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[Logic Pro] My review - what's in and what's missing

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  • After messing with LPx all day I gotta say, I really really like it. A lot. Will it replace my other DAWs? I’m not sure. Maybe. I think I like using AUs more in Cubasis but maybe I need to get used to using them in Logic, but everything else in LPx is just excellent and more preferable.

    A few things that immediately stood out that I love: Sculpture. The physical modeling engine is fantastic and one of the biggest draws for me. The studio horns and strings are also excellent, same for the tines, Clav, and organ. Almost all the loops are great and more than usable. Editing is quick. Automation is quick. Both sampler engines are great, especially Alchemy. I also really enjoy the drum designer and having more options for the drummers. I haven’t tried all of the effects but the reverbs are very good.

    I was a bit taken aback at the more lackluster synth side, especially Alchemy synth, but I feel like it’ll improv over time. The retro synth with the options for FM, Wavetable, and Sync is really good though, and the presets are nice.

    Overall I think it’s a 9/10 right now and I can really see this becoming my go-to DAW once I really learn it through and through. I don’t see it replacing AUM though, but it may be a great spot to dump the stems for further tweaking.

  • edited May 2023

    @lazyass said:

    @ik2000 said:

    @Luxthor said:

    @Jusch1995 said:

    @zzrwood said: -

    @Jusch1995 said:
    Is there a way to properly record midi from a midi effect like chordpolypad. I hear the sound, but It doesn’t seem to trigger the keys to record it. You only can record the single keys that trigger the chords but not the chord midi itself or did. I something wrong?

    Long click on the midi fx tile and choose record to track here

    Unfortunately still no midi recording for me. The track stays empty. What am i doing wrong?

    Working fine for me, don’t have ChordPolyPad but tested it with ChordPads+StepPolyArp in chain, works as intended.

    When you arm MIDI for recording, you need to see those yellow triangles.

    Finding the same behaviour with ZOA too. Other apps such as scaler and Cem Olcay’s apps work fine.

    Got similar troubles with Audiomodern apps. Riffer doesn't record anything at all, Chordjam handle only first chord from sequencer.

    MPE recordings works but not with everything. For instance, Numerical-KB1 insta crushing Logic.

    Edit: Using M2 iPad Pro, 16.5

  • @ErrkaPetti said:
    Had my first crash in Logic Pro for iPad today!

    Crash occurs when trying to add KB-1 (Numerical Audio) as an MIDI FX…

    Elsewhere, Logic is very stable for me on my 12.9” Pro M1…

    Has anyone tried to use Atom 2 into Logic?
    It doesn’t show up as an MIDI FX nor Audio Instrument?

    So, KB-1 not crashing Logic but I cannot see atom anywhere as you say. 11inch 2020 iPad Pro. (Pre M1)

  • @ErrkaPetti said:
    Had my first crash in Logic Pro for iPad today!

    Crash occurs when trying to add KB-1 (Numerical Audio) as an MIDI FX…

    Elsewhere, Logic is very stable for me on my 12.9” Pro M1…

    Has anyone tried to use Atom 2 into Logic?
    It doesn’t show up as an MIDI FX nor Audio Instrument?

    You are not alone there are a problem to be fix by the dev with KB-1, don’t know if he will fix it

  • @HotStrange said:
    After messing with LPx all day I gotta say, I really really like it. A lot. Will it replace my other DAWs? I’m not sure. Maybe. I think I like using AUs more in Cubasis but maybe I need to get used to using them in Logic, but everything else in LPx is just excellent and more preferable.

    A few things that immediately stood out that I love: Sculpture. The physical modeling engine is fantastic and one of the biggest draws for me. The studio horns and strings are also excellent, same for the tines, Clav, and organ. Almost all the loops are great and more than usable. Editing is quick. Automation is quick. Both sampler engines are great, especially Alchemy. I also really enjoy the drum designer and having more options for the drummers. I haven’t tried all of the effects but the reverbs are very good.

    I was a bit taken aback at the more lackluster synth side, especially Alchemy synth, but I feel like it’ll improv over time. The retro synth with the options for FM, Wavetable, and Sync is really good though, and the presets are nice.

    Overall I think it’s a 9/10 right now and I can really see this becoming my go-to DAW once I really learn it through and through. I don’t see it replacing AUM though, but it may be a great spot to dump the stems for further tweaking.

    The The studio horns (the bigger pack in sire 2 or 4 GB ? ) is wonderful I totally agree this is why it is important to download all packs sounds if you can.

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    Has anyone tried to use Atom 2 into Logic?
    It doesn’t show up as an MIDI FX nor Audio Instrument?

    Only Atom 1 showing up, work as intended. Atom 2 doesn't show up either.

  • @BerlinFx said:

    @HotStrange said:
    After messing with LPx all day I gotta say, I really really like it. A lot. Will it replace my other DAWs? I’m not sure. Maybe. I think I like using AUs more in Cubasis but maybe I need to get used to using them in Logic, but everything else in LPx is just excellent and more preferable.

    A few things that immediately stood out that I love: Sculpture. The physical modeling engine is fantastic and one of the biggest draws for me. The studio horns and strings are also excellent, same for the tines, Clav, and organ. Almost all the loops are great and more than usable. Editing is quick. Automation is quick. Both sampler engines are great, especially Alchemy. I also really enjoy the drum designer and having more options for the drummers. I haven’t tried all of the effects but the reverbs are very good.

    I was a bit taken aback at the more lackluster synth side, especially Alchemy synth, but I feel like it’ll improv over time. The retro synth with the options for FM, Wavetable, and Sync is really good though, and the presets are nice.

    Overall I think it’s a 9/10 right now and I can really see this becoming my go-to DAW once I really learn it through and through. I don’t see it replacing AUM though, but it may be a great spot to dump the stems for further tweaking.

    The The studio horns (the bigger pack in sire 2 or 4 GB ? ) is wonderful I totally agree this is why it is important to download all packs sounds if you can.

    Agreed. I downloaded everything except the artist packs. Are any of those worth it?

    I was really surprised at how good the studio horns and strings are. Glad I held off on apps like Mini Orchestra now.

  • edited May 2023

    So regarding fading in and out an audio stem you have to use the numbered calculator in the inspector? This presents no visual feedback - would of thought you could drag a curve on the start and end of the wav your editing.

    Hoping this will be added for easy editing as manipulating audio in LP is presently very painful.

    Also - no audio scrubbing?

  • @Thelast27 said:
    So regarding fading in and out an audio stem you have to use the numbered calculator in the inspector? This presents no visual feedback - would of thought you could drag a curve on the start and end of the wav your editing.

    Hoping this will be added for easy editing as manipulating audio in LP is presently very painful.

    Also - no audio scrubbing?

    You can drag on the numbers in the inspector, and see the curve interactively drawn on the audio region (if you have the editor loaded). I would prefer to drag on the audio region directly like you can in Auria, but in LP you have to use the inspector.

  • @richardyot said:

    @Thelast27 said:
    So regarding fading in and out an audio stem you have to use the numbered calculator in the inspector? This presents no visual feedback - would of thought you could drag a curve on the start and end of the wav your editing.

    Hoping this will be added for easy editing as manipulating audio in LP is presently very painful.

    Also - no audio scrubbing?

    You can drag on the numbers in the inspector, and see the curve interactively drawn on the audio region (if you have the editor loaded). I would prefer to drag on the audio region directly like you can in Auria, but in LP you have to use the inspector.

    Thanks @richardyot - I was using such low numbers I couldn’t see the fade curve. I’ve been using neon on the same track for better precision, hopefully we’ll get the same option as auria and Cubasis to drag the start and ends for quicker editing.

  • edited May 2023

    Regarding the inconsistency in midi au recording, I was having this problem as well.

    One thing I noticed is that the recording is dependent on which midi channel is enabled on the track. So if you're using a midi au on a track, ensure that the midi input is set to channel 1 or whatever channel the midi AU is sending on. Go to the track info screen to configure or update.

    If the track channel and midi channel doesn't match, recording won't work. It's weird because the track channel should be for external input only but seems to affect midi au recording as well.

  • @HotStrange said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @HotStrange said:
    After messing with LPx all day I gotta say, I really really like it. A lot. Will it replace my other DAWs? I’m not sure. Maybe. I think I like using AUs more in Cubasis but maybe I need to get used to using them in Logic, but everything else in LPx is just excellent and more preferable.

    A few things that immediately stood out that I love: Sculpture. The physical modeling engine is fantastic and one of the biggest draws for me. The studio horns and strings are also excellent, same for the tines, Clav, and organ. Almost all the loops are great and more than usable. Editing is quick. Automation is quick. Both sampler engines are great, especially Alchemy. I also really enjoy the drum designer and having more options for the drummers. I haven’t tried all of the effects but the reverbs are very good.

    I was a bit taken aback at the more lackluster synth side, especially Alchemy synth, but I feel like it’ll improv over time. The retro synth with the options for FM, Wavetable, and Sync is really good though, and the presets are nice.

    Overall I think it’s a 9/10 right now and I can really see this becoming my go-to DAW once I really learn it through and through. I don’t see it replacing AUM though, but it may be a great spot to dump the stems for further tweaking.

    The The studio horns (the bigger pack in sire 2 or 4 GB ? ) is wonderful I totally agree this is why it is important to download all packs sounds if you can.

    Agreed. I downloaded everything except the artist packs. Are any of those worth it?

    I was really surprised at how good the studio horns and strings are. Glad I held off on apps like Mini Orchestra now.

    I will say that artist packs are bit a cherry on the cake , I can live without them. Not bad sounds at all it is just a beat too mainstream ones. More for DJ producers wanting to find samples ideas. Now I should say that I download all 14 GB and that before downloading you can play them in audio.

    Be careful the Dua Lipa and an other pack (?) is not royalty free just to remix at home just fir you and your dogs and cats . All the other artists producer pack are royalty free.

  • Well after a couple days using Logic I think it’s a masterpiece! Really wasn’t expecting to take the sub but I’m in. I love the included instruments - Sculpture, Sample Alchemy, etc - so cool to use. The step sequencer is brilliant, drums are like a mini Groove Agent. The Studio Strings with legato!

    I really like the UI, I find it so much easier to edit midi in Logic than Cubasis. In that I used to dread editing, always moving notes by accident when trying to adjust length, but in Logic everything just works - love the brush tool. Also love the way you can expand and minimise windows or drag them bigger or off screen. The way you can open the editor at the bottom and as you pull it up it shrinks the timeline until you have just the track you’re editing at the top (even if it’s the bottom track!)

    It’s worth the sub for me just to get retrospective midi recording.

    And then I just found you can drag a MIDI clip into a sampler and start mangling it straight away as audio…. In Cubase I’d have to render in place, open media centre, find the audio in the project folder, drag it across…

    It’s just a wonderful music making environment and a pleasure to use. Only downside for me is no export to Cubase (or any midi export). That is a great feature in Cubasis, but I like Logic so much I think I’m gonna buy the Mac version so I can bring projects across to my main computer and back when needed.

  • @Thacapos said:

    @Montreal_Music said:
    Can we record MPE midi?

    Id like to know that too

    Yes, with the play surfaces open, tap the three dots next to the scales button, then tap surface settings. Toggle on Polyphonic Pitch bend and select Aftertouch in the menu that appears underneath.

  • edited May 2023

    @auxmux said:
    Regarding the inconsistency in midi au recording, I was having this problem as well.

    One thing I noticed is that the recording is dependent on which midi channel is enabled on the track. So if you're using a midi au on a track, ensure that the midi input is set to channel 1 or whatever channel the midi AU is sending on. Go to the track info screen to configure or update.

    If the track channel and midi channel doesn't match, recording won't work. It's weird because the track channel should be for external input only but seems to affect midi au recording as well.

    This is good shout… noticed that in Chordjam within settings there is a midi out for the sequencer, which you need to set to “Logical Pro Virtual In” for it to work.

  • @Banquet said:

    And then I just found you can drag a MIDI clip into a sampler and start mangling it straight away as audio…. In Cubase I’d have to render in place, open media centre, find the audio in the project folder, drag it across…

    Really? Now that is very interesting - will speed up workflow considerably!

  • Has anyone tried importing an iPad Logic session into Logic on a Mac? If you make a sound in say Fabfilter Twin 3 or Synthmaster or any app you have on both iPad and VST - open the project on a Mac, do the sounds import as well? If would be great if that happened. Otherwise you got to transfer the presets over for each instrument which would be a bit of a pain...

  • @Banquet would u mind sharing a screenshot of that? I can't get it to work. Drag midi into a Sampler? I thought samplers only work with audio so I can't even wrap my head around how this could be, cheers

    @Banquet said:

    And then I just found you can drag a MIDI clip into a sampler and start mangling it straight away as audio…. In Cubase I’d have to render in place, open media centre, find the audio in the project folder, drag it across…

    Really? Now that is very interesting - will speed up workflow considerably!

    s> @DanSebPage said:

    @Banquet said:

    And then I just found you can drag a MIDI clip into a sampler and start mangling it straight away as audio…. In Cubase I’d have to render in place, open media centre, find the audio in the project folder, drag it across…

    Really? Now that is very interesting - will speed up workflow considerably!

  • One good thing about subs is that there is a fair chance that they will continue to release new packs.

  • edited May 2023

    What I did was - click and hold on a midi region until a blue audio looking icon appears - you'll see some text at the top saying you can drag to a header or drum track. So I dragged to the header (empty part of the track listing) and it then allows you to create a new instrument from Sample Alchemy, Quick Sampler, or Drum Machine Designer. I opened Sample Alchemy and that was it. I guess it's converting the midi to audio... Love it :)

    @Gavinski said:
    @Banquet would u mind sharing a screenshot of that? I can't get it to work. Drag midi into a Sampler? I thought samplers only work with audio so I can't even wrap my head around how this could be, cheers

    @Banquet said:

    And then I just found you can drag a MIDI clip into a sampler and start mangling it straight away as audio…. In Cubase I’d have to render in place, open media centre, find the audio in the project folder, drag it across…

    Really? Now that is very interesting - will speed up workflow considerably!

    s> @DanSebPage said:

    @Banquet said:

    And then I just found you can drag a MIDI clip into a sampler and start mangling it straight away as audio…. In Cubase I’d have to render in place, open media centre, find the audio in the project folder, drag it across…

    Really? Now that is very interesting - will speed up workflow considerably!

  • @Gavinski said:
    @Banquet would u mind sharing a screenshot of that? I can't get it to work. Drag midi into a Sampler? I thought samplers only work with audio so I can't even wrap my head around how this could be, cheers

    @Banquet said:

    And then I just found you can drag a MIDI clip into a sampler and start mangling it straight away as audio…. In Cubase I’d have to render in place, open media centre, find the audio in the project folder, drag it across…

    Really? Now that is very interesting - will speed up workflow considerably!

    s> @DanSebPage said:

    @Banquet said:

    And then I just found you can drag a MIDI clip into a sampler and start mangling it straight away as audio…. In Cubase I’d have to render in place, open media centre, find the audio in the project folder, drag it across…

    Really? Now that is very interesting - will speed up workflow considerably!

    I think it's likely 'just' performing a Bounce-In-Place in the background. Either way, sounds very convenient.

  • @el_bo said:

    @Gavinski said:
    @Banquet would u mind sharing a screenshot of that? I can't get it to work. Drag midi into a Sampler? I thought samplers only work with audio so I can't even wrap my head around how this could be, cheers

    @Banquet said:

    And then I just found you can drag a MIDI clip into a sampler and start mangling it straight away as audio…. In Cubase I’d have to render in place, open media centre, find the audio in the project folder, drag it across…

    Really? Now that is very interesting - will speed up workflow considerably!

    s> @DanSebPage said:

    @Banquet said:

    And then I just found you can drag a MIDI clip into a sampler and start mangling it straight away as audio…. In Cubase I’d have to render in place, open media centre, find the audio in the project folder, drag it across…

    Really? Now that is very interesting - will speed up workflow considerably!

    I think it's likely 'just' performing a Bounce-In-Place in the background. Either way, sounds very convenient.

    Must be something like that, but such a timesaver. Saving a bunch of clicks can be the difference between trying something or not bothering (for me at least)

  • @Banquet said:

    @el_bo said:

    @Gavinski said:
    @Banquet would u mind sharing a screenshot of that? I can't get it to work. Drag midi into a Sampler? I thought samplers only work with audio so I can't even wrap my head around how this could be, cheers

    @Banquet said:

    And then I just found you can drag a MIDI clip into a sampler and start mangling it straight away as audio…. In Cubase I’d have to render in place, open media centre, find the audio in the project folder, drag it across…

    Really? Now that is very interesting - will speed up workflow considerably!

    s> @DanSebPage said:

    @Banquet said:

    And then I just found you can drag a MIDI clip into a sampler and start mangling it straight away as audio…. In Cubase I’d have to render in place, open media centre, find the audio in the project folder, drag it across…

    Really? Now that is very interesting - will speed up workflow considerably!

    I think it's likely 'just' performing a Bounce-In-Place in the background. Either way, sounds very convenient.

    Must be something like that, but such a timesaver. Saving a bunch of clicks can be the difference between trying something or not bothering (for me at least)

    Absolutely!

  • @Banquet said:
    Has anyone tried importing an iPad Logic session into Logic on a Mac? If you make a sound in say Fabfilter Twin 3 or Synthmaster or any app you have on both iPad and VST - open the project on a Mac, do the sounds import as well? If would be great if that happened. Otherwise you got to transfer the presets over for each instrument which would be a bit of a pain...

    I don't have LP on iPad yet, but this is something I've been dealing with for some time now. First I was transferring years worth of GarageBand projects from iPad to desktop GarageBand and now transferring and converting to Logic Pro on macOS. MOST synth and effects plug-in settings do not survive this transfer process and need to be completely re-entered. If any tweaks to presets were made, all of that has to be redone. It's a massive waste of time and something I genuinely hope is solved with the LP on iPad-to-LP on macOS pipeline.

  • @Banquet said:
    Has anyone tried importing an iPad Logic session into Logic on a Mac? If you make a sound in say Fabfilter Twin 3 or Synthmaster or any app you have on both iPad and VST - open the project on a Mac, do the sounds import as well? If would be great if that happened. Otherwise you got to transfer the presets over for each instrument which would be a bit of a pain...

    iOS FabFilter Twin 3 transferred patch made in iOS Logic to the macOS Logic with the desktop version of Twin 3. Works just fine, Logic on desktop just asks for the password to download extra content..

  • @NeuM said:

    @Banquet said:
    Has anyone tried importing an iPad Logic session into Logic on a Mac? If you make a sound in say Fabfilter Twin 3 or Synthmaster or any app you have on both iPad and VST - open the project on a Mac, do the sounds import as well? If would be great if that happened. Otherwise you got to transfer the presets over for each instrument which would be a bit of a pain...

    I don't have LP on iPad yet, but this is something I've been dealing with for some time now. First I was transferring years worth of GarageBand projects from iPad to desktop GarageBand and now transferring and converting to Logic Pro on macOS. MOST synth and effects plug-in settings do not survive this transfer process and need to be completely re-entered. If any tweaks to presets were made, all of that has to be redone. It's a massive waste of time and something I genuinely hope is solved with the LP on iPad-to-LP on macOS pipeline.

    Thanks for letting me know - that’s putting me off getting LP on Mac as I just couldn’t be bothered doing all that. Good to know before I buy it!

  • Ooh thanks, tempted again now! 😁

    @Luxthor said:

    @Banquet said:
    Has anyone tried importing an iPad Logic session into Logic on a Mac? If you make a sound in say Fabfilter Twin 3 or Synthmaster or any app you have on both iPad and VST - open the project on a Mac, do the sounds import as well? If would be great if that happened. Otherwise you got to transfer the presets over for each instrument which would be a bit of a pain...

    iOS FabFilter Twin 3 transferred patch made in iOS Logic to the macOS Logic with the desktop version of Twin 3. Works just fine, Logic on desktop just asks for the password to download extra content..

    @Luxthor said:

    @Banquet said:
    Has anyone tried importing an iPad Logic session into Logic on a Mac? If you make a sound in say Fabfilter Twin 3 or Synthmaster or any app you have on both iPad and VST - open the project on a Mac, do the sounds import as well? If would be great if that happened. Otherwise you got to transfer the presets over for each instrument which would be a bit of a pain...

    iOS FabFilter Twin 3 transferred patch made in iOS Logic to the macOS Logic with the desktop version of Twin 3. Works just fine, Logic on desktop just asks for the password to download extra content..

  • @ik2000 said:

    @Doc_T said:
    Logic does not export MIDI. Seriously? How pro is that…

    Probably since Apple want you to use it in conjunction with the desktop version. Maybe they’ll add in a future update. Hoping Apple will be listening to all the “missing features” here.

    Unlikely that there was an intention to cripple the iOS version. They almost certainly didn't have time to implement everything and prioritized to get it released by some target deadline...and they probably will make some decisions about future priorities based on user feedback.

  • @Banquet said:
    Ooh thanks, tempted again now! 😁

    @Luxthor said:

    @Banquet said:
    Has anyone tried importing an iPad Logic session into Logic on a Mac? If you make a sound in say Fabfilter Twin 3 or Synthmaster or any app you have on both iPad and VST - open the project on a Mac, do the sounds import as well? If would be great if that happened. Otherwise you got to transfer the presets over for each instrument which would be a bit of a pain...

    iOS FabFilter Twin 3 transferred patch made in iOS Logic to the macOS Logic with the desktop version of Twin 3. Works just fine, Logic on desktop just asks for the password to download extra content..

    @Luxthor said:

    @Banquet said:
    Has anyone tried importing an iPad Logic session into Logic on a Mac? If you make a sound in say Fabfilter Twin 3 or Synthmaster or any app you have on both iPad and VST - open the project on a Mac, do the sounds import as well? If would be great if that happened. Otherwise you got to transfer the presets over for each instrument which would be a bit of a pain...

    iOS FabFilter Twin 3 transferred patch made in iOS Logic to the macOS Logic with the desktop version of Twin 3. Works just fine, Logic on desktop just asks for the password to download extra content..

    Wait a bit before buying LP for Mac as it is not so fully compatible with 1.7.8. It would be with 1.8 . The problem is more to got compatibility between VST and AUv3 apps to transfer easily project done with a plugin on iOS to Mac.

    This why first stage I will be using LP with stock plugins on iOS and Mac OS .

    I have LP on my Mac but I don’t know what It will become after the big update to 11.

  • edited May 2023

    @Banquet said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Banquet said:
    Has anyone tried importing an iPad Logic session into Logic on a Mac? If you make a sound in say Fabfilter Twin 3 or Synthmaster or any app you have on both iPad and VST - open the project on a Mac, do the sounds import as well? If would be great if that happened. Otherwise you got to transfer the presets over for each instrument which would be a bit of a pain...

    I don't have LP on iPad yet, but this is something I've been dealing with for some time now. First I was transferring years worth of GarageBand projects from iPad to desktop GarageBand and now transferring and converting to Logic Pro on macOS. MOST synth and effects plug-in settings do not survive this transfer process and need to be completely re-entered. If any tweaks to presets were made, all of that has to be redone. It's a massive waste of time and something I genuinely hope is solved with the LP on iPad-to-LP on macOS pipeline.

    Thanks for letting me know - that’s putting me off getting LP on Mac as I just couldn’t be bothered doing all that. Good to know before I buy it!

    I only mention it because it's something I'm hoping is addressed now with Logic Pro on iPadOS. I don't know if it has been fixed or not. And if it has not been fixed, then it would just mean I’d have to continue doing what I have been doing, BUT LP on iPadOS cuts out some of the work which would otherwise have to be done in the future.

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