Dagger Synth by BeepStreet (Released)

Luxthor

@giku_beepstreet said:
I'm in with something quick

All sounds including drums is Dagger. 3 instances in Drambo

Haha, it’s so powerful that you can start making music straight from the ‘init’ patch! 🤩

Slush

Slush

Interesting to know that ‘spice’ simulates faulty components, wondered what that was.
Also explanation of the filter models, very nice.

Poppadocrock

@wim said:

@Poppadocrock said:
I’ve heard a few demos, but I’m curious what people think Dagger Synths strengths are in terms of types of sounds? Basses/Leads, or can it do pads, keys, plucks, etc just as well?

I guess I’m asking what types of sounds is Dagger Synth really good at making?

I'll take a stab at answering this. Just a few points:

Let's cut to the chase - Dagger is a cutting edge synth. It has killer filters that can take the edge off of overly sharp tones with surgical precision to carve out the perfect sound. Or open up them up to cut through the mix like a knife. No matter how you slice it, Dagger Synth will give your tracks an edge like no other. Its design is pared down to shave complexity. You won't be whittling away your time either as you hone your skills with Dagger. Stick it on any track! It's a real Swiss Army Knife of a synth. Dagger literally slays the competition. Nobody, but nobody, will poke fun at your Dagger tracks. What would be the point?

Just get it! You'll enjoy it to the hilt!

Cheers @wim

dokwok2

Should Ronin be 18, as on label, or 24, as on diagram?

sigma79

Thanks Luxthor.

Never made an acid bass but it seems good.

Thought there were a bug. When loading track save as couldnt control synth.

I made an un-intended bass ( with the acid bass, lfo and sequence )

sigma79

Reminds me of shockwave but nicer.

I thought I needed it to be a poly synth

but I guess you wouldnt make the same basses.

NeuM

@dokwok2 said:
Should Ronin be 18, as on label, or 24, as on diagram?

As long as the number is correct, I suppose the name is not that important.

Antos3345

Can someone explain how this can be used on OS desktop Ableton ( if it can) .

michael_m

@Antos3345 said:
Can someone explain how this can be used on OS desktop Ableton ( if it can) .

I don’t remember if it’s available for Mac as I haven’t checked, but I assume if it is you just download it from the App Store and it will appear as an AU.

Poppadocrock

I just grabbed it, and Holy Crap! This is a beast. This does have a Moog sub 25-ish sound. It can slap and squeak, but also be super warm and rumbly. Wow. The sound of this app is absolutely phenomenal.

Congratulations on this release @giku_beepstreet

giku_beepstreet

@wim said:

@Poppadocrock said:
I’ve heard a few demos, but I’m curious what people think Dagger Synths strengths are in terms of types of sounds? Basses/Leads, or can it do pads, keys, plucks, etc just as well?

I guess I’m asking what types of sounds is Dagger Synth really good at making?

I'll take a stab at answering this. Just a few points:

Let's cut to the chase - Dagger is a cutting edge synth. It has killer filters that can take the edge off of overly sharp tones with surgical precision to carve out the perfect sound. Or open up them up to cut through the mix like a knife. No matter how you slice it, Dagger Synth will give your tracks an edge like no other. Its design is pared down to shave complexity. You won't be whittling away your time either as you hone your skills with Dagger. Stick it on any track! It's a real Swiss Army Knife of a synth. Dagger literally slays the competition. Nobody, but nobody, will poke fun at your Dagger tracks. What would be the point?

Just get it! You'll enjoy it to the hilt!

I regret this thread is not the AppStore’s Dagger review page.

Thank you guys!

Antos3345

@Poppadocrock said:
I just grabbed it, and Holy Crap! This is a beast. This does have a Moog sub 25-ish sound. It can slap and squeak, but also be super warm and rumbly. Wow. The sound of this app is absolutely phenomenal.

Congratulations on this release @giku_beepstreet

Does it show up as an audio unit instrument in Ableton too?

NeuM

@giku_beepstreet said:

@wim said:

@Poppadocrock said:
I’ve heard a few demos, but I’m curious what people think Dagger Synths strengths are in terms of types of sounds? Basses/Leads, or can it do pads, keys, plucks, etc just as well?

I guess I’m asking what types of sounds is Dagger Synth really good at making?

I'll take a stab at answering this. Just a few points:

Let's cut to the chase - Dagger is a cutting edge synth. It has killer filters that can take the edge off of overly sharp tones with surgical precision to carve out the perfect sound. Or open up them up to cut through the mix like a knife. No matter how you slice it, Dagger Synth will give your tracks an edge like no other. Its design is pared down to shave complexity. You won't be whittling away your time either as you hone your skills with Dagger. Stick it on any track! It's a real Swiss Army Knife of a synth. Dagger literally slays the competition. Nobody, but nobody, will poke fun at your Dagger tracks. What would be the point?

Just get it! You'll enjoy it to the hilt!

I regret this thread is not the AppStore’s Dagger review page.

Thank you guys!

Haha. Yeah, @wim should repost it there.

HotStrange

@oat_phipps said:

@HotStrange said:

@oat_phipps said:

@ecou said:

@oat_phipps said:

@ecou said:

@oat_phipps said:

@ecou said:

@oat_phipps said:

@ecou said:

@craftycurate said:

@Samu said:

@ecou said:
Is there a manual ? How’s the LFO work ?

It's easy enough to 'get' while tweaking really.

Best way to 'explore' Dagger is NOT by reading a manual but by tweaking it.

Cheers!

I can’t imagine the OP was suggesting that it’s manual reading OR tweaking? (I.e. false dichotomy)

Informed tweaking is usually more fruitful than tweaking alone … how is less information going to help us get to grips with anything?

@NeuM said:

@Samu said:

@Antos3345 said:

@NeuM said:

@Antos3345 said:
Anyone can tell me how to adjust the LFO rate ? For example, if I choose lfo above the filter, I set the lfo to a waveform, but where’s the rate and amount adjustments that goes to the filter ?

There aren’t that many knobs on this synth. play around and try to find out what works. It’s fun!

Yeah, but somethings like this are basic stuff.

The 'MOD' knob under each section controls the modulation intensity (ie. how much the LFO affects the parameter), the rate of the LFO is the knob next to the waveform selector with 'rate' written under it.

There' is only one LFO that can be fed to the oscillator, filter and amp sections.
For the oscillator you can under the MOD switch what it will modulate, for the filter it's just the cut-off, for the amp it's the level.

I was trying to encourage them to have fun and explore on their own. Where’s the sense of adventure if people have no curiosity or initiative? Oh, well. I tried.

You cannot always figure out everything by experimentation.

Yes you can. It just means you might not be able to explain it in words.

If I turn a knob. I don't hear any sound difference. Unless I have the I knowledge what other knobs interact with it or a manual. How do you suggest I find out?

Experiment, duh. I’m sorry but you’re being too dense and “academic” here and I’m being childlike and simple and that’s the disconnect. But never discount the wisdom of children.

For somebody who is preaching being child like. I don’t think you can remember how it feel to not known what all those synth knobs do.

No, I do. We were probably just very different children.

Well I am 50 and learning synthesis with very limited time and energy.

I feel you. I’m 38 but I’m a bipolar narcoleptic who sleeps 15-16 hours a day, so I’ve almost literally lived my life in half-scale since I was 17. It’s just really important to not get buried by life and feel that childlike curiosity when you do get a chance to play, I think.

Oof sorry to hear that. I’m Bipolar as well but luckily I don’t have narcolepsy. Hope things are good with you my friend.

Appreciate it. Hope you stay in check as well. Never stops being hard.

Indeed. Thanks to you as well 🤝

abf

This synth sounds very nice! I want to purchase but

Has anybody tried the Mac version? The Mac app store version says "Not verified for MacOS".

I have an M1 Mac, and I really want to buy apps that will work both on the iPad and on my laptop.
Several years ago I bought Sunrizer for my Macbook Air, but it was too buggy (maybe it's better now?) so I'm cautious.

NeuM

@abf said:
This synth sounds very nice! I want to purchase but

Has anybody tried the Mac version? The Mac app store version says "Not verified for MacOS".

I have an M1 Mac, and I really want to buy apps that will work both on the iPad and on my laptop.
Several years ago I bought Sunrizer for my Macbook Air, but it was too buggy (maybe it's better now?) so I'm cautious.

I've had no problems with it on desktop, other than the default view size is a bit large and in general there are some UI improvements I'd like to see the developer make. I still recommend it. It works on iPadOS and macOS just great, and you only pay once.

Also, I don't know what you're looking at because this is what the Mac App Store says:

giku_beepstreet

I would like to add a Community bank soon. If you made presets, that you want to share, please post them here or send to info@beepstreet. (preset names should be prefixed with your nickname)

abf

@NeuM said:

I've had no problems with it on desktop, other than the default view size is a bit large and in general there are some UI improvements I'd like to see the developer make. I still recommend it. It works on iPadOS and macOS just great, and you only pay once.

Thanks for the information, that is good news. I think this synth sounds terrific.

It reads "Not verified for MacOS" under "Analog modeling synthesizer". It made me worry a little.
This screen shot is from the Mac app store:

[Deleted User]

@giku_beepstreet would you consider adding the possibility to change global pitch/add microtonal tuning? (btw the possibility to import scala files in sunrizer no longer seems funtional, sunrizer doesn't appear in the file system as an app to share a scala file with)

giku_beepstreet

@pruddo said:
@giku_beepstreet would you consider adding the possibility to change global pitch/add microtonal tuning? (btw the possibility to import scala files in sunrizer no longer seems funtional, sunrizer doesn't appear in the file system as an app to share a scala file with)

Yes, I'm considering an "XT" IAP with morph, step seq, p-locks, MPE, scales...

[Deleted User]

@giku_beepstreet said:

@pruddo said:
@giku_beepstreet would you consider adding the possibility to change global pitch/add microtonal tuning? (btw the possibility to import scala files in sunrizer no longer seems funtional, sunrizer doesn't appear in the file system as an app to share a scala file with)

Yes, I'm considering an "XT" IAP with step seq, p-locks, MPE, scales...

Great!

dendy

@giku_beepstreet said:

@pruddo said:
@giku_beepstreet would you consider adding the possibility to change global pitch/add microtonal tuning? (btw the possibility to import scala files in sunrizer no longer seems funtional, sunrizer doesn't appear in the file system as an app to share a scala file with)

Yes, I'm considering an "XT" IAP with morph, step seq, p-locks, MPE, scales...

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Also in future if you can add saw to LFO (now there is just in enevlope mode, i mean i classic loop mode) that would be lovely.

Samu

@dendy said:

@giku_beepstreet said:

@pruddo said:
@giku_beepstreet would you consider adding the possibility to change global pitch/add microtonal tuning? (btw the possibility to import scala files in sunrizer no longer seems funtional, sunrizer doesn't appear in the file system as an app to share a scala file with)

Yes, I'm considering an "XT" IAP with morph, step seq, p-locks, MPE, scales...

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Also in future if you can add saw to LFO (now there is just in enevlope mode, i mean i classic loop mode) that would be lovely.

That would be nice addition, my personal wish is to be able to use negative envelope modulation on the filter so it opens up during the release stage. So for the envelope modulation of the filter center position would be no modulation, full on left would be negative modulation and full on right would be positive modulation.

Negative LFO modulation of the pitch could be handy too especially if/when it gets a saw/ramp wave.
(I like the fact that the LFO output is uni-polar as it makes tuning things a lot easier than a bi-polar LFO)

Hi-pass and Band-pass options for the filter models would nice additions as well

Zerozerozero

@Samu said:

@dendy said:

@giku_beepstreet said:

@pruddo said:
@giku_beepstreet would you consider adding the possibility to change global pitch/add microtonal tuning? (btw the possibility to import scala files in sunrizer no longer seems funtional, sunrizer doesn't appear in the file system as an app to share a scala file with)

Yes, I'm considering an "XT" IAP with morph, step seq, p-locks, MPE, scales...

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Also in future if you can add saw to LFO (now there is just in enevlope mode, i mean i classic loop mode) that would be lovely.

That would be nice addition, my personal wish is to be able to use negative envelope modulation on the filter so it opens up during the release stage. So for the envelope modulation of the filter center position would be no modulation, full on left would be negative modulation and full on right would be positive modulation.

Negative LFO modulation of the pitch could be handy too especially if/when it gets a saw/ramp wave.
(I like the fact that the LFO output is uni-polar as it makes tuning things a lot easier than a bi-polar LFO)

Hi-pass and Band-pass options for the filter models would nice additions as well

Negative modulation would be very handy. Do you know of any other universal iOS synths that have this? Thanks

dendy

@Zerozerozero said:

@Samu said:

@dendy said:

@giku_beepstreet said:

@pruddo said:
@giku_beepstreet would you consider adding the possibility to change global pitch/add microtonal tuning? (btw the possibility to import scala files in sunrizer no longer seems funtional, sunrizer doesn't appear in the file system as an app to share a scala file with)

Yes, I'm considering an "XT" IAP with morph, step seq, p-locks, MPE, scales...

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Also in future if you can add saw to LFO (now there is just in enevlope mode, i mean i classic loop mode) that would be lovely.

That would be nice addition, my personal wish is to be able to use negative envelope modulation on the filter so it opens up during the release stage. So for the envelope modulation of the filter center position would be no modulation, full on left would be negative modulation and full on right would be positive modulation.

Negative LFO modulation of the pitch could be handy too especially if/when it gets a saw/ramp wave.
(I like the fact that the LFO output is uni-polar as it makes tuning things a lot easier than a bi-polar LFO)

Hi-pass and Band-pass options for the filter models would nice additions as well

Negative modulation would be very handy. Do you know of any other universal iOS synths that have this? Thanks

Totally subscribe to this.. also in terms of implementation, in theory it should be too complicated - just set 0 value in middle of "Mod" and "Env" knobs path (instad of begining, like it is now), and then adjust range from -1.0 to 1.0 instead of from 0.0 - 1.0 (i guess that's internal implementation @giku_beepstreet) - that way existing patches will be not broken but possibility to negative mod by both Env and Lfo will be added ..

Samu

@Zerozerozero said:

Negative modulation would be very handy. Do you know of any other universal iOS synths that have this? Thanks

Poison 202 and Lagrange are few that work on both the iPad and iPhone.
There might be others but I honestly don't keep track of iPhone compatible apps as I mostly use Koala on my iPhone 8...

supadom

@Gavinski said:

@ecou said:

@oat_phipps said:

@ecou said:

@craftycurate said:

@Samu said:

@ecou said:
Is there a manual ? How’s the LFO work ?

It's easy enough to 'get' while tweaking really.

Best way to 'explore' Dagger is NOT by reading a manual but by tweaking it.

Cheers!

I can’t imagine the OP was suggesting that it’s manual reading OR tweaking? (I.e. false dichotomy)

Informed tweaking is usually more fruitful than tweaking alone … how is less information going to help us get to grips with anything?

@NeuM said:

@Samu said:

@Antos3345 said:

@NeuM said:

@Antos3345 said:
Anyone can tell me how to adjust the LFO rate ? For example, if I choose lfo above the filter, I set the lfo to a waveform, but where’s the rate and amount adjustments that goes to the filter ?

There aren’t that many knobs on this synth. play around and try to find out what works. It’s fun!

Yeah, but somethings like this are basic stuff.

The 'MOD' knob under each section controls the modulation intensity (ie. how much the LFO affects the parameter), the rate of the LFO is the knob next to the waveform selector with 'rate' written under it.

There' is only one LFO that can be fed to the oscillator, filter and amp sections.
For the oscillator you can under the MOD switch what it will modulate, for the filter it's just the cut-off, for the amp it's the level.

I was trying to encourage them to have fun and explore on their own. Where’s the sense of adventure if people have no curiosity or initiative? Oh, well. I tried.

You cannot always figure out everything by experimentation.

Yes you can. It just means you might not be able to explain it in words.

If I turn a knob. I don't hear any sound difference. Unless I have the I knowledge what other knobs interact with it or a manual. How do you suggest I find out?

I'm with you, synths or any app really, should have a manual. Doesn't this have one? But yeah, imo the people saying just tweak and see are not really being helpful here

Perhaps the solution might be to include some links to tutorials within the app.

I’m not saying that all development time should be dedicated to the core of the app but since there’s already a lot of info out there…

dendy

@Zerozerozero said:
Do you know of any other universal iOS synths that have this? Thanks

Butter Synth, Zeeon

Samu

Sunrizer (iOS/iPadOS/M1/M2 Mac) does negative filter envelope modulation.
Most IceGear apps do it as well...