BLEASS Voices by BLEASS (Released)

ervin

Anyone found a manual for this thing? I'm assuming there is one but I couldn't find it in the desktop demo or on the site.

Gavinski

@ervin said:
Anyone found a manual for this thing? I'm assuming there is one but I couldn't find it in the desktop demo or on the site.

Manual here Ervin!

https://gzc-dfsdown.mail.ftn.qq.com/1371/ZF0004_~hDNPueMhVUuXGQAnI5evd6?dkey=8UIO_lCydRDtF3rz9fcwmhlU9u0zTkfPLDKwldXRndqW7XkfdCkk_OeeC-1FnogQQ1R36bHUoZuJANncNPKy0Vg&fname=BLEASS Voices_Promo Text User Manual.pdf&eggs

Telstar5

Just getting in Harmony 8 by virsyn but this looks like it has better midi live capability.

Telstar5

Doug woods just did a video for it

jwmmakerofmusic

@monz0id said:

This is more like it.

We can always count on Doug to deliver! Well done @thesoundtestroom !

ervin

@Gavinski said:

@ervin said:
Anyone found a manual for this thing? I'm assuming there is one but I couldn't find it in the desktop demo or on the site.

Manual here Ervin!

https://gzc-dfsdown.mail.ftn.qq.com/1371/ZF0004_~hDNPueMhVUuXGQAnI5evd6?dkey=8UIO_lCydRDtF3rz9fcwmhlU9u0zTkfPLDKwldXRndqW7XkfdCkk_OeeC-1FnogQQ1R36bHUoZuJANncNPKy0Vg&fname=BLEASS Voices_Promo Text User Manual.pdf&eggs

woohoo, thank you Gav! Now I can dig in and find out why it is my fault that I don't find this app very convincing so far... a bit of RTFM usually helps.

[Deleted User]

@richardyot @Gavinski @jwmmakerofmusic
if i understand you correctly do not despair:
just load voices as a 'MIDI-controlled effect' in an instrument slot in logic and pipe in the audio track you want to effect in voices via a side-chain
you now can 'play' voices on its track
(it's actually the other way around in CB3 where you load the effect on an audio track and pipe the MIDI in from another track)

richardyot

@pruddo said:
@richardyot @Gavinski @jwmmakerofmusic
if i understand you correctly do not despair:
just load voices as a 'MIDI-controlled effect' in an instrument slot in logic and pipe the audio track you want to effect in voices via a side-chain
you now can 'play' voices on its track
(it's actually the other way around in CB3 where you load the effect on an audio track and pipe the MIDI in from another track)

Yes that works! Thanks for the correction.

Poppadocrock

Link, didn’t see it.

Bleass Voices

NeuM

Per Doug's demo, it sounds better than I was expecting. Really quite nice.

MrSmileZ

INSTABUY!!!!

It’s like having my tc helicon ve synth, and my vt4 on iPad…oh yeaaaaaa gonna love this!

TY BLEASS

AlterEgo_UK

Trying out a new voice harmoniser app from BLEASS on my guitar, in Logic Pro for iPad.
The main application for this would normally be on vocals to achieve harmonies, vocoder type effects and also tuning correction but it is a lot of fun and some of the presets sound pretty good on guitar too!

AudioGus

@Samu said:
Let me guess they'll will try to push this one out for $19.99 or something like that...

Nailed it in Canada

ninobeatz

@Poppadocrock said:
Link, didn’t see it.

Bleass Voices

Link was in the first post. I always put it there once the app is released

NeuM

@AlterEgo_UK said:
Trying out a new voice harmoniser app from BLEASS on my guitar, in Logic Pro for iPad.
The main application for this would normally be on vocals to achieve harmonies, vocoder type effects and also tuning correction but it is a lot of fun and some of the presets sound pretty good on guitar too!

Thanks for the demo.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@cuscolima said:
I would be interested to do some effect a la Jacob Collier

@monz0id said:

@eylvy said:
Have yet to test it (kinda hard for a bad singer.. or is it?) but here's another demo video

Difficult to hear what the fx is doing in these vids, but she has such a great voice I prefer the sound without the effect!

One sings into these apps live differently than one sings naked. You’re using your voice to drive the synth. Without the synth you’d sing more freely and with different formants.

[Deleted User]

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@cuscolima said:
I would be interested to do some effect a la Jacob Collier

@monz0id said:

@eylvy said:
Have yet to test it (kinda hard for a bad singer.. or is it?) but here's another demo video

Difficult to hear what the fx is doing in these vids, but she has such a great voice I prefer the sound without the effect!

One sings into these apps live differently than one sings naked. You’re using your voice to drive the synth. Without the synth you’d sing more freely and with different formants.

I can see what’s going on a bit better now, Doug’s vid made things clearer, and going back to the performance I can see how it’d be integrated into a set.

Interested in this now, not sure how it’d cope with my Viv Stanshall meets Mark E Smith singing voice, mind.

Simon

@AudioGus said:

@Samu said:
Let me guess they'll will try to push this one out for $19.99 or something like that...

Nailed it in Canada

AU$23 here.

tahiche

@Bruques said:.

I've tried almost all other harmonizers in VST, and though I haven't tried all hardware, I know the VoiceLive range well, and the sound is easily as good, and I think though I haven't A/B'd yet, I think a smidge better. You quite easily notice on many harmonizers including TC voicelive, a clear relatively neutral condenser microphone is actually worse sounding, seemingly harsh spectral resonance or something, whereas a darker SM58 or a ribbon, is much nicer,, now with Bleass I'm just trying an AKG condenser headset which is usually quite ugly in that way through a harmonizer, and I can for sure live with it, it's not annoying me, which through the TC it would, I would like to check with a SM58 or ribbon but I don't have with me right now.
Not perfect because no real time harmonizing could be, but with sensitive technique this can definitely be smooth enough. I suspect the engine is granular under the hood(?)

And easy to use, of course, as Bleass interfaces are.

Interesting how you compare it to the TC Voicelive. I haven’t tried the app yet but from the videos the quality seems great. One aspect where it’ll improve the Voicelive3 for sure is in editing. The menu diving on the Voicelive3 is quite cumbersome.
But the one feature I use the Voicelive for most is for the harmonies that follow the guitar chords. I don’t think that’s possible yet on iOS, is it?. Maybe with MidiGuitar or something like that I’m the middle…

jwmmakerofmusic

@pruddo said:
@richardyot @Gavinski @jwmmakerofmusic
if i understand you correctly do not despair:
just load voices as a 'MIDI-controlled effect' in an instrument slot in logic and pipe in the audio track you want to effect in voices via a side-chain
you now can 'play' voices on its track
(it's actually the other way around in CB3 where you load the effect on an audio track and pipe the MIDI in from another track)

I'm a bit thick. I've tried to do this, but if someone can help me with a strp-by-step instruction how to do this in Logic Pro iPad, I'll be absolutely thankful.

Bruques

@tahiche said:

@Bruques said:.

I've tried almost all other harmonizers in VST, and though I haven't tried all hardware, I know the VoiceLive range well, and the sound is easily as good, and I think though I haven't A/B'd yet, I think a smidge better. You quite easily notice on many harmonizers including TC voicelive, a clear relatively neutral condenser microphone is actually worse sounding, seemingly harsh spectral resonance or something, whereas a darker SM58 or a ribbon, is much nicer,, now with Bleass I'm just trying an AKG condenser headset which is usually quite ugly in that way through a harmonizer, and I can for sure live with it, it's not annoying me, which through the TC it would, I would like to check with a SM58 or ribbon but I don't have with me right now.
Not perfect because no real time harmonizing could be, but with sensitive technique this can definitely be smooth enough. I suspect the engine is granular under the hood(?)

And easy to use, of course, as Bleass interfaces are.

Interesting how you compare it to the TC Voicelive. I haven’t tried the app yet but from the videos the quality seems great. One aspect where it’ll improve the Voicelive3 for sure is in editing. The menu diving on the Voicelive3 is quite cumbersome.
But the one feature I use the Voicelive for most is for the harmonies that follow the guitar chords. I don’t think that’s possible yet on iOS, is it?. Maybe with MidiGuitar or something like that I’m the middle…

Good point, my evoking the TC is only in terms of a usable real-time harmonizer, but yeah I think you're spot on, to replicate the "Natural Play" functionality that's exactly what this guy did https://youtube.com/watch?v=eFfuXCKP21A.

(I put the wrong video for a sec, corrected now)

Bruques

@Bruques said:

@Bruques said:

@sigma79 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@Bruques said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Purchased!

Nice demo vids so far. I hope someone out there will test Voices in something other than AUM. 🤣 As far as I'm aware it's the only app on iOS where a user can send MIDI into an effect AUv3.

Not exactly, I've been sending midi into SampleWiz and FRMS, in Loopy Pro, as effects on audio input channels or busses, which is the only way to use them in a host as real-time samplers. When used as instruments they have no access to the audio input. I haven't done it myself but I think similarly Silo and Fluss both granular fx than have midi playability can be done that way. Of course it's a different thing as they're not harmonizers.

Interesting.

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@sigma79 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Purchased!

Nice demo vids so far. I hope someone out there will test Voices in something other than AUM. 🤣 As far as I'm aware it's the only app on iOS where a user can send MIDI into an effect AUv3.

Will you still use vocal studio to send audio?

We shall see. I have to continue to get acquainted with vocal tune studio. 😂

I guess this app is more for live plus voice altering fx.

Even if pitching were as good with this app.

Adjusting pitch would be automated.

So for studio recording.

Vocal studio might be good to sort pitch then send through this app?

Either or. Basic pitch correction, not the fully tweakable kind of Melodyne/Autotune is part of Bleass so maybe depends ho> @Polyphonix said:

'> @monz0id said:

@eylvy said:
Have yet to test it (kinda hard for a bad singer.. or is it?) but here's another demo video

Difficult to hear what the fx is doing in these vids, but she has such a great voice I prefer the sound without the effect!

To me, that's pretty clear to hear. She harmonizes her voice into chords she plays herself on the Bleass keyboard while singing. For me, this is exactly what makes up a large part of the emotion and fascination of this great performance. That's exactly what she was about here and to leave that out and reduce it to her indeed wonderful solo voice would be pointless for this performance, to call it a demo doesn’t do it justice.

What I have heard so far from the few demos is a quite clearly audible slightly metallic coloration. You don't hear the slightest trace of that in Jacob Collier's performances. His equipment, developed by an employee of MIT in Boston, should probably not be used for comparison.

Actually the Harmonizers Jacob uses aren't an MIT creation. To be specific, it's Ben Bloomberg an MIT graduate who does show design / playback engineering for a number of people including Jacob. The Bleass harmonizer is as metallic or unmetallic as the best of any other harmonizers out there including what Jacob uses. No harmonizing tech is entirely smooth, but this one is about as smooth as the smoothest. Of course the proof will be a head to head involving all of Eventide, TC, Boss, Roland, Waves, Melda, Devious Machines, Izotope, and now this from Bleass. Depending how far you push the various settings for formant and so on, and what mic you use and whether you EQ/multiband compress/spectral smooth can all aid in the smoothing. Mic choice is a massive difference maker as I've said earlier. An SM58 sounds way better through any of these harmonizers, than an AKGC414. Sibilant range gets really horrible even in what Jacob uses if you don't use a dark enough source.

Correction to myself, from Ben's own site, referring to a custom harmonizer, though I know in the past this began and for some time was a hack of existing harmonizer in chain so Jacob could get around voice limitations, so much of what we heard from Jacob was custom only in the aspect of more voices, it wasn't some special magic better than quality of the TC Voicelive and others, it had more voices.
https://ben.ai/bio/

The Bleass sounds as good, according to me anyway

So my memory was not wrong, Jacob only used the TC Helicon, all documented in Ben's PhD thesis at MIT:

"Simultaneously, we were able to improve the harmonizer. I came up with a plan of using a small industrial PC,
made by Portwell, with no moving parts or fans, to run the Reaper session. The computer would sit in a Peli-
can case with an audio interface, a small mixer and the TC Helicon, which we chose to use, in parallel, to give
the impression of lower latency and because its high voices were quite appealing. This was all squeezed in and
wired up so that using the harmonizer was as simple as plugging in a mic and power, connecting the outputs
and turning on the computer. "
https://ben.ai/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Making-Musical-Magic-Live-Dissertation-V1.pdf

You can also see clearly in this video Jacob using the white TC Perform VK sat atop his Nord.

There was no custom sounding magic harmonizer made by MIT for Jacob, just good show design and playback engineering from one of their graduates of the Todd Machover course there. Contrary to the exaggerated mainstream media.

Thus it's easy enough to compare Bleass Voices with one of the TC Units.

Mic choice, mic technique, how you set things like formant, how you post-process, and how far away all the notes are from what you actually sang, and the span from each other are all factors that make the sound less or more smooth/natural.

[Deleted User]

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@pruddo said:
@richardyot @Gavinski @jwmmakerofmusic
if i understand you correctly do not despair:
just load voices as a 'MIDI-controlled effect' in an instrument slot in logic and pipe in the audio track you want to effect in voices via a side-chain
you now can 'play' voices on its track
(it's actually the other way around in CB3 where you load the effect on an audio track and pipe the MIDI in from another track)

I'm a bit thick. I've tried to do this, but if someone can help me with a strp-by-step instruction how to do this in Logic Pro iPad, I'll be absolutely thankful.

add a MIDI track and load voices from the shown menu option (MIDI-controlled effect)

add an audio track (with live voice or wav) you want to effect and set that as sidechain input in voices

you can now play voices using the keyboard (or other MIDI plugin) when the audio is running through

hope it helps

jwmmakerofmusic

@pruddo said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@pruddo said:
@richardyot @Gavinski @jwmmakerofmusic
if i understand you correctly do not despair:
just load voices as a 'MIDI-controlled effect' in an instrument slot in logic and pipe in the audio track you want to effect in voices via a side-chain
you now can 'play' voices on its track
(it's actually the other way around in CB3 where you load the effect on an audio track and pipe the MIDI in from another track)

I'm a bit thick. I've tried to do this, but if someone can help me with a strp-by-step instruction how to do this in Logic Pro iPad, I'll be absolutely thankful.

add a MIDI track and load voices from the shown menu option (MIDI-controlled effect)

add an audio track (with live voice or wav) you want to effect and set that as sidechain input in voices

you can now play voices using the keyboard (or other MIDI plugin) when the audio is running through

hope it helps

My hero! Ah, trying it first thing tomorrow. Bedtime here mate.

GUB

@monz0id said:

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@cuscolima said:
I would be interested to do some effect a la Jacob Collier

@monz0id said:

@eylvy said:
Have yet to test it (kinda hard for a bad singer.. or is it?) but here's another demo video

Difficult to hear what the fx is doing in these vids, but she has such a great voice I prefer the sound without the effect!

One sings into these apps live differently than one sings naked. You’re using your voice to drive the synth. Without the synth you’d sing more freely and with different formants.

I can see what’s going on a bit better now, Doug’s vid made things clearer, and going back to the performance I can see how it’d be integrated into a set.

Interested in this now, not sure how it’d cope with my Viv Stanshall meets Mark E Smith singing voice, mind.

I’m fairly new here, do you post your vocals anywhere? I’m interested in anyone who wanders into MES singing territory. Or are you just using him to represent any vocalists who simply can’t sing?

Gavinski

Would any singers like to send me some dry vocal stems that I might end up using on a vid on this? I sing very well, but my Audio Interface is currently not working, so can’t use a decent mic with my ipad at the moment. You could zip a stem or two and send them to me via DM - if I use them I will be sure to credit you, link to your socials / bandcamp etc, so you could also send that info. Cheers!

[Deleted User]

@GUB said:

@monz0id said:

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@cuscolima said:
I would be interested to do some effect a la Jacob Collier

@monz0id said:

@eylvy said:
Have yet to test it (kinda hard for a bad singer.. or is it?) but here's another demo video

Difficult to hear what the fx is doing in these vids, but she has such a great voice I prefer the sound without the effect!

One sings into these apps live differently than one sings naked. You’re using your voice to drive the synth. Without the synth you’d sing more freely and with different formants.

I can see what’s going on a bit better now, Doug’s vid made things clearer, and going back to the performance I can see how it’d be integrated into a set.

Interested in this now, not sure how it’d cope with my Viv Stanshall meets Mark E Smith singing voice, mind.

I’m fairly new here, do you post your vocals anywhere? I’m interested in anyone who wanders into MES singing territory. Or are you just using him to represent any vocalists who simply can’t sing?

Not at all, I’m a big fan of his vocals. I keep my own pale attempts under secret lock and key, however.

realdawei

@pruddo said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@pruddo said:
@richardyot @Gavinski @jwmmakerofmusic
if i understand you correctly do not despair:
just load voices as a 'MIDI-controlled effect' in an instrument slot in logic and pipe in the audio track you want to effect in voices via a side-chain
you now can 'play' voices on its track
(it's actually the other way around in CB3 where you load the effect on an audio track and pipe the MIDI in from another track)

I'm a bit thick. I've tried to do this, but if someone can help me with a strp-by-step instruction how to do this in Logic Pro iPad, I'll be absolutely thankful.

add a MIDI track and load voices from the shown menu option (MIDI-controlled effect)

add an audio track (with live voice or wav) you want to effect and set that as sidechain input in voices

you can now play voices using the keyboard (or other MIDI plugin) when the audio is running through

hope it helps

This is wild 🔥 yo 👏

richardyot

@Gavinski said:
Would any singers like to send me some dry vocal stems that I might end up using on a vid on this? I sing very well, but my Audio Interface is currently not working, so can’t use a decent mic with my ipad at the moment. You could zip a stem or two and send them to me via DM - if I use them I will be sure to credit you, link to your socials / bandcamp etc, so you could also send that info. Cheers!

I’m happy to send you something (there are very few singers on the forum) but you could easily record your own voice with the iPad mic (which is surprisingly good) and just use that, once it’s been processed you probably wouldn’t know what kind of mic was used.

Gavinski

@richardyot said:

@Gavinski said:
Would any singers like to send me some dry vocal stems that I might end up using on a vid on this? I sing very well, but my Audio Interface is currently not working, so can’t use a decent mic with my ipad at the moment. You could zip a stem or two and send them to me via DM - if I use them I will be sure to credit you, link to your socials / bandcamp etc, so you could also send that info. Cheers!

I’m happy to send you something (there are very few singers on the forum) but you could easily record your own voice with the iPad mic (which is surprisingly good) and just use that, once it’s been processed you probably wouldn’t know what kind of mic was used.

Hadn’t thought of the ipad mic! Why don’t you send me on something anyway? Thnx!