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Logic Pro - the missing features

edited May 2023 in Logic Pro

This isn't meant to be a negative post, just an informative one. Logic Pro is very full-featured, but like any DAW there are some gaps in the feature set, and as a user it's helpful to know what the limitations are so you don't waste time trying to do things that can't be done.

Please do correct any inaccurate information, and also feel free to post workarounds for missing features if you know of any.

So far, one week in, these are the features that I think are missing, I'm sure there are others.

No MIDI routing: this is a big one, especially for iOS users who are used to flexible routing in AUM, but all of the main iOS DAWS (Cubasis, Auria, NS2) have pretty good MIDI routing, so this is a little disappointing.

Since this feature is also missing from the desktop version of Logic (well unless you want to delve into the Environment), it's unlikely that Logic will ever get the sort of flexible MIDI routing you get in AUM. I would love to be wrong of course.

So if you want to route MIDI from one track to another, at this time it doesn't seem to be possible natively in the app. The best hope is for a third-party app to come to the rescue and offer a way to do this.

No MIDI export: what happens in Vegas Logic stays in Logic. Again the best hope here is for a third-party app to hopefully fix this.

No patch or preset sharing: since the file system is hidden, and there is no mechanism to share user patches or patterns, you can't share any of the presets you make. This is a shame, especially for synth and sampler patches, and sequencer patterns.

No Humanise option for timing: you can randomise velocity with the built-in MIDI effects, but I can't find a way to humanise the timing of MIDI events. Other than that the non-destructive quantise options are pretty extensive, so this is only a minor omission.

No control over Alchemy or the multi-sampler: these are currently just preset players at the moment. Hopefully this is something that Apple will fix in a future update. The Drum Designer also only has limited controls compared to the desktop version.

No access to the file system in the Browser: the built-in browser can only see folders within the app, and has no access to the wider file system, so if you want to import samples or MIDI from elsewhere you need to use the Files app (or Samplecrate) in slide-over to drag-and-drop. Coupled with the fact that the entire Logic folder is hidden, this makes importing and exporting very restrictive.

Please feel free to add to this list, and correct any mistakes I might have made.

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  • No linked/alias clips, other than ‘repeated’ clips
    No Score Editor

  • No option to slide notes using the Studio Strings instruments via the appropriate fingerboard, only preset, fixed ‘articulations’.

  • I sub for 1 year but if there are no real improvements as far full Alchemy , easy user experience and improvements in GUI without hacks to do , I am not a geek in music, and good sounds packs released the first year, I will stop to subscribe that really simple.

  • No multi-out support for hosted auv3s it seems

  • As I read in some other thread about LP4i, workaround for exporting MIDI is to put the app MIDI Tape Recorder in the MIDI FX slot…
    Works great!

  • One other omission - not to smart to just have the Fades option in the Inspector instead of just point/draw this on the track/regions GUI, just like on the Mac…

  • No recording of Sustain Pedal direct on MIDI tracks - workaround is to also record the automation with Sustain Pedal choosen…

  • Also, I miss the Step Sequencer in Piano Roll mode - like that option on my Mac…

  • No seamless gliding on x axis for poly pitchbend - snap to notes is too aggressive and cannot be adjusted.

  • No comping

  • Missing:

    • Control surface integration, whether Mackie/HUI or MIDI Learn
    • Audio Plug-in Delay Compensation (MIDI seems to be supported)
  • Patches can be shared if they’re included in a project. It’s a workaround, but still workable until such time as it turns up (or not).

  • MIDI mapping is a huge missing thing for me.

  • edited May 2023

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    Also, I miss the Step Sequencer in Piano Roll mode - like that option on my Mac…

    Can you elaborate on this, for the Non-Mac users, maybe a video?

  • What drives me nuts is that, while you can convert a Drummer track to a MIDI region and edit the pattern, you can’t convert that region back to a Drummer track with the edits intact, to continue using the Drummer features. The option is there, but when you make the conversion it just reverts to the original Drummer pattern. What even is the point?

  • edited May 2023

    @RajahP said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    Also, I miss the Step Sequencer in Piano Roll mode - like that option on my Mac…

    Can you elaborate on this, for the Non-Mac users, maybe a video?

    It’s a features that let you play in the MIDI-notes on the Piano Roll step by step (if you have timing issue with your own playing capability)…
    Much easier than pencil in notes (if you have and external MIDI Controller/keyboard…
    Attach a link to a video that explains this well…

  • No Flex Pitch. For my workflow purposes, it's definitely the glaring omission for me that its "big brother" on Mac has. But whatever. I have @dwrae 's Vocal Tune Studio for those purposes.

  • edited May 2023

    Impossible to touch automate most AUV3 via their GUI in track mode, impossible at all in region mode, impossible to even touch automate internal effects in Live Loops mode. Far from Ableton enveloppes here.

    Impossible to assign plug-in tiles knobs. Those for AUV3 are mostly useless.

    Impossible to move several regions full of automation several times without crashing Logic. Impossible then to recover the song file. Big one.

  • About plug-in delay compensation it was right there in GarageBand iOS, so it’s not in Logic?

  • edited May 2023

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @RajahP said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    Also, I miss the Step Sequencer in Piano Roll mode - like that option on my Mac…

    Can you elaborate on this, for the Non-Mac users, maybe a video?

    It’s a features that let you play in the MIDI-notes on the Piano Roll step by step (if you have timing issue with your own playing capability)…
    Much easier than pencil in notes (if you have and external MIDI Controller/keyboard…
    Attach a link to a video that explains this well…

    Thanks.. Step Input is available in Step Sequence (Pattern mode) but not Midi Mode.. Missing feature?
    Seems this should be standard..

    Had a hard time figuring out what was the last button on that section… It is ‘mono input mode’..

  • @gregsmith said:
    No multi-out support for hosted auv3s it seems

    After some reading here and on Steinberg’s Cubasis forum (!)… here’s how to proceed for multi-out in Logic.

    1. Load the multi-out version of the AU on a track (I used FAC Drumkit), and assign the output busses (called EXT1, etc in FAC Drumkit).

    2. Add as many sends as you want to use multi-outs to that track (these will now appear in the mixer as numbered aux channels, they’re not immediately visible on the track view but - just as the output track that doesn’t show by default - you can make them show up as tracks just as the output track).

    note: after adding the first send use the ‘back’ icon on the plugin view header, then you will be able to add the next send (after adding the first send you will at first only see an option to add an audio effect..).

    1. Go to the mixer view. The aux (send) tracks will each show a bus as their input. Click on such a bus icon. In the menu that appears there will be an option (the third) with the name of the track where you loaded your multi-out AU. Click on that and choose your desired output for that aux/send.

    2. Repeat.

  • @DovJ said:

    • Audio Plug-in Delay Compensation (MIDI seems to be supported)

    That's a bad one :(

    Hopefully this will be fixed, because it's pretty essential.

  • note: It looks like that even if I choose the multi-out version of an AU (just successfully tested GR-16 multi-out) from the beginning, I still have to use ‘replace’ on the plugin and click on the original plugin again allowing me to choose the multi-out version (the other option is ‘stereo’).

  • @RajahP said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @RajahP said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    Also, I miss the Step Sequencer in Piano Roll mode - like that option on my Mac…

    Can you elaborate on this, for the Non-Mac users, maybe a video?

    It’s a features that let you play in the MIDI-notes on the Piano Roll step by step (if you have timing issue with your own playing capability)…
    Much easier than pencil in notes (if you have and external MIDI Controller/keyboard…
    Attach a link to a video that explains this well…

    Thanks.. Step Input is available in Step Sequence (Pattern mode) but not Midi Mode.. Missing feature?
    Seems this should be standard..

    Had a hard time figuring out what was the last button on that section… It is ‘mono input mode’..

    Yeah, surely an missing feature, Step Input in Piano Roll - Apple has made an incredible job with Logic for iPad, but, the missing features is unexpected - in the same time Apple has implemented functionalities that is used in rare occasions…

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @RajahP said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @RajahP said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    Also, I miss the Step Sequencer in Piano Roll mode - like that option on my Mac…

    Can you elaborate on this, for the Non-Mac users, maybe a video?

    It’s a features that let you play in the MIDI-notes on the Piano Roll step by step (if you have timing issue with your own playing capability)…
    Much easier than pencil in notes (if you have and external MIDI Controller/keyboard…
    Attach a link to a video that explains this well…

    Thanks.. Step Input is available in Step Sequence (Pattern mode) but not Midi Mode.. Missing feature?
    Seems this should be standard..

    Had a hard time figuring out what was the last button on that section… It is ‘mono input mode’..

    Yeah, surely an missing feature, Step Input in Piano Roll - Apple has made an incredible job with Logic for iPad, but, the missing features is unexpected - in the same time Apple has implemented functionalities that is used in rare occasions…

    Would be nice to know that Apple acknowledges these ‘omissions’.. And advise on stuff that are not missing (Auv3 multi out, Thanks @janpieter).. It can help with understanding the app..

  • It is the beginning of the killer apps but LP pro need more in the future, it need some AI direct and even voice commands and of course harware controlers.

    What I wait that is not in the missing list I saw is that they make it easy life in Logic IPad to people that can’t anymore have the brain to drive in hidden menus and want make easily good music with this powerful Daw.

    The solutions : (they have all the tech to do it within 1 year)

    1) templates reform for EDM, Ambient, Song with bus and route and effects from what you can customise your own templates and save them.

    2) AI implementation in order to save learning time and speed up worflow. The AI can act as a contextual assistant to speed up your workflow.

    Their users will be not pro and it is a dream to think that so many pro will come to iOS Daw only or even to use Logic on IPad Why Apple ? The same for FCP

    Your so called IPad Pro , pro is till a marketing word Apple as you don’t heard what pro want

    1 IPad without 1 headphones jack and 2 USB is what pro need , actual iPad Pro are shit without it for a pro and me too.

    2 speed up their workflow as actually all real pro ( they are not in this forum as you know) who test LP Logic to export to their LP Mac say it is a worflow killer.

    A pro is not like us : deadlines , need very speed worflow between IPad and Home studio desktop….. they need to pay bills and make quickly living

    Logic IpadvV 1.0 and actual Pro IPad with one poor USB connection miss what pro and many normal people that are not geek but only musicians need.

    So actually we only can hope but Logic IPad (and FCP IPad ) and the IPad Pro doesn’t deserve any hype at all.

    This is just the hope that finally , perhaps, Apple understand or is willing to do something with iPad.

    My personal opinion but not only many now after 1 week have this opinion and are disappointed ☹️ (some of my contacts at Apple are, my friends great pro producer feel the same)

    I tell what many here don’t want to heard. It it is the reality , in few months you will open more your eyes so remember this post. I can be wrong but I can be right too.

    Note :

    My brain is neuro divergent but thanks be different made me having a very big incomes all my working life and make me save a bunch of money to have a good standard of life when I had to stop working. I was in the internet since 1993, I have develop algorithms still alive that are use by Microsoft, IBM and even Google.

    I was far in advance always in computing and AUX experience so still I’ll I think that I have an overview on computing and AI. I collaborated with the MIT labs

    I never dev for Apple OS or ios and I use an IPad only since 2015 and do iOS music only from 2019 so I didn’t have the same knowledge and experience but I see iOS music with a fresh eyes and a strong tech background.

    I don’t dare about what say people I dare about the reality and what it will be in the near future.

  • @qryss said:
    No comping

    Comping can be done, but not as fluidly as in the desktop version:

  • edited May 2023

    @garden said:
    What drives me nuts is that, while you can convert a Drummer track to a MIDI region and edit the pattern, you can’t convert that region back to a Drummer track with the edits intact, to continue using the Drummer features. The option is there, but when you make the conversion it just reverts to the original Drummer pattern. What even is the point?

    Converted a Drummer region to Pattern region (Seems that option only comes up for 4 bars or less).. Did some editing and reverted back to a Drummer region… nothing changed..
    Hope this is a bug and will be fixed.. Can only imagine the possibilities of having this… Lumbeat drummers on steroids.

  • edited May 2023

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    Also, I miss the Step Sequencer in Piano Roll mode - like that option on my Mac…

    You can easily convert a piano-roll track to step-sequencer track and back...

    Maybe you meant using step-recording to input notes?

  • @janpieter said:

    @gregsmith said:
    No multi-out support for hosted auv3s it seems

    After some reading here and on Steinberg’s Cubasis forum (!)… here’s how to proceed for multi-out in Logic.

    1. Load the multi-out version of the AU on a track (I used FAC Drumkit), and assign the output busses (called EXT1, etc in FAC Drumkit).

    2. Add as many sends as you want to use multi-outs to that track (these will now appear in the mixer as numbered aux channels, they’re not immediately visible on the track view but - just as the output track that doesn’t show by default - you can make them show up as tracks just as the output track).

    note: after adding the first send use the ‘back’ icon on the plugin view header, then you will be able to add the next send (after adding the first send you will at first only see an option to add an audio effect..).

    1. Go to the mixer view. The aux (send) tracks will each show a bus as their input. Click on such a bus icon. In the menu that appears there will be an option (the third) with the name of the track where you loaded your multi-out AU. Click on that and choose your desired output for that aux/send.

    2. Repeat.

    Thanks. I tried this with Drum Computer but can’t get it to work so far. When I go to the mixer to set the input for the Aux tracks, I’m not seeing that 3rd option with the name of the track drum computer is on. As far as I can tell there isn’t a choice between DC stereo and multi-out. There’s just a single AU to choose from and you configure whether it’s stereo or multi out in the settings of the app.

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