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Zenbeats Version 3

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  • @ralis said:

    @wim said:
    Less than 12 hours remain in the $40 "All Platforms Unlock" sale. After mucho digging (wtf?? had to download and install to get pricing) I finally was able to determine that the MacOS unlock alone is $50. So that's a pretty amazing deal considering you get iOS, Android, MacOS, and Windows unlocked for less than a single desktop platform.

    I'm not greatly tempted as I have a DAW that I'm happy with on the desktop. But I was curious - does anyone know if Zenbeats on MacOS (Intel) supports AUv3 plugins, or does it only support VST and the older AU plugins?

    I did it, but man am I lost in this DAW I guess it will take some time any good noob tutorials?

    I’m curious of your thoughts after you’ve used it for a while. It’s my favorite DAW on iOS. For whatever reason it just clicked with me. I know @DMfan is a big fan as well.

  • edited June 2023

    @HotStrange said:
    I’m curious of your thoughts after you’ve used it for a while. It’s my favorite DAW on iOS. For whatever reason it just clicked with me. I know @DMfan is a big fan as well.

    Indeed I am.

    Zenbeats DAW has a TR8 style drum machine, a classic linear mode, a loop mode for beatheadz (think MPC, BM3, Ableton), sampler, internal Zencore synth although with limited controls but still very versatile for bread ‘n butter sounds and access to the Roland “sound”. What you get is basically a TR-707 functionality on your iPad, but with the benefit of DAW graphics!

    Through AUv3 you have access to a myriad of other brands of synths. This is something that is not properly lifted by Roland, many people still think it is a closed app it turns out, like Gadget for example. No, no, no. The sound options are endless.

    Full integration between different platforms both desktop and mobile.

    The integration journey between Zenbeats DAW and hardware keeps rolling.

    The developer is very active fixing things and keeps an open dialogue with us here on the forum. Top notch.

    Roland is of course not a single-person project and the risk of Zenbeats DAW becoming abandonware is very small, I would say non-existent due to their focus on digital music production.

    And, just like @HotStrange, I click with the app. Check my cover out😉 on https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/55601/ab-forum-cover-version-thread#latest, made with Zenbeats DAW and AUv3s to hear an example of what can be done.

    Give Zenbeats DAW a try. An update with many fixes is coming in the near future, stay put.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • @DMfan said:

    @HotStrange said:
    I’m curious of your thoughts after you’ve used it for a while. It’s my favorite DAW on iOS. For whatever reason it just clicked with me. I know @DMfan is a big fan as well.

    Indeed I am.

    Zenbeats DAW has a TR8 style drum machine, a classic linear mode, a loop mode for beatheadz (think MPC, BM3, Ableton), sampler, internal Zencore synth although with limited controls but still very versatile for bread ‘n butter sounds and access to the Roland “sound”. What you get is basically a TR-707 functionality on your iPad, but with the benefit of DAW graphics!

    Through AUv3 you have access to a myriad of other brands of synths. This is something that is not properly lifted by Roland, many people still think it is a closed app it turns out, like Gadget for example. No, no, no. The sound options are endless.

    Full integration between different platforms both desktop and mobile.

    The integration journey between Zenbeats DAW and hardware keeps rolling.

    The developer is very active fixing things and keeps an open dialogue with us here on the forum. Top notch.

    Roland is of course not a single-person project and the risk of Zenbeats DAW becoming abandonware is very small, I would say non-existent due to their focus on digital music production.

    And, just like @HotStrange, I click with the app. Check my cover out😉 on https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/55601/ab-forum-cover-version-thread#latest, made with Zenbeats DAW and AUv3s to hear an example of what can be done.

    Give Zenbeats DAW a try. An update with many fixes is coming in the near future, stay put.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

    All very great points! The Zencore engine is really great so having it on iOS is nice. I’ve read a few comments with people thinking it’s s closed ecosystem like Gadget. I guess because Roland is in the name. But honestly (to me) it was the most fully featured DAW on iOS until Logic came out. If you discount the abandonware that is Auria. Cubasis 3 is right along there with it but I like Zenbeats just a bit more.

  • @HotStrange said:

    @ralis said:

    @wim said:
    Less than 12 hours remain in the $40 "All Platforms Unlock" sale. After mucho digging (wtf?? had to download and install to get pricing) I finally was able to determine that the MacOS unlock alone is $50. So that's a pretty amazing deal considering you get iOS, Android, MacOS, and Windows unlocked for less than a single desktop platform.

    I'm not greatly tempted as I have a DAW that I'm happy with on the desktop. But I was curious - does anyone know if Zenbeats on MacOS (Intel) supports AUv3 plugins, or does it only support VST and the older AU plugins?

    I did it, but man am I lost in this DAW I guess it will take some time any good noob tutorials?

    I’m curious of your thoughts after you’ve used it for a while. It’s my favorite DAW on iOS. For whatever reason it just clicked with me. I know @DMfan is a big fan as well.

    I love Zenbeats. It’s a great combination of a DAW and Groovebox. I can say little about the DAW side as I am mainly using it as groovebox. The synth engines sound great - even on my old Galaxy Tab S2 Android tablet. And I find the colourful UI is clean and cheerful. A big plus is the multi platform support: I can save projects on iOS to GoogleDrive and the same project is then available on the Android tablet. A good pricing model ( free / one time pay / subscription ) that addresses different needs.
    Having said that, there are areas that I think need improving:
    My main wish is for the Android version getting Ableton Link support. And Zenbeats could do better when it comes to synchronizing with MIDI: The software only sends MIDI clock when the transport is running - one of my standard complaints 😏. And step recording for the sequencers would be a plus for musicians like myself who are not great fans of pianorolls.

  • edited June 2023

    @catherder said:
    Having said that, there are areas that I think need improving:
    My main wish is for the Android version getting Ableton Link support. And Zenbeats could do better when it comes to synchronizing with MIDI: The software only sends MIDI clock when the transport is running - one of my standard complaints 😏. And step recording for the sequencers would be a plus for musicians like myself who are not great fans of pianorolls.

    Feedback passed on directly to the developer👍. When it comes to step recording, did you try the loop mode? That is what I use mostly, it’s a breeze. You must have if you use it as a groove box?😁

    From there you can record smaller parts or even single notes, edit them, then play them as a whole song, or export them to the piano roll for volume automations, intros, fades and stuff?

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • @catherder said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @ralis said:

    @wim said:
    Less than 12 hours remain in the $40 "All Platforms Unlock" sale. After mucho digging (wtf?? had to download and install to get pricing) I finally was able to determine that the MacOS unlock alone is $50. So that's a pretty amazing deal considering you get iOS, Android, MacOS, and Windows unlocked for less than a single desktop platform.

    I'm not greatly tempted as I have a DAW that I'm happy with on the desktop. But I was curious - does anyone know if Zenbeats on MacOS (Intel) supports AUv3 plugins, or does it only support VST and the older AU plugins?

    I did it, but man am I lost in this DAW I guess it will take some time any good noob tutorials?

    I’m curious of your thoughts after you’ve used it for a while. It’s my favorite DAW on iOS. For whatever reason it just clicked with me. I know @DMfan is a big fan as well.

    I love Zenbeats. It’s a great combination of a DAW and Groovebox. I can say little about the DAW side as I am mainly using it as groovebox. The synth engines sound great - even on my old Galaxy Tab S2 Android tablet. And I find the colourful UI is clean and cheerful. A big plus is the multi platform support: I can save projects on iOS to GoogleDrive and the same project is then available on the Android tablet. A good pricing model ( free / one time pay / subscription ) that addresses different needs.
    Having said that, there are areas that I think need improving:
    My main wish is for the Android version getting Ableton Link support. And Zenbeats could do better when it comes to synchronizing with MIDI: The software only sends MIDI clock when the transport is running - one of my standard complaints 😏. And step recording for the sequencers would be a plus for musicians like myself who are not great fans of pianorolls.

    @DMfan already answered but yes using in loop mood is perfect for the kind of sequencing you’re wanting. I use it to make a bunch of weird avant-garde noises and it’s all perfectly in sync and I can then trigger those loops as clips. Tons of fun!

  • edited June 2023

    Just tried Beepstreet’s Combustor AUv3 effect on ZC1 and… man, it turns the somewhat calm and retro sounding ZC1 into a completely different beast. Totally crazy with the push of a button! Highly recommended IMHO!

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • @DMfan said:
    Just tried Beepstreet’s Combustor AUv3 effect on ZC1 and… man, it turns the somewhat calm and retro sounding ZC1 into a completely different beast. Totally crazy with the push of a button! Highly recommended IMHO!

    /DMfan🇸🇪

    Was messing around with something in Zenbeats earlier and didn’t even think to use Combuster in there. I’ll have to try it.

  • @HotStrange said:

    @DMfan said:
    Just tried Beepstreet’s Combustor AUv3 effect on ZC1 and… man, it turns the somewhat calm and retro sounding ZC1 into a completely different beast. Totally crazy with the push of a button! Highly recommended IMHO!

    /DMfan🇸🇪

    Was messing around with something in Zenbeats earlier and didn’t even think to use Combuster in there. I’ll have to try it.

    Please do! I had a blast!

    😎

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • You are right about automation recording @wim . So far nothing has had such immediate, accurate and easy response to my MIDI controller.

    It seems you can’t do it the “NS2/BM3 macro” way so you can have multiple instruments mapped at the same time but that’s not very important; just use as needed per track and instrument

    I can see why people like this DAW too, it has linear and loop modes, good hardware integration, and the stock drums and synth aren’t bad at all , although I’m bringing mine with me anyway

    the summer sale is almost 50% off everything, including the iOS unlock for $7.99.( Why did some people suggest this should be on v4?)

    If they get multi core support, this could become #1 DAW, and it looks like they are actively listening so I hope they do

    Btw, is there a CPU meter?

  • @fearandloathing said:
    Btw, is there a CPU meter?

    yes , but for some reason , since many months ago , it's not shown on default GUI 100% scaling setting

  • @Korakios said:

    @fearandloathing said:
    Btw, is there a CPU meter?

    yes , but for some reason , since many months ago , it's not shown on default GUI 100% scaling setting

    You’re right ; 90% and it appeared.

    And to be fair to wim when he first answer the other thread , I meant I hope they do multi-thread support !

    It’s actually a very clean UI, very intuitive, I’m surprised it didn’t get more attention as a complete DAW

  • I just bought zenbeats in the hopes I could use loopback from the kq voice plugin bundle with it, to record stuff from audiobus and drambo standalone into the clip based workflow.

    The receiving plugin from loopback can be loaded in an instrument track, and the audio does appear. Is it possible, to route the output of the instrument track into an audio track, so I can record it? Freezing doesn't work, as there is no midi triggering the sound...

    If not, does anybody have another idea, how to make it work?

  • @tyslothrop1 said:
    I just bought zenbeats in the hopes I could use loopback from the kq voice plugin bundle with it, to record stuff from audiobus and drambo standalone into the clip based workflow.

    The receiving plugin from loopback can be loaded in an instrument track, and the audio does appear. Is it possible, to route the output of the instrument track into an audio track, so I can record it? Freezing doesn't work, as there is no midi triggering the sound...

    If not, does anybody have another idea, how to make it work?

    this doesn’t work… ZB can record audio just from physical (hw) audio input…

  • @dendy said:

    @tyslothrop1 said:
    I just bought zenbeats in the hopes I could use loopback from the kq voice plugin bundle with it, to record stuff from audiobus and drambo standalone into the clip based workflow.

    The receiving plugin from loopback can be loaded in an instrument track, and the audio does appear. Is it possible, to route the output of the instrument track into an audio track, so I can record it? Freezing doesn't work, as there is no midi triggering the sound...

    If not, does anybody have another idea, how to make it work?

    this doesn’t work… ZB can record audio just from physical (hw) audio input…

    Thanks for the reply, what a pity. Can zenbeats record post FX, like a guitar through an amp and the amp is baked into the recording? (Maybe the dev could be asked to add an FX-version of the receiver).

  • @tyslothrop1 said:

    @dendy said:

    @tyslothrop1 said:
    I just bought zenbeats in the hopes I could use loopback from the kq voice plugin bundle with it, to record stuff from audiobus and drambo standalone into the clip based workflow.

    The receiving plugin from loopback can be loaded in an instrument track, and the audio does appear. Is it possible, to route the output of the instrument track into an audio track, so I can record it? Freezing doesn't work, as there is no midi triggering the sound...

    If not, does anybody have another idea, how to make it work?

    this doesn’t work… ZB can record audio just from physical (hw) audio input…

    Thanks for the reply, what a pity. Can zenbeats record post FX, like a guitar through an amp and the amp is baked into the recording? (Maybe the dev could be asked to add an FX-version of the receiver).

    I don’t know if an FX version of the receiver would work for your purpose.
    There’s FX-slot recorders that you can use, for example here’s Neon on a ZB track, recording the output…

    In theory if you added the Neon instance after the instrument receiver you’d be able to record the audio. BUT there’s no drag & drop in ZB, or copy/paste from clipboard so you’d have to export and import back in, or whatever… so I guess there’s no added advance over just recording without leaving audiobus or Drambo and then exporting… It’s these “little things” that I find very frustrating. You find a workaround only to find something else along the way that makes that workaround fail further down the line.

  • edited June 2023

    not sure if is everybody aware how amazing thing is this.. for me by far best ZB feature ..

  • @dendy said:
    not sure if is everybody aware how amazing thing is this.. for me by far best ZB feature ..

    Yes!. The Mix feature, specially. Not only for plugins that don’t have a wet/dry but also to automate.

  • @dendy said:
    not sure if is everybody aware how amazing thing is this.. for me by far best ZB feature ..

    I’m a new owner so forgive me asking but what is that feature your showing

  • edited June 2023

    @fearandloathing said:

    @dendy said:
    not sure if is everybody aware how amazing thing is this.. for me by far best ZB feature ..

    I’m a new owner so forgive me asking but what is that feature your showing

    yo can set gain before fx and after fx indepenently (very handy sound design tool for FX which change volume like ovedrive/distortion/compressors/filtees) anyou can (with “mix” knob) mix together signal processed through FX with unprocessed one

    both per every single insert FX !

    very powerful

  • edited June 2023

    Oh wow, that is a very powerful feature. I think that makes it a good candidate for an all in one DAW for mastering even(without sending to Cubasis)

    (By the way the stock effects are GREAT
    Idk how I never heard about it until now!)

    Zenbeats is really slept on

  • edited June 2023

    (Sorry double posting)

  • edited June 2023

    @fearandloathing said:
    @fearandloathing said:
    Oh wow, that is a very powerful feature. I think that makes it a good candidate for an all in one DAW for mastering even(without sending to Cubasis)

    (By the way the stock effects are GREAT
    Idk how I never heard about it until now!)

    Zenbeats is really slept on

    it’s been long time since i checked ZB (definitely years), after recent Logic fiasco indecided to give it chance again - and i have to admin i’m impressed where they moved it .. not perfect, but in overall really powerful daw .. might try to finish full track innit to see if my old brain adopts 🤣

    also absolutely love how deep is drum track, especially things like probabilities and so on .. almost reminds me Digitakt ..

  • ”silently nodding as the buzz around Zenbeats DAW slowly grows”

    Ladies and gentlemen, I have not been lying. Zenbeats is a very powerful DAW.

    Try it.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

  • @dendy said:

    @fearandloathing said:
    @fearandloathing said:
    Oh wow, that is a very powerful feature. I think that makes it a good candidate for an all in one DAW for mastering even(without sending to Cubasis)

    (By the way the stock effects are GREAT
    Idk how I never heard about it until now!)

    Zenbeats is really slept on

    it’s been long time since i checked ZB (definitely years), after recent Logic fiasco indecided to give it chance again - and i have to admin i’m impressed where they moved it .. not perfect, but in overall really powerful daw .. might try to finish full track innit to see if my old brain adopts 🤣

    also absolutely love how deep is drum track, especially things like probabilities and so on .. almost reminds me Digitakt ..

    I don’t know what your expectations were with Logic. Im not terribly disappointed because it’s more or less what I expected, and I wasn’t expecting a 1-2-1 port or what you’d call “pro”.
    I love ZB, it was/is the most complete DAW on iOS. Now with Logic I feel like I’m cheating on good faithful ZB. But the fact is ZB is not that far from Logic and I’m sure with a lot less resources. Updates have been good and consistent, but I wish they were a tad quicker in more “structural” stuff like:

    More flexible routing in both audio and midi. Aux tracks, set audio track src to another track or bus.
    Copy and paste from clipboard, drag and drop and getting past the “sandbox” stuff that makes you duplicate samples.

    Some random stuff were ZB is still unrivaled:
    The FX pre/post and mix is such a handy and useful feature.
    Previewing audio loops at the project tempo… it’s and overlooked feature that I can’t live without. Logic has preview but only for their sample packs, and not in such a transparent and context aware way as ZB.
    Preset system in ZB is a lot better than Logic’s.

  • edited June 2023

    @tahiche said:

    @dendy said:

    @fearandloathing said:
    @fearandloathing said:
    Oh wow, that is a very powerful feature. I think that makes it a good candidate for an all in one DAW for mastering even(without sending to Cubasis)

    (By the way the stock effects are GREAT
    Idk how I never heard about it until now!)

    Zenbeats is really slept on

    it’s been long time since i checked ZB (definitely years), after recent Logic fiasco indecided to give it chance again - and i have to admin i’m impressed where they moved it .. not perfect, but in overall really powerful daw .. might try to finish full track innit to see if my old brain adopts 🤣

    also absolutely love how deep is drum track, especially things like probabilities and so on .. almost reminds me Digitakt ..

    I don’t know what your expectations were with Logic. Im not terribly disappointed because it’s more or less what I expected, and I wasn’t expecting a 1-2-1 port or what you’d call “pro”.
    I love ZB, it was/is the most complete DAW on iOS. Now with Logic I feel like I’m cheating on good faithful ZB. But the fact is ZB is not that far from Logic and I’m sure with a lot less resources. Updates have been good and consistent, but I wish they were a tad quicker in more “structural” stuff like:

    More flexible routing in both audio and midi. Aux tracks, set audio track src to another track or bus.
    Copy and paste from clipboard, drag and drop and getting past the “sandbox” stuff that makes you duplicate samples.

    Some random stuff were ZB is still unrivaled:
    The FX pre/post and mix is such a handy and useful feature.
    Previewing audio loops at the project tempo… it’s and overlooked feature that I can’t live without. Logic has preview but only for their sample packs, and not in such a transparent and context aware way as ZB.
    Preset system in ZB is a lot better than Logic’s.

    This is very similar to what I thought. I’m glad it made me find this at least, because CB3 just isn’t made well for midi learn, whcih is too bad it’s the one thing missing for me and it’s a big missing feature

    Zenbeats is well put together, it’s really basic UI is a strength, good and thorough menus, and still the best out of the box hardware integration I’ve yet to see on iOS , nothing responds to hardware like this has to mein experience

    I don’t know what some of the menu stuff means and the manual I found is for the desktop version but for example what is “touch mode”, what does “enable animations “ show ?

  • @tahiche said:

    @tyslothrop1 said:

    @dendy said:

    @tyslothrop1 said:
    I just bought zenbeats in the hopes I could use loopback from the kq voice plugin bundle with it, to record stuff from audiobus and drambo standalone into the clip based workflow.

    The receiving plugin from loopback can be loaded in an instrument track, and the audio does appear. Is it possible, to route the output of the instrument track into an audio track, so I can record it? Freezing doesn't work, as there is no midi triggering the sound...

    If not, does anybody have another idea, how to make it work?

    this doesn’t work… ZB can record audio just from physical (hw) audio input…

    Thanks for the reply, what a pity. Can zenbeats record post FX, like a guitar through an amp and the amp is baked into the recording? (Maybe the dev could be asked to add an FX-version of the receiver).

    I don’t know if an FX version of the receiver would work for your purpose.
    There’s FX-slot recorders that you can use, for example here’s Neon on a ZB track, recording the output…

    In theory if you added the Neon instance after the instrument receiver you’d be able to record the audio. BUT there’s no drag & drop in ZB, or copy/paste from clipboard so you’d have to export and import back in, or whatever… so I guess there’s no added advance over just recording without leaving audiobus or Drambo and then exporting… It’s these “little things” that I find very frustrating. You find a workaround only to find something else along the way that makes that workaround fail further down the line.

    Thanks, yes putting an additional recorder in would be too much of a hassle. A bit more flexibility routingwise would be nice.

    But even if I can't use ZB the way I intended, there's a lot I like about it. An optional clip based workflow with audio and midi, being able to freeze tracks and the included MPE controller are my favourites so far.

    Although the MPE could be improved. Weirdly it doesn't work right away, but just after I invertbthe pads in the menu, afterwards I can invert back and it works fine. I would like to be able to switch, what happens on the X axis, when I use the pads, pressure would be nice.

  • edited June 2023

    @tahiche said:

    @dendy said:

    @fearandloathing said:
    @fearandloathing said:
    Oh wow, that is a very powerful feature. I think that makes it a good candidate for an all in one DAW for mastering even(without sending to Cubasis)

    (By the way the stock effects are GREAT
    Idk how I never heard about it until now!)

    Zenbeats is really slept on

    it’s been long time since i checked ZB (definitely years), after recent Logic fiasco indecided to give it chance again - and i have to admin i’m impressed where they moved it .. not perfect, but in overall really powerful daw .. might try to finish full track innit to see if my old brain adopts 🤣

    also absolutely love how deep is drum track, especially things like probabilities and so on .. almost reminds me Digitakt ..

    I don’t know what your expectations were with Logic.

    I had no expectations - i have any problem with feature set, i am missing nothing from this point of view, it's prefect. But I have massive criticism to UI - it's so bad that for me it's basically unusable, huge pain and frustation to work with it, so that's source of my disappointment (i really like logic on desktop).. wrote 3 main points here : https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254939773

  • @DMfan said:
    ”silently nodding as the buzz around Zenbeats DAW slowly grows”

    Ladies and gentlemen, I have not been lying. Zenbeats is a very powerful DAW.

    Try it.

    /DMfan🇸🇪

    Haha it’s a fantastic DAW. I’ve been spending time in Logic lately and I do like it, but I move around so much more quickly in ZB. Feels more like home haha.

  • @tahiche said:

    @dendy said:

    @fearandloathing said:
    @fearandloathing said:
    Oh wow, that is a very powerful feature. I think that makes it a good candidate for an all in one DAW for mastering even(without sending to Cubasis)

    (By the way the stock effects are GREAT
    Idk how I never heard about it until now!)

    Zenbeats is really slept on

    it’s been long time since i checked ZB (definitely years), after recent Logic fiasco indecided to give it chance again - and i have to admin i’m impressed where they moved it .. not perfect, but in overall really powerful daw .. might try to finish full track innit to see if my old brain adopts 🤣

    also absolutely love how deep is drum track, especially things like probabilities and so on .. almost reminds me Digitakt ..

    I don’t know what your expectations were with Logic. Im not terribly disappointed because it’s more or less what I expected, and I wasn’t expecting a 1-2-1 port or what you’d call “pro”.
    I love ZB, it was/is the most complete DAW on iOS. Now with Logic I feel like I’m cheating on good faithful ZB. But the fact is ZB is not that far from Logic and I’m sure with a lot less resources. Updates have been good and consistent, but I wish they were a tad quicker in more “structural” stuff like:

    More flexible routing in both audio and midi. Aux tracks, set audio track src to another track or bus.
    Copy and paste from clipboard, drag and drop and getting past the “sandbox” stuff that makes you duplicate samples.

    Some random stuff were ZB is still unrivaled:
    The FX pre/post and mix is such a handy and useful feature.
    Previewing audio loops at the project tempo… it’s and overlooked feature that I can’t live without. Logic has preview but only for their sample packs, and not in such a transparent and context aware way as ZB.
    Preset system in ZB is a lot better than Logic’s.

    The pre/post fx settings is so useful. Wish every DAW had this.

    I agree though. ZB has quietly been becoming the best DAW on iOS up until Logic dropped in. Even now, I tend to move and work a lot more quickly in ZB and it still feels more like home overall. Time will tell but I just can’t see myself completely abandoning Zenbeats right now.

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