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Yeah without some kind of continuity it could be an unholy mess, and not in a good way lol. Most of us are able to work quite quickly in the soundscape / ambient / experimental genre so we can always just throw a bunch of stuff on the table and see what people like.
For sure many ppl will want to do atonal stuff or stuff mixing between scales. So yeah if anyone knows how to make a discord, that's probably the perfect environment for doing a collaborative project involving video / audio files, where people can comment on stuff and react to comments, in a private group, unless anyone knows any other better and yet also free alternatives
WhatsApp groups are also good, I’ve just done a nine month project with pretty much everything done in that, Dropbox and gravity sketch, bit of GitHub for the coders…
Hmm yeah maybe what I was thinking about was more refrains and callbacks or whatever!? Or maybe as long as we have silence between tracks it will be ok and like a compilation and we can all go wild?
I think this is why my instinct was to look for a film that wasn’t so cohesive, especially for our first outing… I’m sure it’ll be great whatever comes out anyway 😁
One - maybe clunky - solution is that whoever has the first portion make their piece first, and others follow one by one. It is likely to be the approach that creates the best overall result. Or not? What do people think? 🤔
Nice idea, like that drawing game where you fold the paper and pass it around adding bits to a character. It might not work that well with the amount of contributors we have though, and would pressure people into producing something quickly when they might not want to work like that…
Sounds like a cool project, an AB take of Vampyr would be great!
A favourite album (post metal from Bordeaux), highly recommended. I just jammed to this again on a long flight, playing bass on model 15 and monolit, was fun. They played this live with the projection, really wish I had seen it, one of the best post metal bands out there.
https://yearofnolight.bandcamp.com/album/vampyr
This really does sound like an exciting project. As someone who has used public domain footage to make videos for my music I'm really looking forward to hearing what all of our Ambient masters can come up with.
I'm following this with interest. I have a suggestion that probably won’t be popular, but here goes..
I think the greatest chance of success will be had if a small group, 2-4, select from contributed music for the score. I realize it might be more exciting for each contributor to compose for a specific section, but then there is no overall directorial eye/ear to create flow and cohesion. Otherwise, IMHO, it will be more like a variety show as opposed to a complete work.
The type of creativity a small group could bring to the project, if given no limitations, could go way beyond what each individual might do (at it's worst the variety show approach could be like a round of Mad-Libsj.
If the scoring group could use all contributed work as creative material, the possibilities of themes, leitmotifs, mangling/slicing, and even sound effects all come into play.
I, for one, would have absolutely no objection to this method or how my contribution might be used. If it's just meant as a showcase for individual creators, so be it, but it will never (again, IMHO) be as good as if there is/are “director(s)” with a shared and developed vision. If 2 to 4 work on it we can be assured of a thoughtful and well debated result.
We creators still play our part, and maybe there is even more freedom to create music that is not tied to specific visuals. @echoopera just posted a track in which he talks about the value of serendipity. Since almost none of us are film scorers I believe each contributor coming up with a gorgeous piece of horror (where are you @barabajagal?j would provide the director(s) with ample material to cut and paste to each clips best advantage. Also, it could be already created horror from contributors portfolios. Send your best!
I am not interested in such a job, but I have some small experience in putting music to visuals. I was always amazed and surprised at the unexpected serendipities that showed up simply by trying different combinations of sound and film.
Well, that’s how I would do it, but I’m not in charge. Whatever you guys say, goes. I just wanted to posit an alternative while it's all still formative. Thx for listening.
Definitely great points, there’s a bit of back room discussion going on as to how to deal with that; I’d advocated a simpler, less cohesive film mostly because I presumed it would be a somewhat variety show outcome, so something less meaty and more just visually interesting would work more easily that way, plus we wouldn’t be destroying a masterpiece 😅
I’m not sure how most contributors would feel with the directorial approach being taken from the outset - I’ve suggested thinking about a hybrid approach, maybe some light touch thoughts about sections at most, but then taking master track submissions with attached sync picture, alongside some stems of those track so that post production it can be woven together more cohesively.
This however makes the whole project much more intense in terms of production time, and while i might be free (emphasis might) more in October, im staring down the barrel of six weeks tour visual work this week that I’m negotiating right now, followed by a mixed period, possibly holiday, possibly work, probably both
before maybe back to normal service and valve fiddling in October…though ive got a feeling there’ll be another tour bus ticket waiting for me by then…
I like @LinearLineman's suggestion and agree that the idea of each person being given a 'bit' to work on will probably not have great results at all. With a movie like this it mostly doesn't need any kind of score that reacts to what is happening on screen. Anything moody and ambient, with occasional moments of lightness maybe, especially for the last scene, will work. So far more important is quality control and keeping the overall flow going
I’m good with it being a curated approach, I’m still doing a timeline sketch though… it’ll concrete the discussion points somewhat but there is
So
Much
Detail
…I’m sure it won’t be the definitive version
I have had some thoughts about the tension between everyone having the freedom to do their own thing, and the necessity for the final work to have artistic coherence. I think there is a balance which can be achieved between these two imperatives.
I think if we all work to the same time coded master copy of the movie, we open the possibility of having one or two subtle elements of not-directly-musical soundscape act as a bed and top line, running across the whole movie , which can be foregrounded or dropped back or out as required, against which individual sections, using the time code as reference, can then be set. I’ll go into more about this if and when we get that far…
@Kewe_Esse : a timeline sketch? Sounds useful! What is it?
Just watching the movie, noting down what happens where and to who, wrt to the hh:mm:ss
Just to get a handle on the action as a whole, to create reference points.
It’s just a sketch cos that camera moves a lot, and the action flows constantly throughout.
Cool, I got the end
The camera work in that movie is awesome. It's really a masterpiece.
Regarding the dialogues, are we gonna keep it in? Because one of my first ideas was to take the part I was assigned 35:00 - 40:00 and sample the dialogues and mangle them somehow into the track
@senhorlampada : there is relatively little dialogue if I recall correctly, but your section is your thing - if it works for you, use it
I’m just not assuming much dialogue will be in the final version.
Do I need to include the audio track in the export? I’ve done one without so far, still not figured out the best way to distribute it to the merry band we’ve gathered 😁
I would personally avoid any audio from the original. What do others think?
Could I suggest that we consider the default to be wholly silent, as per the time coded version that @Krupa will provide, and if anyone wants to use audio from the original, they take that separately from one of the publically available sources eg
https://archive.org/details/Vampyrsilent
And still use @Krupa’s version as their reference?
There is, just after 0.00.00, a lovely bit of crackle. I will reuctantly leave it if we make the decision not to use any original audio. But just listen to it!
Agreed.
Cool, it’s sitting in my iCloud right now, I think I’ll need email addresses to share the folder, or am I mistaken there?
@Krupa You mentioned Dropbox before, which can give you a share link that you can post without needing email addresses.
Yeah, we just weren’t sure that everyone would be cool with Dropbox, whereas if you’re here, you’re pretty sure gonna have iCloud… I’m way happier with Dropbox myself as it’s just that bit more immediate, but we’d need to know that everyone can access it…
Actually, I think I can just share a link to the file for download, we can think about a delivery folder later...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sw2jbsijvzi1meq/VampyrSIlentTimecoded.mp4?dl=0
It will be uploading for a while, probably no longer than a few minutes, I'm off for a brew and some telly anyway
Cool, downloaded
Nice one, good to know it’s there and accessible cheers Kewe