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Are there people still hesitating about which instrument packs to choose ?
I propose to organize a new « 2023 best piano app competition », like we did in 2022 (or 2021 I can’t remember) between Korg Ivory, Ravenscroft and Pure Piano.
This time, only between PianoTeq grand pianos.
The idea would be to pick a preset in each instrument, tune them so that they sound as close as possible to each other (EQ, reverb, …) and render a short midi file.
What’s the point to make them sounds the same?
Best to choose one preset in every pianomodell to record thru a nice midi file…
@tja ran a wonderful Piano Competition spanning weeks of effort and laborious data collection. In the end, the free Salamander Piano has the right juju. I’ll bet the free pianos at Soundfonts4u could give PianoTeq a run for it’s money
In a blind listening test.
In the last few years Modartt has run out of world class pianos to model so they started adding Harps, Tuned Percussion and Guitars. I’m really hoping they keep pushing out new instruments to get another round of funding from their users at $50 a pop.
Picking 2 instruments to go along with the Stage level or 3 with the Standard level is really a subjective process. Most sit on the fence because they want 5-8 packages and don’t want to spend the extra $100-300 to get them.
Around sales events the prices will drop by 15-20%.
These serious piano players on the Modartt forum rate the Petrof as the best collection for all around piano uses and they are a mix of home enthusiasts and professional musicians that use a controller with a computer for work and recording.
The Steinway D is a very close 2nd choice but I doubt someone getting 2 would skip adding E-Pianos for professional purposes as their 2nd choice.
If I could only get 2 I’d look carefully for a Piano with a “felt” preset that worked for me and then I’d get the guitars because I have excellent E-Piano products already. I can’t find an excellent Felt piano in the usual AUv3 products or SF2 freebies.
Personally, I love an extreme felt dampening that makes the piano a really percussive world instrument. The “Petrof Mistral Felt II” gets pretty close and being able to tweak the Soundboard and Hammer Hardness settings can make it sound like a Kalimba or Gamelon. I think you need standard to access those controls and have them last more than 20 minutes at a time.
Tweaking, layering and morphing can produce instruments you won’t see for sale (Calliope, Harmonica, music boxes, etc) or even in the real world… something more like a Moog synth patch.
Here’s a sampling of the Petrof Mistral Felt II after tweaking… note you will hear a lot of mechanical noises that I could have turned off completely in the settings so don’t let that throw you off if this a a type of piano sound you want like I did:
These are the settings I tweaked:
Necessary for me to retain and compare only the inner qualities of a piano. I can’t judge if a piano with “lots of bass” is better than a piano with “lots of trebles”. Both could be from the exact same instrument in fact.
So the idea is to judge instruments/models, not presets. A very pianistic approach I confess.
Always wanted a piano that sounded like Jon Hopkin’s Abandon Window track. Pianoteq is the closest I’ve got.
I find it kind of amusing and/or strange that people often ask for advice about which Pianoteq instrument packs to choose. I mean, you've got all of them in the demo and can listen to them to your heart's content. And yet, it seems to be an extremely common thing to ask for help, presumably to accept the opinion of someone else's ears over your own.
I think it may be an example of the "paradox of choice", where too many options to choose among becomes paralyzing. Or some other cognitive behavioral snafu, I don't know.
But I would urge people: You can listen to them all you want. Choose the one you like.
I saw it mentioned in a different thread, but I think it deserves more attention: there's a 20% discount available by purchasing any Pianoteq product license at jrrshop.com by using the discount code "group".
Paradox of choice is one of the reasons I ended up going for the Studio version with all of them. It was just too annoying to keep thinking about which pack I wanted and constantly comparing them.
What I like about @Paulo164 ’s idea is that I find it disruptive to pause my playing, and switch between presets to hear something else. Just sitting and listening, without the distraction of clicking through the UI to a new model of equivalent preset type, would be helpful. Also, I found myself very reluctant to admit that I didn’t like the way the NY Model D sounded, because that is one of the most popular pianos around. Seeing the name was affecting my judgement, I’m sure a blind listening test would be helpful to people, like me, who have this psycho local block/distraction at times.
It would really need a few diverse types of playing style in the midi input. The reason it's hard to choose is that different ones are more suitable for different music styles, moods etc, and also for what will fit well at any given time with other instruments in a mix etc. But yeah I agree the steinberg ny D is not the best probably, actually the hamburg model sounds nicer to me, love the petrov mistral and the steingraeber and bluethner have their place. As does the k2, the upright, the y5 and well,all of them 😂
Yeah, they do all have their strengths. I think I’ve finally narrowed it down to 2 favorites: K2 and Ant Petrof; but I was hoping to only buys one piano model, and either steel pans or a harp with my stage purchase. The problem is, one piano sounds much better solo to me, and the other cuts through better in my mixes so far.
So are they saying Petrof is the best piano or the most versatile? I feel like Model D would be the most versatile but I don’t know nearly as much as they do. Imo, the Model B has the best felt piano sound. To my ears anyway. And that’s the model I’m leaning heavily towards at the moment. What’s your thoughts on B vs D?
So you got the whole shebang huh? I can’t do that unfortunately but I have considered it tbh. I love the way the Petrof sounds but it’s almost a bit too mellow. To my ears, the Steinway B is the best sounding and it also has the best felt piano, imo. I’m still trying to parse out what piano I’ll end up getting but that’s in the lead right now. I know people swear by the Model D but it’s just not my favorite of the bunch.
The only 2 packs I’m not wavering from are the Tines and Hohner. It’s just the damn pianos that are killing me 😂
And if you wait for a modarrt sale the jrr code still works (also try the code FORUM, sometimes one code works out to a slightly higher discount than the other). I paid about $80 for pianoteq stage this past Christmas season.
Modarrt also offers a 40% academic discount to students and teachers, so if anyone qualifies for that you may want to buy I that way.
Speaking of Petrof, I am working with a piano teacher in NYC to produce his online jazz theory lessons. We used pianoteq for the whole thing, and to hear pianoteq played by a great player is very cool!
This week, he had me help him with getting his YouTube page up and running. One of the videos we uploaded was a clip of him with the Glenn Mlller Orchestra in 1982 and he’s playing a Petrof in this clip (he also looks like Howard Stern from that same time period, but I digress!)
For anyone super-interested in the Petrof vs. Steinway D comparison there's an interesting video where a guy compares them. He says the Petrof is like a race-car, you just barely press down and it goes, whereas the Steinway is something you need to dig into, lean in and massage it, to bring out the best sound. He says this is typical of European vs. American pianos.
I expect if you want to be true to this difference with the Pianoteq emulations, you'd make sure to have velocity curve on the Petrof that makes you play with a very sensitive keyboard, super-responsive to even light touches. And for the Steinway, a curve that requires more force and effort to get high velocity from your keypresses.
The video can be accessed on this page, section I'm talking about starts at about 4:30 in:
https://livingpianos.com/steinway-vs-petrof-concert-grand-pianos/
There’s a lot of reasons I always look for advice from others to augment my ears.
Firstly because I’ve lived with my ears long enough to be skeptical of them. Getting some other ears involved always ends up with better results than when I only trust my own.
For piano in particular, I don’t have the experience to know what all to try when using my own ears. I may think one sounds better based on the things I think to try, but then once I need to play it in a different register or something, maybe it won’t sound better. Together, we get to leverage everyone’s experience. And, I want to try to make the best choice for where I’m going, not just where I am.
And context is a big thing too. Knowing which pianos work best in specific contexts helps me consider things I might not have considered on my own.
So, yeah…in the end I had to depend on my own ears…but not my own ears alone.
Yes, that’s the paradox of the sticker on the wine bottle. Your brain could not judge badly a Château Petrus, even if the wine has been switched with another more common wine.
I get perfectly your point here. This is thanks to Modartt’s too perfect trial mode 😅
However and just to avoid any confusion, I have no problem to choose a piano pack by myself. I think here we are more in the “wine testing” approach, to discuss the qualities of different pianos and also a way for virtual piano purists/enthusiasts to celebrate the long awaited arrival of PianoTeq on iOS 😊
After weeks of using Pianoteq on iPAD, I’m pretty sure that Petrof sounds best in my taste…
No 2, Bechstein…
Pretty good clip! Nice piano solo. Do you happen to know if that is Snooky Young in the trumpet section? Kind of looks like him from a distance.
Currenty I’m liking the Petrof in Pianoteq8 the best for solo piano, but Steinway D for with other instruments.
Still confirming in the long run but I think we may have the same taste.
You see, I try to customize the other grand models, trying to make them sound as close as possible to the Petrof+Bechstein I love, just to be sure it’s not just a matter of settings. It would be a pity for me to miss the « right » model just because not configured properly to my ears 🙂
Do the 20 minute demos still include the note restrictions?
Yes.
A new video comparing the best piano app on iOS with the newly released PianoTeq.
Certainly the best comparison video so far, as the guy is a very good pianist and seems to know his stuff :
Apparently, the BeatHawk grand piano is quite underrated as he seems to rank it just behind Ravenscroft.
Don't have time to watch this but would u be assuming rightly that ultimately he gives pianoteq the number one spot?
Aah…. You would not want me to spoil the conclusion ?! 😉
Okay, you are right.
In a brief remark, he concedes 1 small point to Ravenscroft over one of the PTQ models regarding releases in bass notes.
The preparation of the mind is powerful. If you are blindfolded and I give you a glass and tell you it's milk (but in reality it's orange juice), when you drink the "milk", even if it's a delicious orange juice, your natural reaction will be to spit off your drink.