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Totally. From what I recall, Rej (Caustic Dev) was the burnout case
Hope dude is doing fine nowadays
My feelings on NS2 and Caustic and other apps that are out of development are pretty similar. Development has stopped for whatever reason, doesn't really matter what the reason is (except to note that I hope that the developers are doing fine). It is highly unlikely that development will restart, and talk about community funding or a kickstarter or a buyout or whatever probably won't address the real reasons development has stopped. The great likelihood is that the app in question is not coming back to life.
If the app is a super-strong fit for your dream workflow then, well, it still works for now, so make an investment if you like, knowing you may have to be careful about OS upgrades and such, and knowing that eventually the rug will be pulled out from under you. If you've been using it for years and don't want to give it up then fine, don't give it up. If you're just curious because you've heard a lot about it, I'd personally have a hard time justifying the investment in time and money to get up-to-speed on an unsupported app. There are lots of great apps out there that are still in robust development. Spend that money and energy on Drambo or Loopy Pro or something. Just my $0.02
Masterpiece of a comment, it's more like an ‘Ode to the NS2’ then a ‘short’ post, you are on the Legendary level my friend. Salute! 🫡
Limitations to any art form lead to more inspiration and cleaner messages, that's why we have so many mediums and disciplines. In such an environment art value is not diminished, only elevated.
NS2 is a complete solution for music making, period.
Recent discussion kicked me to start working on new Obsidian patch bank :-) Be prepared on 150-200 new presets few months from now, “Synthetic Autumn II.” is coming 🤣
HELL YEAH! Dendy's patches are sick!! I thank you in advance make you charge what they are worth...So,..$1000 a preset.
😂 thanks
That's the great news! 🤩 I bet that making Obsidian standalone and AUv3 will make more profit for Matt than NS and NS2 did together.
And, yet that might not be enough revenue to make it seem like a worthwhile use of his time.
I loved NS1 (beautyful Eden Synth) and still love NS2. NS1 was a life-saver for me when i was sick for a long time (due to burnout, depression etc.). I had it on an iPod Touch, sticked in this small Akai Synthstation; my portable and only "workstation" when in hospital. For me, NS has kind of character as a musical instrument of its own, like Reason. With all the pros and cons like every groovebox or workstation or MPC. When NS2 came out, it was a no-brainer but when the signs get clearer and clearer the the app would be abandoned, i got a bit frustrated. I know about burnout, very very well. But i also know that a creator has responsibility for his creation. IMHO when i decide to let a project go, i also leave hundreds of users behind when i do not search another dev who can continue the project. And its so sad that this happened to NS2.
When you can live with NS2 as it is now; an abandoned but great Instrument, and you find your workflow within, take it! So much passion and love in the comments here show, that NS is something special and it would absolutely deserve to be continued. The efficient coding and how CPU friendly and stable this beast is, outstanding!
Nano is pretty stable now. I haven’t had any problems with it whatsoever. It’s still going strong
Its really too bad thise two developers couldnt just sell and tetain some shares of their companies? If the right developers got ahold of caustic and nanostudio i think they will live on…but of course it would take someone who gets those apps thoroughly and respects what they are. If you took Dendy’s suggestions and added auv3 automation support and audio tracks …it would literally be hard to discredit nanostudio for any audio daw needs. You would need nothing else other than keeping it stable.
I hear you, but....I don't like anybody looking at my private code repo's
I don't think that, if I had built something like either of those products, that I'd just hand over the knowledge of how to do DSP coding like I did it. Let them figure it out!
I've worked day and night on all this code for 5 years...here.
I would never do that.
I don't think it's that easy to hand off a complicated codebase. Reading other people's code is hard. Usually when a software company is bought out, at least some of the original developers continue in the surviving entity and so are around to offer advice and counsel as to what this or that function does. I think you'd have a hard time finding a software company willing to purchase a codebase that's been derelict for years, from a solo developer.
This. Especially when it is project with such questionnable returns like iOS DAW.
Apple is doing it just to justify the fact that they are selling iPad Pros as “professional content creation devices” so they need to have SW covered music and video editing apps. I am highly in doubt they will get back developement expenses in next 4-8 years.
Steinberg is doing itprobably just as form if advertisement for Cubase. (Same like Inage Line)
Korg obviously leaved the building.
Roland is doing it who knows why, maybe they have some enthusiast at higher management chair or whatever - honestly Roland investing into ZB developement in this niche market doesn’t make sense to me. It’s just weird anomaly :-))
AEM & Multitrack Studio - probably enthusiasts doing it as hobby projects.
Did i forgot any other actively developed DAW ?
I think Apple, Roland and Korg all have/had a similar vision of a world where you can pick up any of your devices and work on a music project. And they all see something in the future of music making on touch interfaces. And all of them want to sell you hardware of one sort or another, and probably see software as a way to generate interest in that hardware. Roland and Korg want to get you excited about the Roland and Korg “sound” respectively and maybe buy a real synth or two, and would also love to sell you things like midi controllers and audio interfaces, and Apple wants to sell you a more powerful computing device to run your software on.
Indie developers, almost by definition, lack the resources to address multiple markets simultaneously or develop hardware/software ecosystems. And a DAW is a big freakin’ project. So they almost have to generate all their revenue with that one DAW product. Hard to do when $50 or so is the going price for an iOS DAW I’m sure.
My hope is that iPad Logic will rekindle interest in the platform for music making, and help create a market for other music apps, even competing ones. Maybe it will inspire Korg to reinvest in the platform and finally release more AUv3’s. Maybe it’ll tempt Arturia back into the pool. Maybe it’ll bring more iPad users online and create a bigger market for Loopy Pro and AUM. It is to be hoped.
There are some great developers in this community and it would be sad to lose them because of lack of support. I think Matt from Blip has built a truly brilliant piece of kit with NS2 and it's a pity we're unlikely to see future development. Implementing the changes suggested by @dendy along with audio tracks would make this one of the best DAWs in the world imho.
Some people are trying to fit NS2 to a place where it does not belong. 😂
Wow wow wow!
I have just been using it as a drum and synth sequencer! It can do so much more. Thank you for the videos.
I have never sampled but I would like to try so that I could just sample my drum machines and stack the sounds in slate so that I do not have to run three drum machines all the time
speaking of sampling, another part of NS i really like - sampling screen .. yeapecially the treshold part where you can set treshold, arm recording and it automatically starts record only when volume goes above treahold, and even tou can set it to temporarily stop record when volume goes bellow treshold .. l plus you can control song playback directly from recording screen to record in sync with rest of track .. nice.
Oh! Forgot about this! I need to try it out
That's a feature I wonder why so few apps or hardware have.
There are probably more, but apps = NS2, BM3 and Loopy Pro
Hardware = SP404 and whatnot
I’d buy NS2 again. If I was rich, I’d send Matt $50k just as thanks for developing it. I am not rich however. He nailed so many of the UI and UX elements that it should be considered a masterclass in mobile DAW design IMO.
Digitakt too
I agree… if I was wealthy I’d start handing out grants to developers to work on their apps full time so we can enjoy great products but the reality is based on a whole different economic model. As more high end products come we’ll see more customers for the better and more expensive products. $20 DAW’s might be able to request prices closer to Logic Pro’s monthly subscription model. But divide the DAW market agin by the number of players. At today’s pricing I have tended to just buy them all and let they lie dormant on my SSD. So far, I have not bought into the Logic Pro model since the UI tends to frustrate me and I keep creating experiments in AUM. I think I’d make a move when and if I do towards Loopy Pro because I love the Looping model… I just need to learn it deeply. That usually happens by making projects.
YES 👍🏼. Absolutely YES I would buy Nanostudio2 in 2023. It is a masterpiece. The man spent 5 years developing that app!!!!!! FIVE YEARS before he released it. The synth alone is worth buying an ipad for. The app is a jewel. If I had only a few apps NS2, Audioshare, BM3 , GADGET. but I have the opposite of “only a few apps” and I still place these at my top. NS2 is one of the few apps I have ever seen released with such massive love. BM3 would be another.
Nanostudio was one of my first apps - it taught me so much about electronic music production. And it was fun! NS2 is probably enough to keep me busy for the rest of my life, if I actually devoted the time to it. These days, I'm using more hardware, but this thread has inspired me to dive back into NS2. It's such a fantastic environment to make music in. And drag handles are the best way to edit midi - beatmaker copied it. I'm surprised it's not standard now.
Question for the NS2 power users (@dendy, @drez etc). Have you found a small midi keyboard with knobs that maps really easily to NS2? It's one thing I've never really tried, but I prefer twisting knobs and pulling real faders to touching glass (apart from the drag handles, of course!)
Arturia Keystep 37. Add a Korg Nanokontrol if you need more buttons, knobs and especially faders.
Hard to answer, everybody has different criteria on such device... no matter which hw you choose, to configure controller mapping in NS is pretty easy , you can do it in mixer track detail view an you set mappong for actually selected midi input for track - you can also save this configuration so when you set different midi input for track all default mapp8ngs set for that inout will be loaded automatically
Btw as you see on my screenshot you can map not only Obsidan/AU intrument macro kbobs but also most of paramters of stock plugins .. All that setings is saved as default template for selected midi input
My first recommendation would be Logic Pro for iPad. But that’s not your question. I own almost all DAWs available for my iPad Pro and NanoStudio 2 is a hidden gem. Obsidian synthesizer is probably the single best synthesizer for iPad, even to this day. The workflow is somewhat different than Cubasis but there’s no steep learning curve. I can recommend NanoStudio 2. It ticks most of the boxes (no audio recording unfortunately), sounds amazing, supports AUv3 and is affordable.
I sold one of those! Really good, but too long to put in a backpack. Also, would prefer something that can run on batteries.