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Just thought I would wish you all good luck with this (ad)venture. It’s a great example of how cooperative the forum is and I’m looking forward to listening (and watching) the end result 👍🎶🎞🧟♂️
I’m wondering how these five minute sections will work when they are arbitrary and don’t line up to scene changes in the film? Wouldn’t it be better to parse the film in approximations of five minutes and delineate particular points when new music might begin and end according to scene changes in the film?
That’s assuming, of course, that each creator’s section proceeds one after another as in a showcase of talent.
@LinearLineman : that’s exactly what I am suggesting: everyone’s five minutes sets their initial frame, but you all have the liberty to begin it earlier/finisher it later (within a minute or so) to start and end on a change of camera angle, scene cut, or whatever. Because of the limitations of the cameras then in use, I don’t think you’ll find many scenes which run unbroken for longer than about five minutes anyway.
If everyone builds in an additional one or two minutes of fat, (slow fade ins and outs, for example) it can be trimmed back to the lean as needs be. This is also why I am suggesting people also optionally provide ‘B Roll’ material, and, if they feel like it, an alternate version that just runs to a cut they want to track, regardless of how long or short. That way, the ‘producer’ will have options…
If it was left purely to individual choice, everyone would pile onto the startling coffin scenes and no one would do any of the boring bits… also, I have hit you up as potential master motif maker in another post…
I experimented today with my five minutes. Not the most haunting images in the beginning, but it leads up to the cat being put into the coffin. So there was a build. I used my Dr. Jekyl track, which is ten minutes long, so there were two simple possibilities. The first five minutes or the last. Both sections had some good serendipities, but the last five minutes worked better. Honestly, if I sat down and played while watching the film I don't think I could do much better.
I describe all this as a suggestion to contributors that they try overlaying some of their best horror genre stuff over their allotted segment. I think you’ll be surprised at how well it might work.
Of course, I’m not trying to discourage anyone from the challenge of creating to order, but, especially if you're having some difficulty, utilizing your best work is not a shabby way to approach it… and can yield great results.
Ok. I downloaded the movie from the Dropbox link no problem ( thanks @Krupa ) and checked out my assigned section. Will need to watch the non-time coded version as the code obscures the subtitles of the book translation in that section. Pages of German text will be “interesting” to score but there are some other parts that look quite exciting! Looking forward to this.
Did we decide on a base key for this or do we just go for it and the end product can be transposed later if needed?
Not putting any restrictions on scales or keys
Yeah sorry about the placement of that, I tried a few places and despite it covering the text it seemed like the best place so as not to interfere with the framing
It doesn't need to be left to individual choice. But definitely someone could break the film down into 15 discrete sections. Of course they would be of different lengths. And it might even be appropriate to have silence at times. Then those sections could be randomly assigned. I genuinely think this would produce a better end result and simplify things. If people are spending a lot of time on their piece and trying to time everything perfectly, they might not be very happy with others deciding what parts will and won't be used.
@Gavinski : well, if you’re volunteering… bagsy not being allocated silence, though.
I have to say I think it would be a big mistake for anybody to produce something which has to ‘cut to the beat’ to work though. We ‘ve aleady said that things may need to be stretched or squashed, repitched and tempo altered. That fine attention to edit detail works if there is a single guiding genius. But for this project…? This isn’t a pop video…
Well, someone like Lineman might indeed be sitting down and doing live improv over their section. I don't have very strong opinions on this either way, but I do genuinely think the current time slot system is a bit messy and vague. Let's see what others say.
Ok. But - are you volunteering?
Also: messy and vague is how I roll.
We did discuss splitting it manually into more plot/scene based section and then allowing those randomly, but it would have been a great deal more work, and having to match an unknown number of contributors, some with different preferences on lengths would have become an unwieldy armistice nightmare. This way, while imperfect at least ensures that everyone gets as fair a shot as possible, and should feel free to extend into whatever points seem right to them. The edit will be what it is, it’s just a precondition of this sort of collaboration I think, and I’d trust that whoever among us does the work will do it with respect and hopefully a bit of creativity…
I could do it, yeah, I don't think it would be that hard
@Krupa I don't think anyone will be too worried about whether they end up with a 4 minute chunk or a 6 minute one, do you? I mean most of us will be cranking this out with generative tools anyway, or pushing PaulXstretch up to 11 👻
A couple did mention their limits, and yeah, Paulstretch ftw 🙀😁
Taking a look at my own section, If I start on a scene cut a few seconds later than my official start time (an obvious one - I start mid- the hero’s close study of a painting, and I just shift forward to the cut to his next shot away from it) and end more or less bang on the five, just before another wall of text, I get a coherent chunk. (The walls of text are the obvious place to place silence, or drop back to just Iostrakons ambient backdrop, btw.)
So I come up a little short, but I’m fine with that. Personally I’m prepared to trust people to make individual similar boundaried decisions around their own sections, with a leeway of a minute or so either side of their central 5, aiming always for the closest possible cut, and to construct pieces which fade in or out during any excess, to permit of cross fading and/or silence into the next edit or from the previous one. I don’t think we need to over complicate this, or start imposing a structure yet. That will (necessarily) happen when we get to the mixing stage.
Actually, I only remember JWM mentioning a limit, and he said he wanted 3 mins minimum lol
There was him and two others 😁
OK haha.
😁
My section makes sense actually. Gonna rewatch it now to be sure. But @AlterEgo_UK tell me if you need more or less from your chunk (which precedes mine) and @iOSTRAKON, the same to you (which comes right after mine)
Thanks @Krupa for the download!!!
Actually, I won’t be doing an improv to my section. I believe too much in the serendipity factor between music and film. Forme, happenstance always comes out better (and a lot easier. I recommendedfolks try applying already created tracks to their sections. For sure it will yield them good results.
I still am in favor of delineated scenes, though. It would be great if @gavinski diced it that way. I also have absolutely no problem with any stretching, mangling, effectifying that might be done to my stuff for the purpose of a better outcome. I hope everyone will feel that way.
Also, I showed @Svetlovska a thematic thread that could be used by contributors to perhaps weave into their section to creat cohesion (it was Svet’s idea for me to try that’. I post it here as an example.
Maybe others would like to contribute common thematic material as well… think of it like the violin screeches in Psycho…
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2srlu2jboi1m3cw/VAMPYR final.wav?dl=0
Just to amplify that: we are going to set up a communal ‘assets’ folder into which a few selected items will be posted, and which will be available for download and reworking by all. If too many items were to go in it though, the idea of the materials in there acting as connective tissue across the whole movie would be lost.
At present, we’re talking about @LinearLineman ‘s motif, (both audio and midi, hopefully), a forthcoming vocal-only soundscape track by @iOSTRAKON , and possibly a flute motif. That’s probably going to be enough.
Individuals are welcome to upload ‘B Roll’ foley, spot fx, and soundscape to support their piece, all as potential resource for the final mix, and are encouraged to keep the stems used in case they might be useful to a final mix later on.
PM @Krupa on this forum with an email address, and he will liaise with you re getting your material into a folder that everyone can audition, so we can listen in to each other as the piece develops.
Worth repeating there is of course nothing to stop anyone doing their own standalone piece to any section of the movie they like, or even their own vids, if they find the restrictions here too restrictive - we don’t own this stuff, after all!
Also: just to reiterate: there is every chance if you do want in to this project that your piece might be squashed, stretched, repitched, faded early and so on, to make the thing work, so consider: using fade ins and outs in the excess ‘fat’ either side of your allocated 5 minutes, to aid slotting your piece in with its neighbours; and if you really want to do a tight, cut to the beat edit against specific imagery in your section, consider prepping that as your own ‘single version/alternate mix’ as there is no guarantee offered that your main piece will be tightly beat locked inside your 5 minute slot.
I agree as to only a few thematic sound bites. @Svetlovska should be the judge of the folder content, IMO.
Btw, I found and extracted my theme in the first old track I listened to. Trust in serendipity, guys. She’s our best friend in this effort.
Hi @senhorlampada
I just realised the list of assigned sections is not is chronological order so I was about to say that my piece does not preceded yours!
@sevenape : 25-30
@Kewe_Esse :70-75
@FastGhost : 60-65
@bygjohn : 20-25
@Gavinski : 65-70
@senhorlampada : 35-40
@rottencat : 15-20
@jwmmakerofmusic : 45-50
@AlterEgo_UK : 30-35
@Stochastically : 0-5
@Svetlovska : 5-10
@Krupa : 50-55
@Synthi : 10-15
@LinearLineman : 55-60
@iOSTRAKON : 40-45
@senhorlampada The nearest change in scene at the end of my slot is at 00:35:01:27, where the scene changes from a page in the book to the nun and the girl.
@sevenape since your section precedes mine, I think my section would be better starting at 00:28:52:26 when the scene changes from the departing coach to the hero opening the book. Would you agree?
So I will try to keep within those timeslots (maybe with a fade in and out to help with fitting the separate audio pieces together).
I think my section could start at 65:05, basically after the staking of the Vampyre, and end at around 69:45, just when it switches from the river scene to the grain store. @FastGhost @Kewe_Esse is that OK with you guys?
I guess if everyone just negotiates like this with the people either side of their segment things will go smoothly enough.
@Gavinski : I think that sounds like a way forward.
Anyone having this issue, you can watch an untimecoded version with English translation of the text bits here:
https://archive.org/details/Vampyrsilent
@LinearLineman really digging that