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Pianoteq 8 is now on the AppStore

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  • @Gavinski said:
    But only if you use the internal keyboard or any time you pipe midi into the app? Why would it only work in standalone? > @hes said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @hes said:
    I haven't been able to get the automatic midi recording working at all. Has anybody gotten this to work? It's a feature in the standalone mode only.

    I've tried with free demo version on one iPad and with licensed Standard version on another. Neither of them seem to be recording anything, despite 'Automatic Recording' being enabled in Midi Archiving Settings. Works fine on my desktop version, so I have some idea of how it should work.

    Maybe contact their support? Did the Tonality dev not bring out an app for retrospective midi recording some time ago btw? I remember it had a beta version but don't actually remember any release.

    I contacted support, will see what they say. It really adds to the functionality to have this built into the app, always on, never need to think about it, just have everything you play recorded and archived for as long as you want.

    The midi recording seems to be tied to the midi player functionality. The midi player is not loaded in AUv3 mode. You may not have noticed it yet, but look at the very top of the Pianoteq window in standalone and in AUv3 mode. In standalone you will see a thin horizontal strip with the midi player functions, and on the right side the metronome. In AUv3 mode, this strip of functions is missing. (These functions would be useful as AUv3, it seems to me, not sure why it's separated. Except for metronome tempo setting, which in AUv3 mode would be set by host.)

    The midi recording functionality works with my external keyboard, so I assume it works whenever you're piping midi in. Though, of course, I can't get it to work on iPad yet, only desktop.

  • @hes said:

    @Gavinski said:
    But only if you use the internal keyboard or any time you pipe midi into the app? Why would it only work in standalone? > @hes said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @hes said:
    I haven't been able to get the automatic midi recording working at all. Has anybody gotten this to work? It's a feature in the standalone mode only.

    I've tried with free demo version on one iPad and with licensed Standard version on another. Neither of them seem to be recording anything, despite 'Automatic Recording' being enabled in Midi Archiving Settings. Works fine on my desktop version, so I have some idea of how it should work.

    Maybe contact their support? Did the Tonality dev not bring out an app for retrospective midi recording some time ago btw? I remember it had a beta version but don't actually remember any release.

    I contacted support, will see what they say. It really adds to the functionality to have this built into the app, always on, never need to think about it, just have everything you play recorded and archived for as long as you want.

    The midi recording seems to be tied to the midi player functionality. The midi player is not loaded in AUv3 mode. You may not have noticed it yet, but look at the very top of the Pianoteq window in standalone and in AUv3 mode. In standalone you will see a thin horizontal strip with the midi player functions, and on the right side the metronome. In AUv3 mode, this strip of functions is missing. (These functions would be useful as AUv3, it seems to me, not sure why it's separated. Except for metronome tempo setting, which in AUv3 mode would be set by host.)

    The midi recording functionality works with my external keyboard, so I assume it works whenever you're piping midi in. Though, of course, I can't get it to work on iPad yet, only desktop.

    Thnx!

  • Do we know if the free instruments on desktop works on iOS?

  • @Montreal_Music said:
    Do we know if the free instruments on desktop works on iOS?

    Yes. You can download the free instruments after you have paid for some level (Stage, Standard, Pro, Studio).

  • @Gavinski said:
    Tldr - I don't see this as an app only for serious pianists. It seems though that many here need to be convinced of that. McD will agree.

    I was really cautious about singing the praises of this app since I know it’s priced beyond the budgets of most readers here and frankly BS-16i with SF2’s can cover most of the provided sounds. There are now many SF2 loading apps that can scratch the itch to use all Piano types in DAWs. So, this was an app for the true piano zealot seeking to compare the subtle tonal shadings between 20+ different high end grands and an excellent upright. But Modartt has also added E-Pianos, Clavs, Tuned Percussion, Guitars (good from Spanish and still meh for electric so don’t get excited), Harps, Steel Drums.

    To get the whole enchilada it’s $900 and for me, that’s a deal because the setup and playback with AUv3’s in AUM is beyond amazing. I’ve paid well over $900 with BeatHawk, Module Pro, iSymphonic. 10+ Piano apps, PSP, AudioLayer, Decent Sampler IAPs, and so on. I’m on a quest to use computers to fulfill the dreams of a College Music Major that wants to create film music.
    If have also bought just under $900 in Staffpad Libraries to try and get closer to what desktop folks can do with Kontakt and those sound library products… we’re going to get them now that Logic Pro is validating the hardware for real studio production workflows.

    But I was a young broke musician that scanned the magazines for the great synths, apps and hardware and wished I could make a studio with the best stuff but I focused on getting 2 kids raised and through college before I started buying good products.

    So, I have discretionary income to splurge but I’d like to stress that Modartt has unlocked the complete feature set of this technology for anyone to TRY for 20 minutes at the highest level (except for those few free instruments). So, with that capability I’m ready to state that this app is more fun than anything I’ve found for making interesting tracks. It doesn’t have typical synth sounds at all but with the Standard/Pro level tweaking it can create some very synth-y sounding stuff in that “almost real” sounding category of synth like “Brass Section” or “Synthetic Strings”. Like the Romplers of the 90’s.

    There’s this seductive “Random” button that changes all the parameters with one push. Push, play… push play… stop! Save that one. Now, in Try mode you can’t keep what you save so the pressure to get licensed will always be there. But, in Try mode you can download and install a Preset and go crazy until the 20 minute timer stops. So, for absolutely free you can enjoy a truly amazing piece of technology. So, I feel OK sharing my enthusiasm for the sound quality of this app.

    I haven’t tested it yet but doing a set-up in AUM and saving the Project will re-start later with settings intact. Worth testing out, right? 20 minutes… reload the AUM Project. So, use the “test drive” and see how it feels. Now the test mode will leave some notes out but that’s a small issue to accept for the technology that’s exposed for the artist on a budget.

    Additionally, this cross platform licensing model that Modartt is pioneering (maybe Zenbeats is the true ground breaker) is hopefully embraced if the big dogs want to protect the current pricing models in the %500+ range for the really powerful library engines for example. VST/Plug-in collections too should consider this model. When the current user base discovers their license works on an iPad they will be overjoyed as the PianoTeq users are with this new platform accessible for free.

    Please TRY the TRY feature and share you’re questions and discoveries here.

  • heshes
    edited May 2023

    @McD said:
    There’s this seductive “Random” button that changes all the parameters with one push. Push, play… push play… stop! Save that one. Now, in Try mode you can’t keep what you save so the pressure to get licensed will always be there. But, in Try mode you can download and install a Preset and go crazy until the 20 minute timer stops. So, for absolutely free you can enjoy a truly amazing piece of technology. So, I feel OK sharing my enthusiasm for the sound quality of this app.

    Not sure I understand you . . . but, no, even in demo mode you can definitely save presets you've designed/modified yourself. No problem; no time pressure, save your changes and you can always reload in the next 20 minute session. Literally, the only difference between demo and licensed versions is the 20 minute time limit and the few disabled keys.

  • @hes said:

    @McD said:
    There’s this seductive “Random” button that changes all the parameters with one push. Push, play… push play… stop! Save that one. Now, in Try mode you can’t keep what you save so the pressure to get licensed will always be there. But, in Try mode you can download and install a Preset and go crazy until the 20 minute timer stops. So, for absolutely free you can enjoy a truly amazing piece of technology. So, I feel OK sharing my enthusiasm for the sound quality of this app.

    Not sure I understand you . . . but, no, even in demo mode you can definitely save presets you've designed/modified yourself. No problem; no time pressure, save your changes and you can always reload in the next 20 minute session. Literally, the only difference between demo and licensed versions is the 20 minute time limit and the few disabled keys.

    Ah, but the other difference is that demo mode does not include the free instruments you get with stage or any of the other licenses!

  • heshes
    edited May 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @hes said:

    @McD said:
    There’s this seductive “Random” button that changes all the parameters with one push. Push, play… push play… stop! Save that one. Now, in Try mode you can’t keep what you save so the pressure to get licensed will always be there. But, in Try mode you can download and install a Preset and go crazy until the 20 minute timer stops. So, for absolutely free you can enjoy a truly amazing piece of technology. So, I feel OK sharing my enthusiasm for the sound quality of this app.

    Not sure I understand you . . . but, no, even in demo mode you can definitely save presets you've designed/modified yourself. No problem; no time pressure, save your changes and you can always reload in the next 20 minute session. Literally, the only difference between demo and licensed versions is the 20 minute time limit and the few disabled keys.

    Ah, but the other difference is that demo mode does not include the free instruments you get with stage or any of the other licenses!

    Forgot about that, yeah, that's a difference. But it's not a difference in the app itself. If you can get somehow get ahold of the free instrument files you can load them. But you don't get access to them until you register and login and go to the download section of Modartt website. And it's not like not having access is a big omission. The demo gives you access to all of the paid instruments. I believe all of the free instruments, while good, are ones that were created with earlier versions of Pianoteq and aren't up to the quality level of the paid instruments.

  • @hes said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @hes said:

    @McD said:
    There’s this seductive “Random” button that changes all the parameters with one push. Push, play… push play… stop! Save that one. Now, in Try mode you can’t keep what you save so the pressure to get licensed will always be there. But, in Try mode you can download and install a Preset and go crazy until the 20 minute timer stops. So, for absolutely free you can enjoy a truly amazing piece of technology. So, I feel OK sharing my enthusiasm for the sound quality of this app.

    Not sure I understand you . . . but, no, even in demo mode you can definitely save presets you've designed/modified yourself. No problem; no time pressure, save your changes and you can always reload in the next 20 minute session. Literally, the only difference between demo and licensed versions is the 20 minute time limit and the few disabled keys.

    Ah, but the other difference is that demo mode does not include the free instruments you get with stage or any of the other licenses!

    Forgot about that, yeah, that's a difference. But it's not a difference in the app itself. If you can get somehow get ahold of the free instrument files you can load them. But you don't get access to them until you register and login and go to the download section of Modartt website. And it's not like not having access is a big omission. The demo gives you access to all of the paid instruments. I believe all of the free instruments, while good, are ones that were created with earlier versions of Pianoteq and aren't up to the quality level of the paid instruments.

    Yes, and you also don't get access to them until you have chosen your initial paid instruments, which is still a puzzler for me!

  • McDMcD
    edited May 2023

    @Gavinski said:
    Ah, but the other difference is that demo mode does not include the free instruments you get with stage or any of the other licenses!

    It just puts all 22 instrument packs into demo mode including any you might have purchased but that’s a small price to pay if you have no purchases, right? This is for the person without a ticket to ride the train to Baltimore.

    HUMOR ON

    There’s the:
    1. Glass half full type
    2. Glass half empty type
    3. And the type that mentions that the glass has water in it and fish pee in water… so.

    HUMOR OFF

  • @Gavinski said:
    Yes, and you also don't get access to them until you have chosen your initial paid instruments, which is still a puzzler for me!

    It’s the Ginzu Knife pitch: “Buy now and we’ll throw in this vegetable slicer absolutely free.”

    Wait… I need to test this free vegetable slicer before I’ll accept one for free.

    Don’t look a free instrument in the mouth. There are so few free instruments that I think they gave up on this strategy.
    They are pretty good IMHO if you only have a few to use without the missing notes of the demo set up.

  • McDMcD
    edited May 2023

    Can someone download this AUM project and report on the experience… it needs Rozeta LFO and Mozaic for the music to play:

    https://patchstorage.com/aleatoric-composer-v1-0/

  • Sorry I don't actually mean the demo modes that last 20 mins. I mean the free mode. But I think even in the 20 min demos you don't get access to the clavichord, etc, am I wrong?

    @McD said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Ah, but the other difference is that demo mode does not include the free instruments you get with stage or any of the other licenses!

    It just puts all 22 instrument packs into demo mode including any you might have purchased but that’s a small price to pay if you have no purchases, right? This is for the person without a ticket to ride the train to Baltimor

  • @Gavinski said:
    Sorry I don't actually mean the demo modes that last 20 mins. I mean the free mode. But I think even in the 20 min demos you don't get access to the clavichord, etc, am I wrong?

    Yes, you are wrong I think. I’ve been grabbing my wife’s iPad to test PianoTeq in the free mode with the Pro TRY enabled. I can download all my presets from the Modartt Forum and see what a
    Non-Paying user would experience. I also have tested the Random button to see what pops up in TRY mode. It’s great for someone without the cash to check this product out before buying at any level. I realize finding $129, $269, $399 or gulp $899 is a huge commitment and I’d check it out to see if it’s valuable for your workflow and aesthetic preferences.

    It’s pretty easy to make people want it but hard to help them find the cash or credit. Still, the demo/TRY mode is fun in itself, I think. @sonosaurus reported that he stayed with demo for about a year before buying Stage (or Standard, I forget now).

  • heshes
    edited May 2023

    @Gavinski said:
    Sorry I don't actually mean the demo modes that last 20 mins. I mean the free mode. But I think even in the 20 min demos you don't get access to the clavichord, etc, am I wrong?

    @McD said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Ah, but the other difference is that demo mode does not include the free instruments you get with stage or any of the other licenses!

    It just puts all 22 instrument packs into demo mode including any you might have purchased but that’s a small price to pay if you have no purchases, right? This is for the person without a ticket to ride the train to Baltimor

    I believe all the demos last 20 minutes even the default "free" Stage mode. It doesn't say it lasts 20 minutes, but initial popup tells you some keys are disabled and that it "will go silent after a while."

    And, yes, the free instrument packs are not available in any of the demos, as discussed. Only the paid instruments, and all of the paid ones, are available. And I don't think there's a clavichord in the paid instruments. There are Rhodes, Wurlitzers, clavinets, pianets, electra-pianos, harps, harpsichords, antique pianos, and more. But no clavichord.

  • It's now officially announced :

  • McDMcD
    edited May 2023

    OK. I’d expect they have released their massive marketing organization on social media.
    Now, Google might point a whole new handful of lurkers here so please be on your best behavior.
    They will have so many newbie questions so be ready with pointers to the Wiki:

    What is this AUM of which you speak?

  • The midi-guitarist sees the power of PianoTeq8 for confusing the audience:

  • @McD said:
    The midi-guitarist sees the power of PianoTeq8 for confusing the audience:

    It sounds better than my old GR-55!

  • List of ios equivalents to the keyboard shortcuts:

    Ctrl+Click (Windows), Command+Click (MacOS) or Long Click on any slider triggers MIDI learn (e.g. Next preset),

    Long touch on iOS.

    Clicking on any slider while holding Shift allows fine adjustment,

    Perpendicular movement with respect to the slider works also for fine adjustment.

    Holding the Shift key while moving a control point on a curve allows fine adjustment,

    Not available on touch devices.

    Drag 'n drop FXP, MIDI and PTQ files onto the main interface in order to use them,

    Works.

    Long Left-Click, Right-Click (Windows) or Shift+Click (MacOS) on Next/Previous preset changes to Next/Previous instrument,
    Long Left-Click, Right-Click (Windows) or Shift+Click (MacOS) on Random button triggers a slight randomization,
    Long Left-Click, Right-Click (Windows) or Shift+Click (MacOS) on A/B button shows a list of differences between preset A/B in a pop-up window,

    Works with long touch.

    Alt+Enter or Alt+Click resets a slider to its default value, Shift+Alt+Enter or Shift+Alt+Click to swap the values,

    Use double-touch to show a pop-up dialogue where this is available.

    Long Left-Click, or Right-Click on the parameter freeze checkbox toggles the feature.

    Works with long touch.

    Most of these are mentioned in the tooltips by the way.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @hes said:
    I haven't been able to get the automatic midi recording working at all. Has anybody gotten this to work? It's a feature in the standalone mode only.

    I've tried with free demo version on one iPad and with licensed Standard version on another. Neither of them seem to be recording anything, despite 'Automatic Recording' being enabled in Midi Archiving Settings. Works fine on my desktop version, so I have some idea of how it should work.

    Maybe contact their support? Did the Tonality dev not bring out an app for retrospective midi recording some time ago btw? I remember it had a beta version but don't actually remember any release.

    Following on from this Hes, Niclas from modartt got back to me and says that although this is not available in ios auv3, it is available in standalone, so if you're having trouble with it, contact him maybe!

  • @Gavinski said:

    @hes said:
    I haven't been able to get the automatic midi recording working at all. Has anybody gotten this to work? It's a feature in the standalone mode only.

    I've tried with free demo version on one iPad and with licensed Standard version on another. Neither of them seem to be recording anything, despite 'Automatic Recording' being enabled in Midi Archiving Settings. Works fine on my desktop version, so I have some idea of how it should work.

    Maybe contact their support? Did the Tonality dev not bring out an app for retrospective midi recording some time ago btw? I remember it had a beta version but don't actually remember any release.

    Following on from this Hes, Niclas from modartt got back to me and says that although this is not available in ios auv3, it is available in standalone, so if you're having trouble with it, contact him maybe!

  • edited May 2023

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  • @hes - I just checked by the way, and midi recording seems to be working in standalone. But seems you need to press the record button in the app’s transport bar?

  • Been digging deep into the manual for this today. I really have to take my hat off to Pianoteq. The level of detail both in the app itself and in the manual is exemplary. I will be surprised if this doesn’t turn out to be the most exciting release of the year for me, by a long road.

  • @Gavinski said:
    @hes - I just checked by the way, and midi recording seems to be working in standalone. But seems you need to press the record button in the app’s transport bar?

    Just checked that. Yes, I can get it to record that way, but that's not automatic recording. It just records everything until you stop it.

    Automatic recording happens with 'record' off, and results in it automatically recording literally everything and splitting the midi into separate files whenever you have pause of greater than 20 seconds or so.

  • @hes said:

    @Gavinski said:
    @hes - I just checked by the way, and midi recording seems to be working in standalone. But seems you need to press the record button in the app’s transport bar?

    Just checked that. Yes, I can get it to record that way, but that's not automatic recording. It just records everything until you stop it.

    Automatic recording happens with 'record' off, and results in it automatically recording literally everything and splitting the midi into separate files whenever you have pause of greater than 20 seconds or so.

    Yes - that definitely doesn’t seem to be working

  • Is there a way to enlarge the guitar fretboard in guitar mode?

  • @Gavinski said:
    Is there a way to enlarge the guitar fretboard in guitar mode?

    this was requested in beta and is being considered.

  • edited May 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @hes said:

    @Gavinski said:
    @hes - I just checked by the way, and midi recording seems to be working in standalone. But seems you need to press the record button in the app’s transport bar?

    Just checked that. Yes, I can get it to record that way, but that's not automatic recording. It just records everything until you stop it.

    Automatic recording happens with 'record' off, and results in it automatically recording literally everything and splitting the midi into separate files whenever you have pause of greater than 20 seconds or so.

    Yes - that definitely doesn’t seem to be working

    Automatic recording works on my 2 iPads in standalone mode. Note that, as stated in the help file, it works only when playing on a connected external MIDI keyboard.

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