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My thoughts on each of the films, I've not watched in real time each of them, but I'm having / have had by the time I submit this post a more detailed skip through and play this morning and writing these as I go.
Jekyll and Hyde - some lovely sections, maybe a bit too much talky talky drawing room but a lot of shots with good atmosphere...
Genuine Vampire - lots of atmosphere, fairly surreal and expressionistic, perhaps a bit short as mentioned but in some ways that might be good - more focused and directed scoring - plus it's our first outing and I've got a feeling if it goes well we might well do more?
Phantom Chariot - lots of nice phantastical fx but feels a bit mundane, didn't hold my attention much - though perhaps that can be fixed with our work? - good length (60 minutes)
Orlac's Hand - too long I think, but beautifully made, lots of really striking shots and visually tells it's story very well - maybe another time?
Svengali - nice production design but feels a bit theatrically camp / hammy compared to the others, less a horror more a comedy / melodrama...
Caligari, yes please, but when we're a bit farther down the road, one of my all time favourite films - Murnau's Faust would be another beautiful one to look at sometime, that bit when the devil floats above the town, my soul soars
The Golem - Some incredible location photography and sets, bit long and some more of the theatrical malarkey from some of the cast, but maybe could be shortened by getting rid of / clipping those shots a bit? The Golem itself is bloody great, really good fun.
Vampyr - Feels and looks a lot more modern and sophisticated than the rest, with obviously a much more considered and subtle story. It doesn't reach out and grab me personally but I can see why it's popular... I love the shadow work in the early mid part, and the atmospherics towards the end with the clouds edited against the grave sequence are really lovely too.
White Zombie - interesting piece, seems to be mixing up lots of things in its narrative; slavery in the tropics paralleled to the mysticism of the zombie idea, alongside some hints of Nazism? I'm not sure how suitable it is for our purposes, looks tricky to interpret, though it's clearly a good and not cheap production...
Wolf Blood - totally off its noodle, I feel like it needs a really special treatment to bring out its weirdness, reverse banjos coupled with field recordings, maybe another time?
All in all, they mostly offer something of interest, and almost any one would be great to work with, I hope these potted thought are of use to anyone considering getting involved, even if its just to compel you to look at a piece you might not otherwise...
@Svetlovska I saw your interaction with the singer in the other thread; having a set of vocals that we could all work with might be a really nice way to integrate the set a bit more, we'd each likely treat them differently, but there'd be a commonality that would come through - even if it's not vocals, just something...
@sevenape I added your vote to the sheet
@LinearLineman mangling it all further would be fun, maybe let's see how we get on with the basic task...
One caveat I should mention is that I'm about to begin a fairly intense job that takes me until early September, then I'm supposed to be away for a few weeks (I'm not sure how long, could be three, could be twelve). I can probably sneak some of this in between during the work, and maybe whilst I'm away, if I take a laptop that it, but I think we're looking at a halloween deadline anyways, just thought I'd best mention it...
now back to fiddling with my valves fnar fnar
@Krupa : excellent and useful summaries, thanks! (Also: reverse banjo for a later go at Wolf Blood sounds brilliant
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A Halloween deadline sounds like a good idea, tbh, as was previously mentioned by @sevenape.
I really like your idea of using a shared common element across all the pieces as a linking thread, and of course if it was a human vocal, then that lets everyone else go wild in their own respective sections on the vocal itself, and with instrumentation other than vox. Found myself thinking of the mix of human voices and dark ambient noises Hildur Gudnadottir used on her amazing soundtrack for the tv show Chernobyl:
https://open.spotify.com/artist/2lD1D6eEh7xQdBtnl2Ik7Y
I haven’t heard back from @ReneAsologuitar, so maybe he isn’t up for it - I wonder if there are any other vocalists here who might fancy a challenge?
Wordless voice has the advantage that it can be as interpretative or as soundscape/fx-y as required, it can be dialled up or down in individual pieces, just a wordless phrase or a sound surfacing, calling back to the implicit skeleton it potentially provides the whole thing… damn, now I really hope someone with vocal talents steps up!
Good points there, from the 20 mins or so I watched of Vampyre so far it certainly seemed a lot more contemporary and also spookier than the first 20 mins of Genuine
And great run-through @Krupa! Wow you really got busy with that!
Vampyr def the best of them I watched so far, legit enjoyable movie, clearly ahead of it’s time. Still slugging through some of the others…
…Metropolis just auto-played, so there’ll be a short delay cos that’s getting watched now…
One thing with these is the English subs are very hard to read over the story cards. Those night be something worth redoing, as they somewhat break the flow for the viewer.
+1 yeah, they are hard to read
I’ve not checked anything but the mp4 versions so there might already be versions that either don’t have them or are better. It’s nigh on impossible to remove hard coded subs though. When we’ve settled on a film, I’ll hunt out the best copy I can find, and use that to split into sections with handles that can be handed out to each contributor in a format easily handled by them.
Thank you!!!!
Huh I can’t seem to edit the sheet either. Can I be added and +1 for Vampyr please?
I’ve (hopefully) added my +1 for Vampyr too.
I use a lot of non words / chants / cackles whatever you’d like to call it within my creations. To bring some type of life to the sound
Vampyr does have some diegetic audio content but I reckon we’ll figure any problems out somehow
There’s my new word for the day!
Kewe, I’ll add your vote when I’m at the laptop again, and I’ll check yours is added Svetlovska - you requested access yesterday I think, that might be the step folks have to take if they want direct access, probably needs a google account though…
It’s looking like a shoe in for Vampyr so far, I think Gavinski is voting for that too…
Most likely.
Vampyr does have some die> @Krupa said:
Thanks Krupa!!
About half way through that last version of Vampyre Svetlovska posted. That organ music would drive you fucking bonkers after a while. Us redoing this music is an act of kindness to humanity 😂. And yes I think tons of these old silent movies would really benefit from a more contemporary electronic score.
Ah, there is actually a mute button for that site, so I can watch while listening to my own AUM soundscapes, nice
Yep, I kind of assumed we’d strip out any existing soundtrack from the download, as they would all have been added into the original (mostly) silent movie in the first place.
And yes - diagetic - lovely word. The tolling of bells, creaks of door etc… if you want to see just how bad an over slavish adherence to that would be, check out the crass US re edit of the movie, with voice over narration throughout, called ‘The Castle Of Doom’ for no very good reason, also available on the internet archive site. At a time when I guess sound was what 3D was to become in later years, the US cut rarely misses a chance to add foley… How to turn a masterpiece into hack work…
Lol it’s not often the context for using it comes up… I’ll tell the person who taught it me that I finally passed it on in conversation
Yep, but all I meant was… there was some speech in the movie, we could in principle ‘unmix’ the original speech to use over new scoring… the unmixers are a bit pants in my opinion* but we’re a creative lot… sure we can find a way through this ‘problem’…
*ok so while being a bit pants, they are also essentially magic, as far as audio processing goes, to give the devil his due.
This is really great. So glad to see something like this in the forum.
@Kewe_Esse : well, the version I was proposing to use (assuming Vampyr wins, obvs) is a PD version prior to the 1998 restoration:
https://archive.org/details/Vampyrsilent
This PD version has a new synth soundtrack provided by the uploader, which I proposed we cut out to substitute our own, as is permitted under the Public Domain V1.0 license it is posted as having, the chief advantage to us being this cut predates the possibly still copyrighted 1998 restored Criterion Collection version, but still has legible English subtitles for the intertitle scenes.
If you are able to weave round that to capture any original dialogue, great, but not totally sure that is going to be worth the effort for the relatively few spot moments of sound in the movie.
Wow, visually, Vampyre is really something. I definitely wouldn’t really want people, to start messing with the video in creative ways. Only things I’d consider in that regard would be removing some of the title cards maybe. But yes it is very beautiful and perfect for a dark and melancholy score.
Ah, gotcha that all makes sense. I watched this version:
Cos it just kinda popped up on youtube when I typed in Vampyr. Really not sure what version it is.
In which a young Rishi Sunak encounters much ghoulish activity in 1930’s Courtempierre…
Haha, there is a passing resemblance, now I’m seeing a bit of similarity between Boris Johnson and the evil doctor lol. Something about the hair....
Eesh, those attention seeking ghouls have probably haunted us forever 🙀