Logic Pro for ipad users flooding back to Cubasis all of a sudden? (Cmon CB 4!!!)

HotStrange

@wingwizard said:
Back on topic.

I hate cubasis. Had it for years, cannot stand it.

I love Logic Pro, instantly was everything I was looking for in a daw that’s been missing for so long.

I’d be interested to know why people dislike logic and even more so would prefer cubasis? I’ve seen a few comments like this. I mean I’m genuinely curious about and interested in difference in preferences,

I think when you like the gui, the ui then learning an app becomes a pleasure and easy to remember. I can’t look at cubasis etc

I also think a lot of down to musical style or preference or if you’re a musician or a producer. Not everyone but in general I found a lot of people really liking the look of cubasis or workflow of stuff like beatmaker to be into electronic dance EDM production side etc whereas for me one look at cubasis makes me feel like I do passing a nightclub. And that is not good.

Might be the other way round for logic. I write music with instruments (I mean all kinds of things but writing is not loop based) and just sinking into that logic timeline view where the things I need are to hand, effects, automation, the layout is so relaxing to me,

I doubt I’ve noticed pro features missing if they’re quite technical production stuff

I’ve been with Cubasis since its start on iOS, but have also used GarageBand and occasionally Logic throughout the years. When it came to iPad I jumped on it and spent most of my time with it for about 4 months or so. And I just could not gel with the UI or workflow at all. I prefer Cubasis’s tabbed categories on the sides compared to the Logics constant dragging up and down, side to side, button clicking to hide this menu, etc.

Maybe it’s just my ND brain but I could never get a handle on a decent workflow like I can with C3. Just feel at home and at ease there and much more inspired to create and finish tracks. Logic has a lot of positives. The stock instruments and effects are very good. But despite it having a few less features, C3 just works for me.

Also I spend most of my time in AUM, Drambo, Koala, Loopy Pro, and BAM (now). I generally just use a DAW to import stems and do some light mastering and only very occasionally make a song start to finish inside of one.

Also in general all of my AUs perform better than in logic. I had issues with a decent amount of them.

Lorichs

@wingwizard said:

@Lorichs said:

@wingwizard said:
Back on topic.

I hate cubasis. Had it for years, cannot stand it.

I love Logic Pro, instantly was everything I was looking for in a daw that’s been missing for so long.

I’d be interested to know why people dislike logic and even more so would prefer cubasis? I’ve seen a few comments like this. I mean I’m genuinely curious about and interested in difference in preferences,

I think when you like the gui, the ui then learning an app becomes a pleasure and easy to remember. I can’t look at cubasis etc

I also think a lot of down to musical style or preference or if you’re a musician or a producer. Not everyone but in general I found a lot of people really liking the look of cubasis or workflow of stuff like beatmaker to be into electronic dance EDM production side etc whereas for me one look at cubasis makes me feel like I do passing a nightclub. And that is not good.

Might be the other way round for logic. I write music with instruments (I mean all kinds of things but writing is not loop based) and just sinking into that logic timeline view where the things I need are to hand, effects, automation, the layout is so relaxing to me,

I doubt I’ve noticed pro features missing if they’re quite technical production stuff

I have not been diving to much into Logic. But the reason why i when straight back to cubasis was that recording AU parameters from AUv3’s don’t work with all apps in Logic. They do in Cubasis.
I don’t know why this is the case in an apple product when it doesn’t seem to be an issue in most other AUv3 hosts.
I think that @brambos reported this to apple as a bug on day one 😆🤘🏼

You mean recording automation for au’s like effects and stuff in logic? Sorry, just confirming for my own sake as I’m learning still. I have done a fair bit of that in logic but maybe I was just lucky nit to have run into an au in which it doesn’t work.

Yes that was what i ment. But i must admit that i haven’t tried since the latest logic update. Maybe it has been fixed.

But it worked in Bram Bos apps because he fixed it and in pure acid. Not i spacecraft… ine of my favorites

Jumpercollins

Maybe due soon then.

A_Fox

Cubasis 3 had such a rocky/buggy start… I will certainly wait before upgrading. I can’t grumble that much for the price it was, but with a few IAPs, it cost more than its “list price”, i’m not keen on spending similar again for a buggy experience.
I find Its less tedious than Logic in use though, but Logics got a lot going for it, i think its inbuilt effects and sounds and synths etc are far better than C3, but in practice… im not sure it matters for Acid house when i got. Lot of auv3.

jwmmakerofmusic

I did like LP4i, but with the bugs and the fact it can't run on iPhone, it's Cubasis 3 for me. Hopefully CB4 won't be subscription, or will have the hybrid subscription/one-time payment options so people can choose which to go with.

FastGhost

They'd have to pay me to come back.

Telstar5

@dreamcartel : Thanks for clarifying

Lorichs

@wingwizard

Now i tested automation recording from AUv3.

WORKS
Ruismaker noir
Pure acid
Moog model D
Hilda
Lowtones
Tal-u-no-lx

DONT WORK
Hammerhead
Monoke
Spacecraft
Viking synth
SampleWiz2
Retro piano
Synthmaster one
Sunrizer

I know that this is old news, but this needs to be fixed before i wanna dive more into Logic.

michael_m

@FastGhost said:
They'd have to pay me to come back.

Suggest a subscription payment to them, then they will pay you more than once.

wim

It would be nice if this thread could be moved to the Logic Pro category, IMO.
Sorry to bug ya' @thesoundtestroom - if you agree. If not (since it deals with Cubasis too) that's cool.

wingwizard

@Lorichs said:
@wingwizard

Now i tested automation recording from AUv3.

WORKS
Ruismaker noir
Pure acid
Moog model D
Hilda
Lowtones
Tal-u-no-lx

DONT WORK
Hammerhead
Monoke
Spacecraft
Viking synth
SampleWiz2
Retro piano
Synthmaster one
Sunrizer

I know that this is old news, but this needs to be fixed before i wanna dive more into Logic.

Can you draw the envelopes? I thought that was what you meant but now I’m thinking recording on the fly changes/automation (my ignorance)

Not that it’s great either way just curious. I should test this myself as perhaps that was a stupid question. I mean just thinking does that mean if you change parameters say a drive knob during recording nothing changes? I, confusing myself now. Production knowledge isn’t my strong point

• i just tried Mononoke. Yeah that’s awful I won’t ever use cubasis due to workflow and ui but I hope apple fix this as it’s pretty broken. I’m quite stupid I thought the envelope drawing didn’t work but it does for cut off at least in mononoke, so I’m guessing it’s the changing of the knob during recording that doesn’t work.

I know this is a thic, quetsion but how come when you go to record automation it doesn’t record over for example your melody or part with nothing as you aren’t playimg anything? Is this depending on whether yiu have switched into automation mode or from read to touch/latch?

HotStrange

@A_Fox said:
Cubasis 3 had such a rocky/buggy start… I will certainly wait before upgrading. I can’t grumble that much for the price it was, but with a few IAPs, it cost more than its “list price”, i’m not keen on spending similar again for a buggy experience.
I find Its less tedious than Logic in use though, but Logics got a lot going for it, i think its inbuilt effects and sounds and synths etc are far better than C3, but in practice… im not sure it matters for Acid house when i got. Lot of auv3.

I’m hoping they’ve learned from their mistakes and Cubasis 4 will have a much smoother launch.

Logic does have some GREAT stock synths and effects. But I actually slightly prefer the C3 IAP for mastering. That could also be because I’m just used to it and partial to it now. Also I use my own AUv3s half the time as well.

On the instruments and synths side, absolutely nothing can touch Logic right now. NS2 is probably the closest but even then it doesn’t have the sheer options Logic does.

Wyvern

@HotStrange said:

@A_Fox said:
Cubasis 3 had such a rocky/buggy start… I will certainly wait before upgrading. I can’t grumble that much for the price it was, but with a few IAPs, it cost more than its “list price”, i’m not keen on spending similar again for a buggy experience.
I find Its less tedious than Logic in use though, but Logics got a lot going for it, i think its inbuilt effects and sounds and synths etc are far better than C3, but in practice… im not sure it matters for Acid house when i got. Lot of auv3.

I’m hoping they’ve learned from their mistakes and Cubasis 4 will have a much smoother launch.

Logic does have some GREAT stock synths and effects. But I actually slightly prefer the C3 IAP for mastering. That could also be because I’m just used to it and partial to it now. Also I use my own AUv3s half the time as well.

On the instruments and synths side, absolutely nothing can touch Logic right now. NS2 is probably the closest but even then it doesn’t have the sheer options Logic does.

I'm of the opinion that if Matt Borstel ever came back on the scene and did NS3 with the requests people have made in recent years, it would blow most DAWs out of the water. 5 years or so since release and still many people use it and like it.

reezygle

Drambo Drambo Drambo Drambo Drambo Drambo…is a gem.

Just being silly but seriously, Drambo. 😄

AudioGus

Rant deleted!

HotStrange

@Wyvern said:

@HotStrange said:

@A_Fox said:
Cubasis 3 had such a rocky/buggy start… I will certainly wait before upgrading. I can’t grumble that much for the price it was, but with a few IAPs, it cost more than its “list price”, i’m not keen on spending similar again for a buggy experience.
I find Its less tedious than Logic in use though, but Logics got a lot going for it, i think its inbuilt effects and sounds and synths etc are far better than C3, but in practice… im not sure it matters for Acid house when i got. Lot of auv3.

I’m hoping they’ve learned from their mistakes and Cubasis 4 will have a much smoother launch.

Logic does have some GREAT stock synths and effects. But I actually slightly prefer the C3 IAP for mastering. That could also be because I’m just used to it and partial to it now. Also I use my own AUv3s half the time as well.

On the instruments and synths side, absolutely nothing can touch Logic right now. NS2 is probably the closest but even then it doesn’t have the sheer options Logic does.

I'm of the opinion that if Matt Borstel ever came back on the scene and did NS3 with the requests people have made in recent years, it would blow most DAWs out of the water. 5 years or so since release and still many people use it and like it.

For sure. Hell if he updated NS2 with audio tracks and mix busses (unless it already has that), I’d buy it right now. Audio tracks are just too important for me.

I’ve never tried it but the built in synths, drums, and sampler seem verrrry powerful.

espiegel123

@Lorichs said:
@wingwizard

Now i tested automation recording from AUv3.

WORKS
Ruismaker noir
Pure acid
Moog model D
Hilda
Lowtones
Tal-u-no-lx

DONT WORK
Hammerhead
Monoke
Spacecraft
Viking synth
SampleWiz2
Retro piano
Synthmaster one
Sunrizer

I know that this is old news, but this needs to be fixed before i wanna dive more into Logic.

My understanding is that from Apple’s point of view the issue is in the AUs. I believe that Logic, like Auria, wants the AU to report the u.i. touches in addition to the parameter values…there are legit reasons for this (one of which relates to overdubbing when there is already recorded automation) though some plugin developers disagree with the reasoning.

Lorichs

@espiegel123 said:

@Lorichs said:
@wingwizard

Now i tested automation recording from AUv3.

WORKS
Ruismaker noir
Pure acid
Moog model D
Hilda
Lowtones
Tal-u-no-lx

DONT WORK
Hammerhead
Monoke
Spacecraft
Viking synth
SampleWiz2
Retro piano
Synthmaster one
Sunrizer

I know that this is old news, but this needs to be fixed before i wanna dive more into Logic.

My understanding is that from Apple’s point of view the issue is in the AUs. I believe that Logic, like Auria, wants the AU to report the u.i. touches in addition to the parameter values…there are legit reasons for this (one of which relates to overdubbing when there is already recorded automation) though some plugin developers disagree with the reasoning.

Well I suspected that it would something like that.
In any case that means that we have A LOT of AUv3 plugins from some very solid developers that may never work to there full potential in logic while they do in CB3
This workflow may not be important to some people but it id important to me. So for now i’ll stick to CB3, cancel my logic subscription and see what CB4 will bring.

ecou

Do we have any credible info that CB4 is in the work ?

They would have to seriously step up their game to release a CB4.

wingwizard

@HotStrange said:

@Wyvern said:

@HotStrange said:

@A_Fox said:
Cubasis 3 had such a rocky/buggy start… I will certainly wait before upgrading. I can’t grumble that much for the price it was, but with a few IAPs, it cost more than its “list price”, i’m not keen on spending similar again for a buggy experience.
I find Its less tedious than Logic in use though, but Logics got a lot going for it, i think its inbuilt effects and sounds and synths etc are far better than C3, but in practice… im not sure it matters for Acid house when i got. Lot of auv3.

I’m hoping they’ve learned from their mistakes and Cubasis 4 will have a much smoother launch.

Logic does have some GREAT stock synths and effects. But I actually slightly prefer the C3 IAP for mastering. That could also be because I’m just used to it and partial to it now. Also I use my own AUv3s half the time as well.

On the instruments and synths side, absolutely nothing can touch Logic right now. NS2 is probably the closest but even then it doesn’t have the sheer options Logic does.

I'm of the opinion that if Matt Borstel ever came back on the scene and did NS3 with the requests people have made in recent years, it would blow most DAWs out of the water. 5 years or so since release and still many people use it and like it.

For sure. Hell if he updated NS2 with audio tracks and mix busses (unless it already has that), I’d buy it right now. Audio tracks are just too important for me.

I’ve never tried it but the built in synths, drums, and sampler seem verrrry powerful.

It is funny how different people’s backgrounds and things can be in music. The concept of ‘no audio’ in a music app was something that was just.. uh.. whattt.. to me when I first came in this forum, like some peopel, probably most here find the omission of certain things in a daw, maybe on teh production side to be unthinkable, yet nit having bloody audio is something they’ll regard as a minor tweak needed at some point. Still, honestly, blows my mind. It’s like, to me, someone selling me a car with no wheels, or windows, or seats, and me saying nice, checking out the tape deck. I don’t know anything about cars. I wish I’d used another analogy. And yes I said tape deck.

Luxthor

@wingwizard said:

@HotStrange said:

@Wyvern said:

@HotStrange said:

@A_Fox said:
Cubasis 3 had such a rocky/buggy start… I will certainly wait before upgrading. I can’t grumble that much for the price it was, but with a few IAPs, it cost more than its “list price”, i’m not keen on spending similar again for a buggy experience.
I find Its less tedious than Logic in use though, but Logics got a lot going for it, i think its inbuilt effects and sounds and synths etc are far better than C3, but in practice… im not sure it matters for Acid house when i got. Lot of auv3.

I’m hoping they’ve learned from their mistakes and Cubasis 4 will have a much smoother launch.

Logic does have some GREAT stock synths and effects. But I actually slightly prefer the C3 IAP for mastering. That could also be because I’m just used to it and partial to it now. Also I use my own AUv3s half the time as well.

On the instruments and synths side, absolutely nothing can touch Logic right now. NS2 is probably the closest but even then it doesn’t have the sheer options Logic does.

I'm of the opinion that if Matt Borstel ever came back on the scene and did NS3 with the requests people have made in recent years, it would blow most DAWs out of the water. 5 years or so since release and still many people use it and like it.

For sure. Hell if he updated NS2 with audio tracks and mix busses (unless it already has that), I’d buy it right now. Audio tracks are just too important for me.

I’ve never tried it but the built in synths, drums, and sampler seem verrrry powerful.

It is funny how different people’s backgrounds and things can be in music. The concept of ‘no audio’ in a music app was something that was just.. uh.. whattt.. to me when I first came in this forum, like some peopel, probably most here find the omission of certain things in a daw, maybe on teh production side to be unthinkable, yet nit having bloody audio is something they’ll regard as a minor tweak needed at some point. Still, honestly, blows my mind. It’s like, to me, someone selling me a car with no wheels, or windows, or seats, and me saying nice, checking out the tape deck. I don’t know anything about cars. I wish I’d used another analogy. And yes I said tape deck.

NS2 is a perfectly designed iOS DAW, it's a sports car without any shortcomings. This sports car is not designed for picking up construction materials.

Mini Cooper is not designed to have a comfy armchair on top of it?!

wingwizard

@Luxthor said:

@wingwizard said:

@HotStrange said:

@Wyvern said:

@HotStrange said:

@A_Fox said:
Cubasis 3 had such a rocky/buggy start… I will certainly wait before upgrading. I can’t grumble that much for the price it was, but with a few IAPs, it cost more than its “list price”, i’m not keen on spending similar again for a buggy experience.
I find Its less tedious than Logic in use though, but Logics got a lot going for it, i think its inbuilt effects and sounds and synths etc are far better than C3, but in practice… im not sure it matters for Acid house when i got. Lot of auv3.

I’m hoping they’ve learned from their mistakes and Cubasis 4 will have a much smoother launch.

Logic does have some GREAT stock synths and effects. But I actually slightly prefer the C3 IAP for mastering. That could also be because I’m just used to it and partial to it now. Also I use my own AUv3s half the time as well.

On the instruments and synths side, absolutely nothing can touch Logic right now. NS2 is probably the closest but even then it doesn’t have the sheer options Logic does.

I'm of the opinion that if Matt Borstel ever came back on the scene and did NS3 with the requests people have made in recent years, it would blow most DAWs out of the water. 5 years or so since release and still many people use it and like it.

For sure. Hell if he updated NS2 with audio tracks and mix busses (unless it already has that), I’d buy it right now. Audio tracks are just too important for me.

I’ve never tried it but the built in synths, drums, and sampler seem verrrry powerful.

It is funny how different people’s backgrounds and things can be in music. The concept of ‘no audio’ in a music app was something that was just.. uh.. whattt.. to me when I first came in this forum, like some peopel, probably most here find the omission of certain things in a daw, maybe on teh production side to be unthinkable, yet nit having bloody audio is something they’ll regard as a minor tweak needed at some point. Still, honestly, blows my mind. It’s like, to me, someone selling me a car with no wheels, or windows, or seats, and me saying nice, checking out the tape deck. I don’t know anything about cars. I wish I’d used another analogy. And yes I said tape deck.

NS2 is a perfectly designed iOS DAW, it's a sports car without any shortcomings. This sports car is not designed for picking up construction materials.

Mini Cooper is not designed to have a comfy armchair on top of it?!

My materials are gold and silver. They wouldn’t be seen dead in your chav wagon,

dreamcartel

@reezygle said:
Drambo Drambo Drambo Drambo Drambo Drambo…is a gem.

Just being silly but seriously, Drambo. 😄

+1
(I get it)

AudioGus

@wingwizard said:

@HotStrange said:

@Wyvern said:

@HotStrange said:

@A_Fox said:
Cubasis 3 had such a rocky/buggy start… I will certainly wait before upgrading. I can’t grumble that much for the price it was, but with a few IAPs, it cost more than its “list price”, i’m not keen on spending similar again for a buggy experience.
I find Its less tedious than Logic in use though, but Logics got a lot going for it, i think its inbuilt effects and sounds and synths etc are far better than C3, but in practice… im not sure it matters for Acid house when i got. Lot of auv3.

I’m hoping they’ve learned from their mistakes and Cubasis 4 will have a much smoother launch.

Logic does have some GREAT stock synths and effects. But I actually slightly prefer the C3 IAP for mastering. That could also be because I’m just used to it and partial to it now. Also I use my own AUv3s half the time as well.

On the instruments and synths side, absolutely nothing can touch Logic right now. NS2 is probably the closest but even then it doesn’t have the sheer options Logic does.

I'm of the opinion that if Matt Borstel ever came back on the scene and did NS3 with the requests people have made in recent years, it would blow most DAWs out of the water. 5 years or so since release and still many people use it and like it.

For sure. Hell if he updated NS2 with audio tracks and mix busses (unless it already has that), I’d buy it right now. Audio tracks are just too important for me.

I’ve never tried it but the built in synths, drums, and sampler seem verrrry powerful.

It is funny how different people’s backgrounds and things can be in music. The concept of ‘no audio’ in a music app was something that was just.. uh.. whattt.. to me when I first came in this forum, like some peopel, probably most here find the omission of certain things in a daw, maybe on teh production side to be unthinkable, yet nit having bloody audio is something they’ll regard as a minor tweak needed at some point. Still, honestly, blows my mind. It’s like, to me, someone selling me a car with no wheels, or windows, or seats, and me saying nice, checking out the tape deck. I don’t know anything about cars. I wish I’d used another analogy. And yes I said tape deck.

The dev said it wasn't a daw; or at least never said it was a daw.

stormywaterz

What’s the difference money wise in paying for a subscription versus paying for a new app that is rewritten that comes out every other year plus iap’s to help sell it and get a couple new features and a new design and the trouble to move files over.

Y’all still have wishes about cb3 but waiting for Cb4 that comes out 2023 then cb5 maybe 2025ish and then oh yeah cb6 will be the upgrade I need. it keeps going. It’s almost like paying for a subscription. Right?

michael_m

@stormywaterz said:
What’s the difference money wise in paying for a subscription versus paying for a new app that is rewritten that comes out every other year plus iap’s to help sell it and get a couple new features and a new design and the trouble to move files over.

Not really. With a one time payment you get to decide when and if you want to pay. You can also keep something for a long time without having to invest money into it.

In particular with Logic, it was a one time purchase on Mac, so it’s annoying that the same opinion isn’t available on iOS. I like to decide when money comes out of my bank account and don’t like to hand that choice over to the person I’m buying from.

Luxthor

@wingwizard said:
My materials are gold and silver. They wouldn’t be seen dead in your chav wagon,

Are we still using cars as an analogy for music-making tools? I must admit, I didn’t get gold, silver, or chav thing. 😂 Just try to search a forum for NS2 works or YouTube. Those musicians are doing fantastic things. They are pretty much happy with this app. I’m certainly not one of them. I just learned over time to respect different ways of making music. 🤗

wingwizard

@Luxthor said:

@wingwizard said:
My materials are gold and silver. They wouldn’t be seen dead in your chav wagon,

Are we still using cars as an analogy for music-making tools? I must admit, I didn’t get gold, silver, or chav thing. 😂 Just try to search a forum for NS2 works or YouTube. Those musicians are doing fantastic things. They are pretty much happy with this app. I’m certainly not one of them. I just learned over time to respect different ways of making music. 🤗

I’m aware of different ways of making music certainly and even respect some of them 😂. I was just saying that it was a very strange conceot to me, from my perspective, to find a lack of audio tracks not to be a huge deal, and I’ve noticed the same in reverse with things I’m not fussed about.

I agree, people make all kinds of incredible things in all kinds of ways.

HotStrange

@wingwizard said:

@HotStrange said:

@Wyvern said:

@HotStrange said:

@A_Fox said:
Cubasis 3 had such a rocky/buggy start… I will certainly wait before upgrading. I can’t grumble that much for the price it was, but with a few IAPs, it cost more than its “list price”, i’m not keen on spending similar again for a buggy experience.
I find Its less tedious than Logic in use though, but Logics got a lot going for it, i think its inbuilt effects and sounds and synths etc are far better than C3, but in practice… im not sure it matters for Acid house when i got. Lot of auv3.

I’m hoping they’ve learned from their mistakes and Cubasis 4 will have a much smoother launch.

Logic does have some GREAT stock synths and effects. But I actually slightly prefer the C3 IAP for mastering. That could also be because I’m just used to it and partial to it now. Also I use my own AUv3s half the time as well.

On the instruments and synths side, absolutely nothing can touch Logic right now. NS2 is probably the closest but even then it doesn’t have the sheer options Logic does.

I'm of the opinion that if Matt Borstel ever came back on the scene and did NS3 with the requests people have made in recent years, it would blow most DAWs out of the water. 5 years or so since release and still many people use it and like it.

For sure. Hell if he updated NS2 with audio tracks and mix busses (unless it already has that), I’d buy it right now. Audio tracks are just too important for me.

I’ve never tried it but the built in synths, drums, and sampler seem verrrry powerful.

It is funny how different people’s backgrounds and things can be in music. The concept of ‘no audio’ in a music app was something that was just.. uh.. whattt.. to me when I first came in this forum, like some peopel, probably most here find the omission of certain things in a daw, maybe on teh production side to be unthinkable, yet nit having bloody audio is something they’ll regard as a minor tweak needed at some point. Still, honestly, blows my mind. It’s like, to me, someone selling me a car with no wheels, or windows, or seats, and me saying nice, checking out the tape deck. I don’t know anything about cars. I wish I’d used another analogy. And yes I said tape deck.

I agree. I make a lot of my music by playing live and it’s more experimental and noise based so having audio tracks in pretty important for me personally.

I think Nanostudio was originally intended as a standalone all-in-one mega groovebox type thing but had DAW like features added. Like Drambo. So I guess that’s the reason for not having audio tracks. But it got so close to being a full DAW that eventually people started wondering why that wasn’t included. It’s a nonstarter for me but I know a lot of people really love that as a DAW. So far on iOS nothing has touched Cubasis for my workflow.

wim

I remember the puzzlement from the NS2 beta testing team over no audio tracks being such a big deal when the app was released. One of the core people who I respect tremendously literally had to ask what in the heck was wrong with just recording and triggering audio in Slate (NS2 drum sampler) or Obsidian (NS2 main synth). I was flummoxed that anyone would even have to ask. I don't feel like I ever did explain it well to them. Just a different mindset, but one that I personally find bewildering.

That beta effort was many years in the making. It was a highly insular team. It's unfortunate that it resulted in such a wide miss in terms of the broader market. NS2 is great in so many ways but missing just a few things that many people find essential.

(Ugh. Here I am commenting in a Logic Pro thread. I don't know why it bugs me so much that people don't keep Logic threads in the Logic Pro category so I ignore them. 😂)