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Pianoteq 8 is now on the AppStore

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  • GavinskiGavinski

    Thnx for clarifying guys

  • GavinskiGavinski

    What is this ‘L’? Didn’t see it in the manual, thanks

  • SynthiSynthi

    @Gavinski said:
    What is this ‘L’? Didn’t see it in the manual, thanks

    A limiter!

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Ah, thnx Synthi!

    @Synthi said:

    @Gavinski said:
    What is this ‘L’? Didn’t see it in the manual, thanks

    A limiter!

    Ah! Thnx Synthi!

  • GavinskiGavinski

    I will make a fairly detailed vid on pianoteq with a giveaway shortly by the way - a free copy of Stage or a free instrument.

    Just before I make it, I'm interested to get a bit of feedback from people.

    What do you like most about pianoteq?

    Anything you don't really like?

    Cheers!

  • heshes

    @zvon said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @hes said:

    @Gavinski said:
    @hes - I just checked by the way, and midi recording seems to be working in standalone. But seems you need to press the record button in the app’s transport bar?

    Just checked that. Yes, I can get it to record that way, but that's not automatic recording. It just records everything until you stop it.

    Automatic recording happens with 'record' off, and results in it automatically recording literally everything and splitting the midi into separate files whenever you have pause of greater than 20 seconds or so.

    Yes - that definitely doesn’t seem to be working

    Automatic recording works on my 2 iPads in standalone mode. Note that, as stated in the help file, it works only when playing on a connected external MIDI keyboard.

    Ah, thank you! That explains it: RTFM. I just tested with Pianoteq as standalone and playing it from AUM using AUM's virtual keyboard. Works as expected.

    Now I'm wondering where the recorded midi files get saved. The text on Midi Archiving Settings page says they get saved in the 'Archive' folder. But I can't find any Archive folder, either in Pianoteq folder accessible in 'On My iPad' on Files App, or in the internal location where Pianoteq stores Presets (accessible by clicking little folder icon next to 'All Banks' at bottom right corner of preset management page).

    Not super important, I guess, because the Midi Player's dropdown menu gives you ability to save any recording to iPad's user accessible filesystem But strange. I think I read Modartt plans to do some work on exposing internal files.

  • LinearLinemanLinearLineman
    edited May 2023

    @realdawei said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @realdawei said:

    @Polyphonix said:

    @realdawei said:
    Been looking for good steel drums 🇹🇹for decades…this could be it

    Not available for iOS but probably the best steel pan library yet, produced by Andy Narell:
    https://synthandsoftware.com/2022/04/andy-narell-steel-pans-the-ellie-mannette-collection/

    ooo beautiful thanks !!!

    Better than the Pianoteq one?

    didn’t buy the Ilio/Andy Narell one (yet)…but the one in Pianoteq is remarkable — and iPad compatible 🤔

    Amazing. I taught Andy Narell in Queens, NY when he was 14 and I was 16. He had just appeared on Ed Sullivan with his group The Steel Bandits. He wanted to learn about chords and jazz. Lol, I didn’t have much to offer, but I did my best.

    @johnfromberkeley have you considered the U4 upright just to confuse things more?
    I’m thinking about it along with the Petrof. I can see I’ll have to buy one or two more of these, including the Classical Guitar.

  • LinearLinemanLinearLineman

    @McD said:

    @Polyphonix said:

    @hes said:

    @Polyphonix said:
    . . . it's about the best and most realistic acoustic instrument simulating sound generators. So I feel such a suggestion is a bit out of place because it doesn't do justice to the high end sound quality theme we are dedicated to here.

    :smiley: LOL, have you ever been here before?

    You are referring to the AB forum in general? ☺️ Because this statement of mine refers just to this Pianoteq thread.

    You think we’re safe here to adore the really good toys. I guess buying a $900 software product (with a $26 discount) is a rejection of my $10 rule for purchasing. After several years of “meh” purchases I just wanted something to really get the juices flowing but how will I put them Genie back in the bottle. “How can you keep them down on the farm after they’ve seen Paris?”

    Partially, my change is attitude is due to my facing down the barrel of my imminent mortality… with imminent being 5-20 years.

    Time is the precious commodity.

    Lol, @McD you’re making your actuarial tables up on the fly. More realistic for you is 1-30 years.
    Anything can happen, bro. Get all the shit you want now.

  • LinearLinemanLinearLineman

    @McD said:
    The midi-guitarist sees the power of PianoTeq8 for confusing the audience:

    Wow, Jesus has come for electric guitarists! Could you do this eith Ravenscroft? I think so.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Also btw, if any good pianists here would like to send me any nice midi files they think demo any particular instrument well, if I use it in the video I'll be happy to mention you by name, put a link to your socials or whatever 🔥

  • Paulo164Paulo164

    @Gavinski said:
    I will make a fairly detailed vid on pianoteq with a giveaway shortly by the way - a free copy of Stage or a free instrument.

    Just before I make it, I'm interested to get a bit of feedback from people.

    What do you like most about pianoteq?

    Anything you don't really like?

    Cheers!

    Like you I read the whole user manual.
    For those still discovering the product, I understand that the “Equalizer” (not the “EQ3” of the FX section) is a kind of EQ acting directly on the physical model. For me it is the setting impacting the most the tone of the instrument and is available with the Stage license. Don’t miss to try it.
    Honestly, there is nothing I really don’t like. As a pianist, I am a bit surprised that note off velocity doesn’t impact the release noise volume (at least this is my impression and nothing mentions it in the manual) but appart from that, everything is a pleasure to the eyes and ears.

  • DavidEnglishDavidEnglish

    @Gavinski said:
    Also btw, if any good pianists here would like to send me any nice midi files they think demo any particular instrument well, if I use it in the video I'll be happy to mention you by name, put a link to your socials or whatever 🔥

    Here's a good site for classical piano MIDI files: http://www.piano-midi.de/.

    The Chopin (http://www.piano-midi.de/chopin.htm), Debussy (http://www.piano-midi.de/debuss.htm), and Mozart (http://www.piano-midi.de/mozart.htm) sections are well worth exploring.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @DavidEnglish said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Also btw, if any good pianists here would like to send me any nice midi files they think demo any particular instrument well, if I use it in the video I'll be happy to mention you by name, put a link to your socials or whatever 🔥

    Here's a good site for classical piano MIDI files: http://www.piano-midi.de/.

    The Chopin (http://www.piano-midi.de/chopin.htm), Debussy (http://www.piano-midi.de/debuss.htm), and Mozart (http://www.piano-midi.de/mozart.htm) sections are well worth exploring.

    Thanks David! - I don't think I've checked that one out, I still think it might be interesting to get some original material if anyone is game, preferably something in the ambient / jazzy / experimental vein, with a range of velocities, preferably more in the lower to mid velocity ranges and that might sound good with some amount of sustain pedal.

    @Paulo164 said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I will make a fairly detailed vid on pianoteq with a giveaway shortly by the way - a free copy of Stage or a free instrument.

    Just before I make it, I'm interested to get a bit of feedback from people.

    What do you like most about pianoteq?

    Anything you don't really like?

    Cheers!

    Like you I read the whole user manual.
    For those still discovering the product, I understand that the “Equalizer” (not the “EQ3” of the FX section) is a kind of EQ acting directly on the physical model. For me it is the setting impacting the most the tone of the instrument and is available with the Stage license. Don’t miss to try it.
    Honestly, there is nothing I really don’t like. As a pianist, I am a bit surprised that note off velocity doesn’t impact the release noise volume (at least this is my impression and nothing mentions it in the manual) but appart from that, everything is a pleasure to the eyes and ears.

    Hey Paulo, do you mean the first 7 harmonics you get control over? Yes that can make a huge difference to the tone.

  • heshes
    edited May 2023

    @Paulo164 said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I will make a fairly detailed vid on pianoteq with a giveaway shortly by the way - a free copy of Stage or a free instrument.

    Just before I make it, I'm interested to get a bit of feedback from people.

    What do you like most about pianoteq?

    Anything you don't really like?

    Cheers!

    Honestly, there is nothing I really don’t like. As a pianist, I am a bit surprised that note off velocity doesn’t impact the release noise volume (at least this is my impression and nothing mentions it in the manual) but appart from that, everything is a pleasure to the eyes and ears.

    This is what a Pianoteq rep said about 'Key Release Noise' and Note Off velocity on Modartt forums:

     In fact the level difference depends also on how long was the Note ON. 
If you play shorter notes, you will hear a more important difference when the 
Note Off velocity varies. The difference decreases on longer notes. 
This is due to a compromise made to take into account keyboards which 
send constant Note OFF messages.

BTW you can notice that directly with your MIDI file by playing it at velocity x3 (or x10).

    https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=9621

    So could be you don't like how they've modeled it, and it doesn't seem to allow for adjustment.

    I wonder whether control you want could be gotten by having a midi filter translate velocity in Note Off messages to a CC message instead, and adding a Pteq midi setting to have that CC modulate the 'Key Release Noise' parameter.

  • DavidEnglishDavidEnglish
    edited May 2023

    If anyone is looking for more MIDI files to try out, the Standford University Piano Roll Archive has converted more than 15,000 piano and organ rolls into MIDI files. Here's the link: https://supra.stanford.edu/.

    This is the MIDI file for Chopin's Polonaise op. 44, fis-Moll, as performed by the famous classical pianist Josef Hofmann: https://github.com/pianoroll/SUPRA/blob/master/welte-red/midi-exp/qq244fh1388_exp.mid?raw=true. It plays especially well on Pianoteq's C. Bechstein DG Prelude piano.

  • Paulo164Paulo164

    @Gavinski said:
    Hey Paulo, do you mean the first 7 harmonics you get control over? Yes that can make a huge difference to the tone.

    No sure… I am referring to this setting :

    Maybe you are referring to this one :

    …which is available only with the Standard license.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Yes I'm referring to that one. That's a pretty cool one to have control over. > @Paulo164 said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Hey Paulo, do you mean the first 7 harmonics you get control over? Yes that can make a huge difference to the tone.

    No sure… I am referring to this setting :

    Maybe you are referring to this one :

    …which is available only with the Standard license.

  • Paulo164Paulo164

    @hes said:

    @Paulo164 said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I will make a fairly detailed vid on pianoteq with a giveaway shortly by the way - a free copy of Stage or a free instrument.

    Just before I make it, I'm interested to get a bit of feedback from people.

    What do you like most about pianoteq?

    Anything you don't really like?

    Cheers!

    Honestly, there is nothing I really don’t like. As a pianist, I am a bit surprised that note off velocity doesn’t impact the release noise volume (at least this is my impression and nothing mentions it in the manual) but appart from that, everything is a pleasure to the eyes and ears.

    This is what a Pianoteq rep said about 'Key Release Noise' and Note Off velocity on Modartt forums:

     In fact the level difference depends also on how long was the Note ON. 
If you play shorter notes, you will hear a more important difference when the 
Note Off velocity varies. The difference decreases on longer notes. 
This is due to a compromise made to take into account keyboards which 
send constant Note OFF messages.

BTW you can notice that directly with your MIDI file by playing it at velocity x3 (or x10).

    https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=9621

    So could be you don't like how they've modeled it, and it doesn't seem to allow for adjustment.

    I wonder whether control you want could be gotten by having a midi filter translate velocity in Note Off messages to a CC message instead, and adding a Pteq midi setting to have that CC modulate the 'Key Release Noise' parameter.

    Oh, thank you ! Very valuable.
    I wouldn’t have found the patience to search for this precise information.

    So I understand it takes into account a mix of note off velocity and note on duration.
    It’s okay for me but I think they could have implemented 2 modes :

    • one with note off velocity guessed from note on duration (current mode)
    • one with the real note off velocity retained for release noise (for keyboards supporting note off velocity)

    Your suggestion to convert note off velocity into CC message is very good (and easy to do in Streambyter)
    However, my fear is that as soon as the note off is sent, the release noise is triggered. So we should also delay the note off event from 1ms in order to send the CC before. Just a note to myself… 😚

  • Paulo164Paulo164

    @Gavinski said:
    Yes I'm referring to that one. That's a pretty cool one to have control over.

    Yes, surely ! I haven’t tried it yet, sticking for now to the demo version.

    The “Equalizer” allows also to alter the partials values but in a different way :

    I find it cool to have this activated for the Stage license.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Paulo164 said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Yes I'm referring to that one. That's a pretty cool one to have control over.

    Yes, surely ! I haven’t tried it yet, sticking for now to the demo version.

    The “Equalizer” allows also to alter the partials values but in a different way :

    I find it cool to have this activated for the Stage license.

    Remember you can reactivate the standard and pro demos as many times as you like! Just need to close either the standalone, or the host app if using as auv3, then you get another 20 mins. Rinse and repeat!

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @Gavinski said:
    I will make a fairly detailed vid on pianoteq with a giveaway shortly by the way - a free copy of Stage or a free instrument.

    Just before I make it, I'm interested to get a bit of feedback from people.

    What do you like most about pianoteq?

    Anything you don't really like?

    Cheers!

    Honestly my favorite thing about it is how otherworldly you can make these instruments sounds. Adjusting the wear of the instrument, the attack, and adding effects. Just that alone I’ve been able to transform pianos into noise basically lol. I’m really surprised at how much I love this app. It’s one of the first things I go to now.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    Yeah man, I'm caning it! So so great! > @HotStrange said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I will make a fairly detailed vid on pianoteq with a giveaway shortly by the way - a free copy of Stage or a free instrument.

    Just before I make it, I'm interested to get a bit of feedback from people.

    What do you like most about pianoteq?

    Anything you don't really like?

    Cheers!

    Honestly my favorite thing about it is how otherworldly you can make these instruments sounds. Adjusting the wear of the instrument, the attack, and adding effects. Just that alone I’ve been able to transform pianos into noise basically lol. I’m really surprised at how much I love this app. It’s one of the first things I go to now.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @Gavinski said:
    Yeah man, I'm caning it! So so great! > @HotStrange said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I will make a fairly detailed vid on pianoteq with a giveaway shortly by the way - a free copy of Stage or a free instrument.

    Just before I make it, I'm interested to get a bit of feedback from people.

    What do you like most about pianoteq?

    Anything you don't really like?

    Cheers!

    Honestly my favorite thing about it is how otherworldly you can make these instruments sounds. Adjusting the wear of the instrument, the attack, and adding effects. Just that alone I’ve been able to transform pianos into noise basically lol. I’m really surprised at how much I love this app. It’s one of the first things I go to now.

    It really is. Only downside is it’s hard to go back to apps like Pure Piano now but until I buy the full version I have to because I need the full keyboard for some things.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @HotStrange said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Yeah man, I'm caning it! So so great! > @HotStrange said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I will make a fairly detailed vid on pianoteq with a giveaway shortly by the way - a free copy of Stage or a free instrument.

    Just before I make it, I'm interested to get a bit of feedback from people.

    What do you like most about pianoteq?

    Anything you don't really like?

    Cheers!

    Honestly my favorite thing about it is how otherworldly you can make these instruments sounds. Adjusting the wear of the instrument, the attack, and adding effects. Just that alone I’ve been able to transform pianos into noise basically lol. I’m really surprised at how much I love this app. It’s one of the first things I go to now.

    It really is. Only downside is it’s hard to go back to apps like Pure Piano now but until I buy the full version I have to because I need the full keyboard for some things.

    Pure Piano can't even remotely compete, imo, yes

  • heshes

    @Paulo164 said:
    However, my fear is that as soon as the note off is sent, the release noise is triggered. So we should also delay the note off event from 1ms in order to send the CC before. Just a note to myself… 😚

    I was wondering same thing, and whether it could quickly alter volume after trigger of release noise. But your idea to insert CC 1ms before would preclude worrying about that. Curious to hear if that works for you.

  • realdaweirealdawei

    will have to retract my previous decade of disdain for pianoteq….this thing is damn good

  • VoytecGVoytecG

    Greetings to the forum, and I confess that in the topic of Pianoteq 8 I got a little lost.
    So: I am assuming that I want an Electric Piano pack. For this I need to purchase the Stage version as a minimum. Right?
    And now the question: if I do this, what can I tweak in this Stage Electric Piano pack version?

  • heshes
    edited May 2023

    @VoytecG said:
    Greetings to the forum, and I confess that in the topic of Pianoteq 8 I got a little lost.
    So: I am assuming that I want an Electric Piano pack. For this I need to purchase the Stage version as a minimum. Right?
    And now the question: if I do this, what can I tweak in this Stage Electric Piano pack version?

    Yes, your purchase of Stage version includes two free instrument packs. I could answer the rest, but really it's probably easier and better if you just download the demo. It's free, small (50MB?), and it's identical to the paid version, except (1) it goes silent and you need to close/reopen after 20 minutes, and (2) it has a few black keys disabled. It allows you to demo all the paid instruments with no other restrictions. The default mode of the demo is Stage, but you can also switch it to 'Standard' or 'Pro' versions to compare the features. It also makes no difference whether you download to iOS device from app store, or download desktop version on Windows/Mac/Linux. They're all basically identical.

  • Paulo164Paulo164

    @realdawei said:
    will have to retract my previous decade of disdain for pianoteq….this thing is damn good

    Ah ! I will not unbury our last exchange about you never ever buying PianoTeq 😉
    Sorry, I couldn’t help. Nothing wrong I hope.
    And happy that you may have changed your mind !

  • Paulo164Paulo164

    @Gavinski said:

    @Paulo164 said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Yes I'm referring to that one. That's a pretty cool one to have control over.

    Yes, surely ! I haven’t tried it yet, sticking for now to the demo version.

    The “Equalizer” allows also to alter the partials values but in a different way :

    I find it cool to have this activated for the Stage license.

    Remember you can reactivate the standard and pro demos as many times as you like! Just need to close either the standalone, or the host app if using as auv3, then you get another 20 mins. Rinse and repeat!

    Ah really ? Thank you !
    I read so many times that the 20 minutes limit was cumulative from session to session. That’s a very good news (and really generous from Modartt).

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