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BLEASS Voices by BLEASS (Released)

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  • @NeuM said:
    Perhaps using a de-esser somewhere in the chain would solve the harshness problem.

    It’s not a distortion in the sss/shhh spectrum but a digital processing noise, slightly chorus. I don’t know how to explain it, I’ll just have to turn all functions one by one and see if I get narrow it down.

  • edited June 2023

    @Gavinski said:
    I think what you need to do to enable sound only when there is midi is to go to the tune tab on the left, and play around with the settings til it shows only ‘midi’ and ‘all’. That way you can play the piped in audio as a kind of synth, with zero dry signal. Have you read the manual? I posted a zip to it earlier in this thread

    Yes, downloaded your manual, no, I didn’t read it. I generally try to figure it out myself but will if the stuck state persists!

    I’ll have another scroll through presets. I’m aware of the volumes in each voice module as well as dry/wet slider but that’s not it.

  • So as @Bruques has mentioned the main mic voice goes through the voice modules and is controlled by the module volume. When I tuned all of the voices off I was left with a vocoder type sound when using a midi keyboard as a guide. Adding just one voice with default settings made it sound more human and similar to other bread and butter hardware harmonisers.

    It’s actually nice to have that voco sound which sounds quite robotic but has a decent clarity. It’s more digital sounding when flatten is enabled which can be cool for some stuff.

    Very versatile even at this point even without delving into the sequencer.

  • How does this compare to TB Voicepitcher? I know it only has 2 parts.

  • .> @eylvy said:

    Have yet to test it (kinda hard for a bad singer.. or is it?) but here's another demo video

    Rooshie is cool.

    Shows how to use an ipad.

  • @HotStrange said:
    How does this compare to TB Voicepitcher? I know it only has 2 parts.

    No comparison. This has so many voices, is mpe, has very deep modulation capabilities etc. Would definitely go for this over Voicepitcher

  • edited June 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    How does this compare to TB Voicepitcher? I know it only has 2 parts.

    No comparison. This has so many voices, is mpe, has very deep modulation capabilities etc. Would definitely go for this over Voicepitcher

    Not sure about no comparison - TB has the format and delay options, EQ, and some basic modulation. It doesn’t do the vocoder stuff, has less voices and modulation options, but the voice pitching part is very similar.

    I’d forgotten I had this, and was going to buy Voices for the silly pitching malarkey, but looks like I’ve got the Pinky & Perky telephone call stuff covered with TB.

    Not actually as impressed as everyone else is with the chordal, vocoder element - too gltchy and tinny sounding for my curtains.

  • @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    How does this compare to TB Voicepitcher? I know it only has 2 parts.

    No comparison. This has so many voices, is mpe, has very deep modulation capabilities etc. Would definitely go for this over Voicepitcher

    Not sure about no comparison - TB has the format and delay options, EQ, and some basic modulation. It doesn’t do the vocoder stuff, has less voices and modulation options, but the voice pitching part is very similar.

    I’d forgotten I had this, and was going to buy Voices for the silly pitching malarkey, but looks like I’ve got the Pinky & Perky telephone call stuff covered with TB.

    Not actually as impressed as everyone else is with the chordal, vocoder element - too gltchy for my curtains.

    True it has the formants. That's the only really useful one for me from that list. The modulation possibilities in app are severely limited.

    I'm also not a huge fan of harmonizers btw, as I mentioned in the main Bleass thread. It took a lot of work to come up with a demo that I thought didn't sound cheesy. I'll take real, sung vocal harmonies over what these things can do any day.

  • edited June 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    How does this compare to TB Voicepitcher? I know it only has 2 parts.

    No comparison. This has so many voices, is mpe, has very deep modulation capabilities etc. Would definitely go for this over Voicepitcher

    Not sure about no comparison - TB has the format and delay options, EQ, and some basic modulation. It doesn’t do the vocoder stuff, has less voices and modulation options, but the voice pitching part is very similar.

    I’d forgotten I had this, and was going to buy Voices for the silly pitching malarkey, but looks like I’ve got the Pinky & Perky telephone call stuff covered with TB.

    Not actually as impressed as everyone else is with the chordal, vocoder element - too gltchy for my curtains.

    True it has the formants. That's the only really useful one for me from that list. The modulation possibilities in app are severely limited.

    You can set a four voice harmony, delay parts coming in, adjust the format, and make it sound more natural by tweaking the EQ. It’s AU, so if you need more voices just route in another instance.

    It obviously doesn’t have all the bells and whistles of Voices (though it has the edge on sound-sculpting with built-in EQ for the wet signal, as opposed to a single ‘filter’ control), but the core voice pitching functionality is there, which might cover enough bases for some users.

  • @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    How does this compare to TB Voicepitcher? I know it only has 2 parts.

    No comparison. This has so many voices, is mpe, has very deep modulation capabilities etc. Would definitely go for this over Voicepitcher

    Not sure about no comparison - TB has the format and delay options, EQ, and some basic modulation. It doesn’t do the vocoder stuff, has less voices and modulation options, but the voice pitching part is very similar.

    I’d forgotten I had this, and was going to buy Voices for the silly pitching malarkey, but looks like I’ve got the Pinky & Perky telephone call stuff covered with TB.

    Not actually as impressed as everyone else is with the chordal, vocoder element - too gltchy for my curtains.

    True it has the formants. That's the only really useful one for me from that list. The modulation possibilities in app are severely limited.

    You can set a four voice harmony, delay parts coming in, adjust the format, and make it sound more natural by tweaking the EQ. It’s AU, so if you need more voices just route in another instance.

    It obviously doesn’t have all the bells and whistles of Voices, but the core voice pitching functionality is there, which might cover enough bases for some users.

    True. Mpe is a pretty big advantage of the Bleass one, mind you, not that I demoed full mpe in my vid, only the pitch bend aspect.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    How does this compare to TB Voicepitcher? I know it only has 2 parts.

    No comparison. This has so many voices, is mpe, has very deep modulation capabilities etc. Would definitely go for this over Voicepitcher

    I have Voicepitcher already. Ended up getting Voices too as I had some extra cash on a gift card. We’ll see how it goes but I like it so far. I don’t do much singing myself, only occasionally and it’s much more Nick cave inspired but for vocal samples and other instruments I can see it being useful. And I love a vocoder.

  • edited June 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    How does this compare to TB Voicepitcher? I know it only has 2 parts.

    No comparison. This has so many voices, is mpe, has very deep modulation capabilities etc. Would definitely go for this over Voicepitcher

    Not sure about no comparison - TB has the format and delay options, EQ, and some basic modulation. It doesn’t do the vocoder stuff, has less voices and modulation options, but the voice pitching part is very similar.

    I’d forgotten I had this, and was going to buy Voices for the silly pitching malarkey, but looks like I’ve got the Pinky & Perky telephone call stuff covered with TB.

    Not actually as impressed as everyone else is with the chordal, vocoder element - too gltchy for my curtains.

    True it has the formants. That's the only really useful one for me from that list. The modulation possibilities in app are severely limited.

    You can set a four voice harmony, delay parts coming in, adjust the format, and make it sound more natural by tweaking the EQ. It’s AU, so if you need more voices just route in another instance.

    It obviously doesn’t have all the bells and whistles of Voices, but the core voice pitching functionality is there, which might cover enough bases for some users.

    True. Mpe is a pretty big advantage of the Bleass one, mind you, not that I demoed full mpe in my vid, only the pitch bend aspect.

    If you need that stuff, yeah, but what’s important for me is to have a more natural sounding harmony. That’s where my edit above about proper EQ as opposed to a single filter option, gives TB the edge in that cupboard.

    Depends what’s important for the user, so I’m just defending TB as it seems to be dismissed when it could actually do a better job for some. More whistles and bells doesn’t always mean it’s going to produce better sounding results.

    I do like it, but it’s a very particular sounding effect so I’d be careful not to over-use it, and will no doubt pick it up when there’s a proper sale.

  • @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    How does this compare to TB Voicepitcher? I know it only has 2 parts.

    No comparison. This has so many voices, is mpe, has very deep modulation capabilities etc. Would definitely go for this over Voicepitcher

    Not sure about no comparison - TB has the format and delay options, EQ, and some basic modulation. It doesn’t do the vocoder stuff, has less voices and modulation options, but the voice pitching part is very similar.

    I’d forgotten I had this, and was going to buy Voices for the silly pitching malarkey, but looks like I’ve got the Pinky & Perky telephone call stuff covered with TB.

    Not actually as impressed as everyone else is with the chordal, vocoder element - too gltchy for my curtains.

    True it has the formants. That's the only really useful one for me from that list. The modulation possibilities in app are severely limited.

    You can set a four voice harmony, delay parts coming in, adjust the format, and make it sound more natural by tweaking the EQ. It’s AU, so if you need more voices just route in another instance.

    It obviously doesn’t have all the bells and whistles of Voices, but the core voice pitching functionality is there, which might cover enough bases for some users.

    True. Mpe is a pretty big advantage of the Bleass one, mind you, not that I demoed full mpe in my vid, only the pitch bend aspect.

    If you need that stuff, yeah, but what’s important for me is to have a more natural sounding harmony. That’s where my edit above about proper EQ as opposed to a single filter option, gives TB the edge in that cupboard.

    Depends what’s important for the user, so I’m just defending TB as it seems to be dismissed when it could actually do a better job for some.

    Fair!

  • @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    How does this compare to TB Voicepitcher? I know it only has 2 parts.

    No comparison. This has so many voices, is mpe, has very deep modulation capabilities etc. Would definitely go for this over Voicepitcher

    Not sure about no comparison - TB has the format and delay options, EQ, and some basic modulation. It doesn’t do the vocoder stuff, has less voices and modulation options, but the voice pitching part is very similar.

    I’d forgotten I had this, and was going to buy Voices for the silly pitching malarkey, but looks like I’ve got the Pinky & Perky telephone call stuff covered with TB.

    Not actually as impressed as everyone else is with the chordal, vocoder element - too gltchy for my curtains.

    True it has the formants. That's the only really useful one for me from that list. The modulation possibilities in app are severely limited.

    You can set a four voice harmony, delay parts coming in, adjust the format, and make it sound more natural by tweaking the EQ. It’s AU, so if you need more voices just route in another instance.

    It obviously doesn’t have all the bells and whistles of Voices, but the core voice pitching functionality is there, which might cover enough bases for some users.

    True. Mpe is a pretty big advantage of the Bleass one, mind you, not that I demoed full mpe in my vid, only the pitch bend aspect.

    If you need that stuff, yeah, but what’s important for me is to have a more natural sounding harmony. That’s where my edit above about proper EQ as opposed to a single filter option, gives TB the edge in that cupboard.

    Depends what’s important for the user, so I’m just defending TB as it seems to be dismissed when it could actually do a better job for some. More whistles and bells doesn’t always mean it’s going to produce better sounding results.

    I do like it, but it’s a very particular sounding effect so I’d be careful not to over-use it, and will no doubt pick it up when there’s a proper sale.

    Yeah different priorities and the use case of live performing then is maybe why they are perceived as so very different even if through a different lens they're the same/similar. I never looked at Bleass Voices in comparison to any pitcher.
    A harmonizer for performing live by way of midi like the Roland VT and TC Helicon hardware, is a different use case to say Soundtoys Little Alter Boy. Though performers also want it to be the most natural, that's after the fact of it being able to replicate what those performance boxes do in the first case. Then MPE is the brand new cherry on top. I don't compare this to Voicepitcher, I compare it to Waves Harmony, Melda MHarmonizer, Izotope Vocalsynth, TC Perform, and on iOS Harmonizr. The people most excited about this I imagine are closer to my position, we now have a live performance harmonizer on a par with TC hardware. And that is remarkable and brand new.

  • edited June 2023

    @Bruques said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    How does this compare to TB Voicepitcher? I know it only has 2 parts.

    No comparison. This has so many voices, is mpe, has very deep modulation capabilities etc. Would definitely go for this over Voicepitcher

    Not sure about no comparison - TB has the format and delay options, EQ, and some basic modulation. It doesn’t do the vocoder stuff, has less voices and modulation options, but the voice pitching part is very similar.

    I’d forgotten I had this, and was going to buy Voices for the silly pitching malarkey, but looks like I’ve got the Pinky & Perky telephone call stuff covered with TB.

    Not actually as impressed as everyone else is with the chordal, vocoder element - too gltchy for my curtains.

    True it has the formants. That's the only really useful one for me from that list. The modulation possibilities in app are severely limited.

    You can set a four voice harmony, delay parts coming in, adjust the format, and make it sound more natural by tweaking the EQ. It’s AU, so if you need more voices just route in another instance.

    It obviously doesn’t have all the bells and whistles of Voices, but the core voice pitching functionality is there, which might cover enough bases for some users.

    True. Mpe is a pretty big advantage of the Bleass one, mind you, not that I demoed full mpe in my vid, only the pitch bend aspect.

    If you need that stuff, yeah, but what’s important for me is to have a more natural sounding harmony. That’s where my edit above about proper EQ as opposed to a single filter option, gives TB the edge in that cupboard.

    Depends what’s important for the user, so I’m just defending TB as it seems to be dismissed when it could actually do a better job for some. More whistles and bells doesn’t always mean it’s going to produce better sounding results.

    I do like it, but it’s a very particular sounding effect so I’d be careful not to over-use it, and will no doubt pick it up when there’s a proper sale.

    Yeah different priorities and the use case of live performing then is maybe why they are perceived as so very different even if through a different lens they're the same/similar. I never looked at Bleass Voices in comparison to any pitcher.
    A harmonizer for performing live by way of midi like the Roland VT and TC Helicon hardware, is a different use case to say Soundtoys Little Alter Boy. Though performers also want it to be the most natural, that's after the fact of it being able to replicate what those performance boxes do in the first case. Then MPE is the brand new cherry on top. I don't compare this to Voicepitcher, I compare it to Waves Harmony, Melda MHarmonizer, Izotope Vocalsynth, TC Perform, and on iOS Harmonizr. The people most excited about this I imagine are closer to my position, we now have a live performance harmonizer on a par with TC hardware. And that is remarkable and brand new.

    My only hesitation in buying it, is I’ve yet to hear a harmony from it that I like the sound of. Functionality wise it’s packed with features, but I’m not yet convinced by the results. I just can’t imagine using it in a finished track.

    Maybe they could take a leaf out of TB’s books and provide a proper EQ section for the wet signal, so it can be sculpted to produce more natural sounding vocals?

    Not dissing Bleass by the way, I’ve got nearly all of their apps, just not getting the urge for this one.

  • @monz0id I fired up Voicepitcher in loopy pro hoping to drive the harmonies with midi from Drambo but there’s no midi settings at all in AUV3.

    Is this really missing or am I missing something?

  • @supadom said:
    @monz0id I fired up Voicepitcher in loopy pro hoping to drive the harmonies with midi from Drambo but there’s no midi settings at all in AUV3.

    Is this really missing or am I missing something?

    I’ve never used it that way, just as a basic audio effect - I can see some settings in AUM exposed though - under:

    main > snapshot (1-4) > section A > snapshot 1 section A pitch

    Might do the trick?

  • @monz0id said:

    @Bruques said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    How does this compare to TB Voicepitcher? I know it only has 2 parts.

    No comparison. This has so many voices, is mpe, has very deep modulation capabilities etc. Would definitely go for this over Voicepitcher

    Not sure about no comparison - TB has the format and delay options, EQ, and some basic modulation. It doesn’t do the vocoder stuff, has less voices and modulation options, but the voice pitching part is very similar.

    I’d forgotten I had this, and was going to buy Voices for the silly pitching malarkey, but looks like I’ve got the Pinky & Perky telephone call stuff covered with TB.

    Not actually as impressed as everyone else is with the chordal, vocoder element - too gltchy for my curtains.

    True it has the formants. That's the only really useful one for me from that list. The modulation possibilities in app are severely limited.

    You can set a four voice harmony, delay parts coming in, adjust the format, and make it sound more natural by tweaking the EQ. It’s AU, so if you need more voices just route in another instance.

    It obviously doesn’t have all the bells and whistles of Voices, but the core voice pitching functionality is there, which might cover enough bases for some users.

    True. Mpe is a pretty big advantage of the Bleass one, mind you, not that I demoed full mpe in my vid, only the pitch bend aspect.

    If you need that stuff, yeah, but what’s important for me is to have a more natural sounding harmony. That’s where my edit above about proper EQ as opposed to a single filter option, gives TB the edge in that cupboard.

    Depends what’s important for the user, so I’m just defending TB as it seems to be dismissed when it could actually do a better job for some. More whistles and bells doesn’t always mean it’s going to produce better sounding results.

    I do like it, but it’s a very particular sounding effect so I’d be careful not to over-use it, and will no doubt pick it up when there’s a proper sale.

    Yeah different priorities and the use case of live performing then is maybe why they are perceived as so very different even if through a different lens they're the same/similar. I never looked at Bleass Voices in comparison to any pitcher.
    A harmonizer for performing live by way of midi like the Roland VT and TC Helicon hardware, is a different use case to say Soundtoys Little Alter Boy. Though performers also want it to be the most natural, that's after the fact of it being able to replicate what those performance boxes do in the first case. Then MPE is the brand new cherry on top. I don't compare this to Voicepitcher, I compare it to Waves Harmony, Melda MHarmonizer, Izotope Vocalsynth, TC Perform, and on iOS Harmonizr. The people most excited about this I imagine are closer to my position, we now have a live performance harmonizer on a par with TC hardware. And that is remarkable and brand new.

    My only hesitation in buying it, is I’ve yet to hear a harmony from it that I like the sound of. Functionality wise it’s packed with features, but I’m not yet convinced by the results. I just can’t imagine using it in a finished track.

    Maybe they could take a leaf out of TB’s books and provide a proper EQ section for the wet signal, so it can be sculpted to produce more natural sounding vocals?

    Not dissing Bleass by the way, I’ve got nearly all of their apps, just not getting the urge for this one.

    In which case you probably wouldn't use it in a finished track and your use case isn't what it is mainly imagined for. If you want the best quality re-pitcher that is the most natural as can possibly be, you wouldn't use a TC Perform a Roland VT, a Bleass Voices. And if you're going to perform in real time, probably in front of people, live reharmonies in block chords through a magic box that is telltale artificially not 5 other humans on stage with you, you wouldn't use Voice Pitcher. But you might find an experimental other interesting use for it perhaps, or you might sketch ideas with it that you can play in midi to check out easily before using Voice Pitcher to do the higher quality "render", or some other thing I've not thought of.

  • edited June 2023

    @Bruques said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Bruques said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    How does this compare to TB Voicepitcher? I know it only has 2 parts.

    No comparison. This has so many voices, is mpe, has very deep modulation capabilities etc. Would definitely go for this over Voicepitcher

    Not sure about no comparison - TB has the format and delay options, EQ, and some basic modulation. It doesn’t do the vocoder stuff, has less voices and modulation options, but the voice pitching part is very similar.

    I’d forgotten I had this, and was going to buy Voices for the silly pitching malarkey, but looks like I’ve got the Pinky & Perky telephone call stuff covered with TB.

    Not actually as impressed as everyone else is with the chordal, vocoder element - too gltchy for my curtains.

    True it has the formants. That's the only really useful one for me from that list. The modulation possibilities in app are severely limited.

    You can set a four voice harmony, delay parts coming in, adjust the format, and make it sound more natural by tweaking the EQ. It’s AU, so if you need more voices just route in another instance.

    It obviously doesn’t have all the bells and whistles of Voices, but the core voice pitching functionality is there, which might cover enough bases for some users.

    True. Mpe is a pretty big advantage of the Bleass one, mind you, not that I demoed full mpe in my vid, only the pitch bend aspect.

    If you need that stuff, yeah, but what’s important for me is to have a more natural sounding harmony. That’s where my edit above about proper EQ as opposed to a single filter option, gives TB the edge in that cupboard.

    Depends what’s important for the user, so I’m just defending TB as it seems to be dismissed when it could actually do a better job for some. More whistles and bells doesn’t always mean it’s going to produce better sounding results.

    I do like it, but it’s a very particular sounding effect so I’d be careful not to over-use it, and will no doubt pick it up when there’s a proper sale.

    Yeah different priorities and the use case of live performing then is maybe why they are perceived as so very different even if through a different lens they're the same/similar. I never looked at Bleass Voices in comparison to any pitcher.
    A harmonizer for performing live by way of midi like the Roland VT and TC Helicon hardware, is a different use case to say Soundtoys Little Alter Boy. Though performers also want it to be the most natural, that's after the fact of it being able to replicate what those performance boxes do in the first case. Then MPE is the brand new cherry on top. I don't compare this to Voicepitcher, I compare it to Waves Harmony, Melda MHarmonizer, Izotope Vocalsynth, TC Perform, and on iOS Harmonizr. The people most excited about this I imagine are closer to my position, we now have a live performance harmonizer on a par with TC hardware. And that is remarkable and brand new.

    My only hesitation in buying it, is I’ve yet to hear a harmony from it that I like the sound of. Functionality wise it’s packed with features, but I’m not yet convinced by the results. I just can’t imagine using it in a finished track.

    Maybe they could take a leaf out of TB’s books and provide a proper EQ section for the wet signal, so it can be sculpted to produce more natural sounding vocals?

    Not dissing Bleass by the way, I’ve got nearly all of their apps, just not getting the urge for this one.

    In which case you probably wouldn't use it in a finished track and your use case isn't what it is mainly imagined for. If you want the best quality re-pitcher that is the most natural as can possibly be, you wouldn't use a TC Perform a Roland VT, a Bleass Voices. And if you're going to perform in real time, probably in front of people, live reharmonies in block chords through a magic box that is telltale artificially not 5 other humans on stage with you, you wouldn't use Voice Pitcher. But you might find an experimental other interesting use for it perhaps, or you might sketch ideas with it that you can play in midi to check out easily before using Voice Pitcher to do the higher quality "render", or some other thing I've not thought of.

    Oh definitely, I’d find a home for it as a fun, experimental app. But I was responding to the ‘no comparison’ comment.

    Voices is a harmoniser, and pitch shifter, with the usual Bleass incorporated modulation/sequencing functionality.

    TB is also a pitch shifter, with the usual TB EQ included.

    It doesn’t have a harmoniser, but if users aren’t looking for that functionality and already have TB, they could save a few quid and stick with that one, since it’s less than a third of the price.

  • @monz0id said:

    @Bruques said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Bruques said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @HotStrange said:
    How does this compare to TB Voicepitcher? I know it only has 2 parts.

    No comparison. This has so many voices, is mpe, has very deep modulation capabilities etc. Would definitely go for this over Voicepitcher

    Not sure about no comparison - TB has the format and delay options, EQ, and some basic modulation. It doesn’t do the vocoder stuff, has less voices and modulation options, but the voice pitching part is very similar.

    I’d forgotten I had this, and was going to buy Voices for the silly pitching malarkey, but looks like I’ve got the Pinky & Perky telephone call stuff covered with TB.

    Not actually as impressed as everyone else is with the chordal, vocoder element - too gltchy for my curtains.

    True it has the formants. That's the only really useful one for me from that list. The modulation possibilities in app are severely limited.

    You can set a four voice harmony, delay parts coming in, adjust the format, and make it sound more natural by tweaking the EQ. It’s AU, so if you need more voices just route in another instance.

    It obviously doesn’t have all the bells and whistles of Voices, but the core voice pitching functionality is there, which might cover enough bases for some users.

    True. Mpe is a pretty big advantage of the Bleass one, mind you, not that I demoed full mpe in my vid, only the pitch bend aspect.

    If you need that stuff, yeah, but what’s important for me is to have a more natural sounding harmony. That’s where my edit above about proper EQ as opposed to a single filter option, gives TB the edge in that cupboard.

    Depends what’s important for the user, so I’m just defending TB as it seems to be dismissed when it could actually do a better job for some. More whistles and bells doesn’t always mean it’s going to produce better sounding results.

    I do like it, but it’s a very particular sounding effect so I’d be careful not to over-use it, and will no doubt pick it up when there’s a proper sale.

    Yeah different priorities and the use case of live performing then is maybe why they are perceived as so very different even if through a different lens they're the same/similar. I never looked at Bleass Voices in comparison to any pitcher.
    A harmonizer for performing live by way of midi like the Roland VT and TC Helicon hardware, is a different use case to say Soundtoys Little Alter Boy. Though performers also want it to be the most natural, that's after the fact of it being able to replicate what those performance boxes do in the first case. Then MPE is the brand new cherry on top. I don't compare this to Voicepitcher, I compare it to Waves Harmony, Melda MHarmonizer, Izotope Vocalsynth, TC Perform, and on iOS Harmonizr. The people most excited about this I imagine are closer to my position, we now have a live performance harmonizer on a par with TC hardware. And that is remarkable and brand new.

    My only hesitation in buying it, is I’ve yet to hear a harmony from it that I like the sound of. Functionality wise it’s packed with features, but I’m not yet convinced by the results. I just can’t imagine using it in a finished track.

    Maybe they could take a leaf out of TB’s books and provide a proper EQ section for the wet signal, so it can be sculpted to produce more natural sounding vocals?

    Not dissing Bleass by the way, I’ve got nearly all of their apps, just not getting the urge for this one.

    In which case you probably wouldn't use it in a finished track and your use case isn't what it is mainly imagined for. If you want the best quality re-pitcher that is the most natural as can possibly be, you wouldn't use a TC Perform a Roland VT, a Bleass Voices. And if you're going to perform in real time, probably in front of people, live reharmonies in block chords through a magic box that is telltale artificially not 5 other humans on stage with you, you wouldn't use Voice Pitcher. But you might find an experimental other interesting use for it perhaps, or you might sketch ideas with it that you can play in midi to check out easily before using Voice Pitcher to do the higher quality "render", or some other thing I've not thought of.

    Oh definitely, I’d find a home for it as a fun, experimental app. But I was responding to the ‘no comparison’ comment.

    Voices is a harmoniser, and pitch shifter, with the usual Bleass incorporated modulation/sequencing functionality.

    TB is also a pitch shifter, with the usual TB EQ included.

    It doesn’t have a harmoniser, but if users aren’t looking for that functionality and already have TB, they could save a few quid and stick with that one.

    Gotcha, noted.

  • @monz0id said:

    @supadom said:
    @monz0id I fired up Voicepitcher in loopy pro hoping to drive the harmonies with midi from Drambo but there’s no midi settings at all in AUV3.

    Is this really missing or am I missing something?

    I’ve never used it that way, just as a basic audio effect - I can see some settings in AUM exposed though - under:

    main > snapshot (1-4) > section A > snapshot 1 section A pitch

    Might do the trick?

    That’s the parameters that are exposed to midi but it doesn’t seem to have a midi input to control harmonies from a keyboard. At least I can’t seem to be able to find it. I think that if it was possible they would have added an onscreen keyboard. Hopefully they’ll add it in an update.

    I just discovered the Velocity slider in Bleass Voices midi settings. Keeping the slider low helps maintaining harmonies at a steady level without the need to hit the hardware keyboard too hard.

  • @supadom said:
    @monz0id I fired up Voicepitcher in loopy pro hoping to drive the harmonies with midi from Drambo but there’s no midi settings at all in AUV3.

    Is this really missing or am I missing something?

    It is missing, sadly

  • edited June 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @supadom said:
    @monz0id I fired up Voicepitcher in loopy pro hoping to drive the harmonies with midi from Drambo but there’s no midi settings at all in AUV3.

    Is this really missing or am I missing something?

    It is missing, sadly

    Yeah, it’s a lot more basic than Voices. Fits in with what I’m doing, but Voices definitely provides more control and features. But to be fair it only cost me £3.99.

  • @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @supadom said:
    @monz0id I fired up Voicepitcher in loopy pro hoping to drive the harmonies with midi from Drambo but there’s no midi settings at all in AUV3.

    Is this really missing or am I missing something?

    It is missing, sadly

    Yeah, it’s a lot more basic than Voices. Fits in with what I’m doing, but Voices definitely provides more control and features. But to be fair it only cost me £3.99.

    Yes but if Toneboosters app cannot take either audio or midi do dictate the harmony then its not a harmoniser therefore its apples v oranges kinda conversation.

    Also a bit misleading the new user with not much money in their pocket.

    I guess the VoicePitcher could be combined with an auto tune to keep pitch steady but it still will not allow to decide the chord on the fly. To me this is the magic of a harmoniser, it follows the music with no intervals set up required.

  • edited June 2023

    @supadom said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @supadom said:
    @monz0id I fired up Voicepitcher in loopy pro hoping to drive the harmonies with midi from Drambo but there’s no midi settings at all in AUV3.

    Is this really missing or am I missing something?

    It is missing, sadly

    Yeah, it’s a lot more basic than Voices. Fits in with what I’m doing, but Voices definitely provides more control and features. But to be fair it only cost me £3.99.

    Yes but if Toneboosters app cannot take either audio or midi do dictate the harmony then its not a harmoniser therefore its apples v oranges kinda conversation.

    Also a bit misleading the new user with not much money in their pocket.

    I guess the VoicePitcher could be combined with an auto tune to keep pitch steady but it still will not allow to decide the chord on the fly. To me this is the magic of a harmoniser, it follows the music with no intervals set up required.

    It’s not advertised as a harmoniser though.

    That’s what I pointed out in an earlier comment, it has very similar pitch shifting features as the Voices app, but without the harmoniser functionality.

    So not apples v oranges, more Ford Capri with fluffy dice vs Mk 2 Ford Cortina.

  • edited June 2023

    @monz0id said:

    @supadom said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @supadom said:
    @monz0id I fired up Voicepitcher in loopy pro hoping to drive the harmonies with midi from Drambo but there’s no midi settings at all in AUV3.

    Is this really missing or am I missing something?

    It is missing, sadly

    Yeah, it’s a lot more basic than Voices. Fits in with what I’m doing, but Voices definitely provides more control and features. But to be fair it only cost me £3.99.

    Yes but if Toneboosters app cannot take either audio or midi do dictate the harmony then its not a harmoniser therefore its apples v oranges kinda conversation.

    Also a bit misleading the new user with not much money in their pocket.

    I guess the VoicePitcher could be combined with an auto tune to keep pitch steady but it still will not allow to decide the chord on the fly. To me this is the magic of a harmoniser, it follows the music with no intervals set up required.

    It’s not advertised as a harmoniser though.

    That’s what I pointed out in an earlier comment, it has very similar pitch shifting features as the Voices app, but without the harmoniser functionality.

    So not apples v oranges, more Ford Capri with fluffy dice vs Mk 2 Ford Cortina.

    Haha yes, I get it and not having a go at you at all 😇 but this is a Bleass Voices harmoniser thread and you were kind of proposing it as an alternative which could have been misleading for some (or maybe just me).

    Anyhow, here’s Drambo button chorder that @rs2000 helped me create, driving Bleass Voices.

    This has no auto tune on, you’ve been warned!! 😛

  • @supadom said:

    @monz0id said:

    @supadom said:

    @monz0id said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @supadom said:
    @monz0id I fired up Voicepitcher in loopy pro hoping to drive the harmonies with midi from Drambo but there’s no midi settings at all in AUV3.

    Is this really missing or am I missing something?

    It is missing, sadly

    Yeah, it’s a lot more basic than Voices. Fits in with what I’m doing, but Voices definitely provides more control and features. But to be fair it only cost me £3.99.

    Yes but if Toneboosters app cannot take either audio or midi do dictate the harmony then its not a harmoniser therefore its apples v oranges kinda conversation.

    Also a bit misleading the new user with not much money in their pocket.

    I guess the VoicePitcher could be combined with an auto tune to keep pitch steady but it still will not allow to decide the chord on the fly. To me this is the magic of a harmoniser, it follows the music with no intervals set up required.

    It’s not advertised as a harmoniser though.

    That’s what I pointed out in an earlier comment, it has very similar pitch shifting features as the Voices app, but without the harmoniser functionality.

    So not apples v oranges, more Ford Capri with fluffy dice vs Mk 2 Ford Cortina.

    Haha yes, I get it and not having a go at you at all 😇 but this is a Bleass Voices harmoniser thread and you were kind of proposing it as an alternative which could have been misleading for some (or maybe just me).

    Anyhow, here’s Drambo button chorder that @rs2000 helped me create, driving Bleass Voices.

    This has no auto tune on, you’ve been warned!! 😛

    Haha nice work. Nice space echos!

  • I've watched all the videos I could find of Voices but so far not a single one experiments with the random button! That's the main thing I want to check out before I decide to buy. This thing seems to be able to twist vocals pretty good. I want to see if it can really do some Nivek Ogre mangling with that random button.

  • @setAI said:
    I've watched all the videos I could find of Voices but so far not a single one experiments with the random button! That's the main thing I want to check out before I decide to buy. This thing seems to be able to twist vocals pretty good. I want to see if it can really do some Nivek Ogre mangling with that random button.

    The randomizer button generally produces very unmusical results, as tends to be the case with Bleass randomizer buttons. To have any stab at having a good randomizer for a tonally based fx such as this it would need to have something like the ability to lock / unlock which parameters can be randomized, like Audiothing do in their apps. Really all devs with randomizers should implement that system Audiothing use. I tend to avoid Bleass randomizers, whether in synths or fx, though you get the odd interesting or usable result from time to time. Even when that happens, it will still almost always need a fair amount of tweaking.

  • edited June 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @setAI said:
    I've watched all the videos I could find of Voices but so far not a single one experiments with the random button! That's the main thing I want to check out before I decide to buy. This thing seems to be able to twist vocals pretty good. I want to see if it can really do some Nivek Ogre mangling with that random button.

    The randomizer button generally produces very unmusical results, as tends to be the case with Bleass randomizer buttons. To have any stab at having a good randomizer for a tonally based fx such as this it would need to have something like the ability to lock / unlock which parameters can be randomized, like Audiothing do in their apps. Really all devs with randomizers should implement that system Audiothing use. I tend to avoid Bleass randomizers, whether in synths or fx, though you get the odd interesting or usable result from time to time. Even when that happens, it will still almost always need a fair amount of tweaking.

    I guess everyone's different. What makes the BLEASS synths great, especially the samplwiz and Omega is the randomizer. It's really what sets them over the top above the competition. I often see people comment about randomizers and unmusical results. It's just unmusical to them. As an experimental musician I find the results of randomizers to be much more musically interesting then almost every designed preset. Using randomizers is a very important part of my own work with chaos. I devote my programming time to only a few choice synthesizers and software pieces. Usually modular. The vast majority of the sounds I use on my gear and software is entirely based on randomized parameters.

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