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Well you didn't quote the @klownshed post so I didn't realise that's what you were referring to, I thought you were asking about summing stacks and folder stacks. That specific post didn't make any mention of MIDI. 🤷♂️
My misunderstanding no worries.
What I said was that any midi regions on the top level of a track stack go to all the tracks below.
Unfortunately as you now know you can’t add midifx to the top level of a track stack. I did ask ‘have you tried’ which is not the same as saying it’s possible.
Anyway. You can’t route midi between tracks with LP4iP. Logic Pro on desktop can route midi using the environment but there’s no chance that will ever come to the iPad and is as good as deprecated.
No DAW can do everything you want the way you want it done. You can bang a nail into the wall with a cordless driver but you’re better off using a screw. Or switching to a hammer.
Logic was first released over 30 years ago. Obviously apps have been released since Logic debuted with different priorities.
Many of them, such as Live Loops, have found their way to Logic.
More flexible midi routing is surely on Apple’s to do list. It’d be a cool feature. In the meantime I’ve personally managed fine with Logic as it is for 30 years. Pretty much every single song I’ve ever finished has been done with Logic. In the early days that was with the help of 8 track reel to reel tape.
Which reminds me. I’ve found some old Ampex reels and it’s be cool to digitise them. I need to find out about how to properly bake them to make them useable as those old Ampex 456 tapes are infamous for shedding. Kids these days. Don’t know they’re born
Comparing what you can do with Logic today — on a fricking iPad — compared to the first version I bought for something like £400 in 1993 is frankly astonishing. I was impressed that I could sync and control my tape machine back then. Moving the play head in Logic and seeing the tape machine (eventually) keep up seemed like magic.
I think I might have gone off on a tangent. I think it’s past my bedtime.
Missing ATOM 2 up in here..
Logic is a sequencer. There are far too many advantages of using the built in editors and having actual regions in the tracks view for arranging — including being able to use the inspector which is one of the best features in any sequencer — to ever make me want to consider using an alternative piano roll.
As with any sequencer/DAW, you’ll never make the most out of Logic unless you use it like Logic.
At least learn it inside out first before trying to adapt how it works.
The same applies to all DAWs.
Atom 2’s natural home is AUM, not a sequencer like Ns2, Cubasis, Logic etc…
I definitely miss a 'Legato Mode' in QuickSampler...
...currently when using glide it glides every single note that is played.
(The Sampler in Logic Pro for Mac has it but since the iPad version doesn't have any UI for it it's a no-go-show).
With legato it would only glide notes that are 'tied' (ie. legato play).
This feature close to essential for lead-sounds and well some like to use them for 808s too.
I could probably 'automate' the glide-knob (ie. keep it zero as default and set the gild-time for notes that need it) but I won't go there...
In some areas the QuickSampler beats the crap out of the 'big' sampler as it can modulate loop-position using an LFO and other nice tricks like that, just gimme the legato option
Sorry if this has been mentioned before. I wish there was a way Logic could recognise desktop versions of AUV3 plugins when using roundtrip. I guess this would need collaboration between Apple and developers to create a flag or somesuch. Also I guess plugins would have to e 1:1 equivalent or at the least be ale to deal with any slight conversion of data to the desktop version and vice versa.
This is a thread about Missing Features in Logic Pro for iPad, but, has a question here to people knowledge about Cubase on desktop.
On another music forum a guy said this:
”I run the full Cubase 12 Pro - capable of a lot more than Logic Pro”
So, anybody here, what missing features has Logic Pro on Mac compare to Cubase 12 Pro?
Or, is it just bullshit from an Applehater?
We need new 'Drummers' for Logic Pro and Logic Pro for iPad...
Apple could hire El Estepario Siberiano
…or, the drummer in Gamma Ray…
This is an isolation of the drums on the song ‘Lust For Life’ made in the application RipX…
Needs more Cow Bell
It would be nice to be able to use Logic Remote with a second iPad or iPhone.
Or.. maybe a Touchable Pro type thing with Ableton live style ‘Follow Action’ for Live Loops, etc…
Why do we have to wait for Apple to bring stuff for Logic.. why can’t 3rd party developer build for Logic Pro for iPad, or is it even possible?
And... Ableton Live for iPad would be..... Crazy.
You can't compare that with Logic Remote...
No you can’t…
Apologies I have not kept up with this thread since the beginning so i probably missed it, but are we not able to automate the pitch of audio tracks , or able to adjust the pitch per sample? I am not finding this an easy thing to figure out right now lol! I have figured out how to automate volume / pan on audio tracks, but that’s about it so far….
if you're trying to automate the pitch of a hi hat in your example above, the easiest and quickest way is to load the sample into a quick sampler and then instead of placing it on the grid use MIDI. You can then automate the pitch and pretty much every other parameter from the sampler in either the regions or at the track level. If you use a pattern edit region you can use it to automate the pitch P-Lock style.
If you drag the hi-hat sample into a blank area in the tracks header (below where it say "Hat 2") you will get the option to automatically create a quicksampler instrument.
You could also create a drum machine designer kit and put different samples on each pad. This is an automated way of making a tracks stack and manually setting MIDI note range limits for each track (plus it adds the pad UI). So you could use your hi hat sample on a pad (track) and then automate its parameters there too. A pad can be a quick sampler, or any other instrument plug-in such as the built in drum synth.
It's a neat way to make your own drum machine kits as each sound has it's own track and channel strip and sends, but also has the parent track which they mix down to, with it's own fx chain etc.
If you want to stick with samples on the track in the arrange window even though it's much easier with MIDI ;-) then you can adjust the pitch of each region in the inspector. Each region has individual control of all the parameters such as gain, delay (you can tweak the position of the sample in tiny increments) quantise, etc. All non-destructively.
Much appreciated and great info here!
Yes sometimes i just really need to work with audio in this way, i came from ableton to iOS a while back so im just used to way Ableton works… and i like to create drums in this ultra inconvenient annoying way 🤣 i just like the control over each note when laying out drums. Being able to reverse, pitch, do ramps on filters and volume etc.. and just see get audio wave and shapes…i love MIDI as well but sometimes just prefer audio..
I didn’t even know the inspector was a thing until you mentioned it! I had seen it before but completely over looked its capabilities. Thanks for that, let’s ya reverse, transpose, speed, delay and etc so that should get me closer to what I’m looking for the rest I’ll do with effects and stuff.
Great info on the sampler/drum designer. I’ve never used logic on any platform before this so its all me trying to do ableton things on logic which I’m just going to have to drop that and learn the logic way
Appreciate!
I'm not near my iPad this afternoon, but, has any of you look up if Logic Pro for iPad now can automate/draw velocity on a track?
That is something we all missed in v1 or v.1.1 on LP4i...
:-)
The way I do it in Logic, which I think is the best of both worlds, is to first off make it all MIDI then bounce parts to audio if I want to do things that you can't easily do with MIDi. Whilst It's really easy to reverse the sample and have a separate MIDI note play a note backwards, sometimes it's just easier, as you say, with audio on the screen. But placing hi hats on the arrange window? Yeah, that's the Ableton way. I wouldn't want to do that with Logic TBH. Logic comes from a MIDI only heritage -- It was a 'Pro' sequencer before Live was a twinkle in Ableton's eye.
I often bounce drums to audio and then chop them up, glitch them, reverse the entire loop, etc.
If you make a track stack or output loads of separate drum channels to a single bus. you can record the drums summed and then go nuts with the audio. But when it comes to actually programming the beat, MIDI all day... The pattern editor is great for this.
The inspector/parameter panel is one of the best things about Logic. You can do all sorts of things to regions without having to open an editor window. I do 99% of all my quantising in the arrange window. All the parameters are non-destructive so you can always get back to where you were. The delay feature is great too. Tweaking regions to get the timing bang on without trying to drag notes one pixel to the left in a piano roll is a hair saver. I would be pulling my hair out if I had to do that in the editor window in another sequencer/DAW lol.
There's so much power being able to quickly change region parameters directly in the arrange window. Another example is transposing. If I make say a new section of a song and want to transpose it up a 5th all I have to do is repeat the regions then with them all selected transpose them up 5 in the inspector. Takes 1 second. and is non-destructive so if I change my mind it takes one second to try a different amount... I think you get the drift.
That's the only way to go. Whichever DAW you switch to, you have to try and work with it the way it's intended. Trying to use Live like I use Logic is an exercise in frustration. And vice versa. No rights or wrongs, just use them to their strengths.
You're very welcome
You are right man, i got to get it of my old ways and accept logic for how it works.
Doing the MIDI, then pushing to audio actually sounds a lot simpler than arranging this way, especially on an iPad. It’s quick on desktop for me but a lot more tedious on this device.
I’ll do shorter one shots in audio and the longer stuff just in MIDI then flip it over to audio and mess with it more.
I’ve been experimenting with the inspector all morning, it is a great feature and especially since it can be per step!
Really appreciate the insights man!