishful thinking.

It is what it is and It's very nice to see the developers improving it at a rate which makes me wonder what the other DAW developers on iOS are doing?!

Cheers!

Yeah, I mean if I could load a ZC-1 AUv3 synth into an audio channel in one of my preferred hosts, I’d be all over it. Shoot, I’d pay good money for it!

But all of this, how it is now? Naw…

tahiche

@Edward_Alexander said:

@Samu said:

@Edward_Alexander said:
I saw this had in update recently, so I figured I’d start it up, and maybe see if I could get something going.

I think I just can’t get over the feeling that I’m missing a lot of what this whole Zenbeats thing includes.

There’s always this feeling that I need to “buy more stuff” which I absolutely do NOT like!

We don’t have this in AUM, we don’t have it in Drambo, and we don’t have it in Loopy Pro. Even in Cubasis there’s a set number of add-ons you can buy, but once you do, you’re done.

I mean, I bought the app to begin with, then I bought the “iOS unlock”, then the “iOS unlock version 2” then the “VIP thing” , then another VIP thing, oh and now I see there’s a new “IOS Unlock V3” which offers “massive savings” then I realize there’s the whole membership thing that I haven’t got any access to yet, because there’s “Core, Pro, or Ultimate” choices, but then I’m not really purchasing anything, but merely “subscribing” then there’s the whole “Sampleverse” thing, which wants to sell me all these sample packs… ugh

Under “MY STUFF”, I have this long list of “stuff”, but then I’m finding out that I really don’t have much of anything according to all the “Unlock this and that, core, verse etc” that’s being offered for me to purchase.

I guess I’m just not the target consumer for this type of thing. I’ve tried to participate, but I can honestly say this might be one of the rare cases where I actually remove a music app from my iPad.

And I think it's only a matter of time before it's time for the V4 unlock...

I jumped on the Z-train with the iOS V2 unlock when it was offered for free (or very cheap) during the pandemic and then I got the iOS V3 unlock which was heavily discounted (think it was $4.99 or so).

Other than that I've not bought any additional stuff for it, but I have downloaded the free 'mix tapes' when they have dropped for additional sounds.

I admit that ZC-1 was one of the reasons I got the V3 unlock and I had hopes to see a full ZenCore synth with patch editing inside ZenBeats as well as being able to run it as an AUv3 on iOS but maybe that's just way too much wishful thinking.

It is what it is and It's very nice to see the developers improving it at a rate which makes me wonder what the other DAW developers on iOS are doing?!

Cheers!

Yeah, I mean if I could load a ZC-1 AUv3 synth into an audio channel in one of my preferred hosts, I’d be all over it. Shoot, I’d pay good money for it!

But all of this, how it is now? Naw…

I agree it’s very confusing. Specially if you only want ZB on your iPad, in which case all the cloud stuff and ultimate whatever doesn’t really make sense.

This is the only one you really need…

BTW how much is it?.
Can’t see it on the AppStore either…

RetroNewb

@MatthewAtZenbeats DoubleTap editor issue SOLVED with update to 16.3.1
(but I promise it wasn’t working before , even though FabFilter ProQ breakpoints proved doubletaps were registering otherwise )
Thanks to @DMfan for engaging .

Re: Unlock structure - it is a mess to understand - though cross platform use is major reason for my ZB use.

DMfan

@Randydaytona said:

@DMfan said:

@Randydaytona said:
I am using an 8th gen iPad on ios14.5.1 maybe that’s it ? .

I’d say most likely it is due the fact that you are using an older version of iOS . I know the developer urges people to use the latest/later version(s), and I believe this is because the effort is put on making an app that is up to date with the current OS, not backwards compatible to any greater extent. But, that is just my guess… I know they have a heck of a job trying to get all different AUv3s to work properly and they do a great job at it. They do test older ZB projects backwards to check they work on newer ZB versions but third party AUv3 compatibility I have come to understand is a thing of its own😁. As @Schmotown wrote, they just succeded with a bunch after a long battle….

Is there a particular reason you’re still on iOS 14 may I ask?

/DMfan🇸🇪

Aha. I had a feeling it was this. Yes I agree they've done a great job so far there's a lot of potential for this app. In terms of being on an older iOS I think I always try stay out of date on purpose with older models of devices. It's the 8th gen ipad so I get nervous updating will mess with my CPU and my mobile gaming and battery. But maybe it's time though

Did you update, and if so did it solve any of your issues posted? You have a longer post with a bunch of stuff, any of those still relevant?

/DMfan🇸🇪

ipadbeatmaking

Can anyone else confirm this issue with ZenBeats and Digitalism? The presets aren’t showing in the menu for me. 12.9, M1, iPadOS 16.3

solncekreeze

@ipadbeatmaking said:

Can anyone else confirm this issue with ZenBeats and Digitalism? The presets aren’t showing in the menu for me. 12.9, M1, iPadOS 16.3

Confirm. The same thing. And yet, for example, the application simply closes when VHS Synth is launched.

ipadbeatmaking

@solncekreeze said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:

Can anyone else confirm this issue with ZenBeats and Digitalism? The presets aren’t showing in the menu for me. 12.9, M1, iPadOS 16.3

Confirm. The same thing. And yet, for example, the application simply closes when VHS Synth is launched.

Thanks for confirming. I’m also having issues with overdubbing after the loop 🔁 in the arrange mode. For example:

Does this work for you?

DMfan

@ipadbeatmaking said:

Can anyone else confirm this issue with ZenBeats and Digitalism? The presets aren’t showing in the menu for me. 12.9, M1, iPadOS 16.

Preset showing in Zenbeats is only visible if the app developer made it possible, it is not something that Zenbeats can do by itself. Some apps are written allowing this, some are not.

/DMfan🇸🇪

ipadbeatmaking

@DMfan said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:

Can anyone else confirm this issue with ZenBeats and Digitalism? The presets aren’t showing in the menu for me. 12.9, M1, iPadOS 16.

Preset showing in Zenbeats is only visible if the app developer made it possible, it is not something that Zenbeats can do by itself. Some apps are written allowing this, some are not.

/DMfan🇸🇪

True. But this one is. Works in other hosts.

DMfan

@solncekreeze said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:

Can anyone else confirm this issue with ZenBeats and Digitalism? The presets aren’t showing in the menu for me. 12.9, M1, iPadOS 16.3

Confirm. The same thing. And yet, for example, the application simply closes when VHS Synth is launched.

VHS synth works fine here. What OS version are you on?

/DMfan🇸🇪

solncekreeze

@DMfan said:

@solncekreeze said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:

Can anyone else confirm this issue with ZenBeats and Digitalism? The presets aren’t showing in the menu for me. 12.9, M1, iPadOS 16.3

Confirm. The same thing. And yet, for example, the application simply closes when VHS Synth is launched.

VHS synth works fine here. What OS version are you on?

/DMfan🇸🇪

16.3.1. By the way, it has become more crashed. And not only because of VHS. At the same time, the load on buffer or memory is normal. Before this update, ZB worked more stably.

solncekreeze

@ipadbeatmaking said:

@solncekreeze said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:

Can anyone else confirm this issue with ZenBeats and Digitalism? The presets aren’t showing in the menu for me. 12.9, M1, iPadOS 16.3

Confirm. The same thing. And yet, for example, the application simply closes when VHS Synth is launched.

Thanks for confirming. I’m also having issues with overdubbing after the loop 🔁 in the arrange mode. For example:

Does this work for you?

It works for me. By the way, another not quite convenient moment. It would be nice if you could zoom in on pianoroll with gestures. Only so that drawing is turned off by default.

DMfan

@ipadbeatmaking said:

@DMfan said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:

Can anyone else confirm this issue with ZenBeats and Digitalism? The presets aren’t showing in the menu for me. 12.9, M1, iPadOS 16.

Preset showing in Zenbeats is only visible if the app developer made it possible, it is not something that Zenbeats can do by itself. Some apps are written allowing this, some are not.

/DMfan🇸🇪

True. But this one is. Works in other hosts.

That is interesting. In what other hosts?

/DMfan🇸🇪

DMfan

@solncekreeze said
16.3.1. By the way, it has become more crashed. And not only because of VHS. At the same time, the load on buffer or memory is normal. Before this update, ZB worked more stably.

Not experiencing this (yet?). Can you give an example of what is going on when a crash happens?

/DMfan🇸🇪

solncekreeze

@DMfan said:

@solncekreeze said
16.3.1. By the way, it has become more crashed. And not only because of VHS. At the same time, the load on buffer or memory is normal. Before this update, ZB worked more stably.

Not experiencing this (yet?). Can you give an example of what is going on when a crash happens?

/DMfan🇸🇪

Simply. When changing the plugin, when opening-closing windows. There is no algorithm. And I will not say that this happens often. But it happens.

DMfan

@solncekreeze said:

@DMfan said:

@solncekreeze said
16.3.1. By the way, it has become more crashed. And not only because of VHS. At the same time, the load on buffer or memory is normal. Before this update, ZB worked more stably.

Not experiencing this (yet?). Can you give an example of what is going on when a crash happens?

/DMfan🇸🇪

Simply. When changing the plugin, when opening-closing windows. There is no algorithm. And I will not say that this happens often. But it happens.

Thank you. Will keep an eye out for this and mention it forward.

/DMfan🇸🇪

solncekreeze

@DMfan said:

@solncekreeze said:

@DMfan said:

@solncekreeze said
16.3.1. By the way, it has become more crashed. And not only because of VHS. At the same time, the load on buffer or memory is normal. Before this update, ZB worked more stably.

Not experiencing this (yet?). Can you give an example of what is going on when a crash happens?

/DMfan🇸🇪

Simply. When changing the plugin, when opening-closing windows. There is no algorithm. And I will not say that this happens often. But it happens.

Thank you. Will keep an eye out for this and mention it forward.

/DMfan🇸🇪

Thanks.

Samu

@DMfan said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:

@DMfan said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:

Can anyone else confirm this issue with ZenBeats and Digitalism? The presets aren’t showing in the menu for me. 12.9, M1, iPadOS 16.

Preset showing in Zenbeats is only visible if the app developer made it possible, it is not something that Zenbeats can do by itself. Some apps are written allowing this, some are not.

/DMfan🇸🇪

True. But this one is. Works in other hosts.

That is interesting. In what other hosts?

/DMfan🇸🇪

My guess is NanoStudio 2 which is one of few hosts that scans for presets…
I tend to use the preset-browser in the plug-is and also do my best to stay away from anything built with AudioKit to keep my system stable.

DMfan

@Samu said:
My guess is NanoStudio 2 which is one of few hosts that scans for presets…
I tend to use the preset-browser in the plug-is and also do my best to stay away from anything built with AudioKit to keep my system stable.

Yeah, same here and Audiokit stuff is at times not the most….. shall we say co-operative? Although I keep both Saga and VHS around since I think they add some unique flavor to my collection.

/DMfan🇸🇪

ipadbeatmaking

@Samu said:

@DMfan said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:

@DMfan said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:

Can anyone else confirm this issue with ZenBeats and Digitalism? The presets aren’t showing in the menu for me. 12.9, M1, iPadOS 16.

Preset showing in Zenbeats is only visible if the app developer made it possible, it is not something that Zenbeats can do by itself. Some apps are written allowing this, some are not.

/DMfan🇸🇪

True. But this one is. Works in other hosts.

That is interesting. In what other hosts?

/DMfan🇸🇪

My guess is NanoStudio 2 which is one of few hosts that scans for presets…
I tend to use the preset-browser in the plug-is and also do my best to stay away from anything built with AudioKit to keep my system stable.

Yes. NanoStudio 2, Garageband, AUM, Cubasis, and MTS. I like using the DAWs Native Preset Menu

ipadbeatmaking

@solncekreeze said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:

@solncekreeze said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:

Can anyone else confirm this issue with ZenBeats and Digitalism? The presets aren’t showing in the menu for me. 12.9, M1, iPadOS 16.3

Confirm. The same thing. And yet, for example, the application simply closes when VHS Synth is launched.

Thanks for confirming. I’m also having issues with overdubbing after the loop 🔁 in the arrange mode. For example:

Does this work for you?

It works for me. By the way, another not quite convenient moment. It would be nice if you could zoom in on pianoroll with gestures. Only so that drawing is turned off by default.

I’ve gotten others to be able to duplicate this behavior. It happens when you start the track with play (not recording) and then toggle record mid playback and then let it loop around. It doesn’t record anything after the loop point.

DMfan

@ipadbeatmaking said:

@solncekreeze said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:

@solncekreeze said:

Thanks for confirming. I’m also having issues with overdubbing after the loop 🔁 in the arrange mode. For example:

Does this work for you?

It works for me. By the way, another not quite convenient moment. It would be nice if you could zoom in on pianoroll with gestures. Only so that drawing is turned off by default.

I’ve gotten others to be able to duplicate this behavior. It happens when you start the track with play (not >recording) and then toggle record mid playback and then let it loop around. It doesn’t record anything after the >loop point.

This is great feedback @ipadbeatmaking and @solncekreeze, and should serve as an example for all of us regardless of app or issue.

Clear about what is wrong, when it happens and on top of that reproducable. This makes it a lot easier for developers to fix things.

/DMfan🇸🇪

Samu

@ipadbeatmaking said:

Yes. NanoStudio 2, Garageband, AUM, Cubasis, and MTS. I like using the DAWs Native Preset Menu

Only problem with that is that if you happen be creative and create your own presets and save it in the plug-in so it will be available for all hosts that support AUv3's it will not be available in the hosts native preset-browser which only scans 'factory presets'...

ipadbeatmaking

@Samu said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:

Yes. NanoStudio 2, Garageband, AUM, Cubasis, and MTS. I like using the DAWs Native Preset Menu

Only problem with that is that if you happen be creative and create your own presets and save it in the plug-in so it will be available for all hosts that support AUv3's it will not be available in the hosts native preset-browser which only scans 'factory presets'...

True. But I create preset profiles for the DAWs I like to work in so it creates a more seamless workflow experience. A lot of upfront work, but longterm, it leads to more productive sessions for me.

I’m glad the latest ZB update fixed the user preset saving, it’d be nice if they added (user preset) subfolder support also. That way they could be broken into categories like bass, lead, arp, etc. I don’t think any iOS daw supports that yet, but it’s pretty common on desktop. NS2 has its elite tagging which would be nice to see in ZenBeats too, for more than the packs it offers.

Samu

@ipadbeatmaking said:

True. But I create preset profiles for the DAWs I like to work in so it creates a more seamless workflow experience. A lot of upfront work, but longterm, it leads to more productive sessions for me.

True, one of the reasons I avoid 'DAW Native' preset browsing is that it drives name nuts if a preset I created is not present in the AUv3 when I load it into another host app... (Let's say I have a 'jam session' in AUM and use the AUM preset saving system, then jump over to Cubasis 3 only to realize that the preset I just created is locked inside AUM, Argggghhhhh!).

This should NOT be an issue if all AUv3's stored presets where they are supposed to be stored, but that in turn requires at least iPadOS15.x or newer and with all the 'I won't update my iPadOS' users it causes a problems when trying to implement new OS features that could benefit us all in the long run...

ipadbeatmaking

@Samu said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:

True. But I create preset profiles for the DAWs I like to work in so it creates a more seamless workflow experience. A lot of upfront work, but longterm, it leads to more productive sessions for me.

True, one of the reasons I avoid 'DAW Native' preset browsing is that it drives name nuts if a preset I created is not present in the AUv3 when I load it into another host app... (Let's say I have a 'jam session' in AUM and use the AUM preset saving system, then jump over to Cubasis 3 only to realize that the preset I just created is locked inside AUM, Argggghhhhh!).

This should NOT be an issue if all AUv3's stored presets where they are supposed to be stored, but that in turn requires at least iPadOS15.x or newer and with all the 'I won't update my iPadOS' users it causes a problems when trying to implement new OS features that could benefit us all in the long run...

So iOS has a centralized AU preset folder like macOS does where daws should be looking? I didn’t know that!

Samu

@ipadbeatmaking said:

So iOS has a centralized AU preset folder like macOS does where daws should be looking? I didn’t know that!

Yepp!!! In AUM when you save a preset you choose to save with the plug-in and the preset goes into the centralized location similar to /Library/Audio/Presets/appname on macOS. (You can not 'browse' this location on iOS/iPadOS but each AUv3 can read it's own presets from the central location).

AUv3's that do not support it spit out an error message...
(I've not gone thru all my plug-ins but the majority do NOT work with this feature which is quite sad to be honest).

This is OB-Xd in AUM when I try to save a preset in plug-in (centralized location).

And the error that pops up reminding of the feature that has been there since iOS13...

There's even a WWDC link on Apple developer site that explains in detail how AUv3 user presets work.
https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2019/509/

So yeah, like in so many other cases the 'adoption' of new iOS features takes ages...

I don't have the energy to bombard devs with 4 year old stuff missing in new apps being released.

Part of the problem may be that neither AudioKit or JUCE have support for it or maybe some devs simply don't care...

In short, the technology is there but adaption rate is like a snail-race

Cheers!

MatthewAtZenbeats

@ipadbeatmaking said:

@solncekreeze said:

@ipadbeatmaking said:

Can anyone else confirm this issue with ZenBeats and Digitalism? The presets aren’t showing in the menu for me. 12.9, M1, iPadOS 16.3

Confirm. The same thing. And yet, for example, the application simply closes when VHS Synth is launched.

Thanks for confirming. I’m also having issues with overdubbing after the loop 🔁 in the arrange mode. For example:

Does this work for you?

This is actually a design issue. With overdub enabled it will only record on an existing MIDI pattern. In the video, recording is engaged in the middle of the loop region, creating a pattern starting at the halfway point. When it loops it will not create a new pattern in front of it.

Would it be preferred if recording in a Loop Region, (with the transport loop enabled) that we create a full length pattern to overdub in?

MatthewAtZenbeats

Hey everyone. We've just launched a quick hot fix for a few recently reported issues. Thanks for the feedback as always!

Zenbeats 3.1.5 Change Log
Fixed compatibility with iPhone 14 Pro dynamic island
Added My Content to Main Menu on the Home Page
Fixed issue saving ZC1 Voice Count settings with the song
Fixed potential crash when playing back looped audio files
Fixed potential issue with project backwards compatibility
Fixed compatibility issue with certain VST3 plugins
Fixed potential feedback issue on some windows audio devices

solncekreeze

The key is stuck (so far only once in one session). And there is no way to squeeze it out. Only if you restart the tool.

Even changing the tool doesn't do anything. The key just hung up. Only restart the application.