Questions about how to do X in Logic, whether Logic has Y etc etc

GLacey

@Samu said:

@GLacey said:
I’ve never been good at programming drum sequences, so Logic’s drummer feature is something I highly appreciate.
But how can I make the drummer play half-time?
There’s an ‘Auto half-time’ button in case of the electronic drummers and it works fine, but there’s no such option available if I choose acoustic drummers.

Setting the tempo of the track to the half is not an option in my specific case.
(I imported an audiofile which was recorded in a live session with acoustic instruments, so its tempo is not stable. Logic thinks the tempo of the audio region is around 130, but it’s ~65 actually, so if I insert a drummer track the drummer plays twice as fast as the song’s real tempo.)

You can covert the drummer track to a midi-region and stretch it to double length for half-time.

Thanks Samu! The problem with this workaround is that it turns out whether the drummer fits my taste only after I converted and stretched it. If not then undo, adjust the drummer then convert and stretch again. Furthermore the fills will not be there as they should. ☹️

Samu

@GLacey said:

Thanks Samu! The problem with this workaround is that it turns out whether the drummer fits my taste only after I converted and stretched it. If not then undo, adjust the drummer then convert and stretch again. Furthermore the fills will not be there as they should. ☹️

Halftime with beat cutter? But sure the drummers could use a bit more options but we'll where things go...
...until then maybe render to audio, chop and stretch?

ErrkaPetti

@GLacey said:

@Samu said:

@GLacey said:
I’ve never been good at programming drum sequences, so Logic’s drummer feature is something I highly appreciate.
But how can I make the drummer play half-time?
There’s an ‘Auto half-time’ button in case of the electronic drummers and it works fine, but there’s no such option available if I choose acoustic drummers.

Setting the tempo of the track to the half is not an option in my specific case.
(I imported an audiofile which was recorded in a live session with acoustic instruments, so its tempo is not stable. Logic thinks the tempo of the audio region is around 130, but it’s ~65 actually, so if I insert a drummer track the drummer plays twice as fast as the song’s real tempo.)

You can covert the drummer track to a midi-region and stretch it to double length for half-time.

Thanks Samu! The problem with this workaround is that it turns out whether the drummer fits my taste only after I converted and stretched it. If not then undo, adjust the drummer then convert and stretch again. Furthermore the fills will not be there as they should. ☹️

@GLacey - please explain further - what about “fills will not be there as they should’??

I can’t see/hear any difference between original Drummer tempo and the stretched MIDI-file for half tempo - everything is there, but played with less tempo…

GLacey

@Samu said:
Halftime with beat cutter? But sure the drummers could use a bit more options but we'll where things go...
...until then maybe render to audio, chop and stretch?

Seems there’s no easy solution to it…

@ErrkaPetti said:
@GLacey - please explain further - what about “fills will not be there as they should’??

I can’t see/hear any difference between original Drummer tempo and the stretched MIDI-file for half tempo - everything is there, but played with less tempo…

Yes, you’re right, maybe I wasn’t precise enough. Drum fills that being played at the right place for example at each 8th bar will be played only at each 16th bar if it’s stretched to half tempo.
Yes I can chop and move the chopped region to anywhere, I just hoped that there’s a simple solution.

baconink

@GLacey said:
I’ve never been good at programming drum sequences, so Logic’s drummer feature is something I highly appreciate.
But how can I make the drummer play half-time?
There’s an ‘Auto half-time’ button in case of the electronic drummers and it works fine, but there’s no such option available if I choose acoustic drummers.

Setting the tempo of the track to the half is not an option in my specific case.
(I imported an audiofile which was recorded in a live session with acoustic instruments, so its tempo is not stable. Logic thinks the tempo of the audio region is around 130, but it’s ~65 actually, so if I insert a drummer track the drummer plays twice as fast as the song’s real tempo.)

I could be wrong but I watched a video on YouTube a week or so ago about apples drummer and it was showing how to get halftime feel. I believe they just chose option 7 on the slider for the drummer… the bottom right slider. Hope this makes sense

Found the video

ErrkaPetti

@GLacey said:

@Samu said:
Halftime with beat cutter? But sure the drummers could use a bit more options but we'll where things go...
...until then maybe render to audio, chop and stretch?

Seems there’s no easy solution to it…

@ErrkaPetti said:
@GLacey - please explain further - what about “fills will not be there as they should’??

I can’t see/hear any difference between original Drummer tempo and the stretched MIDI-file for half tempo - everything is there, but played with less tempo…

Yes, you’re right, maybe I wasn’t precise enough. Drum fills that being played at the right place for example at each 8th bar will be played only at each 16th bar if it’s stretched to half tempo.
Yes I can chop and move the chopped region to anywhere, I just hoped that there’s a simple solution.

OK, so you wants the kick/snare to be 60 BPM and the fills 120 BPM, correct?

Cambler

One thing that I hope Apple are able to somehow implement in Roundtrip is the ability for a project with an auv3 that has an au equivalent on the desktop to be recognised and not throw up an error. I realise this may be fraught with issues for plugins that have different implementations on iPad however I'm sure something could be worked out. I guess the alternative is devs offering a the auv3 of the plugin to be to used on desktop (silicon Macs only I guess) for those that own the desktop version? or something else?!?!?

zzrwood

@baconink said:

@GLacey said:
I’ve never been good at programming drum sequences, so Logic’s drummer feature is something I highly appreciate.
But how can I make the drummer play half-time?
There’s an ‘Auto half-time’ button in case of the electronic drummers and it works fine, but there’s no such option available if I choose acoustic drummers.

Setting the tempo of the track to the half is not an option in my specific case.
(I imported an audiofile which was recorded in a live session with acoustic instruments, so its tempo is not stable. Logic thinks the tempo of the audio region is around 130, but it’s ~65 actually, so if I insert a drummer track the drummer plays twice as fast as the song’s real tempo.)

I could be wrong but I watched a video on YouTube a week or so ago about apples drummer and it was showing how to get halftime feel. I believe they just chose option 7 on the slider for the drummer… the bottom right slider. Hope this makes sense

Found the video

Yes, this is right 👆 It is the same as in Logic for Mac…. 7 is half time, 8 is double time…

Jusch1995

Need a quick help here, the manual doesn’t help unfortunately. I wanted to mix vocals, so I made a vocal chain on an aux bus and routed al the tracks output to it. Works great and does what it should 😊. But now I want to pan some of the vocals left and right, but the output is always Post fader. Is there any option to change it pre fader, so that I can pan them?
I now it works for a send aux but is it possible for the direct output routings for single tracks?

If not, what is the best method to mix all the vocals with one chain? Maybe I’m just not using the best Workflow 😬.

Thank you in advance. 😊

Samu

@Jusch1995 said:
Need a quick help here, the manual doesn’t help unfortunately. I wanted to mix vocals, so I made a vocal chain on an aux bus and routed al the tracks output to it. Works great and does what it should 😊. But now I want to pan some of the vocals left and right, but the output is always Post fader. Is there any option to change it pre fader, so that I can pan them?
I now it works for a send aux but is it possible for the direct output routings for single tracks?

If not, what is the best method to mix all the vocals with one chain? Maybe I’m just not using the best Workflow 😬.

Thank you in advance. 😊

Pre-Fader with Independent Pan is present on the Mac version of Logic but I can't find it in the iPad version...
Unless you need 100% wet vocals post fader usually works quite well, for those tracks needing 100% wet signal use inserts.

GLacey

@ErrkaPetti said:
OK, so you wants the kick/snare to be 60 BPM and the fills 120 BPM, correct?

Not really. I want the whole drum track to be 60 instead of 120 bpm (for a specific reason I can't set the project tempo to 60). I simply want the acoustic drummer play half-time (60 bpm instead of 120) without converting the drummer region to midi and stretching it. While there's a button for this in case of electronic drummers, I've concluded, that this option probably doesn't exist with the acoustic drummers.
I understood that there are workarounds, which I'll have to use, but let's say it's not the most convenient way to play half-time.
Anyway I highly appreciate the effort you guys, @ErrkaPetti, @Samu try to help me!

@baconink said:
I could be wrong but I watched a video on YouTube a week or so ago about apples drummer and it was showing how to get halftime feel. I believe they just chose option 7 on the slider for the drummer… the bottom right slider. Hope this makes sense

Found the video

Thanks for the hint and the the video!
Actually I'd call it half-timish instead of real half-time. It doesn't 'halve the tempo' of the drum track (or I'm now aware of what does half-time really mean, which might happen )

Jusch1995

@Samu said:

@Jusch1995 said:
Need a quick help here, the manual doesn’t help unfortunately. I wanted to mix vocals, so I made a vocal chain on an aux bus and routed al the tracks output to it. Works great and does what it should 😊. But now I want to pan some of the vocals left and right, but the output is always Post fader. Is there any option to change it pre fader, so that I can pan them?
I now it works for a send aux but is it possible for the direct output routings for single tracks?

If not, what is the best method to mix all the vocals with one chain? Maybe I’m just not using the best Workflow 😬.

Thank you in advance. 😊

Pre-Fader with Independent Pan is present on the Mac version of Logic but I can't find it in the iPad version...
Unless you need 100% wet vocals post fader usually works quite well, for those tracks needing 100% wet signal use inserts.

Ok perfect, thank you. That means, that I need to copy the effekt chain for alle the tracks that I need to pan (If I want them 100% wet)? I mean its super easy to do that, but really unefficiant as you have to use all the plugins multiple times But then i will use a combination of inserts and sends, because otherwise I need to change all the parameters seperatly as I want to change something for all Tracks

Samu

@Jusch1995 said:

Ok perfect, thank you. That means, that I need to copy the effekt chain for alle the tracks that I need to pan (If I want them 100% wet)? I mean its super easy to do that, but really unefficiant as you have to use all the plugins multiple times But then i will use a combination of inserts and sends, because otherwise I need to change all the parameters seperatly as I want to change something for all Tracks

Yes, at least until Apple adds the pre-fader 'Independent Pan' option to LogicPro for iPad...
...at least the Logic stock plug-ins are relatively easy on the CPU and 'idle' when not in use.

Spinoza

Hi everyone!
One thing that bothers me is about Track markers. They are great but miss an important function which is “Jump to marker # …” That takes most of the usefulness out. Am I missing something?
Another issue I have is with the playhead that misses the option to move back to the start position after playing and Stop is pressed. This option is available in LP desktop and in every other DAW I know of.
What do you think?

klownshed

@Samu said:

@Jusch1995 said:

Ok perfect, thank you. That means, that I need to copy the effekt chain for alle the tracks that I need to pan (If I want them 100% wet)? I mean its super easy to do that, but really unefficiant as you have to use all the plugins multiple times But then i will use a combination of inserts and sends, because otherwise I need to change all the parameters seperatly as I want to change something for all Tracks

Yes, at least until Apple adds the pre-fader 'Independent Pan' option to LogicPro for iPad...
...at least the Logic stock plug-ins are relatively easy on the CPU and 'idle' when not in use.

One thing you could do is use multiple busses to control the dry and wet which will be automatable so you can send tracks further forwards or backwards in the mix wherever you like. If you then add those aux tracks to the tracks view you could also group them as a summing track and you would then have control over the entire stack of busses as one for easier mixing.

If you have one bus as your normal dry bus, a second bus as the 'wet' bus with the fader set to -∞ and then separate Aux busses for your fx set to 100% wet that should work.

That way if you want a track to be panned and then sent to reverb with no dry signal at all, set the output to the bus you designate as 'wet', send the signal to the reverb aux bus post pan and then just make sure the bus has its fader set to -∞. You'll then get a post pan send to the fx, but the output of the track is going to a bus with its volume off. The track fader still controls how much of the signal gets sent to the reverb as the send is post pan so you leave that at zero and control the amount of signal with the send knob.

You could automate the volume of the 'wet' bus if you wanted a bit of dry in certain places or if you wanted a single instrument to be 100% wet in certain places and dry in others without automating you could duplicate that track and send one to the wet bus and one to the normal dry bus.

I hope this makes sense!

You can also have some tracks sending to the fx as pre-fader and others post pan depending on what you wanted.

Would that work or have I misunderstood something here?

Luxthor

@Samu said:

@Jusch1995 said:

Ok perfect, thank you. That means, that I need to copy the effekt chain for alle the tracks that I need to pan (If I want them 100% wet)? I mean its super easy to do that, but really unefficiant as you have to use all the plugins multiple times But then i will use a combination of inserts and sends, because otherwise I need to change all the parameters seperatly as I want to change something for all Tracks

Yes, at least until Apple adds the pre-fader 'Independent Pan' option to LogicPro for iPad...
...at least the Logic stock plug-ins are relatively easy on the CPU and 'idle' when not in use.

Miss that pre fader metering, it’s always enabled on my Logic macOS. 😐

Jusch1995

@klownshed said:

@Samu said:

@Jusch1995 said:

Ok perfect, thank you. That means, that I need to copy the effekt chain for alle the tracks that I need to pan (If I want them 100% wet)? I mean its super easy to do that, but really unefficiant as you have to use all the plugins multiple times But then i will use a combination of inserts and sends, because otherwise I need to change all the parameters seperatly as I want to change something for all Tracks

Yes, at least until Apple adds the pre-fader 'Independent Pan' option to LogicPro for iPad...
...at least the Logic stock plug-ins are relatively easy on the CPU and 'idle' when not in use.

One thing you could do is use multiple busses to control the dry and wet which will be automatable so you can send tracks further forwards or backwards in the mix wherever you like. If you then add those aux tracks to the tracks view you could also group them as a summing track and you would then have control over the entire stack of busses as one for easier mixing.

If you have one bus as your normal dry bus, a second bus as the 'wet' bus with the fader set to -∞ and then separate Aux busses for your fx set to 100% wet that should work.

That way if you want a track to be panned and then sent to reverb with no dry signal at all, set the output to the bus you designate as 'wet', send the signal to the reverb aux bus post pan and then just make sure the bus has its fader set to -∞. You'll then get a post pan send to the fx, but the output of the track is going to a bus with its volume off. The track fader still controls how much of the signal gets sent to the reverb as the send is post pan so you leave that at zero and control the amount of signal with the send knob.

You could automate the volume of the 'wet' bus if you wanted a bit of dry in certain places or if you wanted a single instrument to be 100% wet in certain places and dry in others without automating you could duplicate that track and send one to the wet bus and one to the normal dry bus.

I hope this makes sense!

You can also have some tracks sending to the fx as pre-fader and others post pan depending on what you wanted.

Would that work or have I misunderstood something here?

Yeah makes sense. I had an another idea that might work. For those vocals i want to Pan i just use a Send with 100% to another aux with my chain. With the send tracks I should be able to decide if its pre fader or Post fader (what i need). Have to try this later if this solves my problem

klownshed

@Jusch1995 said:

@klownshed said:

@Samu said:

@Jusch1995 said:

Ok perfect, thank you. That means, that I need to copy the effekt chain for alle the tracks that I need to pan (If I want them 100% wet)? I mean its super easy to do that, but really unefficiant as you have to use all the plugins multiple times But then i will use a combination of inserts and sends, because otherwise I need to change all the parameters seperatly as I want to change something for all Tracks

Yes, at least until Apple adds the pre-fader 'Independent Pan' option to LogicPro for iPad...
...at least the Logic stock plug-ins are relatively easy on the CPU and 'idle' when not in use.

One thing you could do is use multiple busses to control the dry and wet which will be automatable so you can send tracks further forwards or backwards in the mix wherever you like. If you then add those aux tracks to the tracks view you could also group them as a summing track and you would then have control over the entire stack of busses as one for easier mixing.

If you have one bus as your normal dry bus, a second bus as the 'wet' bus with the fader set to -∞ and then separate Aux busses for your fx set to 100% wet that should work.

That way if you want a track to be panned and then sent to reverb with no dry signal at all, set the output to the bus you designate as 'wet', send the signal to the reverb aux bus post pan and then just make sure the bus has its fader set to -∞. You'll then get a post pan send to the fx, but the output of the track is going to a bus with its volume off. The track fader still controls how much of the signal gets sent to the reverb as the send is post pan so you leave that at zero and control the amount of signal with the send knob.

You could automate the volume of the 'wet' bus if you wanted a bit of dry in certain places or if you wanted a single instrument to be 100% wet in certain places and dry in others without automating you could duplicate that track and send one to the wet bus and one to the normal dry bus.

I hope this makes sense!

You can also have some tracks sending to the fx as pre-fader and others post pan depending on what you wanted.

Would that work or have I misunderstood something here?

Yeah makes sense. I had an another idea that might work. For those vocals i want to Pan i just use a Send with 100% to another aux with my chain. With the send tracks I should be able to decide if its pre fader or Post fader (what i need). Have to try this later if this solves my problem

If you use a panned send to another aux in your chain (which is what I alluded to) you have to have a way to kill the dry signal. So you either need to remove the output or send it to a bus that's set to silence.

The advantage of sending it to a bus is you have control over the wet/dry during mixing. You can still get full control over the panning to the fx and separate control over the dry signal. If you turn the fader down on the panned channel you'll lose the send signal as it's post pan. (I think -- need to try to be 100% sure!)...

Best thing is to try a couple of alternative and work out which one is best for you. There's a solution there for sure though :-)

ErrkaPetti

@Spinoza said:
Hi everyone!
One thing that bothers me is about Track markers. They are great but miss an important function which is “Jump to marker # …” That takes most of the usefulness out. Am I missing something?
Another issue I have is with the playhead that misses the option to move back to the start position after playing and Stop is pressed. This option is available in LP desktop and in every other DAW I know of.
What do you think?

Hold in mind that not every function implemented is touch enabled - so, jump to track markers just works thru shortcuts from an external keyboard (or Apples Magic Keyboard)…

Jusch1995

@klownshed said:

@Jusch1995 said:

@klownshed said:

@Samu said:

@Jusch1995 said:

Ok perfect, thank you. That means, that I need to copy the effekt chain for alle the tracks that I need to pan (If I want them 100% wet)? I mean its super easy to do that, but really unefficiant as you have to use all the plugins multiple times But then i will use a combination of inserts and sends, because otherwise I need to change all the parameters seperatly as I want to change something for all Tracks

Yes, at least until Apple adds the pre-fader 'Independent Pan' option to LogicPro for iPad...
...at least the Logic stock plug-ins are relatively easy on the CPU and 'idle' when not in use.

One thing you could do is use multiple busses to control the dry and wet which will be automatable so you can send tracks further forwards or backwards in the mix wherever you like. If you then add those aux tracks to the tracks view you could also group them as a summing track and you would then have control over the entire stack of busses as one for easier mixing.

If you have one bus as your normal dry bus, a second bus as the 'wet' bus with the fader set to -∞ and then separate Aux busses for your fx set to 100% wet that should work.

That way if you want a track to be panned and then sent to reverb with no dry signal at all, set the output to the bus you designate as 'wet', send the signal to the reverb aux bus post pan and then just make sure the bus has its fader set to -∞. You'll then get a post pan send to the fx, but the output of the track is going to a bus with its volume off. The track fader still controls how much of the signal gets sent to the reverb as the send is post pan so you leave that at zero and control the amount of signal with the send knob.

You could automate the volume of the 'wet' bus if you wanted a bit of dry in certain places or if you wanted a single instrument to be 100% wet in certain places and dry in others without automating you could duplicate that track and send one to the wet bus and one to the normal dry bus.

I hope this makes sense!

You can also have some tracks sending to the fx as pre-fader and others post pan depending on what you wanted.

Would that work or have I misunderstood something here?

Yeah makes sense. I had an another idea that might work. For those vocals i want to Pan i just use a Send with 100% to another aux with my chain. With the send tracks I should be able to decide if its pre fader or Post fader (what i need). Have to try this later if this solves my problem

If you use a panned send to another aux in your chain (which is what I alluded to) you have to have a way to kill the dry signal. So you either need to remove the output or send it to a bus that's set to silence.

The advantage of sending it to a bus is you have control over the wet/dry during mixing. You can still get full control over the panning to the fx and separate control over the dry signal. If you turn the fader down on the panned channel you'll lose the send signal as it's post pan. (I think -- need to try to be 100% sure!)...

Best thing is to try a couple of alternative and work out which one is best for you. There's a solution there for sure though :-)

Thank you, the option with the silenced bus sounds pretty clever 😊 also super easy to do, as I can output all panned vocals to the silenced bus 👍🏻 Will try this later, this seems to be the best option 😊

tahiche

EDIT: please disregard. I was using a TestFlight version which apparently had some problems, updated Loopy and now it loads in Logic.

Sorry in advance if it has been answered before. I can’t load Loopy Pro in Logic, I’ve tried both as an instrument and audio fx.
Does anyone else face the same problem or am I doing something wrong?.

tahiche

Is there an easy way to transfer Loopy donuts to Logic?. Tried the copy menu but the clipboard doesn’t seem to work to a Logic audio track.

Gdub

@tahiche
I kinda asked the same question further back
Be good for a solution, perhaps loopy pro needs to implement some work around

Spinoza

:-)

@ErrkaPetti said:

@Spinoza said:
Hi everyone!
One thing that bothers me is about Track markers. They are great but miss an important function which is “Jump to marker # …” That takes most of the usefulness out. Am I missing something?
Another issue I have is with the playhead that misses the option to move back to the start position after playing and Stop is pressed. This option is available in LP desktop and in every other DAW I know of.
What do you think?

Hold in mind that not every function implemented is touch enabled - so, jump to track markers just works thru shortcuts from an external keyboard (or Apples Magic Keyboard)…

I do have an external keyboard that works fine and I tried all keys and combinations thereof plus looked in the manual but I think it’s really missing

ErrkaPetti

@Spinoza said:
:-)

@ErrkaPetti said:

@Spinoza said:
Hi everyone!
One thing that bothers me is about Track markers. They are great but miss an important function which is “Jump to marker # …” That takes most of the usefulness out. Am I missing something?
Another issue I have is with the playhead that misses the option to move back to the start position after playing and Stop is pressed. This option is available in LP desktop and in every other DAW I know of.
What do you think?

Hold in mind that not every function implemented is touch enabled - so, jump to track markers just works thru shortcuts from an external keyboard (or Apples Magic Keyboard)…

I do have an external keyboard that works fine and I tried all keys and combinations thereof plus looked in the manual but I think it’s really missing

Ok… Strange…

If I remember right so saw I an youtube video that handles this - which? Hmmm… Have looked at least 100 videos regarding Logic Pro for iPad…

What’s the shortcut on Mac?

ErrkaPetti

Still exploring Logic Pro for iPad, three weeks tomorrow, damn what time flies by quickly!

Playing around today with the Studio Instruments (Horns & Strings) and enjoying a lot of playing with articulation in the Piano Roll…

A matter of facts, Strings & Horns together with articulation is really overlooked - my gut feeling is that many Logic users even know about this even if it’s common among pro studio people)…

If you read this and have zero clue how to use articulation, look at this clever guy:

R_2

Doug’s demo of Retro Synth:

Atlesbe

I don't know if this has been discussed before but Can any of you see the Pure Synth Platinum app as AUv3 in Logic Pro?

ErrkaPetti

@Atlesbe said:
I don't know if this has been discussed before but Can any of you see the Pure Synth Platinum app as AUv3 in Logic Pro?

Yes, I see Pure Synth Platinum as AUv3 on my iPad in Logic…

Atlesbe

@ErrkaPetti said:

@Atlesbe said:
I don't know if this has been discussed before but Can any of you see the Pure Synth Platinum app as AUv3 in Logic Pro?

Yes, I see Pure Synth Platinum as AUv3 on my iPad in Logic…

Thanks for the replay. Could you please tell me the correct way to invoke it? In GarageBand, there was a specific option to have an AUv3 track but in Logic Pro that option no longer exists.

I tried it by adding a audio track, a midi track and so on and I can’t see PSP