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If it’s not too late I’d like to suggest “Haxan” aka “Witchcraft through the Ages” a 1922 silent Danish film that has some scenes that are among the creepiest I’ve ever seen.
Here’s a trailer
It was suggested in the thread that inspired this project, but was deemed to be non public domain, i haven’t checked myself though…
https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/haxan-witchcraft-through-the-ages-1922
It seems to be PD US… is that ok to use?
I think we said it was public domain no? But although it has some creepy scenes it has a fair few dull ones as well, and a lot of exposition. Would maybe work as an edited version. Interesting movie though and I intend to finish it (while listening to my own music, version I found on YouTube had brutally bad music choice once again)
Oh cool, probably fine from the brief sim I gave the notice. In all honesty, unless it’s being monetised we’d likely get away with quite a lot in this day and age anyway. Different if we intend to screen it at events and that, but if you get to that stage, you might well be able to figure out a cheap or free license anyway…
Also though, another problem with is that it just has too many comic moments - the monk's wooing etc. That would provide a lot of variety and challenge for scoring and mood but I think the original premise was ambient / dark ambient experimental which just doesn't jibe with comedy and farce very well 😂. Plus making music for comedy is a lot harder than making brooding soundscapes 😝
Haxan is definitely PD, but as Gavinski notes, it is very uneven in thematic tone, and quite boring in places. It would therefore lend itself more to creative cut up n collaging than Vampyr, which would be like taking crayons to the Mona Lisa.
If you want to see what harm can be done through insensitive editing, compare the original cut of Vampyr with the US edit ‘Castle Of Doom’. (sic)
I am up for creative video work, but on movies which at this remove, may need them, to be more than just quaint museum pieces, or short works like the avant garde Fall Of The House Of Usher I found where you are just leaning into the existing madness.
An awful lot of an awful lot of these movies is people talking theatrically in very stagey room set ups, not inherently interesting for our purposes. There’s maybe 10 minutes of Jekyll & Hyde which is great; maybe the same of The Phantom Carriage. The stone cold classics like Caligari are… best saved for later, perhaps?
If we go with Vampyr, (which is also a stone cold classic in my book), I’d want to preserve the movie as is, and try really, really hard to do justice to it’s hallucinatory beauty through soundtrack alone.
I would be happy to play along to any of the suggestions so far. Vampyr in particular takes my fancy.
Interesting to see Haxan mentioned. I did a rock video using some clips from that for my song Halloween, a few years back.
It's looking fairly likely that Vampyr is going to be the democratic winner for this project; I said privately to @Svetlovska that maybe a soft announce now, with a 24 hour ish grace period in case there's an upswelling of support for anything else and then we can decide which version to use and I can cut it up into pieces to pass out.
I just got the mp4 version from this page, and the quality is much nicer, hard to tell the status of it but we might well get away with it as I said, we're not likely to be monetising and there's all sorts of copies all over the place, especially on youtube...
https://archive.org/details/vampr-german-intertiles
interestingly, there's also a raw mpeg version there, which suggests that it's closer to source than most (I don't miss the days when we struggled to re encode those things from archive.org for broadcast
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[ edit oh butter it's the criterion one, no wonder it's so lovely and sharp, ignore me
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ahh, @Svetlovska just proposed a poll here, much better than my misguided attempts - I'll keep the spreadsheet for managing sections and submission statuses etc...
Yeah i also noticed how digital-looking the last version Svetlovska shared looked. The blacks in particular are very low-read blocky. Would be lovely to have something higher quality but it's not the end of the world.
Ok folks,
As @Krupa notes, there is a nice crisp version of Vampyr out there, but that version is definitely still under copyright.
From the comments this far it looks like the winner (yay!), but I will post a poll shortly for all the films we’ve been discussing and see if anything pops up.
The status of the unrestored version is in a grey area (and not just visually!) due to copyright having been allowed to lapse on it in the US and here in the UK, and it is worth noting that this version also has existed for at least 7 years unchallenged on YouTube. If it were just me, I’d go for the restored version and damn the torpedoes , but as @Gavinski is offering to host the ‘premiere’ I think it is for him to decide if he is okay with that?
Cheering you all on from the sidelines 🎉
I definitely wouldn't risk my channel on that kind of thing so if we go that route I would recommend either a) asking someone else to host it b) setting up a new youtube channel altogether, while being aware that both of those options are likely to get very few views in comparison.
I've just heard too many stories of people getting youtube channels shut down for various violations and then having a nightmare getting their channels back, if they ever even do.
We could always do a private viewing with the nice version?
Are both versions under discussion the same cut, just different quality?
Hard to know without dropping them over each other in a NLE, they might well be, but criterion often make tweaks, or find little lost bits…
@Kewe_Esse : yes. 1 hour 13 minutes. The restored version is by far the better visually.
pace @Gavinski : Maybe a ‘throwaway’ YouTube channel with the nice version used is the way to go. Best of both worlds! We can all boost it here and through our other channels as we see fit. Then maybe the soundtrack should be a BandCamp album… If someone has a Distrokid or similar set up, it could even get punted out to the streaming services. That’d be nice…
https://www.criterion.com/films/661-vampyr
That all sounds good….we could post a few select clips with crappy version on our own channels, then direct ppl to the throwaway one
This all sounds good to me - promote through existing channels, charity or even throw it back here to support the forum...
Not sure on which timezone it was considered, but since it's monday morning here yet, i'm gonna cast a vote
Vampyr. Caligari came close, but from my skimming now and what I recall watching way back, it has some fantastic sets, while Vampyr sticks to creepy all around
edit: was gonna try and edit the spreadsheet, but I would have to ask @Krupa for permission anyway
Being on YouTube it is likely to reach more people through the recommendation system. Sure though we can link to AB Forum and mention that all music was done on iOS etc, how about that?
That's an interesting idea and opportunity for visibility regarding iOS as a solid production platform
Is iOS only a hard rule, i was thinking a bit of it among other things tbh
@Krupa - fwiw, I don’t think there should be any hard rules around what to compose on .
The point of this exercise is for all participants to have fun, and merely to have a focused collective task to apply their creativity to.
I think I’m not being controversial in saying we are aiming at an appropriate commonality of mood, suitable to the material, in genres made for the task, I.e. ambient, or industrial, or Lynchian, or melancholic classical piano, or at least otherwise tending toward the emotionally dark, rather than bouncy pop.
This may be even more appropriate should someone step up to provide a ‘backbone’ of vocal treatments or brief motifs around which individual instrumental pieces can choose to cohere, reference, diverge from, or ignore, to provide an overarching thematic unity throughout the duration of the whole piece, or at least the ghost of one, as was suggested previously.
But if a person feels that they can best achieve their personal desired effect through guitar and a mess of pedals, or an intricate desktop DAW construction, or a live modular session - it’s all good!
Yeah, I think you’re right. The main thing is that I think it needs to sound right together. I mean, anyone wanting to do a very poppy number, you’re probably in the wrong thread lol. It’s pretty obvious to all involved that the music will have to fit the mood of the movie. I don’t think we should be shy either about saying ‘sorry, I don’t think x works, because….’. Would others agree?
To me it makes sense. Even more so if it comes with constructive suggestions to help it steer towards the right way
Should we all use the. Same scale or something, for continuity’s sake!?
@sevenape : the next step will be to publish what formats etc will be required for @Synthi who has volunteered to be the mix master.
I don’t know enough about music to judge, and I’ll leave it to Synthi to set out what will be required, but I imagine it might be at least useful if everyone says what key, scales, tempo they are using, and, indeed, it might make sense for us all to operate in the same scale, but I didn’t want to be prescriptive about stuff I don’t really know anything about. (I believe some clever people know how to modulate from one - key? scale? - to another in the middle of a piece. )
I clearly don’t, so on the whole key/scale thing I’ll be led by those who do.
Continuity was always gonna be a killer with this. So one thing we could do is go through the movie, scene by scene, marking out the scenes/locations/characters against their positions on the timeline, then maybe we could develop a clearer idea of what might go where, and if there were any repeating refrains, or echos of other moments, etc
Does this sound like I’m volunteering? Whoops.
I wouldn't make it about scale. I think scale is important for mood but there are lots of options. I think we could make a private discord or something for those involved. As we each make a piece we can post it there and feed back. Hearing others' pieces might also inspire people as to what they feel works well tonally etc