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Let me know how you go - keen to hear how well it's worked and with your plan to use Bleass
Cheers mate.
When I use it (not if, but when), I'll probably mention it in the release notes of whatever track I used it on. And trust me, I tend to blab on and on and on about these things. 😂
Just gave it a quick spin, and it is what we hoped. Excellent sounding midi playable harmonizer (with MPE!), real-time mode works very well without reducing quality in any way that I initially notice so I would definitely use this on stage. Sound like Manhattan Transfer all on your own, channel your inner Jacob Collier/Imogen Heap. Or like @Fear2Stop alludes to do something with your mono synths. Basically no need to bring a TC Voicelive hardware unit to gigs any more unless you really want to. And MPE in a harmonizer is completely a first. The obvious things I mapped to Y on the Linnstrument being formant and filter.
I think my life might be complete.
I've tried almost all other harmonizers in VST, and though I haven't tried all hardware, I know the VoiceLive range well, and the sound is easily as good, and I think though I haven't A/B'd yet, I think a smidge better. You quite easily notice on many harmonizers including TC voicelive, a clear relatively neutral condenser microphone is actually worse sounding, seemingly harsh spectral resonance or something, whereas a darker SM58 or a ribbon, is much nicer,, now with Bleass I'm just trying an AKG condenser headset which is usually quite ugly in that way through a harmonizer, and I can for sure live with it, it's not annoying me, which through the TC it would, I would like to check with a SM58 or ribbon but I don't have with me right now.
Not perfect because no real time harmonizing could be, but with sensitive technique this can definitely be smooth enough. I suspect the engine is granular under the hood(?)
And easy to use, of course, as Bleass interfaces are.
Apparently the video premieres in about 40 minutes...
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Have yet to test it (kinda hard for a bad singer.. or is it?) but here's another demo video
Very impressed.
Purchased!
Nice demo vids so far. I hope someone out there will test Voices in something other than AUM. 🤣 As far as I'm aware it's the only app on iOS where a user can send MIDI into an effect AUv3.
Not exactly, I've been sending midi into SampleWiz and FRMS, in Loopy Pro, as effects on audio input channels or busses, which is the only way to use them in a host as real-time samplers. When used as instruments they have no access to the audio input. I haven't done it myself but I think similarly Silo and Fluss both granular fx than have midi playability can be done that way. Of course it's a different thing as they're not harmonizers.
Will you still use vocal studio to send audio?
Great demo by Rooshie there!
Interesting.
We shall see. I have to continue to get acquainted with vocal tune studio. 😂
Don't (almost?) all AUv3 effects allow for modulation via midi? It seems that's no different from what's going on with Voices. Incoming audio is necessary for the effect to have something to process, using the incoming midi to determine how it gets processed. Same as the way any effect works, though I assume in this case it's midi note messages sent in rather than cc's. Because it has MPE, seems like this could be kind of a poor man's way to mpe-ify a synth, though it's not quite the same thing because all the extra voices/pitches are getting generated by copying and processing the main one.
Its mpe midi also.
So midi would effect the vocal app.
Even if you sent another keyboards audio, which itself midi triggered, into app.
I guess this app is more for live plus voice altering fx.
Even if pitching were as good with this app.
Adjusting pitch would be automated.
So for studio recording.
Vocal studio might be good to sort pitch then send through this app?
So, if you add this as an insert on an audio track with a vocal in Logic, can you send MIDI notes to it simultaneously?
AFAIK the answer is no, which is a bit of a fail for Logic. Apple should really fix the MIDI routing in their Pro DAW.
See this was the exact question I was wondering about, but didn't want to say the magic word "Logic" out loud. 😆 Lol.
Yikes, that sucks
Difficult to hear what the fx is doing in these vids, but she has such a great voice I prefer the sound without the effect!
'> @monz0id said:
To me, that's pretty clear to hear. She harmonizes her voice into chords she plays herself on the Bleass keyboard while singing. For me, this is exactly what makes up a large part of the emotion and fascination of this great performance. That's exactly what she was about here and to leave that out and reduce it to her indeed wonderful solo voice would be pointless for this performance, to call it a demo doesn’t do it justice.
What I have heard so far from the few demos is a quite clearly audible slightly metallic coloration. You don't hear the slightest trace of that in Jacob Collier's performances. His equipment, developed by an employee of MIT in Boston, should probably not be used for comparison.
The layering of the voice is lovely, but I’m not particularly keen on, as you described it, the ‘ slightly metallic coloration’. For me, I don’t find that a benefit for this particular vocal.
As I’ve said, I find it difficult to hear what the fx is doing in a full performance, so a basic wet/dry demo would be more helpful.
Although a dry/ wet performance would be nice, it’s pretty obvious what the effect is doing. She’s singing a solo vocal, all harmonizing is provided by the app. Enough there to judge the quality, I reckon. I also don’t find it very metallic. It definitely sounds a lot better than the TC-Helicon harmonizer I bought a few years ago when I was doing guitar / gigs, which was much m more expensive and broke within about a year of buying it, despite having had little use.
Well, there you go, I can only comment on my own impressions and preferences.
Either or. Basic pitch correction, not the fully tweakable kind of Melodyne/Autotune is part of Bleass so maybe depends ho> @Polyphonix said:
Actually the Harmonizers Jacob uses aren't an MIT creation. To be specific, it's Ben Bloomberg an MIT graduate who does show design / playback engineering for a number of people including Jacob. The Bleass harmonizer is as metallic or unmetallic as the best of any other harmonizers out there including what Jacob uses. No harmonizing tech is entirely smooth, but this one is about as smooth as the smoothest. Of course the proof will be a head to head involving all of Eventide, TC, Boss, Roland, Waves, Melda, Devious Machines, Izotope, and now this from Bleass. Depending how far you push the various settings for formant and so on, and what mic you use and whether you EQ/multiband compress/spectral smooth can all aid in the smoothing. Mic choice is a massive difference maker as I've said earlier. An SM58 sounds way better through any of these harmonizers, than an AKGC414. Sibilant range gets really horrible even in what Jacob uses if you don't use a dark enough source.
Correction to myself, from Ben's own site, referring to a custom harmonizer, though I know in the past this began and for some time was a hack of existing harmonizer in chain so Jacob could get around voice limitations, so much of what we heard from Jacob was custom only in the aspect of more voices, it wasn't some special magic better than quality of the TC Voicelive and others, it had more voices.
https://ben.ai/bio/
The Bleass sounds as good, according to me anyway
It's not very metallic but enough to immediately strike me, at least, as somewhat vocoder-ish in a negative way. As an explicitly designed voices tool for harmonization, one can make certain demands. I would have been very happy if we had gotten a super natural top notch vocaliser.
And regarding Rooshie's performance I can only agree with @Monz0id, her voice would sound even better if she had the best vocaliser available at the moment.
But...maybe after a little tuning there is much more in Bleass Voices. I too would like to hear a few more demos with just voice to make a final judgement. In any case, an absolutely fascinating app and an enrichment for iOS.
Garbo talks! Doug sings!:
Having not watched any videos yet, has anyone used this on guitar or keyboards and what are your impressions?
This is more like it.