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Ableton Push 3 Standalone released !!!

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  • echooperaechoopera
    edited September 2023

    Push 3 | A Slice of an Observation

    The Push3 is a wonderful thing.

    I just had a transcendental and moving experience with it for over an hour. I was in the zone with it and the Deluge and P3 native Drumkits…it’s exactly what I’ve been searching for.

    You have to love using Ableton Live in order to get the most out of it.

    Simpler slicing and Warping is just so good.

    It sounds phenomenal on the hardware. Like having Serato in hardware.

    I’ve heard the OctaTrack, Tracker, MPC One, SP404mk2 and the M+ and they all sound subpar in the sound warping department.

    I was dropping audio tracks -16 semitones and they sounded buttery smooth.

    And those were multilayered sounds with drums and melodies baked in. I then sliced them up for magically new directions.

    It’s like the Push3 just allowed me to focus on the sound i wanted in order to create the vibe i was going to discover during the process of creating music.

    I’ve only ever achieved this flow state on the laptop. Having arrived to this sacred space with Hardware was a revelation and exactly what I’ve been searching for with an instrument.

    Happy Camper Pushing forward 👊🏼🎚️

  • JumpercollinsJumpercollins

  • echooperaechoopera

    This was a great video. Thanks for posting it @Jumpercollins

  • JumpercollinsJumpercollins

    @echoopera said:
    This was a great video. Thanks for posting it @Jumpercollins

    @echoopera Did think of your recent purchase and setup when I spotted Nick had posted it.
    Simon Stokes actually put a longer video out on his own channel covering the Push not sure it covers the same ground looks more like a release overview.

    https://www.youtube.com/live/LoHDeJmYSQQ?si=1ZO2OynFnD0nqJRy

  • echooperaechoopera
    edited October 2023

    Finally got everything set up the way i imagined and am loving it:

    Here’s my first little groove from this perfect union:

    https://on.soundcloud.com/Xr97V8ZQ89qydoqQA

    Having Simpler in StandAlone is seriously fun.

  • drezdrez

    @echoopera oh yeah. Man that is so clean. Really nice work. Looks like a very fun setup. Is the deluge as cool as it looks?

  • echooperaechoopera
    edited October 2023

    @drez said:
    @echoopera oh yeah. Man that is so clean. Really nice work. Looks like a very fun setup. Is the deluge as cool as it looks?

    Many thanks.

    Yep. The Deluge is everything i hoped it would be.

    Btw, i picked these up recently and they run great on the Push:
    https://cdm.link/2023/09/sonic-beds-ableton-live-pack/

    https://elphnt.io/store/gen/

  • echooperaechoopera

    Saturday Night Groove for the Push 3 Gang:

  • Danny_MammyDanny_Mammy
    edited October 2023

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    to the small group of Push 3 owners here i notice a funny little bug with using the MPE control device (looks like a M4L device which comes with live) and the pads, i had one pad not working so well compared to the others..... oooohh no! then i notice i restarted Live and it seems ok. I will keep an eye on it and keep Ableton involved. so i guess if you get a pad issue try a restart of push and live before total panic.

    unfortunately, in my case it was not software, I had a hardware fault with the pad slide on a few pads, looks like the bottom row is the one to watch out for.

    I now received a second push 3 and the same pad slide issue on the first row of pads, specifically the first pad on the first row (A1 in a chess layout) . I have now got a refund.

    So deeply disappointed as I love this machine but it's very expensive so I just can't keep gambling (or wasting time) on a good unit to arrive.

    I would say that you must double check the first row of pads very carefully for slide issues.

    So, after some months I decided to try again with push 3 as i love the unit, unfortunately I have the same issue. it must be a design issue with the bottom row pads, maybe not enough sensor space on that bottom row, as its the lower values of slide that are Wibberley wobbly. Exactly the same issue as my other 2 faulty units, all the pads are rock solid on slide control except the bottom row.

    i will return it, no chance i will try again unless i see some rev 2/manufacturing update of push 3 noticed by people on the internet.

  • TarekithTarekith

    Thats too bad, sure seems to be a lot of Push 3 duds out there. 😭

  • auxmuxauxmux

    That's disappointing. I had almost convinced myself to get one, but now will definitely wait or pass. :/

  • Danny_MammyDanny_Mammy

    @Tarekith said:
    Thats too bad, sure seems to be a lot of Push 3 duds out there. 😭

    yep, its breaking my heart, just made some lovely music on it too but have to return it.

  • scrapescrape

    Damn

  • echooperaechoopera

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @Tarekith said:
    Thats too bad, sure seems to be a lot of Push 3 duds out there. 😭

    yep, its breaking my heart, just made some lovely music on it too but have to return it.

    Hmm...if you truly 'love' it just have them replace it...otherwise you might be pining for it for a long time...but of course, having that cash back is always good too :)

  • Danny_MammyDanny_Mammy

    @echoopera said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @Tarekith said:
    Thats too bad, sure seems to be a lot of Push 3 duds out there. 😭

    yep, its breaking my heart, just made some lovely music on it too but have to return it.

    Hmm...if you truly 'love' it just have them replace it...otherwise you might be pining for it for a long time...but of course, having that cash back is always good too :)

    This is my third unit already.

  • KorakiosKorakios
    edited October 2023

    Akai did a smart move hitting the price gap

    although a used Push2 might be a better choice

    APC64 is just a controller with some basic sequencing abilities as standalone

  • echooperaechoopera

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @echoopera said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @Tarekith said:
    Thats too bad, sure seems to be a lot of Push 3 duds out there. 😭

    yep, its breaking my heart, just made some lovely music on it too but have to return it.

    Hmm...if you truly 'love' it just have them replace it...otherwise you might be pining for it for a long time...but of course, having that cash back is always good too :)

    This is my third unit already.

    Wow...I'd make Ableton pay you for the hassle they've put you through.

  • auxmuxauxmux

    @Korakios said:
    Akai did a smart move hitting the price gap

    although a used Push2 might be a better choice

    APC64 is just a controller with some basic sequencing abilities as standalone

    If it had MPE, I'd buy it right away.

  • SteveElbowsSteveElbows

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @echoopera said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @Tarekith said:
    Thats too bad, sure seems to be a lot of Push 3 duds out there. 😭

    yep, its breaking my heart, just made some lovely music on it too but have to return it.

    Hmm...if you truly 'love' it just have them replace it...otherwise you might be pining for it for a long time...but of course, having that cash back is always good too :)

    This is my third unit already.

    Have you tried the beta releases at all? They have fixed various pad issues with updates over time, some people who used to have problems dont have them anymore.

  • Danny_MammyDanny_Mammy
    edited October 2023

    @SteveElbows said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @echoopera said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @Tarekith said:
    Thats too bad, sure seems to be a lot of Push 3 duds out there. 😭

    yep, its breaking my heart, just made some lovely music on it too but have to return it.

    Hmm...if you truly 'love' it just have them replace it...otherwise you might be pining for it for a long time...but of course, having that cash back is always good too :)

    This is my third unit already.

    Have you tried the beta releases at all? They have fixed various pad issues with updates over time, some people who used to have problems don't have them anymore.

    hey man, yep tried the beta same issue, if you Wack on the drift default, add MPE Control and highlight slide.

    then test bottom row pads the low values are wobbly and can be seen on the MPE control, can be clearly heard on the drift saw wave sound too, it shakes around.

    all other rows are rock solid, i think it's a design issue. there isn't enough senor space as the finger slides to the bottom of the pad... you hit the metal of the unit so i guess less senor recognition.

    or it's just the bottom row have a fault in Manufacturing.

  • KrupaKrupa

    Weird I got a first batch one and never noticed any problems, I just tried this and seems all good to me, must be my good luck for a change!

  • Danny_MammyDanny_Mammy
    edited October 2023

    @Krupa said:
    Weird I got a first batch one and never noticed any problems, I just tried this and seems all good to me, must be my good luck for a change!

    happy for you sir, and smart to test it just in case.

  • KorakiosKorakios

    @auxmux said:

    @Korakios said:
    Akai did a smart move hitting the price gap

    although a used Push2 might be a better choice

    APC64 is just a controller with some basic sequencing abilities as standalone

    If it had MPE, I'd buy it right away.

    I think the main advantage is that it doesn't have MPE , only polyaftertouch , keeping the price low

  • GrandbearGrandbear

    @Korakios said:

    @auxmux said:

    @Korakios said:
    Akai did a smart move hitting the price gap

    although a used Push2 might be a better choice

    APC64 is just a controller with some basic sequencing abilities as standalone

    If it had MPE, I'd buy it right away.

    I think the main advantage is that it doesn't have MPE , only polyaftertouch , keeping the price low

    If the hardware has poly aftertouch then it has everything it needs for MPE to be added through software, right?

  • TarekithTarekith

    Nope, theres no Z plane on polyaftertouch controllers.

  • GrandbearGrandbear
    edited October 2023

    @Tarekith said:
    Nope, theres no Z plane on polyaftertouch controllers.

    Ah, but actually they're missing X/Y (glide/slide)

    Edit: I see now, Z plane is the same as the X/Y dimensions

  • KorakiosKorakios

    @Grandbear said:

    @Korakios said:

    @auxmux said:

    @Korakios said:
    Akai did a smart move hitting the price gap

    although a used Push2 might be a better choice

    APC64 is just a controller with some basic sequencing abilities as standalone

    If it had MPE, I'd buy it right away.

    I think the main advantage is that it doesn't have MPE , only polyaftertouch , keeping the price low

    If the hardware has poly aftertouch then it has everything it needs for MPE to be added through software, right?

    by software you can only assign pressure and release for MPE

  • Danny_MammyDanny_Mammy
    edited October 2023

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @SteveElbows said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @echoopera said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @Tarekith said:
    Thats too bad, sure seems to be a lot of Push 3 duds out there. 😭

    yep, its breaking my heart, just made some lovely music on it too but have to return it.

    Hmm...if you truly 'love' it just have them replace it...otherwise you might be pining for it for a long time...but of course, having that cash back is always good too :)

    This is my third unit already.

    Have you tried the beta releases at all? They have fixed various pad issues with updates over time, some people who used to have problems don't have them anymore.

    hey man, yep tried the beta same issue, if you Wack on the drift default, add MPE Control and highlight slide.

    then test bottom row pads the low values are wobbly and can be seen on the MPE control, can be clearly heard on the drift saw wave sound too, it shakes around.

    all other rows are rock solid, i think it's a design issue. there isn't enough senor space as the finger slides to the bottom of the pad... you hit the metal of the unit so i guess less senor recognition.

    or it's just the bottom row have a fault in Manufacturing.

    OK so I spoke to Ableton, going to speak to tech then probably try a replacement. I'm very inspired by this machine but I have to get a fully working one. It been a real hassle!

    Will keep the forum posted as its important to show the down sides of hardware especially when the prices are high.
    I feel many people buy gear and don't necessary use them so much and maybe miss some faults initially.

  • echooperaechoopera

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @SteveElbows said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @echoopera said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @Tarekith said:
    Thats too bad, sure seems to be a lot of Push 3 duds out there. 😭

    yep, its breaking my heart, just made some lovely music on it too but have to return it.

    Hmm...if you truly 'love' it just have them replace it...otherwise you might be pining for it for a long time...but of course, having that cash back is always good too :)

    This is my third unit already.

    Have you tried the beta releases at all? They have fixed various pad issues with updates over time, some people who used to have problems don't have them anymore.

    hey man, yep tried the beta same issue, if you Wack on the drift default, add MPE Control and highlight slide.

    then test bottom row pads the low values are wobbly and can be seen on the MPE control, can be clearly heard on the drift saw wave sound too, it shakes around.

    all other rows are rock solid, i think it's a design issue. there isn't enough senor space as the finger slides to the bottom of the pad... you hit the metal of the unit so i guess less senor recognition.

    or it's just the bottom row have a fault in Manufacturing.

    OK so I spoke to Ableton, going to speak to tech then probably try a replacement. I'm very inspired by this machine but I have to get a fully working one. It been a real hassle!

    Will keep the forum posted as its important to show the down sides of hardware especially when the prices are high.
    I feel many people buy gear and don't necessary use them so much and maybe miss some faults initially.

    Good luck on this new unit. I hope the kinks have been worked out of it this time around 👊🏼

  • TarekithTarekith

    Fingers crossed for you!

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