Logic Pro for ipad users flooding back to Cubasis all of a sudden? (Cmon CB 4!!!)

brambos

@tja said:

@tja said:

@brambos said:

@wim said:
I remember the puzzlement from the NS2 beta testing team over no audio tracks being such a big deal when the app was released. One of the core people who I respect tremendously literally had to ask what in the heck was wrong with just recording and triggering audio in Slate (NS2 drum sampler) or Obsidian (NS2 main synth). I was flummoxed that anyone would even have to ask. I don't feel like I ever did explain it well to them. Just a different mindset, but one that I personally find bewildering.

In their defense, I grew up with sequencers without/before audio (Cakewalk Pro, only MIDI) and learned to make music using MIDI and samplers that could only hold a few seconds of audio.

To this day I never use audio tracks, and a sampler with more than 30 seconds of sample time feels like a luxury. It's just not something that has made it onto my needs and wants list because it is another music making paradigm.

I literally wouldn't know what to do with audio tracks*

(* so stop asking me to make a DAW )

Very interesting post.

How do you separate instruments and voices and so on for arrangement then, without tracks?

I really cannot imagine how to do this.

I mean, you need to be able play certain parts together or in sequence to create music ...

Anybody can help with this?

How to create music, without audio tracks?

I mean, I imagine something like AUM, where you created lots of audio pieces - and then, how can you arrange them to create a song? With all those song phases, partly repetitions and so on.

Cannot wrap my head around this...

I think 90% of all electronic music you hear is made (or can easily be made) without audio tracks.

I just stick with synths and samplers (using - at most - a one or two bar loop) and never use recorded audio.

richardyot

@tja said:

@tja said:

@brambos said:

@wim said:
I remember the puzzlement from the NS2 beta testing team over no audio tracks being such a big deal when the app was released. One of the core people who I respect tremendously literally had to ask what in the heck was wrong with just recording and triggering audio in Slate (NS2 drum sampler) or Obsidian (NS2 main synth). I was flummoxed that anyone would even have to ask. I don't feel like I ever did explain it well to them. Just a different mindset, but one that I personally find bewildering.

In their defense, I grew up with sequencers without/before audio (Cakewalk Pro, only MIDI) and learned to make music using MIDI and samplers that could only hold a few seconds of audio.

To this day I never use audio tracks, and a sampler with more than 30 seconds of sample time feels like a luxury. It's just not something that has made it onto my needs and wants list because it is another music making paradigm.

I literally wouldn't know what to do with audio tracks*

(* so stop asking me to make a DAW )

Very interesting post.

How do you separate instruments and voices and so on for arrangement then, without tracks?

I really cannot imagine how to do this.

I mean, you need to be able play certain parts together or in sequence to create music ...

Anybody can help with this?

How to create music, without audio tracks?

I mean, I imagine something like AUM, where you created lots of audio pieces - and then, how can you arrange them to create a song? With all those song phases, partly repetitions and so on.

Cannot wrap my head around this...

As Bram says, this is for types of music where everything is MIDI-sequenced. Synths, samplers, drum machines - no acoustic instruments or vocals (other than samples).

tahiche

@MrSmileZ said:
As I hope they make more useful packs for people producing other genres. It is a bit loaded to electronic stuff.
I appreciate your reply. I like all types of music, but my absolute love is 70S rock.

I agree. The sound packs are totally biased towards electronic music. Which imo doesn’t make too much sense as you have a plethora of apps capable of producing electronic sounds, whereas you mostly need sample libraries to get “acoustic” tracks.

MrSmileZ

@HolyMoses said:

@MrSmileZ said:

@fisherro said:

@MrSmileZ said:

It’s been a year and there’s been 1 minor update addressing 1 issue.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213554

I can certainly understand if none of those updates are important to you, but that still seems like a gross mischaracterization.

I forgot the big update with master assistant, sheesh! You are correct! Derrrrrrrr…sorry

With this comment we should hesitate to believe that you are an serious user of Logic Pro for iPad…

Under the hood a lot of things happened in last update, and there have also been several free soundspacks released since the end of may last year.

Pretty sure we will see an impressive update on Logic Pro for iPad in mid may - an supergreat DAW will become a heavenly amazing DAW after this update…

So, hold on mates!

I never asked you to believe anything, I just havent used Logic Pro lately on the ipad, instead I used it on the Daw. Wild how people can bash an appology. And we are pretty sure those mushrooms arent poisonous…pretty sure smh! Oh the same soundpacks as for FREE garageband eh? You are killing me over here. You are comedy.

HolyMoses

@MrSmileZ said:

@HolyMoses said:

@MrSmileZ said:

@fisherro said:

@MrSmileZ said:

It’s been a year and there’s been 1 minor update addressing 1 issue.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213554

I can certainly understand if none of those updates are important to you, but that still seems like a gross mischaracterization.

I forgot the big update with master assistant, sheesh! You are correct! Derrrrrrrr…sorry

With this comment we should hesitate to believe that you are an serious user of Logic Pro for iPad…

Under the hood a lot of things happened in last update, and there have also been several free soundspacks released since the end of may last year.

Pretty sure we will see an impressive update on Logic Pro for iPad in mid may - an supergreat DAW will become a heavenly amazing DAW after this update…

So, hold on mates!

I never asked you to believe anything, I just havent used Logic Pro lately on the ipad, instead I used it on the Daw. Wild how people can bash an appology. And we are pretty sure those mushrooms arent poisonous…pretty sure smh! Oh the same soundpacks as for FREE garageband eh? You are killing me over here. You are comedy.

Better be a comedian than a full blown asshole…

Luxthor

@tja said:

@tja said:

@brambos said:

@wim said:
I remember the puzzlement from the NS2 beta testing team over no audio tracks being such a big deal when the app was released. One of the core people who I respect tremendously literally had to ask what in the heck was wrong with just recording and triggering audio in Slate (NS2 drum sampler) or Obsidian (NS2 main synth). I was flummoxed that anyone would even have to ask. I don't feel like I ever did explain it well to them. Just a different mindset, but one that I personally find bewildering.

In their defense, I grew up with sequencers without/before audio (Cakewalk Pro, only MIDI) and learned to make music using MIDI and samplers that could only hold a few seconds of audio.

To this day I never use audio tracks, and a sampler with more than 30 seconds of sample time feels like a luxury. It's just not something that has made it onto my needs and wants list because it is another music making paradigm.

I literally wouldn't know what to do with audio tracks*

(* so stop asking me to make a DAW )

Very interesting post.

How do you separate instruments and voices and so on for arrangement then, without tracks?

I really cannot imagine how to do this.

I mean, you need to be able play certain parts together or in sequence to create music ...

Anybody can help with this?

How to create music, without audio tracks?

I mean, I imagine something like AUM, where you created lots of audio pieces - and then, how can you arrange them to create a song? With all those song phases, partly repetitions and so on.

Cannot wrap my head around this...

AUM is the heart of the DAW-less system, you choose your own sequencers and samplers, so you can sequence sequencers, generate different MIDI tracks every time you hit play, or change them conditionally from other sources. 

You can change the entire composition structure in a few clicks, or you can make a script to do this.

All of this is impossible with linear pro-tools-like old-school DAWs. (at least most of them).

Ah, yes, and it does not have to be a genre-specific work.

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Luxthor

@tja said:

@Luxthor said:

@tja said:

@tja said:

@brambos said:

@wim said:
I remember the puzzlement from the NS2 beta testing team over no audio tracks being such a big deal when the app was released. One of the core people who I respect tremendously literally had to ask what in the heck was wrong with just recording and triggering audio in Slate (NS2 drum sampler) or Obsidian (NS2 main synth). I was flummoxed that anyone would even have to ask. I don't feel like I ever did explain it well to them. Just a different mindset, but one that I personally find bewildering.

In their defense, I grew up with sequencers without/before audio (Cakewalk Pro, only MIDI) and learned to make music using MIDI and samplers that could only hold a few seconds of audio.

To this day I never use audio tracks, and a sampler with more than 30 seconds of sample time feels like a luxury. It's just not something that has made it onto my needs and wants list because it is another music making paradigm.

I literally wouldn't know what to do with audio tracks*

(* so stop asking me to make a DAW )

Very interesting post.

How do you separate instruments and voices and so on for arrangement then, without tracks?

I really cannot imagine how to do this.

I mean, you need to be able play certain parts together or in sequence to create music ...

Anybody can help with this?

How to create music, without audio tracks?

I mean, I imagine something like AUM, where you created lots of audio pieces - and then, how can you arrange them to create a song? With all those song phases, partly repetitions and so on.

Cannot wrap my head around this...

AUM is the heart of the DAW-less system, you choose your own sequencers and samplers, so you can sequence sequencers, generate different MIDI tracks every time you hit play, or change them conditionally from other sources. 

You can change the entire composition structure in a few clicks, or you can make a script to do this.

All of this is impossible with linear pro-tools-like old-school DAWs. (at least most of them).

Ah, yes, and it does not have to be a genre-specific work.

I use AUM quite often, but I use it to create audio files - which I then arrange on audio tracks 😅

Or, which I prefer, I completely stay in MIDI (Xequence 2) and do the arrangement there!
But still, I cannot generate a whole song in this way, but also need audio tracks.

Also, I use audio tracks for mixing and mastering the resulting audio - or would, if I ever produce anything usable (I'm more a tools-type, not a creator)

Thanks!

I’m in the same boots as you are, but to the extent that I can’t make a single project without AUM's involvement any more.

But for the final stage, I still need a plain old linear DAW. It’s the best solution to control audio signals, sample by sample.

MrSmileZ

@HolyMoses said:

@MrSmileZ said:

@HolyMoses said:

@MrSmileZ said:

@fisherro said:

@MrSmileZ said:

It’s been a year and there’s been 1 minor update addressing 1 issue.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213554

I can certainly understand if none of those updates are important to you, but that still seems like a gross mischaracterization.

I forgot the big update with master assistant, sheesh! You are correct! Derrrrrrrr…sorry

With this comment we should hesitate to believe that you are an serious user of Logic Pro for iPad…

Under the hood a lot of things happened in last update, and there have also been several free soundspacks released since the end of may last year.

Pretty sure we will see an impressive update on Logic Pro for iPad in mid may - an supergreat DAW will become a heavenly amazing DAW after this update…

So, hold on mates!

I never asked you to believe anything, I just havent used Logic Pro lately on the ipad, instead I used it on the Daw. Wild how people can bash an appology. And we are pretty sure those mushrooms arent poisonous…pretty sure smh! Oh the same soundpacks as for FREE garageband eh? You are killing me over here. You are comedy.

Better be a comedian than a full blown asshole…

I’ll be that
It puts the sh*t out

alexwasashrimp

@tja said:
Anybody can help with this?

How to create music, without audio tracks?

I mean, I imagine something like AUM, where you created lots of audio pieces - and then, how can you arrange them to create a song? With all those song phases, partly repetitions and so on.

Cannot wrap my head around this...

Well, think of it not as a DAW, but as a groovebox. You can't have audio tracks on something like Roland MC-707 or Novation Circuit Tracks. I think the problem with NS2 is that it looks like a DAW, while it's not. Drambo doesn't have audio tracks either, but no one bats an eye, because no one expects it to have them.
That said, I'd love to have native audio track handling in Drambo (as opposed to loading something in a flexi sampler), it would be very helpful for my struggling A12Z if I could seamlessly "freeze" a pattern to audio.
And I'm not going to buy NS2 exactly because Drambo already covers what I could have done there.

I'm pretty happy with Drambo as a groovebox and Cubasis 3 as a traditional DAW. I still haven't checked out Logic, as it's a pain in the ass when used with hardware (I'd have to run Audiobus in background just to convert regular MIDI clock to Ableton Link, because Apple has refused to implement listening to MIDI clock for decades, even in desktop Logic). I'm interested in the mastering assistant though. Wish it was added to GB, then I'd probably have zero reasons to try Logic. Especially given my experience with it on the desktop.

Lorichs

Some update is in the works.

I had an issue in logic for ipad that i reported to apple and they replied to me to get more information (the chrash-log file and the project file that caused the issue). Unfortunaly the chrash-log was not to be found and i had deleted the project that caused the issue.

So if anyone here has a simmilar issue it is a good idear to report it to apple since they are working to fix it.
As mentioned they need the project file and the chrash-log

Here is the issue.
I’m experiencing a freeze when using logic’s quick sampler.
When i recover the project my samples are replaced by a sine wave ( in different pitch).

I have created a patch in Drambo and i trigger it in a midi region and drag’n drop it to a Drum Machine Designer drumpad.
The freeze happens when i trigger the samples from logic’s drumpads. I have not have any issues while bouncing from midi to audio.
Non of the samples ( quicksamplers) have any added fx at all.

I hope that it is ok to post this on this thread since there has been some talk about sampler issues and lack of updates. If it is OT I apologize in advance.

HolyMoses

@alexwasashrimp said:

@tja said:
Anybody can help with this?

How to create music, without audio tracks?

I mean, I imagine something like AUM, where you created lots of audio pieces - and then, how can you arrange them to create a song? With all those song phases, partly repetitions and so on.

Cannot wrap my head around this...

Well, think of it not as a DAW, but as a groovebox. You can't have audio tracks on something like Roland MC-707 or Novation Circuit Tracks. I think the problem with NS2 is that it looks like a DAW, while it's not. Drambo doesn't have audio tracks either, but no one bats an eye, because no one expects it to have them.
That said, I'd love to have native audio track handling in Drambo (as opposed to loading something in a flexi sampler), it would be very helpful for my struggling A12Z if I could seamlessly "freeze" a pattern to audio.
And I'm not going to buy NS2 exactly because Drambo already covers what I could have done there.

I'm pretty happy with Drambo as a groovebox and Cubasis 3 as a traditional DAW. I still haven't checked out Logic, as it's a pain in the ass when used with hardware (I'd have to run Audiobus in background just to convert regular MIDI clock to Ableton Link, because Apple has refused to implement listening to MIDI clock for decades, even in desktop Logic). I'm interested in the mastering assistant though. Wish it was added to GB, then I'd probably have zero reasons to try Logic. Especially given my experience with it on the desktop.

You seems like a positive guy.

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Cambler

Enjoying the discussion here, apart from the few gnarly moment As always it's about each unique use case. My own current use case is using the iPad to sketch out compositions to as full a state as I am able then finish in Logic on desktop. All things being equal, I prefer doing this in Logic for iPad however Cubasis does a good enough job. This then brings in the questions of value and the subscription issue. If Logic was ble to be purchased outright it'd be a no brainer for me. Or perhaps if we'd seen better support and more active development (updates)

I would like to get into the habit of fully finishing some tracks on iPad but I seem to have some smallist issue when I get to anything past sketching on the small screen and feel the need for the larger workspace to do this. I had hope when eternal monitor support came to iPad but alas it's near useless for most apps. I had hoped that Logic for iPad would bring proper multi screen support (separating windows) but no. Anyone else hold out hope we will see this?

wim

@Cambler said:
I had hope when eternal monitor support came to iPad ...

Eternal monitor. That's where God Himself can see what you see on your iPad and help you out with stuff?
Damn. That beats the heck out of Vision Pro. This could be a game changer.

HolyMoses

Perhaps time to change the name of this thread?

It has passed nine month now, and, no sign of a Cubasis v4 on the horizon…

Also, have we seen this flooding in real life??

Pretty sure that Logic Pro for iPads big update in may will come before any update on Cubasis…

Cambler

@wim said:

@Cambler said:
I had hope when eternal monitor support came to iPad ...

Eternal monitor. That's where God Himself can see what you see on your iPad and help you out with stuff?
Damn. That beats the heck out of Vision Pro. This could be a game changer.

Ha! I have found that most of my typos have been prophetic. I myself have heard many a man and woman label me as “so prophetic”.

Cambler

@HolyMoses said:
Perhaps time to change the name of this thread?

It has passed nine month now, and, no sign of a Cubasis v4 on the horizon…

Also, have we seen this flooding in real life??

Pretty sure that Logic Pro for iPads big update in may will come before any update on Cubasis…

My bad for resurrecting the thread. Was trying to not start another.

Really hope there is a serious update coming soon. It’ll be a tad disappointing if not.

HolyMoses

@Cambler said:

@HolyMoses said:
Perhaps time to change the name of this thread?

It has passed nine month now, and, no sign of a Cubasis v4 on the horizon…

Also, have we seen this flooding in real life??

Pretty sure that Logic Pro for iPads big update in may will come before any update on Cubasis…

My bad for resurrecting the thread. Was trying to not start another.

Really hope there is a serious update coming soon. It’ll be a tad disappointing if not.

Update on Logic or update on Cubasis?

How about Tempo Tracks on Cubasis, will it be in next update?
Logic, will we see a giant update and Apple has fixed the boring UI of many instruments and plugins?
What about Alchemy Synth, will we get full set of presets and full UI as on desktop?
Real Sampler from big Logic?

Time will tell…
What have Steinberg in their sleeves?

Samu

Personally I expect to see updates for both Cubasis 3 and LogicPro for iPad in a not too distant future...

I am a 'Logic Head' there's no denying that but there's a load of smaller features missing which has lead me to spend more time with Logic on the Mac. (Things like drag'n'drop from the Arpeggiator to the time-line when using 'captured' arpeggios/sequences, visual editing of the arpeggiator grid and Audio Export of Midi/Audio Events or samples recorded in QuickSampler to the 'Browser' etc.).

What would be really fun would be an avalanche of new apps tomorrow Monday on April Fools Day

Cambler

@HolyMoses said:

@Cambler said:

@HolyMoses said:
Perhaps time to change the name of this thread?

It has passed nine month now, and, no sign of a Cubasis v4 on the horizon…

Also, have we seen this flooding in real life??

Pretty sure that Logic Pro for iPads big update in may will come before any update on Cubasis…

My bad for resurrecting the thread. Was trying to not start another.

Really hope there is a serious update coming soon. It’ll be a tad disappointing if not.

Update on Logic or update on Cubasis?
?

Logic.

Telstar5

@HolyMoses said:

@Cambler said:

@HolyMoses said:
Perhaps time to change the name of this thread?

It has passed nine month now, and, no sign of a Cubasis v4 on the horizon…

Also, have we seen this flooding in real life??

Pretty sure that Logic Pro for iPads big update in may will come before any update on Cubasis…

My bad for resurrecting the thread. Was trying to not start another.

Really hope there is a serious update coming soon. It’ll be a tad disappointing if not.

Update on Logic or update on Cubasis?

How about Tempo Tracks on Cubasis, will it be in next update?
Logic, will we see a giant update and Apple has fixed the boring UI of many instruments and plugins?
What about Alchemy Synth, will we get full set of presets and full UI as on desktop?
Real Sampler from big Logic?

Time will tell…
What have Steinberg in their sleeves?

Logic Pro for iPad doesn’t have big sampler ? Only quick sampler ? Yikes!!!

HolyMoses

@Telstar5 said:

@HolyMoses said:

@Cambler said:

@HolyMoses said:
Perhaps time to change the name of this thread?

It has passed nine month now, and, no sign of a Cubasis v4 on the horizon…

Also, have we seen this flooding in real life??

Pretty sure that Logic Pro for iPads big update in may will come before any update on Cubasis…

My bad for resurrecting the thread. Was trying to not start another.

Really hope there is a serious update coming soon. It’ll be a tad disappointing if not.

Update on Logic or update on Cubasis?

How about Tempo Tracks on Cubasis, will it be in next update?
Logic, will we see a giant update and Apple has fixed the boring UI of many instruments and plugins?
What about Alchemy Synth, will we get full set of presets and full UI as on desktop?
Real Sampler from big Logic?

Time will tell…
What have Steinberg in their sleeves?

Logic Pro for iPad doesn’t have big sampler ? Only quick sampler ? Yikes!!!

Yeah, that’s boring - but, it’s there on the iPad, but no GUI, just to use current instruments…

klownshed

@Telstar5 said:

@HolyMoses said:

@Cambler said:

@HolyMoses said:
Perhaps time to change the name of this thread?

It has passed nine month now, and, no sign of a Cubasis v4 on the horizon…

Also, have we seen this flooding in real life??

Pretty sure that Logic Pro for iPads big update in may will come before any update on Cubasis…

My bad for resurrecting the thread. Was trying to not start another.

Really hope there is a serious update coming soon. It’ll be a tad disappointing if not.

Update on Logic or update on Cubasis?

How about Tempo Tracks on Cubasis, will it be in next update?
Logic, will we see a giant update and Apple has fixed the boring UI of many instruments and plugins?
What about Alchemy Synth, will we get full set of presets and full UI as on desktop?
Real Sampler from big Logic?

Time will tell…
What have Steinberg in their sleeves?

Logic Pro for iPad doesn’t have big sampler ? Only quick sampler ? Yikes!!!

I know right?

In the meantime Cubasis users get to use the full power of full-fat Halion. Oh, wait, what?

Telstar5

@klownshed said:

@Telstar5 said:

@HolyMoses said:

@Cambler said:

@HolyMoses said:
Perhaps time to change the name of this thread?

It has passed nine month now, and, no sign of a Cubasis v4 on the horizon…

Also, have we seen this flooding in real life??

Pretty sure that Logic Pro for iPads big update in may will come before any update on Cubasis…

My bad for resurrecting the thread. Was trying to not start another.

Really hope there is a serious update coming soon. It’ll be a tad disappointing if not.

Update on Logic or update on Cubasis?

How about Tempo Tracks on Cubasis, will it be in next update?
Logic, will we see a giant update and Apple has fixed the boring UI of many instruments and plugins?
What about Alchemy Synth, will we get full set of presets and full UI as on desktop?
Real Sampler from big Logic?

Time will tell…
What have Steinberg in their sleeves?

Logic Pro for iPad doesn’t have big sampler ? Only quick sampler ? Yikes!!!

I know right?

In the meantime Cubasis users get to use the full power of full-fat Halion. Oh, wait, what?

@klownshed I just migrated back to Logic Pro for iPad from Cubasis, don’t say that,lol!

Optahealth

Can't receive Midi Clock,
No midi learn
No IIA (ok I'm a dinosaur)

Press the Play buttion on your keyboard and it plays?????? Not so much

@wingwizard said:

I love Logic Pro, instantly was everything I was looking for in a daw that’s been missing for so long.

I’d be interested to know why people dislike logic

HolyMoses

@Optahealth said:
Can't receive Midi Clock,
No midi learn
No IIA (ok I'm a dinosaur)

Press the Play buttion on your keyboard and it plays?????? Not so much

@wingwizard said:

I love Logic Pro, instantly was everything I was looking for in a daw that’s been missing for so long.

I’d be interested to know why people dislike logic

To be correct, but it's IAA, not IIA...

And, what kind of keyboard do you have connected to your iPad (play)?

Can big Logic Pro receive MIDI Clock??

Telstar5

@klownshed : Actually it’s not full on Halion like on Cubase

Optahealth

Oh that spelling thing....

I have a Yamaha PSR E453. For a basic keyboardist like me it's awesome.
I can press play and initiate playback in Loopy Pro and Zenbeats. - And sync to midi clock. It's a lot of fun to record the rhythms.

It also acts as an AUDIO interface. How surprising it was to discover that.

To be correct, but it's IAA, not IIA...

And, what kind of keyboard do you have connected to your iPad (play)?

Can big Logic Pro receive MIDI Clock??