Logic Pro - the missing features

boomer

@boomer said:
Velocity automation. Can someone tell me where it is?

I’m going to answer my own question and suggest that this is a missing feature. Read all the help and watched the vids. You can’t see velocities separate from pitches or draw in velocity crescendo. Have to do it one note at a time. This is so basic to any sequencer that I can’t believe it’s missing here. Someone please tell me I’m wrong.

NeuM

@Samu said:
Some of these 'Youtube Pro Producers' not even worthy to be called 'Producers' to be totally honest...
...they do the videos for clicks to feed their egos.

Most have a very 'fixed mindset' and are afraid of changes like the plague.

Soon there will be more Logic for iPad users than there are Desktop Logic users...
(I would not be at all surprised if the iOS GarageBand users already outnumber Desktop Logic users).

100% agree.

Luxthor

If anyone is interested, SugarBytes DrumComputer multi-out works fine, just tested it. Need to close Logic so you can choose a multi-out version of the plugin.

[Deleted User]

@Samu said:
Some of these 'Youtube Pro Producers' not even worthy to be called 'Producers' to be totally honest...
...they do the videos for clicks to feed their egos.

Most have a very 'fixed mindset' and are afraid of changes like the plague.

Soon there will be more Logic for iPad users than there are Desktop Logic users...
(I would not be at all surprised if the iOS GarageBand users already outnumber Desktop Logic users).

Hat I want outlined is the thinking bad of many pro or so called . I agree that If we Apple one day publish statements about how many users of GB on IPad it will be interesting.

[Deleted User]

@Luxthor said:
If anyone is interested, SugarBytes DrumComputer multi-out works fine, just tested it. Need to close Logic so you can choose a multi-out version of the plugin.

Really interested as I use it and I ne er use in a host just standalone.

ervin

An obvious one, just to have it in the collection - missing search function in the instrument selection window. And no, the “replace-workaround” is not a solution, it just demonstrates how lame it is to have omitted search in the selection section. And then sorting the plug-ins by developer adds further insult to injury 😏👌

andrewmalone

This is brilliant! Glad to see multi-out AUv3 does in fact work…

Has anyone had any luck with multi-in (like Loopy Pro/Drambo), or plugins that support multiple instances (like Scatterbrain)?

Luxthor

@janpieter said:

@SuperNiCd said:

@janpieter said:

@gregsmith said:
No multi-out support for hosted auv3s it seems

After some reading here and on Steinberg’s Cubasis forum (!)… here’s how to proceed for multi-out in Logic.

1. Load the multi-out version of the AU on a track (I used FAC Drumkit), and assign the output busses (called EXT1, etc in FAC Drumkit).

2. Add as many sends as you want to use multi-outs to that track (these will now appear in the mixer as numbered aux channels, they’re not immediately visible on the track view but - just as the output track that doesn’t show by default - you can make them show up as tracks just as the output track).

note: after adding the first send use the ‘back’ icon on the plugin view header, then you will be able to add the next send (after adding the first send you will at first only see an option to add an audio effect..).

3. Go to the mixer view. The aux (send) tracks will each show a bus as their input. Click on such a bus icon. In the menu that appears there will be an option (the third) with the name of the track where you loaded your multi-out AU. Click on that and choose your desired output for that aux/send.

4. Repeat.

Thanks. I tried this with Drum Computer but can’t get it to work so far. When I go to the mixer to set the input for the Aux tracks, I’m not seeing that 3rd option with the name of the track drum computer is on. As far as I can tell there isn’t a choice between DC stereo and multi-out. There’s just a single AU to choose from and you configure whether it’s stereo or multi out in the settings of the app.

Downloaded drumcomputer and at first I had the same as you: the third option did not appear.
Then I quit Logic and reloaded the project: option appears (10 out channels).

Thank you so much for this reload trick, I almost gave up from multi-out. 😀

el_bo

@ErrkaPetti said:
And then sorting the plug-ins by developer adds further insult to injury 😏👌

Not dismissing your criticism, but that's how it's always been in Logic. Kinda used to it, I guess. But it would be good to see the option to choose, within settings

Janosax

It’s not that easy to find that + button, I was sure it was made to add channels and didn’t use it yet… until now. Logic misses some logic quite often IMHO, things can be quite hard to find to some people. I don’t find it so intuitive at all.

ErrkaPetti

@el_bo said:

@ErrkaPetti said:
And then sorting the plug-ins by developer adds further insult to injury 😏👌

Not dismissing your criticism, but that's how it's always been in Logic. Kinda used to it, I guess. But it would be good to see the option to choose, within settings

That was not my words!
Talk to @ervin instead… 😎😎

auxmux

@BroCoast said:
MIDI mapping is a huge missing thing for me.

This

el_bo

@ErrkaPetti said:

@el_bo said:

@ErrkaPetti said:
And then sorting the plug-ins by developer adds further insult to injury 😏👌

Not dismissing your criticism, but that's how it's always been in Logic. Kinda used to it, I guess. But it would be good to see the option to choose, within settings

That was not my words!
Talk to @ervin instead… 😎😎

Oops! Not intentional

SuperNiCd

@RajahP said:

@garden said:
What drives me nuts is that, while you can convert a Drummer track to a MIDI region and edit the pattern, you can’t convert that region back to a Drummer track with the edits intact, to continue using the Drummer features. The option is there, but when you make the conversion it just reverts to the original Drummer pattern. What even is the point?

Converted a Drummer region to Pattern region (Seems that option only comes up for 4 bars or less).. Did some editing and reverted back to a Drummer region… nothing changed..
Hope this is a bug and will be fixed.. Can only imagine the possibilities of having this… Lumbeat drummers on steroids.

Another strange thing I noticed here. When I converted a drummer track to a pattern, the pattern only seemed to allow monophonic entry for new steps. In other words if there was a kick on beat 1, and I tapped the same beat for a snare hit (or any kit piece), the kick hit as well as anything else in that column would automatically turn off. Existing polyphony that came from the drummer seemed to stay intact.

animal

@richardyot said: „So if you want to route MIDI from one track to another, at this time it doesn't seem to be possible natively in the app. The best hope is for a third-party app to come to the rescue and offer a way to do this.“
—this is possible, at least in Wotja settings you can choose „Logic Pro virtual in“ as a destination. Thus Midi can be routed however one wishes…
not sure about possible other „Midi-senders“.

ErrkaPetti

Anyone getting the Sustain Pedal to be recorded into LP4i?

For me I must also record the automation (choose Sus Pedal there) as a workaround when playing Pianoteq on my 88 key Midi Controller with pedal connected…

[Deleted User]

@Janosax said:
It’s not that easy to find that + button, I was sure it was made to add channels and didn’t use it yet… until now. Logic misses some logic quite often IMHO, things can be quite hard to find to some people. I don’t find it so intuitive at all.

I agree that Logic is not so logic 😂 it is not very new even before it was a kind of joke about it.

I feel pretty too logical to understand the logic to learn the Desktop one years ago so I was putting post it to remenber but using post it’s on your iPad screen is not the best things 😂

Janosax

Small test with midi playing a piano, first blue regions are midi bounce to audio with no effects added. Green region is bounce from same midi/piano but with multiple high latency plugins Maxima. Red region is bounce from same midi/piano but with multiple Maxima/NoLimits with look ahead set to max and timing seems to be messed as you can see on bounce track. Not that bad just be careful with some dynamic plugins with look ahead which usually are used on master so tracks timing should still be good.

RajahP

@SuperNiCd said:

@RajahP said:

@garden said:
What drives me nuts is that, while you can convert a Drummer track to a MIDI region and edit the pattern, you can’t convert that region back to a Drummer track with the edits intact, to continue using the Drummer features. The option is there, but when you make the conversion it just reverts to the original Drummer pattern. What even is the point?

Converted a Drummer region to Pattern region (Seems that option only comes up for 4 bars or less).. Did some editing and reverted back to a Drummer region… nothing changed..
Hope this is a bug and will be fixed.. Can only imagine the possibilities of having this… Lumbeat drummers on steroids.

Another strange thing I noticed here. When I converted a drummer track to a pattern, the pattern only seemed to allow monophonic entry for new steps. In other words if there was a kick on beat 1, and I tapped the same beat for a snare hit (or any kit piece), the kick hit as well as anything else in that column would automatically turn off. Existing polyphony that came from the drummer seemed to stay intact.

Did you try turning this button off?

SuperNiCd

@RajahP said:
Did you try turning this button off?

Haha, no. Thank you! I think that was probably in one of the tutorial projects I went through and I had completely forgot about it. Wish there were some tool tips on some of these things, or one of those help buttons that puts an overlay on top. Some of the icons are obvious to me, others not so much.

RajahP

@SuperNiCd said:

@RajahP said:
Did you try turning this button off?

Haha, no. Thank you! I think that was probably in one of the tutorial projects I went through and I had completely forgot about it. Wish there were some tool tips on some of these things, or one of those help buttons that puts an overlay on top. Some of the icons are obvious to me, others not so much.

I had to figure it out myself.. it’s a nice knob.. 😎

Samu

@ErrkaPetti said:
Anyone getting the Sustain Pedal to be recorded into LP4i?

For me I must also record the automation (choose Sus Pedal there) as a workaround when playing Pianoteq on my 88 key Midi Controller with pedal connected…

So far no issues recording sustain pedal using the CME Xkey 25 (on that device sustain-pedal is a button).

Jeezs

No global clipboard compatible copy paste.
Not even possible to bounce an audio take to disk without bouncing all the tracks
So it’s very difficult to import a logic into loopy or other auv3.

caminante

Great thread. Remember to send Apple feedback about bugs and feature or enhancement requests at: https://www.apple.com/feedback/logic-pro/
It doesn't matter if you think somebody else has done it, they need to hear these requests repeatedly and often.

Samu

@caminante said:
Great thread. Remember to send Apple feedback about bugs and feature or enhancement requests at: https://www.apple.com/feedback/logic-pro/
It doesn't matter if you think somebody else has done it, they need to hear these requests repeatedly and often.

Already done my share, almost every single thing I've pointed out in all these threads so far has been also been sent to Logic HQ using the feedback form in a polished form

ervin

@el_bo said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@el_bo said:

@ErrkaPetti said:
And then sorting the plug-ins by developer adds further insult to injury 😏👌

Not dismissing your criticism, but that's how it's always been in Logic. Kinda used to it, I guess. But it would be good to see the option to choose, within settings

That was not my words!
Talk to @ervin instead… 😎😎

Oops! Not intentional

No worries. Indeed, it is like that in Logic on the Mac as well and it’s just as frustrating, at least for me 💁

Maybe on iOS it’s a bit worse since developers sometimes use their names incorrectly or inconsistently in their various products. But in general, lack of search when selecting plugins has no justification whatsoever, regardless of the platform imho. It’s a basic usability fail if you ask me.

But at least it’s good for Aube 👍

Samu

@ervin said:

Maybe on iOS it’s a bit worse since developers sometimes use their names incorrectly or inconsistently in their various products. But in general, lack of search when selecting plugins has no justification whatsoever, regardless of the platform imho. It’s a basic usability fail if you ask me.

That's one of the reasons I choose to create 'empty' Midi tracks. (ie. in the settings for Midi track select 'none' and keep the browser closed). This way It's once the track is created it's one tap & search to find a plug-in, Internal or AUv3.

The iPad Logic has an edge over the Mac version with the search when adding plug-ins to a track

ervin

@Samu said:

@ervin said:

Maybe on iOS it’s a bit worse since developers sometimes use their names incorrectly or inconsistently in their various products. But in general, lack of search when selecting plugins has no justification whatsoever, regardless of the platform imho. It’s a basic usability fail if you ask me.

That's one of the reasons I choose to create 'empty' Midi tracks. (ie. in the settings for Midi track select 'none' and keep the browser closed). This way It's once the track is created it's one tap & search to find a plug-in, Internal or AUv3.

The iPad Logic has an edge over the Mac version with the search when adding plug-ins to a track

I do the same but it’s still a workaround. I fully agree with your last sentence though, now the lack of search really bothers me in Logic Mac, whereas earlier it was just slightly annoying 😂

el_bo

@ervin said:

@el_bo said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@el_bo said:

@ErrkaPetti said:
And then sorting the plug-ins by developer adds further insult to injury 😏👌

Not dismissing your criticism, but that's how it's always been in Logic. Kinda used to it, I guess. But it would be good to see the option to choose, within settings

That was not my words!
Talk to @ervin instead… 😎😎

Oops! Not intentional

No worries. Indeed, it is like that in Logic on the Mac as well and it’s just as frustrating, at least for me 💁

Maybe on iOS it’s a bit worse since developers sometimes use their names incorrectly or inconsistently in their various products. But in general, lack of search when selecting plugins has no justification whatsoever, regardless of the platform imho. It’s a basic usability fail if you ask me.

But at least it’s good for Aube 👍

Haha! On the desktop version of Logic, I regularly start looking for a plugin before my mind has remembered what it's called. So I open up the AU browser, then scan the cursor up and down the list of developer names, which is no help remembering the plugin...until I finally remember what it is I want. So while a search option would be of zero help for me in this case, having a list of plugin names in front of me definitely would (Custom plugin folders is also a life-saver).

As much as I support the availability of such a plugin as AUBE, my current game-plan is to at least try and restrict my iOS plugin list enough that I won't need it

Artem

@Janosax said:
Small test with midi playing a piano, first blue regions are midi bounce to audio with no effects added. Green region is bounce from same midi/piano but with multiple high latency plugins Maxima. Red region is bounce from same midi/piano but with multiple Maxima/NoLimits with look ahead set to max and timing seems to be messed as you can see on bounce track. Not that bad just be careful with some dynamic plugins with look ahead which usually are used on master so tracks timing should still be good.

Interesting! But how did you convert MIDI to an audio track to make this comparison? Have you exported the audio and then imported it back into Logic or is there some easier way?