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‘Use AI to write vague PR bullshite….’
Right this really seemed to just echo their original mission statement at launch. I'd have to really let my mind go to think of what does this actually distill down to for features.
FWIW he’s been since posting more specific things he’d like to see added to P3S on the beta forums since he posted that. People should check in there if they want to know more or if they have specific suggestions to upvote.
with the rumoured Microsoft SoCs will be based on Arm architecture will we see push 3 ARM chips upgrades in 2025/26? shouldn't be too hard to run them on linux.
will be a nice bump in battery life!
Qualcomm is making those SoCs I think, and this means they'll likely appear in a similar form elsewhere too sooner or later.
Getting the X86 translation/virtualization layer on Linux (e.g. Qemu) to work well with realtime audio could be a challenge. Might not be easy for MS to get their stuff to work with ASIO either on their OS, especially because they don't control it unlike Apple with core audio. Linux could even be easier.
This stuff is handled by Windows like Apple does with Rosetta in MacOS for their chips. To avoid X86 translation Ableton would need to rewrite Ableton so that it compiles to ARM.
Ableton already runs on mac ARM so i don't think it's so far away from Linux arm. i maybe wrong, however its seems like a good possibility for future push 3 standalones.
True, totally forgot about Apple Silicon = ARM 🤦🏻♂️
Looks like the new 12.1 update for Live is finally starting to push the new features in for...push.
https://www.ableton.com/en/release-notes/push-12-beta/
At last.
Good overview of the 12.1 updates for push by the product owner himself
How much interaction do you need to have with the Ableton software, if you have the suite license, in order to organize sounds and add new ones?
I assume all folder management and sample adding is done via Ableton?
My laptop is kinda crap and i kinda want this instrument but im not trying to buy a new MacBook right now!
Yeah, right now out of the box, you basically do file management in Ableton. Think of it like Windows Explorer or Mac Filer. It doesn't take a beefy box to do any of that. I couldn't imagine doing any "real" file/preset/template/project management just on the P3S itself. BUT...I really do believe the objective of this device is as a companion to the desktop Live.
My workflow is sit down with the P3S anywhere and just start writing. I need to build a bit more of a default template with some routing for side chains and stuff already built in, but honestly I don't really care about that. I'm using the Push for "writing music" not for "mixing/arranging" music. The desktop is so much better suited for any of those detail things. But putting down ideas is endless.
I know other people are all about performing and building out scenes and whatnot for trigger for a show, but I am not. HOWEVER, I am starting to work sets for building songs on the fly with the new Arrangement pack for Live12. I've gotten pretty accomplished at playing the Push like an instrument and I think that's probably why I enjoy the P3S so much. It is definitely a learning curve to play the isomorphic key layout and I honestly think this frustrates new owners the most. Knowing the patterns that form the chord structures takes discipline to learn.
OR, you just don't care and poke around and have fun!
Regardless, the question I have is what is your main goal with the instrument?
In 12.1 you an now setup the P3S as a wifi hotspot, so you can join all your devices that use Ableton Link and have then isolated to the push network (of course, your internet connectivity will be gone). I'm wondering if this is going to be maybe a conduit for Ableton Note to be able to transfer sets directly to the P3S.
It maybe possible to use the iPad in future as a UI for M4L devices as well possibly even using USB connection, it could be possible to integrate piano roll, arrangement and so on all in Note, as a control surface for P3S.
nice to see Asus NUC's released. Comforting for push 3S future options.
25 percent off Push 3 controller, standalone and NUC upgrade for black Friday, that's probably about the right price for the machine so nice deal.
25 percent off Ableton live and upgrade paths is a no brainer if you don't have it.
Yeah, I’ve been waiting for this, will upgrade my v11 suite to v12. Tempted by a Push 3 controller too….
Push 3 works well with nearly all Fors devices in standalone, Opal works but very limited control on the Push. I love it for Fors sake.
I’m definitely getting the v12 upgrade, there’s a £45 discount for my account. If I add a Push 3 controller, the total discount is £300, a really good deal. I’m not sure about the Push though - I can see it’s an amazing device (the MPE is a big attraction), but I’m not sure how much I’d use it. I think a mini Launchkey Mk 4 will fit my needs better. But still…
It depends I still prefer a set of keys sometimes for more traditional playing, but on other occasions the MPE pads certainly are better for emulating acoustic or strange electronic tones.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I want one for. I’m waiting to hear on a new job coming in, if I get it I might treat myself to a Push.
Best wishes hope all goes well for you.
Thank you - looks like it is coming in, currently going through Push 3 videos just in case there’s confirmation before Tuesday!
Glad you are watching videos and getting a good education on what it DOES do. Ableton just put out a video on the 12.1 updates for Push that covers some of the newest features added.
Lots of folks are not happy where it is in its lifecycle. I've had mine since it got released and I use it almost every day starting songs, practice finger drumming, drum programming is really fun, etc. I never purchased with the intent of finishing a song on it or live performing a set or anything like that...why would i do that when i have Live on my MacBook? I use it as a writing tool and kind of a medative tool by just adding tracks and looping, throwing on effects, etc. It's just a fun tool to work with (I've had push 1/2 and now 3, so i'm a bit biased 😂)
Yeah, I’m thinking of using it more as an instrument in its own right (in the same way I use the iPad via IDAM), rather than something for proper song building - MPE’d instruments, jamming loops, drums, triggering samples etc. I’m totally into using Live already (used it as my main DAW for years), so it’ll be good to have a Push at last.
I’ve seen quite a lot of hardware issues reported on their forum though - how has yours been, any issues? That’s my only concern, as I’m not sure how easy it would be to return via the UK.
Still waiting for ‘job’ confirmation, hopefully I’ll know before Tuesday!
I have had zero problems with mine and I haul it out to the coffee shop 80% of the time. MPE is definitely fun but the real magic comes in going in and editing that in Live. You kind of "get close to it" but really dial it in with automation. The new MPE transformation tools are great, especially the LFO's where you can dial and commit them "per note".
Good to hear - I’m upgrading from V11 suite to v12, so looking forward to using the new features in that too. I’m going to pick up Bokeh from Fors before their sale ends as well, most of their devices work well with the Push, and I think I’ve got most of them now!
I’m not 100% sold on the Push yet - nothing against the device, I was just planning to keep my setup more portable for live gigs (I can’t afford the standalone version), but it’s a great deal, and vids like this one keep me tempted (big fan of this guys channel):
Ordered a Push 3 in the sale - I’ve been really impressed watching some streaming musicians use it and have had a hankering for a while. Any tips on getting rolling would be appreciated - I currently mostly use Arranger view so I’ll need to adjust to working more in Session view. Finally paid for a legit version of 12 Suite which was long overdue!
Quick question for any Push 3 experts - what’s the iPad to Push connectivity like?
I’m possibly ordering the controller version tomorrow, and it would be great to somehow integrate my iPad with it, somehow. I see it’s got a built-in audio interface, so I guess there’s an option to sample stuff in, but is there any direct USB MIDI in or out, to/from the iPad, or USB audio?
I’m currently connecting my iPad to the desktop version via IDAM, so I could still do that (assuming you can connect a Push and iPad as devices at the same time) for audio and MIDI, just wondering if the Push opens up any additional options.