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Dagger Synth by BeepStreet (Released)

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Comments

  • SlushSlush

    @pedro said:
    Like someone else suggested we should hold a massive preset event, like there was for other synths in the past (recently Hilda and Noises).

    We could call it “The Daggering”

    That was suggested by Slush, don’t listen to him, he’s here only for the ladies.

  • pedropedro

    @Slush said:

    @pedro said:
    Like someone else suggested we should hold a massive preset event, like there was for other synths in the past (recently Hilda and Noises).

    We could call it “The Daggering”

    That was suggested by Slush, don’t listen to him, he’s here only for the ladies.

    Smooth…

  • KrupaKrupa

    Night of the long knives?

  • NeuMNeuM

    @Samu said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Samu said:
    For me the 'Random' function of Dagger is neat...
    ...when it creates a 'silent' patch it's fun to investigate why to doesn't make any sound and this way I still keep on learning how it works :sunglasses:

    Good way to look at things. I love it but the randomiser results are not the best

    As far as I know there's no 'logic' baked into the randomizer, it's totally random :)

    Maybe 2 out of 7 will give me no audible sounds, sometimes it's every 2 out of 5... but then I'll get something I can really work with.

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited August 2023

    @pedro said:
    Like someone else suggested we should hold a massive preset event, like there was for other synths in the past (recently Hilda and Noises).

    We could call it “The Daggering”

    How about a competition to either (A) replicate a specific patch from some audio source OR (B) create the "best" patch to sound like a description of a sound (for example: sound of a crying baby or sound of a cow piloting a rocket).

  • pedropedro
    edited August 2023

    Nah, that’s boring

    I mean if I wanted a baby or a cow sound, I would get a baby, or a cow. It’s not like there’s some shortage

  • NeuMNeuM

    @pedro said:
    Nah, that’s boring

    OK, what isn't boring?

  • pedropedro

    That’s is left for the reader to elaborate

  • Antos3345Antos3345
    edited August 2023

    @NeuM said:

    @Antos3345 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Antos3345 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Antos3345 said:
    Anyone can tell me how to adjust the LFO rate ? For example, if I choose lfo above the filter, I set the lfo to a waveform, but where’s the rate and amount adjustments that goes to the filter ?

    There aren’t that many knobs on this synth. play around and try to find out what works. It’s fun!

    Yeah, but somethings like this are basic stuff.

    Which is why it’s fun and easy to discover on your own. Speaking for myself, I don’t come here to have every simple question i might have answered for me, only things I can’t do on my own. A person can spend five minutes to explore and learn something in the process. That’s a valuable experience.

    Yeah, I like to explore and learn new synths too, but sometimes if you know before some functions aren’t there, it’s saving time. I see no point to search and explore if you know before the function doesn’t exist , instead of wasting frustration and energy on something that wasn’t implemented. Anyway the synth is great and love it’s sound.

    It really is a lot of fun. Hope you create some cool things with it.

    Thanks..yes..it’s probably my favorite synth at the moment.. so thick and analog.
    Enjoy as well:)

  • NeuMNeuM

    @pedro said:
    That’s is left for the reader to elaborate

    OK, that's a boring answer. Try again.

  • pedropedro
    edited August 2023

    @NeuM said:

    @pedro said:
    That’s is left for the reader to elaborate

    OK, that's a boring answer. Try again.

    Well we could hold a sharing thread here (maybe even some competitions, like you suggested).

    if it would happen here it would have to be zipped attachments. Or we could petition for a dagger category on patchstorage

  • NeuMNeuM

    @pedro said:

    @NeuM said:

    @pedro said:
    That’s is left for the reader to elaborate

    OK, that's a boring answer. Try again.

    Well we could hold a sharing thread here (maybe even some competitions, like you suggested).

    if it would happen here it would have to be zipped attachments. Or we could petition for a dagger category on patchstorage

    Don't say something is "boring" next time unless you have a better suggestion. I'm open to hearing something better, but not pointless criticism.

  • Robin2Robin2

    @Robin2 said:
    I’ve watched the demos and it sounds amazing, no doubt about that, but as someone without too much disposable income who has to be selective when it comes to app purchases, what sounds does Dagger allow you to produce which couldn’t be produced with, for example, Zeeon or ButterSynth?

    Just bumping my own question. No one care/dare to suggest just what it does which no others can? Sorry for being annoying, but my finances demand that I try to find out whether Dagger vs Zeeon or ButterSynth offers anything truly unique before purchasing? If so, what?

    (I say again: it sounds amazing so please don’t think that I’m in any way criticising Dagger by asking this).

  • michael_mmichael_m

    @Robin2 said:

    @Robin2 said:
    I’ve watched the demos and it sounds amazing, no doubt about that, but as someone without too much disposable income who has to be selective when it comes to app purchases, what sounds does Dagger allow you to produce which couldn’t be produced with, for example, Zeeon or ButterSynth?

    Just bumping my own question. No one care/dare to suggest just what it does which no others can? Sorry for being annoying, but my finances demand that I try to find out whether Dagger vs Zeeon or ButterSynth offers anything truly unique before purchasing? If so, what?

    (I say again: it sounds amazing so please don’t think that I’m in any way criticising Dagger by asking this).

    To me it excels with the quality of its filters. You might get close with those others, but this really does have a character that is unique.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @Robin2 said:

    @Robin2 said:
    I’ve watched the demos and it sounds amazing, no doubt about that, but as someone without too much disposable income who has to be selective when it comes to app purchases, what sounds does Dagger allow you to produce which couldn’t be produced with, for example, Zeeon or ButterSynth?

    Just bumping my own question. No one care/dare to suggest just what it does which no others can? Sorry for being annoying, but my finances demand that I try to find out whether Dagger vs Zeeon or ButterSynth offers anything truly unique before purchasing? If so, what?

    (I say again: it sounds amazing so please don’t think that I’m in any way criticising Dagger by asking this).

    Dagger's sound is truly unique imo, at least I've not been able to reproduce quite a number of Dagger sounds in any of the synths you've mentioned.

  • SlushSlush
    edited August 2023

    @NeuM said:

    @pedro said:

    @NeuM said:

    @pedro said:
    That’s is left for the reader to elaborate

    OK, that's a boring answer. Try again.

    Well we could hold a sharing thread here (maybe even some competitions, like you suggested).

    if it would happen here it would have to be zipped attachments. Or we could petition for a dagger category on patchstorage

    Don't say something is "boring" next time unless you have a better suggestion. I'm open to hearing something better, but not pointless criticism.

    We should just do what we did with Hilda, each member create 3 patches and then someone needs to collect them, maybe judge them. We should make a deadline and in the end we hopefully end up with a big Audiobus members Dagger patch folder.

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited August 2023

    @Slush said:

    @NeuM said:

    @pedro said:

    @NeuM said:

    @pedro said:
    That’s is left for the reader to elaborate

    OK, that's a boring answer. Try again.

    Well we could hold a sharing thread here (maybe even some competitions, like you suggested).

    if it would happen here it would have to be zipped attachments. Or we could petition for a dagger category on patchstorage

    Don't say something is "boring" next time unless you have a better suggestion. I'm open to hearing something better, but not pointless criticism.

    We should just do what we did with Hilda, each member create 3 patches and then someone needs to collect them, maybe judge them. We should make a deadline and in the end we hopefully end up with a big Audiobus members Dagger patch folder.

    I like this. Maybe expand it to 5 patches each? But also perhaps the developer would be willing to cull the best patches for the next release so it would alleviate some of the confusion that usually follows people posting custom patches here or on patchstorage.com.

    And one problem I've seen from large patch collections which go without a proper culling procedure is wild variations in volume. Some patches will be very small sounding and others will shatter your ears and your speakers. Someone, again it might be the developer, needs to make sure the patches have a range of consistency in quality.

  • scrafscraf
    edited August 2023

    Can anyone tell me what the green half circle bottom right does ? ( Midi learn, assign knob mode )

  • ecouecou

    @oat_phipps said:

    @ecou said:

    @craftycurate said:

    @Samu said:

    @ecou said:
    Is there a manual ? How’s the LFO work ?

    It's easy enough to 'get' while tweaking really.

    Best way to 'explore' Dagger is NOT by reading a manual but by tweaking it.

    Cheers!

    I can’t imagine the OP was suggesting that it’s manual reading OR tweaking? (I.e. false dichotomy)

    Informed tweaking is usually more fruitful than tweaking alone … how is less information going to help us get to grips with anything?

    @NeuM said:

    @Samu said:

    @Antos3345 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Antos3345 said:
    Anyone can tell me how to adjust the LFO rate ? For example, if I choose lfo above the filter, I set the lfo to a waveform, but where’s the rate and amount adjustments that goes to the filter ?

    There aren’t that many knobs on this synth. play around and try to find out what works. It’s fun!

    Yeah, but somethings like this are basic stuff.

    The 'MOD' knob under each section controls the modulation intensity (ie. how much the LFO affects the parameter), the rate of the LFO is the knob next to the waveform selector with 'rate' written under it.

    There' is only one LFO that can be fed to the oscillator, filter and amp sections.
    For the oscillator you can under the MOD switch what it will modulate, for the filter it's just the cut-off, for the amp it's the level.

    I was trying to encourage them to have fun and explore on their own. Where’s the sense of adventure if people have no curiosity or initiative? Oh, well. I tried.

    You cannot always figure out everything by experimentation.

    Yes you can. It just means you might not be able to explain it in words.

    If I turn a knob. I don't hear any sound difference. Unless I have the I knowledge what other knobs interact with it or a manual. How do you suggest I find out?

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @scraf said:

    Can anyone tell me what the green half circle bottom right does ? ( Midi learn, assign knob mode )

  • scrafscraf
    edited August 2023

    Hey thanks, gusgranite, but, um, when does one find that documentation ? ( Edit: Ah, the knob just turned up in AUM, top stuff !! ) ( Edit #2, found the documentation in the AUM manual )

  • Robin2Robin2

    @michael_m said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @Robin2 said:
    I’ve watched the demos and it sounds amazing, no doubt about that, but as someone without too much disposable income who has to be selective when it comes to app purchases, what sounds does Dagger allow you to produce which couldn’t be produced with, for example, Zeeon or ButterSynth?

    Just bumping my own question. No one care/dare to suggest just what it does which no others can? Sorry for being annoying, but my finances demand that I try to find out whether Dagger vs Zeeon or ButterSynth offers anything truly unique before purchasing? If so, what?

    (I say again: it sounds amazing so please don’t think that I’m in any way criticising Dagger by asking this).

    To me it excels with the quality of its filters. You might get close with those others, but this really does have a character that is unique.

    @rs2000 said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @Robin2 said:
    I’ve watched the demos and it sounds amazing, no doubt about that, but as someone without too much disposable income who has to be selective when it comes to app purchases, what sounds does Dagger allow you to produce which couldn’t be produced with, for example, Zeeon or ButterSynth?

    Just bumping my own question. No one care/dare to suggest just what it does which no others can? Sorry for being annoying, but my finances demand that I try to find out whether Dagger vs Zeeon or ButterSynth offers anything truly unique before purchasing? If so, what?

    (I say again: it sounds amazing so please don’t think that I’m in any way criticising Dagger by asking this).

    Dagger's sound is truly unique imo, at least I've not been able to reproduce quite a number of Dagger sounds in any of the synths you've mentioned.

    Thank you both, appreciate it. Does anyone know how long the intro pricing is available for?

  • NeuMNeuM

    @Robin2 said:

    @michael_m said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @Robin2 said:
    I’ve watched the demos and it sounds amazing, no doubt about that, but as someone without too much disposable income who has to be selective when it comes to app purchases, what sounds does Dagger allow you to produce which couldn’t be produced with, for example, Zeeon or ButterSynth?

    Just bumping my own question. No one care/dare to suggest just what it does which no others can? Sorry for being annoying, but my finances demand that I try to find out whether Dagger vs Zeeon or ButterSynth offers anything truly unique before purchasing? If so, what?

    (I say again: it sounds amazing so please don’t think that I’m in any way criticising Dagger by asking this).

    To me it excels with the quality of its filters. You might get close with those others, but this really does have a character that is unique.

    @rs2000 said:

    @Robin2 said:

    @Robin2 said:
    I’ve watched the demos and it sounds amazing, no doubt about that, but as someone without too much disposable income who has to be selective when it comes to app purchases, what sounds does Dagger allow you to produce which couldn’t be produced with, for example, Zeeon or ButterSynth?

    Just bumping my own question. No one care/dare to suggest just what it does which no others can? Sorry for being annoying, but my finances demand that I try to find out whether Dagger vs Zeeon or ButterSynth offers anything truly unique before purchasing? If so, what?

    (I say again: it sounds amazing so please don’t think that I’m in any way criticising Dagger by asking this).

    Dagger's sound is truly unique imo, at least I've not been able to reproduce quite a number of Dagger sounds in any of the synths you've mentioned.

    Thank you both, appreciate it. Does anyone know how long the intro pricing is available for?

    Unless it's specifically stated in the promotional language used in the app description, I don't think you can rely on a promotional price lasting very long. Could range from a week or two to maybe a month?

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @scraf said:
    Hey thanks, gusgranite, but, um, when does one find that documentation ? ( Edit: Ah, the knob just turned up in AUM, top stuff !! ) ( Edit #2, found the documentation in the AUM manual )

    Yeah, sorry I was on the go so that was a to the point post for me. Glad you worked it out! 🙂

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    @ecou said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    @ecou said:

    @craftycurate said:

    @Samu said:

    @ecou said:
    Is there a manual ? How’s the LFO work ?

    It's easy enough to 'get' while tweaking really.

    Best way to 'explore' Dagger is NOT by reading a manual but by tweaking it.

    Cheers!

    I can’t imagine the OP was suggesting that it’s manual reading OR tweaking? (I.e. false dichotomy)

    Informed tweaking is usually more fruitful than tweaking alone … how is less information going to help us get to grips with anything?

    @NeuM said:

    @Samu said:

    @Antos3345 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Antos3345 said:
    Anyone can tell me how to adjust the LFO rate ? For example, if I choose lfo above the filter, I set the lfo to a waveform, but where’s the rate and amount adjustments that goes to the filter ?

    There aren’t that many knobs on this synth. play around and try to find out what works. It’s fun!

    Yeah, but somethings like this are basic stuff.

    The 'MOD' knob under each section controls the modulation intensity (ie. how much the LFO affects the parameter), the rate of the LFO is the knob next to the waveform selector with 'rate' written under it.

    There' is only one LFO that can be fed to the oscillator, filter and amp sections.
    For the oscillator you can under the MOD switch what it will modulate, for the filter it's just the cut-off, for the amp it's the level.

    I was trying to encourage them to have fun and explore on their own. Where’s the sense of adventure if people have no curiosity or initiative? Oh, well. I tried.

    You cannot always figure out everything by experimentation.

    Yes you can. It just means you might not be able to explain it in words.

    If I turn a knob. I don't hear any sound difference. Unless I have the I knowledge what other knobs interact with it or a manual. How do you suggest I find out?

    Experiment, duh. I’m sorry but you’re being too dense and “academic” here and I’m being childlike and simple and that’s the disconnect. But never discount the wisdom of children.

  • ecouecou

    @oat_phipps said:

    @ecou said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    @ecou said:

    @craftycurate said:

    @Samu said:

    @ecou said:
    Is there a manual ? How’s the LFO work ?

    It's easy enough to 'get' while tweaking really.

    Best way to 'explore' Dagger is NOT by reading a manual but by tweaking it.

    Cheers!

    I can’t imagine the OP was suggesting that it’s manual reading OR tweaking? (I.e. false dichotomy)

    Informed tweaking is usually more fruitful than tweaking alone … how is less information going to help us get to grips with anything?

    @NeuM said:

    @Samu said:

    @Antos3345 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Antos3345 said:
    Anyone can tell me how to adjust the LFO rate ? For example, if I choose lfo above the filter, I set the lfo to a waveform, but where’s the rate and amount adjustments that goes to the filter ?

    There aren’t that many knobs on this synth. play around and try to find out what works. It’s fun!

    Yeah, but somethings like this are basic stuff.

    The 'MOD' knob under each section controls the modulation intensity (ie. how much the LFO affects the parameter), the rate of the LFO is the knob next to the waveform selector with 'rate' written under it.

    There' is only one LFO that can be fed to the oscillator, filter and amp sections.
    For the oscillator you can under the MOD switch what it will modulate, for the filter it's just the cut-off, for the amp it's the level.

    I was trying to encourage them to have fun and explore on their own. Where’s the sense of adventure if people have no curiosity or initiative? Oh, well. I tried.

    You cannot always figure out everything by experimentation.

    Yes you can. It just means you might not be able to explain it in words.

    If I turn a knob. I don't hear any sound difference. Unless I have the I knowledge what other knobs interact with it or a manual. How do you suggest I find out?

    Experiment, duh. I’m sorry but you’re being too dense and “academic” here and I’m being childlike and simple and that’s the disconnect. But never discount the wisdom of children.

    For somebody who is preaching being child like. I don’t think you can remember how it feel to not known what all those synth knobs do.

  • gregsmithgregsmith

    Here’s Drambo: Daggersynth edition…

    I really like this one 😁

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    @ecou said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    @ecou said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    @ecou said:

    @craftycurate said:

    @Samu said:

    @ecou said:
    Is there a manual ? How’s the LFO work ?

    It's easy enough to 'get' while tweaking really.

    Best way to 'explore' Dagger is NOT by reading a manual but by tweaking it.

    Cheers!

    I can’t imagine the OP was suggesting that it’s manual reading OR tweaking? (I.e. false dichotomy)

    Informed tweaking is usually more fruitful than tweaking alone … how is less information going to help us get to grips with anything?

    @NeuM said:

    @Samu said:

    @Antos3345 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Antos3345 said:
    Anyone can tell me how to adjust the LFO rate ? For example, if I choose lfo above the filter, I set the lfo to a waveform, but where’s the rate and amount adjustments that goes to the filter ?

    There aren’t that many knobs on this synth. play around and try to find out what works. It’s fun!

    Yeah, but somethings like this are basic stuff.

    The 'MOD' knob under each section controls the modulation intensity (ie. how much the LFO affects the parameter), the rate of the LFO is the knob next to the waveform selector with 'rate' written under it.

    There' is only one LFO that can be fed to the oscillator, filter and amp sections.
    For the oscillator you can under the MOD switch what it will modulate, for the filter it's just the cut-off, for the amp it's the level.

    I was trying to encourage them to have fun and explore on their own. Where’s the sense of adventure if people have no curiosity or initiative? Oh, well. I tried.

    You cannot always figure out everything by experimentation.

    Yes you can. It just means you might not be able to explain it in words.

    If I turn a knob. I don't hear any sound difference. Unless I have the I knowledge what other knobs interact with it or a manual. How do you suggest I find out?

    Experiment, duh. I’m sorry but you’re being too dense and “academic” here and I’m being childlike and simple and that’s the disconnect. But never discount the wisdom of children.

    For somebody who is preaching being child like. I don’t think you can remember how it feel to not known what all those synth knobs do.

    No, I do. We were probably just very different children.

  • ecouecou

    @oat_phipps said:

    @ecou said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    @ecou said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    @ecou said:

    @craftycurate said:

    @Samu said:

    @ecou said:
    Is there a manual ? How’s the LFO work ?

    It's easy enough to 'get' while tweaking really.

    Best way to 'explore' Dagger is NOT by reading a manual but by tweaking it.

    Cheers!

    I can’t imagine the OP was suggesting that it’s manual reading OR tweaking? (I.e. false dichotomy)

    Informed tweaking is usually more fruitful than tweaking alone … how is less information going to help us get to grips with anything?

    @NeuM said:

    @Samu said:

    @Antos3345 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Antos3345 said:
    Anyone can tell me how to adjust the LFO rate ? For example, if I choose lfo above the filter, I set the lfo to a waveform, but where’s the rate and amount adjustments that goes to the filter ?

    There aren’t that many knobs on this synth. play around and try to find out what works. It’s fun!

    Yeah, but somethings like this are basic stuff.

    The 'MOD' knob under each section controls the modulation intensity (ie. how much the LFO affects the parameter), the rate of the LFO is the knob next to the waveform selector with 'rate' written under it.

    There' is only one LFO that can be fed to the oscillator, filter and amp sections.
    For the oscillator you can under the MOD switch what it will modulate, for the filter it's just the cut-off, for the amp it's the level.

    I was trying to encourage them to have fun and explore on their own. Where’s the sense of adventure if people have no curiosity or initiative? Oh, well. I tried.

    You cannot always figure out everything by experimentation.

    Yes you can. It just means you might not be able to explain it in words.

    If I turn a knob. I don't hear any sound difference. Unless I have the I knowledge what other knobs interact with it or a manual. How do you suggest I find out?

    Experiment, duh. I’m sorry but you’re being too dense and “academic” here and I’m being childlike and simple and that’s the disconnect. But never discount the wisdom of children.

    For somebody who is preaching being child like. I don’t think you can remember how it feel to not known what all those synth knobs do.

    No, I do. We were probably just very different children.

    Well I am 50 and learning synthesis with very limited time and energy.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @ecou said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    @ecou said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    @ecou said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    @ecou said:

    @craftycurate said:

    @Samu said:

    @ecou said:
    Is there a manual ? How’s the LFO work ?

    It's easy enough to 'get' while tweaking really.

    Best way to 'explore' Dagger is NOT by reading a manual but by tweaking it.

    Cheers!

    I can’t imagine the OP was suggesting that it’s manual reading OR tweaking? (I.e. false dichotomy)

    Informed tweaking is usually more fruitful than tweaking alone … how is less information going to help us get to grips with anything?

    @NeuM said:

    @Samu said:

    @Antos3345 said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Antos3345 said:
    Anyone can tell me how to adjust the LFO rate ? For example, if I choose lfo above the filter, I set the lfo to a waveform, but where’s the rate and amount adjustments that goes to the filter ?

    There aren’t that many knobs on this synth. play around and try to find out what works. It’s fun!

    Yeah, but somethings like this are basic stuff.

    The 'MOD' knob under each section controls the modulation intensity (ie. how much the LFO affects the parameter), the rate of the LFO is the knob next to the waveform selector with 'rate' written under it.

    There' is only one LFO that can be fed to the oscillator, filter and amp sections.
    For the oscillator you can under the MOD switch what it will modulate, for the filter it's just the cut-off, for the amp it's the level.

    I was trying to encourage them to have fun and explore on their own. Where’s the sense of adventure if people have no curiosity or initiative? Oh, well. I tried.

    You cannot always figure out everything by experimentation.

    Yes you can. It just means you might not be able to explain it in words.

    If I turn a knob. I don't hear any sound difference. Unless I have the I knowledge what other knobs interact with it or a manual. How do you suggest I find out?

    Experiment, duh. I’m sorry but you’re being too dense and “academic” here and I’m being childlike and simple and that’s the disconnect. But never discount the wisdom of children.

    For somebody who is preaching being child like. I don’t think you can remember how it feel to not known what all those synth knobs do.

    No, I do. We were probably just very different children.

    Well I am 50 and learning synthesis with very limited time and energy.

    LOL. You're younger than a lot of us here. The point with music is to have fun, so if you don't enjoy it or want to explore, why bother?

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