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  • @BerlinFx said: I do music as hobby and I am focus on deep house, electro but also Ambient. So my interest is PianoTeq8 for ambient.

    There are no sounds in PianoTeq that I could see in your music. It’s filled with hammered and plucked physical instruments.

    You can drop the demo version in a project and see that you want a more aggressive tone.

    Hilda seems like the top of list from your dark aggressive style.

    I have loaded PianoTeq with a folder of classic midi files and I can just play with tweaking the FX and instrument parameters.
    Hours of entertainment. But it’s all light and airy… bells, harps, keys and a flurry of arpeggios. That’s my generation.

  • I’m glad you can change your purchases within 2 weeks, because I feel I might want to trade in one of mine for the Steingraeber, which - having played around more and comparing the pianos back to back on some midi I recorded - strikes me as very lovely indeed!

  • @McD said:

    @BerlinFx said: I do music as hobby and I am focus on deep house, electro but also Ambient. So my interest is PianoTeq8 for ambient.

    There are no sounds in PianoTeq that I could see in your music. It’s filled with hammered and plucked physical instruments.

    You can drop the demo version in a project and see that you want a more aggressive tone.

    Hilda seems like the top of list from your dark aggressive style.

    I have loaded PianoTeq with a folder of classic midi files and I can just play with tweaking the FX and instrument parameters.
    Hours of entertainment. But it’s all light and airy… bells, harps, keys and a flurry of arpeggios. That’s my generation.

    Thanks for you helpful advices.

  • Does anyone else here find that (at least when the iPad is mounted on a Magic Keyboard or similar) the drop down preset menu is sometimes unresponsive, needing you to smash on the name of the preset you want several times before it loads?

  • I installed PianoTeq on a MacBook. It showed I have one device activated (even though I have my iPad and iPhone installed). The "Use WAV Impulse..." is there and I tried loading some massive IR's a made with ThafKnar and a few I found on the internet. Many failed due to excessive length but one of my Thafknars is 30 seconds long.

    We really want this feature! My 30 second IR gets activated by a note and then takes on a life of its own adding additional ghostly echoes and pitches. Play a chord creates a massive drone. But it's also trivial to do this in a DAW by adding Thafnar or any other IR loading FX app. But Thafkar lets you load these home made massive IR files so I recommend that.

    Anyway, I'd expect they will seek to add this feature or update the docs to declare it's not supported on IOS.

    So, I have 1 activation left. But I'm going to see if I can load on my 2nd hand iPad... the Mac install reminded me that it only needs about 300MB of storage to install. Nice. Especially on this 2017 iPad 9.7" model with 256GB of storage and no space left.

  • This video goes beyond my own ability to sense differences in pianos, I think, but some people may like this old (on Pteq 6) roundup of Pianoteq pianos by Phil Best. The video covers Steinway B and D, Grotrian, Bluethner, YC5, K2. Some of the more popular ones have come out since (Petrof, Steingraeber, Bechstein), and he has separate videos covering those. I'm not sure the Pteq sound is better than good sample VST's, but the feeling of playing Pteq, the responsiveness of the keyboard/sound combination, I think does make it more enjoyable to play (and watching Phil Best play gives you an idea of that).

  • @Gavinski said:
    I’m glad you can change your purchases within 2 weeks, because I feel I might want to trade in one of mine for the Steingraeber, which - having played around more and comparing the pianos back to back on some midi I recorded - strikes me as very lovely indeed!

    Oh that’s great! With something this pricey it’s good they offer that. Which packs did you end up with in general?

  • @McD said:
    This is an app for people that are really serious about pianos/keyboards of all types.

    Pure Piano or an SF2 player with the SoundFonts4U instruments cover the needs of almost everyone here for a Piano that sounds real.

    But for someone like me I love the subtle differences of the pianos around the world and the ability to tweak small details. I’m hoping @linearlineman finds a model he lives moves but his connect to the real deal can take apps out of the running due to latency or a lack of intimacy that the physical experience generates.

    In a week this frenzy will die out here. Some will follow this app towards a laptop use and Logic Pro or Ableton.

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @HotStrange said:
    Glad to see the reception - save from a couple people - has been positive. Gives me a lot of hope for the future of iOS music making! It’s gonna be late summer/fall before I’m able to splurge and get Standard but I’m looking forward to it. Seems to be just a really really great app. Who knows, maybe I’ll save even longer and get Pro 🤩

    What I see as very positive in this app is that modelling come at a high level to iOS , modelling seems better than samples for instruments as you can use it without budge memory and far more realistic. As I state and I was right from the beginning is that their pricing is complex and very confusing (I don’t talk about price but pricing model).

    I think if more only iOS users buy it , they will certainly adapt their pricing model to make it easier as their first target was Destop users of their VST gift of an iOS app not targeted to iOS only users.

    Pricing model could definitely use some clarification. I haven’t researched their whole website yet though so maybe it reads better there.

    They have a comparison page there. Pro gives very little more than Standard. Standard gives quite a lot more tha than Stage but not everyone will need or want the extra functionality. Many people will genuinely not even need the cheapest tier, Stage, at all and will be happy enough with the free demo versions. Remember that in the presets where it looks like you can have only a small range you can click + down at the bottom (left if I remember?) of the keyboard and that will open up the whole range (apart from the 7 notes in 2nd and 6th octave that are left out of the demo versions. That means that, completely for free, you're already getting things like a Hang Drum with a far larger range than a real Hang Drum, which you'd have to order from Switzerland and would maybe need to wait a year to be built and delivered. And might cost as much as 3000 bucks. And that's just the pan drum! Anybody not checking out the free version of this is sleeping on what is easily the most bang for buck you get for free on the entire ios platform!

    And if you like experimental stuff, remember: half speed is best speed. So you can always lower pitches using Gauss or Enso or Audiostretch or whatever!

    Thanks gavinski I will use it as free iOS apps

    …or buy the Stage version of Pianoteq just to support Pro grade software on iPad/iPhone…

    I would agree if it was 1/10 the price. But spending $100+ just for support if you’re not gonna get the most out of it is more money than A LOT of people have to spend.

  • @HotStrange said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I’m glad you can change your purchases within 2 weeks, because I feel I might want to trade in one of mine for the Steingraeber, which - having played around more and comparing the pianos back to back on some midi I recorded - strikes me as very lovely indeed!

    Oh that’s great! With something this pricey it’s good they offer that. Which packs did you end up with in general?

    I got the Steinway D, Upright Piano and Steel Drums.

    Just adding to the above though, there's a lot you can tweak. For example it's interesting to shorten string length with the Steinway etc to considerably change the tone (as long as you have Standard version). Good thing about the Steinway D too is that it has by far the largest number of user generated presets (available on modartt site, which I haven't even looked into downloading yet, but I imagine there will be a lot of great stuff there, some hugely experimental, some more subtle). Pretty sure anyone can download these btw, even if on the free version, maybe someone can confirm.

  • @pepebaõ said:
    Lol. Thats quite embarassing to read people complaining about the Pianoteq’s pricing..

    I understand that this creates frustration for those who have the annoying habit of wanting to own all the apps. Gas gas gas.

    We ask continuously for high-end apps for iOS but when it comes we complain.

    Serioulsy..

    Right? We want to have our cake and eat it too. I love the direction it’s headed where we still have dedicated iOS Devs making cheaper apps, AND high quality desktop apps.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I’m glad you can change your purchases within 2 weeks, because I feel I might want to trade in one of mine for the Steingraeber, which - having played around more and comparing the pianos back to back on some midi I recorded - strikes me as very lovely indeed!

    Oh that’s great! With something this pricey it’s good they offer that. Which packs did you end up with in general?

    I got the Steinway D, Upright Piano and Steel Drums.

    Just adding to the above though, there's a lot you can tweak. For example it's interesting to shorten string length with the Steinway etc to considerably change the tone (as long as you have Standard version). Good thing about the Steinway D too is that it has by far the largest number of user generated presets (available on modartt site, which I haven't even looked into downloading yet, but I imagine there will be a lot of great stuff there, some hugely experimental, some more subtle). Pretty sure anyone can download these btw, even if on the free version, maybe someone can confirm.

    Woah thanks for the tip! I’ll check on those downloads later tonight. I’m not in a rush to buy yet, it’ll probably be summer time before I’m able to splurge for it. Luckily that gives me plenty of time to really dive deep and compare every piano. The Steinway D and Petrof are probably my favorites. But the Rock Piano is nice too. I think 1 Piano, the Hohner collection for some more unique stuff, and the Steel Pans are the way. I would love to have the guitar but considering I already have actual guitars, it’s not exactly necessary lol.

    I like a few of the artist instrument packs too for their uniqueness. How’s the steel pan one?

    Also is it correct that you get the entirety of the KIVIR instruments as well?

  • edited May 2023

    @HotStrange said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I’m glad you can change your purchases within 2 weeks, because I feel I might want to trade in one of mine for the Steingraeber, which - having played around more and comparing the pianos back to back on some midi I recorded - strikes me as very lovely indeed!

    Oh that’s great! With something this pricey it’s good they offer that. Which packs did you end up with in general?

    I got the Steinway D, Upright Piano and Steel Drums.

    Just adding to the above though, there's a lot you can tweak. For example it's interesting to shorten string length with the Steinway etc to considerably change the tone (as long as you have Standard version). Good thing about the Steinway D too is that it has by far the largest number of user generated presets (available on modartt site, which I haven't even looked into downloading yet, but I imagine there will be a lot of great stuff there, some hugely experimental, some more subtle). Pretty sure anyone can download these btw, even if on the free version, maybe someone can confirm.

    Woah thanks for the tip! I’ll check on those downloads later tonight. I’m not in a rush to buy yet, it’ll probably be summer time before I’m able to splurge for it. Luckily that gives me plenty of time to really dive deep and compare every piano. The Steinway D and Petrof are probably my favorites. But the Rock Piano is nice too. I think 1 Piano, the Hohner collection for some more unique stuff, and the Steel Pans are the way. I would love to have the guitar but considering I already have actual guitars, it’s not exactly necessary lol.

    I like a few of the artist instrument packs too for their uniqueness. How’s the steel pan one?

    Also is it correct that you get the entirety of the KIVIR instruments as well?

    Hi, what are the artist instrument packs?! I'm not even aware of those yet.

    And yes, once you get the Stage license, you get the Kivir stuff. Some of those pianos are definitely not bad but don't really compare to the paid, main pianos, for my taste, the epiano is OK but nothing compared to the Rhodes, the clavichord is absolutely beautiful and the harpsichords are pretty nice too. Remember you can listen to examples of all the Kivir stuff on their website. The steel pans are definitely beautiful.

  • No direct path to Standard at a reduced rate is a garbage pricing model. $270… F that!

  • Been looking for good steel drums 🇹🇹for decades…this could be it

  • @TurnItUp said:
    No direct path to Standard at a reduced rate is a garbage pricing model. $270… F that!

    $270 is nothing if you really are in love with pianos…
    The sound out of Pianoteq 8 on my iPad Pro 12.9” M1 is incredible good, and better than everything else present on iPadOS/iOS..

  • edited May 2023

    @TurnItUp said:
    No direct path to Standard at a reduced rate is a garbage pricing model. $270… F that!

    As someone explain to me you buy the VST for your Mac OS Daw and you got as a gift 💝 ios PianoTeq 8 at the beginning it was their focus. I got LogicPro so I should buy the standard VST to have the iOS free if I understand.

  • @BerlinFx said:

    @TurnItUp said:
    No direct path to Standard at a reduced rate is a garbage pricing model. $270… F that!

    As someone explain to me you buy the VST for your Mac OS Daw and you got as a gift 💝 ios PianoTeq 8 at the beginning it was their focus. I got LogicPro so I should buy the standard VST to have the iOS free if I understand.

    Or buy the iOS app to jet desktop versions free - works both ways.

    @TurnItUp try the free version - it gives you so much that you might not even feel a need to buy the app. Incredibly generous what they give for free, actually.

  • @BerlinFx said:

    @TurnItUp said:
    No direct path to Standard at a reduced rate is a garbage pricing model. $270… F that!

    As someone explain to me you buy the VST for your Mac OS Daw and you got as a gift 💝 ios PianoTeq 8 at the beginning it was their focus. I got LogicPro so I should buy the standard VST to have the iOS free if I understand.

    the purchase process ends up running on the Modartt.com servers: then your IOS install when you click RESTORE purchases checks the those servers and turns on your level of purchase.

    ALL MY IOS ACTIVATIONS COUNT AS 1 of my THREE ALLOWED ACTIVE DEVICES: 2 iPads and 1 iPhone all sharing the same Apple ID. I tried my wife’s iPad since we have family sharing but that is not a supported feature for PianoTeq. Her activation using my Modartt Email and Password failed since it’s not my Apple ID.

    My other 2 activations are turned on for a MacBook M1 and a MacBook Intel. PianoTeq code is OS X Universal for both chipsets.
    I’d expect they will create an M Series version to get the best possible performance overtime.

  • Took a Piano composition that I wrote out in StaffPad months ago and exported the MIDI into Atom 2.
    The target was 2 PianoTeq Instances:

    1. layering Steinway D and Celtic Harp
    2. Bluthner Piano

  • edited May 2023

    @McD said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @TurnItUp said:
    No direct path to Standard at a reduced rate is a garbage pricing model. $270… F that!

    As someone explain to me you buy the VST for your Mac OS Daw and you got as a gift 💝 ios PianoTeq 8 at the beginning it was their focus. I got LogicPro so I should buy the standard VST to have the iOS free if I understand.

    the purchase process ends up running on the Modartt.com servers: then your IOS install when you click RESTORE purchases checks the those servers and turns on your level of purchase.

    ALL MY IOS ACTIVATIONS COUNT AS 1 of my THREE ALLOWED ACTIVE DEVICES: 2 iPads and 1 iPhone all sharing the same Apple ID. I tried my wife’s iPad since we have family sharing but that is not a supported feature for PianoTeq. Her activation using my Modartt Email and Password failed since it’s not my Apple ID.

    My other 2 activations are turned on for a MacBook M1 and a MacBook Intel. PianoTeq code is OS X Universal for both chipsets.
    I’d expect they will create an M Series version to get the best possible performance overtime.

    I don’t do music on my iPhone and got 2 iPad one old ipad2 Air and one IpadAir 4 and the MacBook Air M1 I want the VST on the M1 and iOS only on IpadAir4 ?

  • @Gavinski said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @TurnItUp said:
    No direct path to Standard at a reduced rate is a garbage pricing model. $270… F that!

    As someone explain to me you buy the VST for your Mac OS Daw and you got as a gift 💝 ios PianoTeq 8 at the beginning it was their focus. I got LogicPro so I should buy the standard VST to have the iOS free if I understand.

    Or buy the iOS app to jet desktop versions free - works both ways.

    @TurnItUp try the free version - it gives you so much that you might not even feel a need to buy the app. Incredibly generous what they give for free, actually.

    I will try the free one before any buy just something I don’t understand you are limited to 20 minutes to play each time you open the free app or 20 minutes for a global trial. I can remember just that someone talk about 20 minutes for the free ??

  • @MrSpiral said:

    @Montreal_Music said:

    @McD said:

    @Montreal_Music said:
    I'm sure there is the answer in the thread, but to save me some time, can someone tell me how the license works with iOS? I means, I have 3 slots to activate Pianoteq 8, but does that mean that I cannot use it on my 4 iPad and 2 iPhone? Or it's 1 activation per account and you can use the app on any of your device?

    So 3 slots = 1 Desktop Windows + 1 Macbook + 4 iPad + 2 iPhone?
    1 slot for Windows
    1 slot for the Macbook
    1 slot for all my portable devices (iOS)?

    Thanks

    Anything you buy will work on any device you own. The rights are just tied to your user account at Modartt.com.
    The 3 instruments you license will be available on every device that you install PianoTeq on: IOS (iPhone or iPad), Mac (Intel or M1), Windows, Linux (may just be Raspberry Pi… not sure).

    Buy it once and use it anywhere. To sync your purchased apps you use the “Restore Purchases” button on the top of the Options/Instruments page.

    From this perspective, it’s more cost effective. The Mac and Windows users are going crazy to find out their iPhone and iPad can install everything they own for free.

    There will be an upgrade fee when that happens sometime in the next year or so but there will be new features to encourage you to stay current. The current version will just keep working. I have only had one bug so far… the keyboard on the app screen went dark on me and I needed to re-start the app.

    Thank you for your effort to put this clear answer McD! I know understand how it works!

    I will add one more thing. Activations on desktop hardware are machine-specific. If you want to move an activation from one piece of hardware to another, you will have to deactivate the first piece, and from then on, it can never be reactivated on that piece.

    This is meant to keep activations from proliferating in the wild. The intent is so that when you upgrade your computer, you can move the activation since you’re getting rid of the old computer.

    Note that you do NOT need to have the old hardware handy in order to do this. It’s all done online.

    Also, remember that this applies to desktop installations only. One activation works for all iOS devices, and always will.

    I understand that if I deactivate a computer, this computer can never be reactivated, but what about iOS? If I make a mistake and deactivate by mistake my iOS license instead of, let's say, the computer I want to deactivate, will it be possible to reactivate this email account linked to my iOS account?

  • @McD said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @TurnItUp said:
    No direct path to Standard at a reduced rate is a garbage pricing model. $270… F that!

    As someone explain to me you buy the VST for your Mac OS Daw and you got as a gift 💝 ios PianoTeq 8 at the beginning it was their focus. I got LogicPro so I should buy the standard VST to have the iOS free if I understand.

    the purchase process ends up running on the Modartt.com servers: then your IOS install when you click RESTORE purchases checks the those servers and turns on your level of purchase.

    ALL MY IOS ACTIVATIONS COUNT AS 1 of my THREE ALLOWED ACTIVE DEVICES: 2 iPads and 1 iPhone all sharing the same Apple ID. I tried my wife’s iPad since we have family sharing but that is not a supported feature for PianoTeq. Her activation using my Modartt Email and Password failed since it’s not my Apple ID.

    My other 2 activations are turned on for a MacBook M1 and a MacBook Intel. PianoTeq code is OS X Universal for both chipsets.
    I’d expect they will create an M Series version to get the best possible performance overtime.

    Now I understand 🙏

  • @BerlinFx said:
    Now I understand 🙏

    You can get Demo versions for any platform too.
    The Windows and Mac will give you VST, AU, and other plug-in standards so it works in any DAW you have.
    The display is designed for those smaller plug-in windows but on IOS the display standalone fills the screen. I was surprised that
    the Mac display is the AU window size. Touch is a less painful way to make adjustments for an hour.

  • I have a few questions. I am considering getting the stage version (for now).

    What Pianos come with Stage? Or is it just the 2 instrument packs I choose?

    Do I have to pick the two instrument packs upon purchase or can I still preview them?

    What parameters are available to adjust on Stage?

  • @McD said:

    @BerlinFx said:
    Now I understand 🙏

    You can get Demo versions for any platform too.
    The Windows and Mac will give you VST, AU, and other plug-in standards so it works in any DAW you have.
    The display is designed for those smaller plug-in windows but on IOS the display standalone fills the screen. I was surprised that
    the Mac display is the AU window size. Touch is a less painful way to make adjustments for an hour.

    I am only on Mac but the fact that it is Universal is a + thanks

  • @BerlinFx said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @TurnItUp said:
    No direct path to Standard at a reduced rate is a garbage pricing model. $270… F that!

    As someone explain to me you buy the VST for your Mac OS Daw and you got as a gift 💝 ios PianoTeq 8 at the beginning it was their focus. I got LogicPro so I should buy the standard VST to have the iOS free if I understand.

    Or buy the iOS app to jet desktop versions free - works both ways.

    @TurnItUp try the free version - it gives you so much that you might not even feel a need to buy the app. Incredibly generous what they give for free, actually.

    I will try the free one before any buy just something I don’t understand you are limited to 20 minutes to play each time you open the free app or 20 minutes for a global trial. I can remember just that someone talk about 20 minutes for the free ??

    I forget how long the demo lasts first time you open it. But then a pop up appears asking you to 'rewind'. If you keep tapping the rewind circle, your next demo session can be as long as 45 mins. The 20 minute demo is to demo the standard and pro features. @hes mentioned above that you can quit the app and run this again as many times as you want but that is not what I see. If I demo the pro version for 1 minute, close the app and open it, then I have only 19 mins of Pro demo left.

    So:

    Play with the free app as much as you like, for up to 45 minutes at a time, with just a few keys on the entire keyboard range disabled. 7 exactly, at the high and low registers.

    Demo the 2nd level, Standard version, or 3rd level, Pro version, some keys will still be restricted, but all other features of those levels are available, for up to 20 mins max, which can be paused but you only have 20 mins total to demo each level.

    Compare this to the demo version of many desktop plugins, which gives you only a few minutes before it quits or there is a bleep or whatever. The magnanimity of this demo version makes me feel very well disposed towards the pianoteq devs.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @TurnItUp said:
    No direct path to Standard at a reduced rate is a garbage pricing model. $270… F that!

    As someone explain to me you buy the VST for your Mac OS Daw and you got as a gift 💝 ios PianoTeq 8 at the beginning it was their focus. I got LogicPro so I should buy the standard VST to have the iOS free if I understand.

    Or buy the iOS app to jet desktop versions free - works both ways.

    @TurnItUp try the free version - it gives you so much that you might not even feel a need to buy the app. Incredibly generous what they give for free, actually.

    I will try the free one before any buy just something I don’t understand you are limited to 20 minutes to play each time you open the free app or 20 minutes for a global trial. I can remember just that someone talk about 20 minutes for the free ??

    I forget how long the demo lasts first time you open it. But then a pop up appears asking you to 'rewind'. If you keep tapping the rewind circle, your next demo session can be as long as 45 mins. The 20 minute demo is to demo the standard and pro features. @hes mentioned above that you can quit the app and run this again as many times as you want but that is not what I see. If I demo the pro version for 1 minute, close the app and open it, then I have only 19 mins of Pro demo left.

    So:

    Play with the free app as much as you like, for up to 45 minutes at a time, with just a few keys on the entire keyboard range disabled. 7 exactly, at the high and low registers.

    Demo the 2nd level, Standard version, or 3rd level, Pro version, some keys will still be restricted, but all other features of those levels are available, for up to 20 mins max, which can be paused but you only have 20 mins total to demo each level.

    Compare this to the demo version of many desktop plugins, which gives you only a few minutes before it quits or there is a bleep or whatever. The magnanimity of this demo version makes me feel very well disposed towards the pianoteq devs.

    Thanks very useful to know that limitations of time by level. And tricks ,

  • Oh, let me correct the above - if you quit the host that is running the auv3 you can indeed run the Pro and Standard demos as many times as you like. Same with the standalone.

    Why it didn't work for me in aum when I tried just now was because I just removed and reopened the plugin in aum. But quitting aum and restarting resets everything

    @Gavinski said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @TurnItUp said:
    No direct path to Standard at a reduced rate is a garbage pricing model. $270… F that!

    As someone explain to me you buy the VST for your Mac OS Daw and you got as a gift 💝 ios PianoTeq 8 at the beginning it was their focus. I got LogicPro so I should buy the standard VST to have the iOS free if I understand.

    Or buy the iOS app to jet desktop versions free - works both ways.

    @TurnItUp try the free version - it gives you so much that you might not even feel a need to buy the app. Incredibly generous what they give for free, actually.

    I will try the free one before any buy just something I don’t understand you are limited to 20 minutes to play each time you open the free app or 20 minutes for a global trial. I can remember just that someone talk about 20 minutes for the free ??

    I forget how long the demo lasts first time you open it. But then a pop up appears asking you to 'rewind'. If you keep tapping the rewind circle, your next demo session can be as long as 45 mins. The 20 minute demo is to demo the standard and pro features. @hes mentioned above that you can quit the app and run this again as many times as you want but that is not what I see. If I demo the pro version for 1 minute, close the app and open it, then I have only 19 mins of Pro demo left.

    So:

    Play with the free app as much as you like, for up to 45 minutes at a time, with just a few keys on the entire keyboard range disabled. 7 exactly, at the high and low registers.

    Demo the 2nd level, Standard version, or 3rd level, Pro version, some keys will still be restricted, but all other features of those levels are available, for up to 20 mins max, which can be paused but you only have 20 mins total to demo each level.

    Compare this to the demo version of many desktop plugins, which gives you only a few minutes before it quits or there is a bleep or whatever. The magnanimity of this demo version makes me feel very well disposed towards the pianoteq devs.

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