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Anyone into the WOO here? UFOs etc?
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Travel would take a long time for us, given our technology, why do you put limitations on ‘them’ when our own method’s in term’s of speed and distance have increased significantly within such a short timeframe.
You state 3 billion years out of the age of the universe, yet we’ve only just dipped our toes into space within the last century. It could be like explaining nuclear fission to a dinosaur.
Funny that aliens seem to appear only where there no high definition cameras, in the days where there are HD cameras everywhere.
Well, God… sorry, I mean… aliens work in mysterious ways
Funny that @cfour said he was done contributing to this thread, yet he still continues to contribute!
J. Allen Hynek became tired with peddling these excuses, now it’s Chinese or Russian drones.
ROFL. I know!!! I have this very bad habit of engaging in discussions
Somebody stop me!
I need to try harder
From the military, it has to be declassified, those videos that are available, the technology is outdated now, so they got declassified. If you manage to read the linked article I posted above, those with security clearances, state, more recent ones which are numerous, are of much better quality, as well as corroborated testimony and other separate factual corroborating data.
Yeah, I guess they must have special rules, a galactic code which allows them to “appear’ only in front of low definition tech only
And never to large groups of witnesses and cameras simultaneously:
VHS,super8,hi-8,SD crt- pixelated video and low res infrared and radar imagery = fine but only vaguely and must be unconvincing and similar to naturally reproducible effects.
720p = not recommended
1080p-8k and above =not a chance
I could be the bad cop, but I’ll give you a pass this time! 😉
Information is declassified not because the technology is old, but because either the information can be released to the public without any impact or it is being released for a particular purpose. Since people love conspiracies, so it can also be a means to create dialogue or drum up attention even if it's meaningless.
Corroboration is not fact, just because thousands or millions believe something, it doesn't mean it's a reality. Groupthink and religion are things which give humans purpose. They can be valuable and comforting in some circumstances, but they are also a slippery slope to towards unknown 'truths' or realities which are deemed irrefutable.
@auxmux: your anti-UFO arguments are rather hard to take seriously when your profile graphic totally matches the object observed in the Phoenix lights incident:
Hundreds of thousands of people saw the, btw…. 😉
Hundreds of thousands of people saw this, btw
What I’m talking about, human eyewitnesses, separate radar tracking data, video all of the same event, this happened time after time…. The military technology FLIR and cockpit instrumentation is classified, as well as radar and other tracking, jamming equipment. Which is another thing they do, Jam radar locks, which is considered an hostile act within the rules of engagement.
I also noticed you side-stepped my deserted island analogy. Ocam’s razor got your tongue?
The military would be aware of the other plane. So, you invoke phantom planes and optical illusions. Is that really your expert explanation? Nothing about digital algorithms or whatever?
That’s pretty weak, considering you are such a experienced expert in digital imaging, as you like to mention so frequently.
That's right: it's a very cinematic scenario though I can't imagine an adaption besting the "just what we know" reality. What I like about this event is that something absolutely did happen and no matter how one views the clues it's just plain freaky.
I've not watched any YouTube vids on this one but there are at least two very good podcasts which discussed it. If I recall only one came to a hypothetical conclusive summary which seems to be in line with the theory I see the most by those who've studied the case.
There is quite a bit of info on the Incident online as well as heaps of sensationalism as always to have to parse through.
Another great mystery is the 'Yuba County Five'.
Of course I am disproven every single day and I accept every single proven result… but the fact is there are still things that are unproven and that is tantalizing and everyone who believes in the scientific method should also be excited or interested.
Science is there to increase our understanding of the universe not to shit on everything we don’t understand cos it hasn’t been in a peer reviewed paper yet. The fact that esteemed scientists and serious organizations are taking on the uap situation in a sober manner is great.
I watched that crappy documentary about flat earth era on YouTube and it was really interesting because one of the most esteemed scientists said we shouldn’t be shouting those people down we should be applauding them for their curiosity and their attempts (however misguided) to prove their beliefs. This is how real scientists should be. We need more Galileos and less dogma.
What’s the point of human beings observing an ant colony then?
It’s very weak, the ufo was tracked via the ship’s tracking radar, altitude and bearing, over a much wider field, the aircraft’s line of sight is limited, FLIR gives you a monochrome image either black hot or white hot, what propulsion system is it using, because aircraft bank, UAP’s often don’t adhere to aviation aerodynamics they turn at incredible velocity that would create such G-forces as to rip apart the most robust know aircraft, as well as rocketry.
Yep some of these things have been observed by multiple systems and people… are they all failing at the same time!? Maybe they are atmospheric anomalies, a weird animal , space aliens or Chinese drones….. the point is they are physical, appear to exhibit very strange abilities and warrant further scientific investigation
Hahaha!
What about the phoenix lights? That was filmed by many people and seen simultaneously by hundreds if not thousands of people.
I see your point but you are refusing to see anyone else’s… it’s not a religion, it’s not spirituality, there are anomalies that are being researched that have a possibility however small of creating a paradigm shift in what we believe scientifically to be true. To laugh off everything is not only condescending, it’s anti scientific.
And honestly it’s the people like mick west who are acting more like religious organizations, enforcing their dogma
Last time a watched a video with Mick West he was debating with Eric Weinstein, he seemed to be in agreement he needed to stop with the dismissive ridicule stance and both agreed to follow the evidence, so maybe there’s hope for the future.
I remember when me and my UFO friends nearly fell out, we realised that there’s just a gap where the already convinced become frustrated by the yet to be convinced not getting on board with their viewpoint, while the yet to be convinced feel patronised by the already convinced constantly telling them to open their minds, when they feel that their minds are pretty damn open 😁
How did they become convinced?
I still haven’t figured that out 😀
The main point was I wanted to make was that we spotted that and made efforts to not alienate each other. We also had a much better dialog about it all after, although I think now that they’ve been watching way too many woo channel docs they’re back in the same position they’d reached from the books in the nineties, so we rarely engage more than a few jokey comments between us in WhatsApp these days…
I haven’t figured out what I witnessed, I’m pretty open to explanations from all sides, but some on both sides believers and skeptics have extreme fixed viewpoints.
Thanks for keeping the lights on @knewspeak - I was going to politely withdraw, but some things I just have to respond to…
I’ll try again: The laws of gravity and mathematics are not a physical object that can be presented as evidence for the existence of black holes, the evidence Mr Gavin requested for proof of alien/UFO activity. My point is to stress the need not to dismiss things out of hand just because you haven’t got a chunk of them on your desk.
No-one said it was, it’s just another possibility that an open minded person might consider. But if ‘lights, drones etc’ have all been ruled out through a detailed investigation, why do you still consider them potential explanations? Sounds like ‘presumption fallacy’ to me, that lad.
Funnily enough Mexico city has been a hotspot for decades.
You dismissed talk of other dimensions earlier, yet are a firm believer in the existence of black holes.
Are you aware that a number of scientists are proposing multidimensional theories associated with black holes? You know about string/superstring theory, right?
So do you also dismiss black hole multidimensional theories as being based on ‘religious belief’?
Are they trolling you? Maybe they are in cahoots with “ George Soros and the Reptilians”?
It’s good to have an open mind about things, it’s how we learn and evolve.
You are right, we can measure and visualise things beyond our senses, like Röntgen-photos, sources in radio-wavelength in the universe, but these are translations to fit to our senses. Math is a language to communicate with our brain, so we can explain what's happening. We use technology and science as an interface between the brain and the "outside" world, so it tells us how it works and give us a meaning.
A chip inside a computer can accept signals, calculate it, and send signals. But, is it aware that it is inside a computer?
Offcourse we are not chips, and we have conciseness and reason, but who are we actually in the universe that is. Are we the fish in a pond?
What’s the point in people visiting souvenir shops invariably filled with the same tat that nobody cares about when on holiday..…… but still they come.
A better quality of blur?
But seriously, I'm always interested in unexplained phenonema but if they had anything convincing that they wanted different opinions of I'm sure they would release them. But yes as time goes on all recording equipment gets better, especially for the general public. That's why if there were any truth to these phenomena being alien then more data should be available and more often and it just isn't happening so far...But who knows maybe one day we'll see more convincing evidence. I'm not ruling anything out, I'm just not holding my breath. I'm just more interested in the depth of phenomena available in the universe to study as it gets richer all the time.