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Yep. Which sucks because I would’ve bought the Roli packs forever ago if the app wasn’t abandoned. It’s the cheapest way to get them. As it stands now, it looks like I’ll be getting the Geoshred packs. Actually wait. You can’t sequence the sounds if you buy it within Geoshred can or does Geoshred accept incoming midi in the AU version?
Ah I was under the impression you could go straight from free to Standard. Is this not the case? $260 is a bit of an ask. I’m probably gonna wait on one of their sales before I think about buying it. But the Demo version is great for now and is just enough to let me know I do actually want it at some point in the future.
Even though I make mostly experimental music, outside of drums and samples, acoustic instruments are my most used. Just because they’re so good for found sound and electro-acoustic type things.
It was an impulse buy… I got the Studio because I was using demo and the time passed so quickly I got frustrated and I realized I just wanted to get into the controls and go deep.
I’ve Loaded up about 100 MIDI files and I set it playing from the list of MIDI’s and I’ve been making Presets, Layers and trying understand what every little control does. The HELP option
where any touch brings up a Help Pop-Up box to explain has got me solid. I also discovered the OnLine Manual and I keep looking through it to understand areas where I’m not sure what something means.
This is my kind of “sound design” where I start from an acoustic instrument and start changing it to be something very different… something that has a heightened reality by adding a delay or wah.
This will probably keep me busy for weeks… at least that’s the plan. It’s different than synth programming where I keep trying to find something that seems “real”. Everything here is real but
you can fuck with it’s DNA to become something surreal. I don’t get the same morphing capability from the SWAM apps.
Of course, I may start finding that the boundaries of this new sandbox are pretty limiting. Then I’ll start looking into running multiple instances with Mozaic automations and MIDI tricks.
The fact that is dropped on my birthday had a lot to do with going “all in”… everyone sends me gift cards because they know I spend all my free time using music apps on an iPad.
Please share the presets when they’re done 🙏🏾
Lucky dog! I’m hoping my summer time I’ll have enough to get the Standard version. I’m not sure that I need ALL the pianos so I think 1 piano and 2 other packs will suffice and then maybe 1-2 other packs down the road if I want to. Which pianos are you finding to be the best?
Also I agree with you on diving into its DNA. Part of the reason I love samples it because I can take something like percussion, violins, etc, and transform it into something otherworldly. I was running a bunch of Pianoteq sounds into Gauss last night and had so much fun. I’ve never spent over $50 on a single app (Cubasis 3) but I really think this is worth it.
Most confusing AB thread ever.
You said:
in Stage demo mode (i.e. what the plugin open as by default) I can't open that panel nor automate it
Then you said:
from the free app store download you can test absolutely everything (all instruments, all settings, automation, etc.) except for the free instruments.
Somebody please just clarify:
In the free version can you:
A) and click on an instrument and tweak the parameters that pop up, the ones I showed in my 2nd image posted above
cept incoming midi in the AU version?
You can actually play the geoshred sounds with a Sampler as long as you don't use Ch 1 to send the midi notes on. Just use other channels - simple.
With Standard version of Pianoteq I'm able to do all the things Standard allows with any instrument, including the demos
If you scroll up, I think a few of us clarified it, about what you can do in the app and what you can do in terms of exposed parameters. I'm getting a bit tired of repeating myself, ppl need to read the thread, this app's pricing etc is confusing for sure
Modartt has a site on their forum where Presets can be shared. Mostly they are performer/players tweaks on their favorite piano for gigs.
One is a bass app that changes the A pitch to 110 down 2 octaves from the 3 String Guitar Preset. PianoTeq is on version 8 but older revs have their pages of presets. I haven’t looked into that yet.
I need to know if a Pro Preset is useable by a Stage owner or if it’s going to be considered a demo use that times out on you. Lots more to investigate.
Which pianos are you finding to be the best?
Petrof seems like the best value as a piano… I’d go E-Pianos if I could only have 2.
Number 3: guitar or harp depending on taste. There’s an E-Guitar in there and an Amp FX that can provide distortion but it’s not super convincing. I should check it out with pitch bend and see if doing the Jan Hammer thing makes for a Miami Vice guitar lead.
Number 4: a Steinway D for bright or HB or B for more intimate less concert tone.
The Yamaha is Crystaline and like no other sound.
For recordings of jazz and in a mix most will select the Yamaha sound. It has sparkle and cuts through.
K2 is also a unique tone.
I have a soft spot for the Bluthner’s soft tone.
It’s fun to jump from model to model but demo will disclose something you might want to put on you gift list or to jump when a sale drops on Black Friday.
The steel Drums are great with the hand drum as a standout.
I’m in a felt piano phases so I keep comparing for the most aggressive muted felt piano. Everyone will differ on this type of sound.
The Xylophone/Marimba pack is a joy since I did a recital that used both to get my degree and after graduating I don’t have either to play. A good Marimba is a very cool sound.
I don’t like the mallets they used on the vines pack but with Pro I can drop all the odd harmonics and that helps. It’s the feature of Pro I will come to live. I hope Presets that tweak this can just work for anyone. We shall see.
Hohner clavs are spot on.
The historic piano packs are curiosities.
The Upright has a lot to recommend for the song writer sound. Nice felts here. Very percussive.
When I contemplated only getting 3 I was sad… then paying $50 to get more I crossed the $900 line so I sad fuck it. It will only hurt for about a week and I could cover my tracks with gift cards and some credit card points. And a tax refund. Otherwise, you know the deal. Just stare at the good toys through the window and wait.
Thanks for the break down! After some demoing I can definitely see the points you’re making. The Yamaha one does sound great and a jazzy steely Dan tone is more what I’m after. But Steinway is most versatile (imo) and Petrof just sounds GREAT. I think I’m gonna chose 1 piano, the Hohner collection, and then one other. I already have guitars so not sure if chose that set but it’s a maybe. The Steel Drum is probably my #3 right now.
It’s definitely gonna be a lot of window shopping and demoing for a couple months. Luckily by then I should have an exact idea of what I want.
Gotcha. I have lots of wired bugs using geoshred as IAA so just needed to clarify. Seems like the best price to feature ratio for the SWAM sounds.
For Pianoteq, it’s pretty cool you can keep reusing the Standard demo mode. That’s exactly what I need to make sure it’s worth the price. Though I suspect it totally is.
Honestly once you visit the site, it’s clears a lot of the pricing structure up which I should’ve done right away. I think it’s all the varying responses in the thread that makes it confusing. Thanks for you and the couple others for clarifying and taking the time!
Lot’s of playing around to see if a sound doesn’t get old or the worst case: annoying.
Making recordings of sessions and listening in the car or through speakers can validate what the headphones indicate as a quality tone. Low buffer settings (64) can get latency down to 1.5 MSec. No sample based product can touch that can it?
If the sample based product can run at buffer = 64, then the latency will be the same.
Generally speaking, playing back a sample should be more CPU efficient than modeling a sound from scratch.
Make it clear is a VST price model going to iOS for VST users , for VST users the pricing model is classical not for iOS only users. I talk only why people are confused about the pricing model not about the price high is normal pricing for VST.
No problem, only thing is the site doesn't really make it clear whether you have access to tweaking the parameters in the default demo instruments. It also doesn't say anything about auv3 parameters. So still useful we have this thread.
@McD Congrats, since you love traditional instruments I'm sure you'll get a lot of use out of having the whole shebang. I'd love to have the lot!
Oh oh how this changes our day!!, We have owned Pianoteq pro for years and years…now to be able to use it on all of our iPads is a dream to realize. The best part is being able to change the temperaments and use Scala files to do microtonal music right inside of AUM. First night with everything unlocked with our desktop license… absolutely a wonder!! The dice in our version unleashes infinite organic emulation sound design.
It has shown most parameters exposed in AUM.
iPad 7 and is almost zero latency.
In the first statement I was referring to the functionality of Stage demo. The second one refers to the fact that I can switch to the other demo modes and test their full functionality and also test the sounds of all instruments, without committing to any purchase.
This, for instance, tells me that if I want to have access to the tweaks panel Stage is not enough for me, but also helps me decide by letting me try out what exactly the panel can do.
Loving the demo. On my 25 key controller it actually feels real. The upright is really nice. The selection menu is a little awkward to move through and select different instruments, but the sound is quite amazing.
Yes understood you later, cheers!
VST is a plug-in format for Mac and Windows.
AU is a plugin for Mac
AUv3 is a plugin for IOS
PianoTeq supports all these for one price using 4 Tiers;
Stage
Standard
Pro
Studio
In a Mac or windows DAW like Logic Pro you could select the VST or (AU plug-in. No extra fees for that or loss of features on IOS.
I don’t see the Impulse File loader implemented on IOS. No reply from Modartt yet on this difference in their port.
This is still a silent release while they sort out bugs and gauge user acceptance (silently I guess).
Agree with you I think it is a test including about price acceptance on iOS. It can lead to the fact that PianoTeq will adapt it pricing to iOS and drop deeply the price.
So I am in a wait and see feeling.
Nice, it's all clear now!
PianoTeq will increase revenue by:
1. Adding more users and IOS will help here
2. Selling users level upgrades
3. Introducing new instrument packs
4. Creating new versions with upgrade fees
I doubt they will change the 3 authorizations on any platform. I hope they keep all IOS count as 1 authorization.
You may notice you pay them directly and the Apple Store is used to download the free software demo. But Stage, Standard, Pro or Studio requires a credit card or PayPal transaction with Modartt or a reseller. Maybe this will become standard with the big companies.
PianoTeq will make a lot of pianists buy iPads and iPhones. Then they might show up here like @LinearLineman with questions and performances. PianoTeq also runs a forum but it’s pretty tame and fixated on typical piano nerd concerns.
I think I’ll make a Mozaic script to handle the 4 pedals like the mysterious Celeste pedal that raises the felt layer up and down. Hopefully by degrees and not a Boolean on/off… it is a mystical model, right?
When they will release a PianoTeq9 I s’oppose you will ne to pay to have the latest release as for all VST and some iOS apps.
I'll be premiering PIANOTEQ 8 this evening at 8.00 pm UK time if anyone is about then.
It might take a few years for a new release. The cost for users of previous releases to version 8 is $29 and is has a lot of new features. Version 9 will too I expect. So that’s how they keep the money coming in to create more features. It’s the standard business model for desktop apps and we just joined that model. Maybe some successful IOS software makers will join in and stop feeding us Lite apps designed to feed files to their cash cows like Reason, Ableton and Apple do. The full capabilities of desktop tech arrived with the M1. I’ve learned to prefer touch and set aside my MacBook with that silly touchpad that clicks. It hurts to use it for hours.
As does typing with my thumb so the hardware keyboard really helps however for IOS.
Think I know that one 😉. Sounds great !
Wow!!
I’ll be there! Good luck to demo this fantastic product!
Curious if anyone knows:
Let’s say you have Stage, if you want to upgrade to, say, Standard, you need to pay another 130 bucks. But what if you have also bought an additional 50 buck instrument in the meantime - will that 50 bucks spent mean that now you can now upgrade to Standard for only 80 bucks?
That is the main gripe I am having over the price structure. Why not let us have a direct path to standard/pro minus the additional packs? Say $199 for standard, $249 for pro. It feels like $50 of each tier is going toward another instrument pack that I do not want right now. I would rather get packs on sale.
I tried out the “Electric Guitars” in the Guitar pack and for me the most real sounding is the Electric Jazz preset used in the AUv3 instance in AUM and then run through one of the IOS Guitar Amp simulators from Nembrini, TH-U or Amplitube.
The Electric Jazz sounds like the Yonac “Steel Guitar” tone and using an MPE Capable keyboard like GeoShred or Velocity Keyboard it sounds like a slide guitar. I have tried a solid MIDI controller with the pitch bend controller in a Jan Hammer style but I’m sure it will be convincing.
The model doesn’t seem to have a heavy pick sound suitable for Country styles but with the MPE support it can emulate a steel guitar with individual note bends.