Logic Pro - the missing features

cyberheater

@Luxthor said:

@cyberheater said:

@Luxthor said:
If anyone is interested, SugarBytes DrumComputer multi-out works fine, just tested it. Need to close Logic so you can choose a multi-out version of the plugin.

That is awesome. I just bought DrumComputer.

Glad you like it! Highly recommend the Apple Pencil to work with anything SugarBytes, it’s almost mandatory.

Thanks. I did get an Apple Pencil as well. I'll give it a go.

Gavinski

I only find that for some of the older ones like Thesys, tbh. Aparillo and Drum Computer, for example, seem absolutely fine without a pencil to me.

@Luxthor said:

@cyberheater said:

@Luxthor said:
If anyone is interested, SugarBytes DrumComputer multi-out works fine, just tested it. Need to close Logic so you can choose a multi-out version of the plugin.

That is awesome. I just bought DrumComputer.

Glad you like it! Highly recommend the Apple Pencil to work with anything SugarBytes, it’s almost mandatory.

Luxthor

@Gavinski said:
I only find that for some of the older ones like Thesys, tbh. Aparillo and Drum Computer, for example, seem absolutely fine without a pencil to me.

@Luxthor said:

@cyberheater said:

@Luxthor said:
If anyone is interested, SugarBytes DrumComputer multi-out works fine, just tested it. Need to close Logic so you can choose a multi-out version of the plugin.

That is awesome. I just bought DrumComputer.

Glad you like it! Highly recommend the Apple Pencil to work with anything SugarBytes, it’s almost mandatory.

My experience of using SugarBytes tools with pencil so far.

• Without pencil: Unique, Aparillo, Factory.
• Better with but you can do without pencil: Egoist, Turnado, Effectrix, Looperator, WoW.
• With pencil: Thesys, DrumComputer, Cyclop.

Pretty much different from your experience. My initial intention was just a recommendation, not to force anyone into purchasing the Apple Pencil, it’s really expensive for what it is. Just saying, I know you didn’t imply anything. What is your most pencil needing SugarBytes app?

zzrwood

@realdawei said:

@monz0id said:
No option to slide notes using the Studio Strings instruments via the appropriate fingerboard, only preset, fixed ‘articulations’.

has anyone figured out how to switch articulations dynamically while performing? ( if it’s in the manual feel free to to direct me there )

It is in the manual, under “keyswitch mapping” on pages 841 for horns and 846 for strings.

I haven’t been able to get it working with an external midi controller, but can on my Mac…

realdawei

@zzrwood said:

@realdawei said:

@monz0id said:
No option to slide notes using the Studio Strings instruments via the appropriate fingerboard, only preset, fixed ‘articulations’.

has anyone figured out how to switch articulations dynamically while performing? ( if it’s in the manual feel free to to direct me there )

It is in the manual, under “keyswitch mapping” on pages 841 for horns and 846 for strings.

I haven’t been able to get it working with an external midi controller, but can on my Mac…

Thanks..doesn’t work for me either…bug reporting time I guess

Gavinski

Oh definitely Thesys really benefits from a pencil, as mentioned above, though it does have the zoom view!

I lost my 2nd gen pencil unfortunately, and I found I had used it so little that I really couldn't justify buying a new one. I might pick one up 2nd hand or perhaps just get one of the cheaper styluses. More likely I'll just go without and avoid apps that need it, almost as a protest, because to me no music app should need a bloody pencil in order to be functional. If it needs a pencil to use, it's likely also going to be harsh on the eyes. I don't have big chunky hands anyway (not implying you do 😂) so that helps.

klownshed

@baconink said:

Now if I could only use my X Touch control surface, this would fill all my requirements! It’s pretty close, and light years ahead of Cubasis at this point.

If the x-touch sends out MIDI cc that might be possible using midi scripter:

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/56050/logic-pro-mapping-controllers-to-parameters-midi-scripter-hack

ervin

@cyberheater said:

@Luxthor said:

@cyberheater said:

@Luxthor said:
If anyone is interested, SugarBytes DrumComputer multi-out works fine, just tested it. Need to close Logic so you can choose a multi-out version of the plugin.

That is awesome. I just bought DrumComputer.

Glad you like it! Highly recommend the Apple Pencil to work with anything SugarBytes, it’s almost mandatory.

Thanks. I did get an Apple Pencil as well. I'll give it a go.

As an aside for those on a tighter budget, the generic pencils usually available for 20-30 units tend to be absolutely fine for this kind of use with music apps (Sugarbytes, Fabfilter, Babyaudio, the usual suspects with microscopic UI). They may not have the more esoteric features of the Apple one, but they also cost a fraction. 👍

DovJ

@klownshed said:

@baconink said:

Now if I could only use my X Touch control surface, this would fill all my requirements! It’s pretty close, and light years ahead of Cubasis at this point.

If the x-touch sends out MIDI cc that might be possible using midi scripter:

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/56050/logic-pro-mapping-controllers-to-parameters-midi-scripter-hack

@klownshed Mackie protocol is a blend of CC’s and MIDI notes. That said, as Mackie is an interactive protocol that supports functions like motorized faders and meters, there’s a “handshake” of sorts between the Mackie MCU controller and the DAW. When that occurs, the scribble scripts show track names and the faders jump to the appropriate position (forgive me if you know all of this already!). Unless this handshake occurs, the control surface isn’t much use. The faders lock down at the bottom of their travel and return there if moved. Or at least that’s what my X Touch does.

Other Behringer control surface models support Mackie and MIDI Learn. In MIDI Learn mode, presumably your idea would work. Alas, I have their top of the line X Touch, which doesn’t include MIDI Learn.

If I get desperate enough, I might use your solution with the “Remote” function on my Virus TI2 Desktop synth, which does support an elaborate MIDI Learn capability. I could also use my BomeBox (a fabulous piece of MIDI kit, I will add, if you are technically-minded) to translate Mackie MCU to MIDI CC bidirectionally. Bome users have apparently done this.

That said, I’ve dreamed of full Mackie functionality for that ‘ol time analog studio console feel, which is why I bought the X Touch in the first place. It works wonders on my XR18 mixer, and sort of functions with Cubasis (which is why I ordered it). Cubasis’ Mackie support is only partial, and is buggy at that. So, I gave up on using it with Cubasis.

Now I have high hopes that Apple will port over their Mackie support from Logic Pro Mac. Needless to say, I made the request on their portal as soon as I confirmed that this was missing in the iPad version.

Luxthor

@Gavinski said:
Oh definitely Thesys really benefits from a pencil, as mentioned above, though it does have the zoom view!

I lost my 2nd gen pencil unfortunately, and I found I had used it so little that I really couldn't justify buying a new one. I might pick one up 2nd hand or perhaps just get one of the cheaper styluses. More likely I'll just go without and avoid apps that need it, almost as a protest, because to me no music app should need a bloody pencil in order to be functional. If it needs a pencil to use, it's likely also going to be harsh on the eyes. I don't have big chunky hands anyway (not implying you do 😂) so that helps.

You lost yours, I lost mine. Apple snatched it. 😂 So, in a way I was forced to pay 2x the price.
Understand your anger towards those apps, but they are initially designed to work on desktop. Also there are lots of people like me that are more than happy to see those apps ported over to iPad as it is. Because in contrast, we will never ever see those tools ported over. So the Pencil is a godsend device for making compromises.

This stand initially was funny, after Apple deprecated first gen. pencils for iPad Pro, it becomes utter irony. 😵‍💫

klownshed

@DovJ said:

@klownshed said:

@baconink said:

Now if I could only use my X Touch control surface, this would fill all my requirements! It’s pretty close, and light years ahead of Cubasis at this point.

If the x-touch sends out MIDI cc that might be possible using midi scripter:

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/56050/logic-pro-mapping-controllers-to-parameters-midi-scripter-hack

@klownshed Mackie protocol is a blend of CC’s and MIDI notes. That said, as Mackie is an interactive protocol that supports functions like motorized faders and meters, there’s a “handshake” of sorts between the Mackie MCU controller and the DAW. When that occurs, the scribble scripts show track names and the faders jump to the appropriate position (forgive me if you know all of this already!). Unless this handshake occurs, the control surface isn’t much use. The faders lock down at the bottom of their travel and return there if moved. Or at least that’s what my X Touch does.

Other Behringer control surface models support Mackie and MIDI Learn. In MIDI Learn mode, presumably your idea would work. Alas, I have their top of the line X Touch, which doesn’t include MIDI Learn.

If I get desperate enough, I might use your solution with the “Remote” function on my Virus TI2 Desktop synth, which does support an elaborate MIDI Learn capability. I could also use my BomeBox (a fabulous piece of MIDI kit, I will add, if you are technically-minded) to translate Mackie MCU to MIDI CC bidirectionally. Bome users have apparently done this.

That said, I’ve dreamed of full Mackie functionality for that ‘ol time analog studio console feel, which is why I bought the X Touch in the first place. It works wonders on my XR18 mixer, and sort of functions with Cubasis (which is why I ordered it). Cubasis’ Mackie support is only partial, and is buggy at that. So, I gave up on using it with Cubasis.

Now I have high hopes that Apple will port over their Mackie support from Logic Pro Mac. Needless to say, I made the request on their portal as soon as I confirmed that this was missing in the iPad version.

I know how Mackie control works, I just didn't know if the X Touch could also send plain CCs.

The script is very simple. It just maps CCs, notes, aftertouch, etc. to any CC or Plugin parameter target. It won't be any kind of replacement for Mackie Control.

You can do things like map the knobs on a controller to any plugin parameter in the track (instrument + any fx) or convert CC to aftertouch, velocity to cut-off etc. I haven't figured out if it's possible to control the fader/pan of the track yet. Haven't had a deep dive into the API.

But I don't think that you will be able to automate your mix with a script.

I'd guess that the code for makie control is still there in the iPad app, they just haven't built a UI to set it up with the iPad yet so have it disabled.

Samu

Now that I've spent a considerable amount of time digging thru most aspects of LogicPro for iPad I've come up with a few things that are really missing, others things can be 'stream-lined' but the functionality is already there...

• Integrate Files.app/Document Picker to the 'Browser' via favorite Locations the user can add/remove.
• Import & Export of Audio & Midi Events from the time line to a Browser location using Drag'n'Drop.
• Add Save Audio File to Audio Event Editor and Quick Sampler.
• Integrate 'Files in Project' to the Browser for easy access to all audio files and regions within the project bundle.
• Add Velocity editing to Automation Editor just like in Desktop Logic...
• Flexi Pitch when editing Audio Regions.
• Varispeed (It's a pretty neat effect to simulate the slowing down or speeding up a tape).
• Add Midi Out port setting per Track (This would allow easy Track 2 Track routing of Midi as Logic already has Virtual In & Out Ports so why not let us use them within Logic?).
• AUv3 Midi Plug-Ins with multiple out ports could be treated as Virtual Midi Ports usable on any track.

And over all increased stability when dealing with AUv3s, Audio Regions in Take Folders etc.
(My iPad has already sent 20+ crash-reports back to Apple and I've done nothing 'special' just every day usage).

But yeah, other than that I'm surprisingly happy with LogicPro for iPad.

I got a bit discouraged when I read some of the terms & conditions of Apple feedback...
...especially when it came to feature suggestions as they, depending on who does the initial review of the post could end up in the trash never even reaching those in charge of LogicPro for iPad...

But hey, at least I've bombarded them with my 'wishes' so we'll se if they bite or not...

Cheers!

DovJ

I'd guess that the code for makie control is still there in the iPad app, they just haven't built a UI to set it up with the iPad yet so have it disabled.

@klownshed thanks for building and sharing your Scripter solution!

I sure hope you’re right about the Mackie code being there already.

SuperNiCd

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but when using the MIDI editor, I can’t find a way to show kit piece names when using a DMD or DKD kit. It just shows piano keys. I was watching a video on the desktop version and it looks like it has that. Seems like a small thing, but actually pretty big in terms of usability.

ErrkaPetti

@SuperNiCd said:
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but when using the MIDI editor, I can’t find a way to show kit piece names when using a DMD or DKD kit. It just shows piano keys. I was watching a video on the desktop version and it looks like it has that. Seems like a small thing, but actually pretty big in terms of usability.

Must be better to use Pattern Mode if you wants to program drums, rather than the Piano Roll…

SuperNiCd

@ErrkaPetti said:

@SuperNiCd said:
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but when using the MIDI editor, I can’t find a way to show kit piece names when using a DMD or DKD kit. It just shows piano keys. I was watching a video on the desktop version and it looks like it has that. Seems like a small thing, but actually pretty big in terms of usability.

Must be better to use Pattern Mode if you wants to program drums, rather than the Piano Roll…

Yep, that’s the mode that provides drawing velocity automation as well. It does seem best all around for drum editing.

geremy

For me the major issue is no track-to-track midi. I like to use Senode a lot and my preference would be to have Senode on a single track solo, and then instrument tracks receiving the midi but this does not seem currently possible (even with Logic Virtual MIDI In).

In fact, if you have a midi generator on a track, it won’t even receive transport unless there is also an instrument on the track…or at least Senode will not unless I add an instrument after it.

Also, I really prefer to be able to view multiple AUv3 windows simultaneously. This does not seem currently possible either.

klownshed

@geremy said:
For me the major issue is no track-to-track midi. I like to use Senode a lot and my preference would be to have Senode on a single track solo, and then instrument tracks receiving the midi but this does not seem currently possible (even with Logic Virtual MIDI In).

In fact, if you have a midi generator on a track, it won’t even receive transport unless there is also an instrument on the track…or at least Senode will not unless I add an instrument after it.

Also, I really prefer to be able to view multiple AUv3 windows simultaneously. This does not seem currently possible either.

Have you tried putting it on the top track of a track stack?

Any midi you have on the top level will be passed to every track inside the stack.

geremy

Summing stack or folding stack?

I tried both and couldn’t get it to work. On summing, you can only put an audio effect in the top slot. In folding, you can’t put anything in the top level. I tried putting it on the first subtrack, but it doesn’t route to the other sub tracks.

stormywaterz

I’ve been looking for two things.

1. Instead of bar counts I want it to show minutes. Has anyone found how to switch it in the display?
2. I’d like to see the notes on the piano roll on the left side so I can see what I’m selecting. Also is there a way to change the background color of the piano roll. The lines are a little too dark sometimes.

ErrkaPetti

@stormywaterz said:
I’ve been looking for two things.

1. Instead of bar counts I want it to show minutes. Has anyone found how to switch it in the display?
2. I’d like to see the notes on the piano roll on the left side so I can see what I’m selecting. Also is there a way to change the background color of the piano roll. The lines are a little too dark sometimes.

Number 1: I have both bars and time in my top display… Be find in the settings…
Number 2: Don’t get what you’re after here - do you mean that the piano roll should highlight corresponding key whatever note/notes you select?

richardyot

@geremy said:
Summing stack or folding stack?

I tried both and couldn’t get it to work. On summing, you can only put an audio effect in the top slot. In folding, you can’t put anything in the top level. I tried putting it on the first subtrack, but it doesn’t route to the other sub tracks.

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/55839/logic-pro-stacks-and-groups-a-quick-guide

ik2000

@stormywaterz To add time to the display follow the steps below

Then,

Hope that helps.

stormywaterz

@ik2000 said:
@stormywaterz To add time to the display follow the steps below

Then,

Hope that helps.

Thank you for this. 🙏🏼

stormywaterz

@ErrkaPetti said:

@stormywaterz said:
I’ve been looking for two things.

1. Instead of bar counts I want it to show minutes. Has anyone found how to switch it in the display?
2. I’d like to see the notes on the piano roll on the left side so I can see what I’m selecting. Also is there a way to change the background color of the piano roll. The lines are a little too dark sometimes.

Number 1: I have both bars and time in my top display… Be find in the settings…
Number 2: Don’t get what you’re after here - do you mean that the piano roll should highlight corresponding key whatever note/notes you select?

When ever you are editing piano roll the keys on left would be labeled what key it is besides putting a Note down to see what it actually is if that makes since

Samu

@stormywaterz said:

When ever you are editing piano roll the keys on left would be labeled what key it is besides putting a Note down to see what it actually is if that makes since

But at least you can show the note on the note label together with velocity

The basic 12-tone scale is easy enough to memorize, where is G, where is E, where is D# etc.

geremy

@richardyot said:

@geremy said:
Summing stack or folding stack?

I tried both and couldn’t get it to work. On summing, you can only put an audio effect in the top slot. In folding, you can’t put anything in the top level. I tried putting it on the first subtrack, but it doesn’t route to the other sub tracks.

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/55839/logic-pro-stacks-and-groups-a-quick-guide

I have read that, and can’t get midi to route between tracks.

richardyot

@geremy said:

@richardyot said:

@geremy said:
Summing stack or folding stack?

I tried both and couldn’t get it to work. On summing, you can only put an audio effect in the top slot. In folding, you can’t put anything in the top level. I tried putting it on the first subtrack, but it doesn’t route to the other sub tracks.

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/55839/logic-pro-stacks-and-groups-a-quick-guide

I have read that, and can’t get midi to route between tracks.

There is no MIDI routing in Logic. Closest thing you can do is to add an audio effect to a MIDI track and use the side chain to route audio in from another track.

ErrkaPetti

@richardyot said:

@geremy said:

@richardyot said:

@geremy said:
Summing stack or folding stack?

I tried both and couldn’t get it to work. On summing, you can only put an audio effect in the top slot. In folding, you can’t put anything in the top level. I tried putting it on the first subtrack, but it doesn’t route to the other sub tracks.

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/55839/logic-pro-stacks-and-groups-a-quick-guide

I have read that, and can’t get midi to route between tracks.

There is no MIDI routing in Logic. Closest thing you can do is to add an audio effect to a MIDI track and use the side chain to route audio in from another track.

…or, use the MIDI/AUDIO LOOPBACK plugin…

geremy

@richardyot said:

@geremy said:

@richardyot said:

@geremy said:
Summing stack or folding stack?

I tried both and couldn’t get it to work. On summing, you can only put an audio effect in the top slot. In folding, you can’t put anything in the top level. I tried putting it on the first subtrack, but it doesn’t route to the other sub tracks.

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/55839/logic-pro-stacks-and-groups-a-quick-guide

I have read that, and can’t get midi to route between tracks.

There is no MIDI routing in Logic. Closest thing you can do is to add an audio effect to a MIDI track and use the side chain to route audio in from another track.

Ok, then why send a pointer when the previous post from @klownshed was about routing midi within track stacks?