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I'm (no longer) mentally blocked and now we discuss learning Psy Trance!

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  • edited September 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @Simon said:
    Who? This guy?...

    Hahaha

    I love that photo.

    It is like someone asked Ai to create a photo blend of Rasputin and Roger Daltry with his finger in a power socket.

  • edited September 2023

    @ervin said:

    Now careful with that goulash analogy, mate.

    absolutely love hungarian gulash ❤️
    and Budapest.. most beautiful city i ever visited

  • @dendy said:

    @ervin said:

    Now careful with that goulash analogy, mate.

    absolutely love hungarian gulash ❤️
    and Budapest.. most beautiful city i ever visited

    Love Budapest!

  • @Gavinski said:

    @dendy said:

    @ervin said:

    Now careful with that goulash analogy, mate.

    absolutely love hungarian gulash ❤️
    and Budapest.. most beautiful city i ever visited

    Love Budapest!

    Subscribed! 😍

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @cokomairena said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    . I have ADHD. Being accused of something I didn't do easily messes with my head.
    .

    I was just diagnosed a year ago being 40 years old and this sentenced just resolved (as in explaining something of my past) one of the biggest hurdle I had in life. Thank you for sharing.

    Of course mate. ADHD is rather interesting and can be fun in how it makes us think differently and hyperfocus on important tasks such as music creation...at least that is when I can wrangle in my brain. 🤪 The downside of ADHD is not wanting to waste time and energy and focus cleaning up after myself and ending up hiring a cleaning service to tidy the flat. 😂🤣 (Luckily my flat is about 500 sq ft/45 sq meters so it doesn't completely drain my wallet.)

    ADHD is really individual though, so it’s not something that conforms to the clichéd image of a kid running around at speed and not listening to anyone. For me I have to organize EVERYTHING, and hate things being out of place as that’s when I start forgetting things or not being able to figure things out. I procrastinate a lot but then hyper focus to finish things at the last possible moment.

    I wasn’t diagnosed until about 9 or 10 years ago, but spent my entire life developing coping mechanisms. As a kid my school sent me for hearing tests a couple of times as I wouldn’t respond to people stood near me and talking to me. I guess no one ever thought to evaluate me for ADHD.

    I would probably hate to see your flat and clean it up for free… 😂

  • On a lighter note @ervin could you post your recipe for goulash? I love that dish.

  • @Alfred said:
    On a lighter note @ervin could you post your recipe for goulash? I love that dish.

    Only if you can read Hungarian 😄

  • @Svetlovska said:
    I’m not mentally blocked and I still can’t create music. :)

    Hmm, I think everyone is mentally blocked to some extent, it’s part of the human predicament. Sages of old have tried to fix it for thousands of years. But to no avail…
    Now some of those mentality blocked individuals, in addition, can’t make music.
    I think we’re part of an elite, here (I include myself)

  • @Simon said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Simon said:
    Surely Mrs. Gav is technically correct? Everything does happen for a reason.

    Tell me, what happens without any reason? :smiley:

    Yeah, but she means it in the sense of a benevolent bearded puppetmaster who’s got a grand plan, etc 😅

    Who? This guy?...

    :D

  • @dendy said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @dendy said:

    @shinyisshiny said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic if this is cultural appropriation, then literally all music is cultural appropriation, especially psy trance, and some more of those heady EDM genres. Fuck the haters, make a track that is even more culturally ambiguous.

    My man ! This!

    Psy totally mixes together multiple cultural origins (western, arabic, asian) into one powerful goulash of rhythms and grooves :-))

    I do love an incredible Psy Trance track. Holy sh-t, wait a minute! I think I have an idea of what I want to create next! Psy Trance! Oooo, I gotta research the genre (actually study it, not just listening casually), and find some Youtube tutorials explaining the genre.

    It’s most hard electronic genre to produce, at least to my experience ..

    here if you are interested, this guy has lots of high quality tutorials .. he uses desktop apps but the knowledge is mostly applicable also on ios ..

    start probably with this, good kick+bass is absolute essential, if that is not how it should be, rest of track will not work too..

    psytrance is extremely demanding for sound design skills, more than most of electronic genres ..

    I'm pretty adept at challenging sound design, so I say "bring on the learning", lol. Thank you for this series mate. :) This will teach me a lot.

  • @Luxthor said:

    @dendy said:

    @Luxthor said:
    I envy Canadians, I’ve never been there. I just assume it’s the best place on the planet. At least it's the homeland for musicians that enriched my musical affinity. 🤩 Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, Arcade Fire, Cœur de pirate, … Yeah, far away from Punk Rock, haha!

    And Joel Zimmerman, aka Deadmau5 !!! Really like that guy and not just his music but also his “not giving fuck and being brutally honest at all costs” style

    Yeah, Canada is full of great musicians, I only listed those whose music had the greatest impact on me, and I already have a collection of albums.

    Here’s a couple of my favorite Canadian band

    Sword (not The sword)
    Voivod
    Devin Townsend and all his side project
    Annihilator
    Sacrifice
    Triumph
    Rush

  • edited September 2023

    @jwmmakerofmusic
    I'm pretty adept at challenging sound design, so I say "bring on the learning", lol. Thank you for this series mate. :) This will teach me a lot.

    looking forward what you create .. be prepared for for my criticism comments ;-)

  • As long as the AI doesn't generate an album cover for you that is some kind of mishmash of, say, the Dalai Lama and the god Hanuman, you'll be grand 😂.

    And​make sure it stays away from Swastikas, whatever direction they happen to face 😅

  • edited September 2023

    btw just for refference of modern psy sound, this is probably one of best sets released this year … pure refference how it should sound.. i have to admit that even my sound is far away from this quality :-))

    just to compare, this is old school goa from 90’s

    oldschool goa was much more relying on scales and music motives (and iconography) from India, where moder psytrance originates from Israel and takes much more influences from techno (still also fusing elements from indian and arabic music, but bot that obviously).

    Also in moder psytrance are multiple subgenres, the one inpasted above is more melodic/ progressive psy, there are also much darker and less melodyc “techno” things like darkpsy/forestpsy, but that is not much my cup of tea :-)

    and then there is this madness called “hitek” :-)) … i would say you need really a lot of “substances” to be able dance and listen to this one 🤣

  • @dendy said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic
    I'm pretty adept at challenging sound design, so I say "bring on the learning", lol. Thank you for this series mate. :) This will teach me a lot.

    looking forward what you create .. be prepared for for my criticism comments ;-)

    You could dissect the song as thoroughly as possible so that JWM can build tolerance. ;) I'll be in need of the same treatment soon.

  • edited September 2023

    @Gavinski said:
    And​ make sure it stays away from Swastikas, whatever direction they happen to face 😅

    Have you any idea how irritating it is that those Nazi fucks have succeeded in appropriating large chunks of Northern European folklore ? (Most evidently, the Norse tradition.)

    It is the world mythology which sings most directly to me, all those dark winter forests, wolves, and crones, and world-trees, and the weavers of a persons Wyrd , the warp and weft of Fate, predestined but still mutable, the gods all knowing the precise time and manner of their deaths in Ragnarok but living life to the fullest anyway, not in spite of but because it will all end, Loki a trans icon, changing not only gender but species to give birth to Sleipnir, and yet divines still more human in their lusts and pleasures and passions than the plaster saints and marble heroes of those other, hotter-tempered, more sanctimonious faiths…

    But look up anything to do with the Norse tradition on line, and you are never more than a handful of clicks from a Nazi. The net result is that runes become… questionable… and the sonnenrad? Right out.

    Bastards! :(

  • @Svetlovska said:

    @Gavinski said:
    And​ make sure it stays away from Swastikas, whatever direction they happen to face 😅

    Have you any idea how irritating it is that those Nazi fucks have also decided to appropriate large chunks of Northern European folklore too? (Most evidently, the Norse tradition.) It is the world mythology which sings most directly to me, all those dark winter forests, wolves, and crones, and world-trees, and the weavers of a persons Wyrd , the warp and weft of Fate, predestined but still mutable… but the net result is runes become… questionable… and the sonnenrad? Right out.

    Bastards! :(

    Yes - very very annoying - I guess the anarchists, commies and normies have to find some way to reclaim those potent symbols

  • edited September 2023

    …and that’s why we can’t have nice things. It’s an interesting situation for some religious people that had nothing to do with nazism. I also understand why some people don’t want to rehabilitate the symbol

  • @Gavinski thanks for clarifying, i admittedly did not read the comments before commenting myself, i see now my "fuck the haters" comment was unnecessary.

  • so,,,,,can we hijack this thread and turn it into a PsyTrance thread now :

    Some older Psy - the first song to get me into the genre :

    Some melodic Deadmau5 esqe Psy:

    Some Acid influened:

    Ranji is extremely pop, but i love his productions. Rea Psy Heads would prob hate it, but i love it, honestly some of my all time favorite music :

    or

    Armin Van Buuren has even delved into the genre, with a very culturally diverse track:

    Psy is a very wide range of sounds and tempos / crosses over with many genres, heres an example of harder Psy, almost even hardstyle:

    as @dendy mentioned, kick and bass are essential for Psy. You want a punchy kick. Use transient shapers, make sure it has enough body to cut through the mix without being too flubby / subby. Bass needs to be sharp and short env. for the rest of it, lot of sweeping pads and automated / evolving FX, pitch modded drum zaps with ping pong delays. OTT (brams woot) on everything in moderation.

  • @dendy said:

    and then there is this madness called “hitek” :-)) … i would say you need really a lot of “substances” to be able dance and listen to this one 🤣

    Thanks for these links. They’re all great. The hitek one is my favorite.

  • @dendy said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic
    I'm pretty adept at challenging sound design, so I say "bring on the learning", lol. Thank you for this series mate. :) This will teach me a lot.

    looking forward what you create .. be prepared for for my criticism comments ;-)

    I'll need those constructive criticisms in order to grow as a producer! 😉 Oh geez this weekend is going to be super busy, so I hope to have time to fit in some learning and producing. 😮‍💨 I suspect Monday will be my best shot.

  • edited September 2023

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @dendy said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic
    I'm pretty adept at challenging sound design, so I say "bring on the learning", lol. Thank you for this series mate. :) This will teach me a lot.

    looking forward what you create .. be prepared for for my criticism comments ;-)

    I'll need those constructive criticisms in order to grow as a producer! 😉 Oh geez this weekend is going to be super busy, so I hope to have time to fit in some learning and producing. 😮‍💨 I suspect Monday will be my best shot.

    take it easy.. this is long run.. i would suggest befor you even start watching some tutorials, spend at least 10-20 hours with just listening.. in some way this music is VERY different from most of EDM, and that difference is not obvious at first listen .. You need to make deeper dive .. try even listen in dark room with just monitor shining those fractal animations which are usually a part of YT sets and try to get completely lost in that audio/visual mixture … (of couese just in case you have not fotosensitive epilepsy !!!)- visual part of repeating feactal patterns is here much more important than in other styles and helps to better understand what’s going on in this music…

    Can’t stress this enough - there is much more than meets the eye, it took me years to fully undeestand this music - but i am slow learner so maybe you will do it faster :-)

  • @dendy said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @dendy said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic
    I'm pretty adept at challenging sound design, so I say "bring on the learning", lol. Thank you for this series mate. :) This will teach me a lot.

    looking forward what you create .. be prepared for for my criticism comments ;-)

    I'll need those constructive criticisms in order to grow as a producer! 😉 Oh geez this weekend is going to be super busy, so I hope to have time to fit in some learning and producing. 😮‍💨 I suspect Monday will be my best shot.

    take it easy.. this is long run.. i would suggest befor you even start watching some tutorials, spend at least 10-20 hours with just listening.. in some way this music is VERY different from most of EDM, and that difference is not obvious at first listen .. You need to make deeper dive .. try even listen in dark room with just monitor shining those fractal animations and try to get completely lost in that audio/visual mixture … (of couese just in case you have not fotosensitive epilepsy, in that case it may be really dangerous)

    Of course mate. :) Listening first in a dark room sounds good. I think I won't watch with fractal animations given I want to study and dissect the sounds I'm listening to first and foremost. ^_^ Yes! :) This is gonna be good. I haven't been this excited to learn a new genre since Lofi back in mid-November last year. 😃

  • @dendy said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @dendy said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    I'm feeling better today. Sorry for being dramatic yesterday. I could've certainly been less dramatic about this whole thing to begin with.

    We all have our moments! As my mum likes to say 'all's well that ends well' 😉

    not sure with that, i am pretty confident we will die, one day …

    😂😂😂

    Ha! Jokes on you, I’m gonna live forever!

    Well, i would love too !! But i an afraid in my age (46) it will be late when longevity techniques will become comercially available (i guess 15-20 years from now)

    Not to derail Jim’s thread completely but I will just say who know? Maybe you’ll wake up to good news tomorrow morning 😂

  • @jwmmakerofmusic what @dendy said. theres more to psy trance than meets the eye. take a deep dive into the genre before approaching!

    also,, dendy, longevity techniques are here! take liposomal glutathione on an empty stomach, and thirty minutes later take some sort of binder (z-binder by ortho molecular is my favorite). NAC also helps. Talk to a dr before starting any new supplement, but yah its worth taking. Functional mushrooms are also great to help prevent pre mature aging in both body and mind.

  • edited September 2023

    Edit/ looks like I was OT lmao

    Glad your feeling better Jim

  • My advice: You can learn many techniques by making a certain genre of dance music. After that, don't try to make a genre, but instead start with a blank slate and let your jedi senses guide you. The techniques you learned comes in handy. You can start out with a certain BPM, scale progression, a sampled piece etc., instead of hunting a whole setup at once.

    I was listening to rare 70's music and picked up pieces that got me curious while listening and sampled stems out of it (The new Serato Sample 2) I threw all together and made a rough composition out of it. I started with no idea, and came to an end result that pleased me and an inspiration to do more.

  • edited September 2023

    Whenever I’ve tried to make a particular style of music in the past it always ended up sounding completely different by the end.

    If I want to make something ‘orchestral’ I just use the sound palette and just see where it takes me.

    I have literally no idea what genre any of my music even is!

    I don’t think I’m cut out to try and make music that fits a specific genre! I always fail! :lol:

  • @klownshed said:
    Whenever I’ve tried to make a particular style of music in the past it always ended up sounding completely different by the end.

    If I want to make something ‘orchestral’ I just use the sound palette and just see where it takes me.

    I have literally no idea what genre any of my music even is!

    I don’t think I’m cut out to try and make music that fits a specific genre! I always fail! :lol:

    I agree. Some people have a knack or knowledge for respecting a style. I just borrow the overall spirit and do my thing with the rest.

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