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That also sounds like a very good idea…
I have no idea how you ever have the patience to pan for the nuggets of gold in mountains of archive material as per your seaside thing, and as for Adam Curtis’ stuff- that’s boss level archive research, video and audio editing. I’d love to interview him about his workflow…
You might save yourself some effort, btw, if we are going for just one movie selected by popular vote, by waiting till then to do viewing…
That is a hella list of movies to check out
@Kewe_Esse - well, I don’t think it is necessary to watch all of the movies start to finish at this stage to play!
As I imagine it, a quick scrub through the web player just gives you the feel, I’m just putting these out there as starters for 10 for people to take a look at, or add their own alternative suggestions to. We can even consider ‘talkies’, If they are pd, and look interesting enough even without hearing dialogue, because we’ll have to make them into silent movies for this to work…
It’s more about getting a quick take on what are the visual interest and rhythms of the movie… lots of characters talking to each other, not so interesting, lots of weirdness and anguished close ups and expressionist angles and what not… mebbe yes.
The only time a little more attention will be required will be at vote time - ‘’could I be interested in working on this one?”; and the only time detailed attention might be required is if you stay the course and have a specific 5 or 10 minute bit of the run time to soundtrack, and then you are only working closely with that small piece. The challenge then will be to bring something to a scene which might not be the most visually striking part of the whole thing…
KTL, The US band who did a Dark Ambient soundtrack to one pd version of The Phantom Carriage shows what is possible, I think…
As far as I understand it, they through-played the whole movie, and issued a ‘KTL Edition’ cut on Tartan DVD. But the original movie without their soundtrack is still Public Domain, and available (with a period-appropriate classical score added, which we’d have to remove if this one got selected.)
(Btw - I had no idea anyone else had done a thing like this before until this morning, when I found the KTL ‘cut’ of this movie. And it’s Dark Ambient! I call that a sign…
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And remember, ‘B roll’ audio/fx/soundscape is optional, can run to any length, and be as free as you like, as it is only there as a ‘filler’ resource for whoever wants to mix this thing, if they need/want/like it - and might not even get used! (though everyone’s ‘A roll’ will.)
I've started a basic spreadsheet here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qLNPFn4dcA291lXT4wK77wHwbu57ipeOR0WbPywkUoA/edit?usp=sharing
feel free to add your username - I might do another page with the movies so that we can do a vote (maybe just add a 1 for any film that you're up for and we total that up to see which wins?)
I really like the other Robert Wiene film, Genuine: A Tale of a Vampire. - it's relatively short, at least this cut is, and as visually striking as Caligari...
Probably makes sense to upload to an existing channel that already has traction - I'd be totally fine uploading to mine
@Krupa : I’m with you on Genuine, because of its’ obscurity, brevity, and imagery. Virgin territory for the exercise, as it were… Much as I think Vampyr (along with Caligari and Nosferatu) is the better movie, one you could actually watch as-is unironically today, for the effect of it, much as you might watch un chien andalou, Vampyr is better known, and there is a cut which is copyrighted, which might muddy the waters, so, yeah, I’m in for Genuine. Yes, the spreadsheet +1 vote system is cool.
@Gavinski : very gracious - not to say brave - of you. So: no pressure for contributors then, but Gav’s rep is on the line…. Sounds like a plan!
Will take a look. Might be a bit short considering there will likely be 10+ people involved?
https://publicdomainmovie.net/movie/dr-jekyll-and-mr-hyde-1920-director-john-s-robertson. 77 minutes
9 on the list so far, two of those wanting a 5 minute limit... lets see how it settles out... I wonder if there exists a slightly longer cut...
@Svetlovska Vampyr is much more a proper film for sure, and the imagery at either end is striking, but the middle's a bit baggy / melodrama looking, might be some bits that are less fun than others, maybe not though...
I can do 3 minutes minimum. 🙂
Do you think Genuine is good the whole way through?
@Svetlovska
I would love to partake but I've a few projects
I've got to finish and I need to remain focused
however I am enjoying how the thread is developing.
I may chime in once in awhile.
I think I’m happier with a shorter section too
I think it’s got more visual interest all the way through, I’ve only frame skipped each of them so far though, and I’m cooking second breakfast while downloading that Jekyll and Hyde one
What a nice proposition! I’m in for composing but also I can help with mixing and mastering too, I’ve been doing postproduction/mix/master for TV and film for more than 15 years.
@Synthi : Aha! Excellent! You’re hired
And maybe you might want to think about what we can all do to help make your job easier when we make submissions? (Formats, accompanying info and whatnot)?
And perhaps you and @Krupa should talk, too…
Things are looking up
After all. Every one needs a Synthi:
😁 ok! I’ll post some info about audio submission once we have a movie! Will try to make it easy for all, I can convert submisions to final format and sample rate too.
ah! And every picnic need a synthi too 😎
Y’all pick the movie // I’ll bring the Kaøs
Nice this is all coming together beautifully
Right imma watch Genuine, at least.
Genuine is… very difficult to summarise.
A) no vamps
B ) dream logic, at best, connecting scenes
C) of it’s time, with reference to slave trading in languge and imagery
Caligari is great, but done to death by others. Giving Wolf Blood a look…
Yeah I’d say save Caligari until we’ve done a few others maybe. Wolf Blood looks good, maybe a different energy than the dark ambient, though it did remind me of some of the creepier scenes from Twin peaks the return…
Sooo… Wolf Blood… I’m really not sure it can be categorised in any sense as a horror movie.
Sort of slice-of-life frontier type romance movie? With the slightest hint of dark superstition, just to move the story a bit.
Really not horror. I’ll continue watching these later…
Can someone put me down for vampyr please? Can’t add to the spreadsheet thing in my phone Thanks
I watched about half of Genuine and found it OK but definitely didn't grab me the way the start of Vampyre did. I have yet to watch any of these fully. As far as I'm concerned, the creepy and atmospheric factor trumps obscurity in terms of finding the most suitable material
BOO-YAH!! Look forward to hearing this. Maybe some of our excellent videographers can mangle sections of the film?
That could get pretty trippy
Well, creative visual editing could help step even further away from any potential copyright issues, and lose the boring bits all these movies have for modern audiences…
Perhaps we should just offer it as an option to each participant once they have been allocated their ‘slot’ in the run time?
I certainly don’t mind taking a crack at a vid remix for whichever section of the chosen film I get. A different visual take every five minutes or so would certainly make the finished collage piece pretty wild… and if someone didn’t want to do a vid, they could offer out their ‘slice’ to someone else for visual treatment only, and just do the soundscape, or, of course, just leave the visuals as is along with their soundtrack.
We could even all agree to apply a single ‘finishing’ filter over our visual edits selected from the ones available in iMovie (a one click job), so the visual tonal jumps are not so jarring… All things are possible…
fwiw btw, I think I have found the best PD source for Vampyr which still stands out to me as the most visually interesting movie for modern eyes, and most suitable for a (dark) ambient treatment, in that it is definitely PD, is the unenhanced pre 1998 version, not the Criterion Collection restored version, and has English intertitle translation,: https://archive.org/details/Vampyrsilent
I watched a film critic review it, and she made the very valid point that Vampyr was unusual for movies of the day in its’s use, famously, of the point of view shots, of course, but also, because the camera itself is rarely still, it prowls, follows our character, leads him… she said compare the set ups to Dracula, released around the same time, and see how stagey and static it is by comparison. This, subconsciously, gives it the grammar of a more contemporary piece, I think… and a kind of dream-logic vibe, which I suspect will work well with amorphous ambient sounds (yes, I’m biased
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