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In your opinion sure. Maybe in a strictly technical sense it’s the “best” as in the most feature rich. But for me, Cubasis 3 is the best. Not sure why that’s getting lost on you….
+1
Whatever suits your workflow and you’re comfortable with. It’s all about making music in the end. I’m a fan of Roland Zenbeats and it suits ME, but that in no way makes Logic Pro any less great. It’s just that its workflow doesn’t suit ME. It’s a very well made DAW, looks fantastic with great functionality and it will get even better, and I am really happy for all of you that found yourself at home with it. I am also grateful that the intro of LP on iOS makes developers not yet very active around our little ecosystem look our way (oh don’t worry…they are😉!! I can personally guarantee that but no mention of any names).
Have a great fall Logic Proers, now go and have fun making music!😊
All the best from the Roland world,
DMfan🇸🇪
👆This!
Bottom line, use whatever tools make you happy and productive. It’s not a contest. The more, the merrier if it means more people making music, of whatever kind.
I have no skin in this particular game (AUM is my happy place), but it’s plain people can make wonderful music in multiple ways, many of which I wouldn’t gel with, but many do.
Agreed! I like Zenbeats a lot as well but Cubasis 3 is ultimately the one that works for me the most since I use other apps for clip launching. But can’t deny the power of ZB either. We’re spoiled for choice
Agreed. AUM, Drambo/BAM, Loopy Pro, Koala are where I spend most of my time but I do like to occasionally work in Cubasis. Or take stems there to master them.
Rather than start a new thread I thought I’d tack on here. How are those who paid for a Logic subscription feeling as their sub comes up (those who would otherwise use Cubasis)?
Personally I’m starting to wonder if it really offers that much more for me. My main hope was the easy transfer of projects to desktop Logic subscription service and which has its limitations (some understandable, some that need to be fixed). If it wasn’t for this feature I think it’d be an easy choice to not continue with it and sole use Cubasis on iPad.
What features do others love or miss in either apps? Are there limitations in Cubasis that Logic solves for you or vice cersaversa?
My gut feeling is that Apple will release an stunning update to Logic Pro for iPad before 23:rd of may.
Three important things for me:
I gladly pay for yet another year for Logic Pro - great stuff!
This timing for an update would make a lot of sense! FWIW I’ve dropped my monthly sub, but I haven’t been using any DAW due to heading down a jazz rabbit hole with my trumpet. At this point I have to say that if Cubasis had a few significant problems sorted out it would turn my head.
If they just sold it rather than make it subscription they might get more people using it.
Interesting thoughts about the possible update. For me it would need add a seamless transfer of projects that use auv3’s and have equivalent desktop au versions. I understand the potential difficulties but without it the project transfer option is pretty limiting.
Also agreed about the subscription option still feeling problematic. If I pay for a second year that’ll be $100 (AUD). I’d pay that for it outright but the idea that after 4 years I’d have put up $200 means I need to think carefully now if I want to continue.
At present Cubasis, whilst needing some touching up in areas, seems to do most of what Logic offers. I do quite like using Logic but it’s what $ value I put on that which is in question.
Cubasis is a really good DAW for iPad, but, the problem is two things - slow speed of improvement and the resistance from Steinberg to put too much work into the Cubasis mobile team - much because of low income from the mobile division.
Great developers cost a lot of money, but if you have low prices for your product it certainly will affect the speed of development.
In that department Logic Pro will have better economical bright future.
Fair thoughts although it remains to be seen how quickly Logic for iPad will develop. I guess it all depends of people’s workflow as well. I finish on desktop and look to the iPad platform as a way to get ideas and projects started and as developed as I can, but not as a finisher (well not as yet anyway). I do really like Logic on iPad but for myself I feel the value proposition starts to wane as one looks ahead 4 or 5 years and thinks of the outlay.
It's always interesting to see what I wrote just 4 months ago compared to now. Logic comes quite in handy for a couple of reasons...
Even if just using Logic as a mastering tool, it's worth it at $5/month. Waves charges approximately $5/track for their AI Mastering tool. That's ridiculous. (Then again Waves usually has always been historically overpriced lol.) Whereas $5/month for Logic gets me unlimited mastering, period.
I’d have to work to remember details about what I didn’t like about Cubasis. I think the big thing had to do with clunkiness—for me—around copying, pasting, rearranging, and editing “regions”. (I don’t recall what Cubasis calls them.) And it might not be clunky for others, but it was for me.
Oh, I do recall that I found selecting an AUv3 or a preset frustrating. Logic’s situation there isn’t perfect, but it is so much better for me.
I’ve been happy enough with Logic that I don’t remember what was on my small list of features I wanted to see. They must have not been that important to me.
I do miss NS2’s MIDI editing UI. That worked very well for me. But my edits tend to be few enough that it isn’t a huge deal. I can’t think of anything else from the iPad DAWs I tried that I miss.
I don’t know how much my history of 4-track cassette to GarageBand Mac has to do with Logic fitting well for me, but it does.
If Cubasis actually made a few improvements to workflow that has been on the want list for some time then it would be a value proposition. At this stage even with the long term sub cost of Logic on the iPad it offers an environment which is more usable as a mixing space (master solo switch, plugin delay compensation, a work flow that makes sense from a DAW perspective). Cubasis with it’s integration with the HUI protocol makes it a useful contender as a digital tape machine with editing facilities in a more hardware centred environment. This is where I think it’s strength might be. This is something I am contemplating for studio use. Minimal digital surface space except for the “tape machine” and keep everything as analog as possible. It still takes IAA inputs too which is useful. Shame they haven’t got some of the other details sorted. I have no interest in buying into Cubase if this is what they are aiming at and quite honestly using Cubasis doesn’t sell me on the idea of investigating Cubase. I have plenty of DAW power for Mac/PC usage if I want to go there.
Hate? I have both cubasis and logic…they are both good and bad.
Apple is dropping the ball on Logic Pro…and it’s a sub, so if anyone should be fixing things, it should be Apple.
There are some glaringly bad things in Logic Pro.
1. The close and crash on 90% of all projects. They should have fixed this by now.
2. The horrid problem of creating your own logic Sample Alchemy patches and them disappearing into thin air.
3. The inability to save…which brings us to a significant issue…
4. The overwriting of projects into oblivion with autosave…yup there is no ‘save as’ this is a bad Nono, hope you like those changes that just auto saved over your original work? =0!
5. No groove tracks or groove stacks under them…this is a vital vocal editing thing…
6. No groove quantize
7. No flex
8. Editing with the scissor tool might be the most annoying thing to date…
9. No strip silence?
10. The back arrow that closes the project is so irritating, I wanna break sh’t upon doing it.
There’s like 20-30 more…but those are just little things that need to make their way to the iPad, but if they fix those 10 my sanity will be leveled up.
I also think there could be massive improvements to the entire Logic Pro Mobile user interface, moving around on it sucks.
This sums up with the simple question: why do you pay sub for Logic Pro when you think LP4i really sucks??
But, if there’s 20-30 annoying things with LP4i, it’s a thousand things that make Logic Pro the only DAW I need.
I'm 95% in LogicPro for iPad (and Logic on Mac) and the remaining 5% is spent with other hosts.
I keep Cubasis 3 around since I need it for doing plug-in beta-testing.
In due time it'll likely get some long-standing 'meh issues' sorted out...
Yeah, absolutely hate cubasis, love Logic. Not a fan of Apple but love it. I don’t make dance or loop based music and haven’t felt an issue with those things. I have felt a major issue with cubasis workflow, everything being counter intuitive to me. It’s just personally what works, and what doesn’t. Cubasis does not feel made for songwriters, or musicians (piano guitar etc) to me, and certainly doesn’t look it.
The irritation you describe is exactly how I feel in cubasis or other daws. lol. Actually, other daws I feel that, cubasis is like stepping into a bar full of celebrities and people looking horribly pleased with themselves, hearing dance music bass coming from a pa, and just turning round and walking out to find a pub with oak tables for me.
Saving is simple, not sure what is the problem you’re having. It always saves for me. I mean, you said it doesn’t save then said it auto saves too much, or tht it’s auto saving is a problem, if there’s not a back/undo button it needs one I can’t remember
Sorry but groove tracks aren’t vital for vocals unless the singer has a poor sense of rhythm. It can really dehumanise and miss the nuances of a good singer and performance. I’m not saying they can’t be helpful but this stuff, autotune, sucks the life and magic out of a song and that’s a very delicate thing. People don’t notice when they’re too caught up with ‘all the notes at all the right times’. There’s an issue in the culture of some genres/production with this misunderstanding imo. Tools are there to be used sparingly same with effects.
Love the interface. Can’t stand the interface of cubasis. These are personal preferences - personally I find cubasis unusable. It feels really basic, gui wise, to me - but the main thing is it looks like it’s designed to appeal to people in EDM or dance music. It looks like ableton a bit. It looks cold and clubby. All things I find awful and uninspiring. Each to their own
Nothing is where I want it to be in cubasis, every system feels counter intuitive to me and weirdly designed. It will be the opposite for others, logic has a great natural workflow for people who make full songs using acoustic instruments and audio as well as midi, songwriters etc. I can’t speak for everyone but I believe this to be the case for the most part. And who it’s made for. I always struggle with this, historically in daws, and hated logic before Apple owned it. But I find it simple and natural. Problems are overwhelmingly overcome by this compared to the dreadful experience I’ve had in other iOS daws where I feel like I’m walking into some Kafka experience
Drums should be round robin. They’re not I’m sure.
Logic Pro has never crashed on me. Not once. Auria would crash every time. Not sure what you’re doing or what iPad you have if it’s crashing on ‘90% of projects’. Never heard anyone else have that problem either. Not saying to cast doubt on that, I just haven’t, so maybe it makes it easier to isolate the issue as it’s something specific your use? Or perhaps I’ve missed others having that issue I don’t know.
I’m sure I’ll run into issues, and maybe I will get annoyed too but I haven’t so far. It’s just been a joy to me like pulling out drawers and things in a workbench and everything exactly where I want it to be, particularly compared to how I felt in other iOS daws, either too weak, or having to click menus like it’s made for desktop, crashing constantly … Auria was horrendous from day one for me, cubasis not something i could even get myself into using at all I found it so off putting, lots of beatmaker feeling type stuff I can’t stand… so it’s been good for me
I do hate Apple though lol
The crash on close with Logic is probably due to a misbehaving plugin, in my case it's when I have MagicDeathEye on the master strip, which is always
I should probably report the issue to DDMF.
@MadGav : Trumpet? I recorded with Red Rodney in 1990(Bob Belden prod and Chris Potter’s debut ).
I can’t say I ‘hate’ Cusbasis but a month ago I finally binned it. I make music as The Belle Vue Zoo totally on iPad. I struggled on making do and mending. Since Logic arrived I took down most of my tracks from streaming and had a rerun using only Logic. My production is still not great I know but everything improved. In addition for the first time my tracks have gotten onto Pandora Radio (previous tracks no chance due to poor production) and just recently I got my first ever track onto Spotify playlist Radar. All down to Logic for iPad. I WILL not be going back. The difference for me is significant.
LP4i is all I use. The most delightful SW I’ve ever used on any platform
Wow! I’ve returned to trumpet in the past year, having wandered off in other directions by my early 20s. Some of the guys I played with in my teens did good though, the big surprise was spotting Elliot Mason on the stand with Wynton. I think you’ve narrowed yourself to 1 of 3 people…
With 30 years of hindsight I now seem ready to dig deeper into improv than a blues scale. 😂
I bought Cubasis in 2000 and never used it. I didn’t have any idea about iOS production and I kept to Logic Pro X/desktop.
I got my iPad m1 early last year and still didn’t like Cubasis. I got into dRambo and then I needed a daw that had loop record so I liked Zb3.
When Logic got announced I was super excited because I thought it would be maybe a nominal fee for existing owners but I was even more disappointed when it was only sub. I still wish they offered purchase option.
Anyway fast forward to 2023 when I got into iOS production , by time Cubasis made all its amazing updates and “was catching up” to Logic , I was kind of out of ideas at the end of the year with getting a working workflow and productions happening so I gave up
Enter TE and 2024, Now that I have my Op-1 field Cubasis is the only DAW I (will) use on iPad/ios. If I REALLY need something more than GF2 for mastering, I could always export to desktop, but at this point it’s Cubasis for iPad and iPhone and Logic Pro X for desktop.
But I’m actually happy with Cubasis in the way that I use it with the my Op-1f. The iPad is somewhat limited with its audio anyway so when I need multiple hubs I have to use desktop anyway so it doesn’t matter much
I do however like being able to work on projects on iPad and iPhone with the field , which I couldn’t do with Logic (on iPhone) so Cubasis is all I’ll need for now
(? guess I’m one of the few guys on here who separates desktop DAW from iPad/iOS daw)?
For me personally, I utterly hate working on a desktop/laptop, period (unless it's file management for my OP-1 Field and backing up tapes to Dropbox). When I got my cheap file management Windows laptop, I tried to get back into FL Studio, my number one go-to DAW on Windows, and I froze in place with a feeling in the pit of my stomach.
I like the "modularity" of iOS. Many apps for many different functions. Appwise, I love FLSM, NS2, Koala Sampler and Gadget for creating backing tracks. I can also create instrumentals in my OP-1 Field.
AUM is one of my most-used tools. I mostly use it for sampling instrument oneshots from synths and romplers per project when I plan to create an instrumental in FLSM or Koala. When I sample oneshots, I love to add effects to the oneshot itself and sample that output. I also use AUM as a catalyst for live-performing Ambient.
Now as far as Cubasis vs Logic is concerned - I love Cubasis for working with vocals. Waves Tune RT is the quickest way to autotune my vocals controlled by MIDI, and the Micrologue synth is the perfect carrier to use in conjunction with DerVoco for vocoding vocals. I'm no expert at mastering my own music despite having GF2, and I really don't trust my ears.
I love Logic simply for mastering my music and recording from my OP-1 Field. The AI Mastering Assistant is better at mastering my own music than I ever was. $5/month just for the Mastering Assistant is a bargain when you consider other alternatives like Waves AI Mastering which is like $5/track or more money per track when hiring a mastering professional.
And unlike Cubasis, Logic recognises my OP-1 Field instantly as an input source. I can just plug in and record and master right on the spot.
Being stuck in just one app just feels limiting to me. I'm not about all this "this app versus that app" twaddle nor about "one app to rule them all". Each app has its place in my workflow.
Elliot Mason is unbelievable!
I agree, with you first and last point (hate working in macos now that i tried iOS and the TE DAW/OS, and about each app serving different needs) thats why I wasn’t hung up to use Steinberg on iOS (first Drambo , then bm3, and then zb3 - all of which i still like a lot, but I dont “produce” without the op1f at this point so I use Cubasis since it works really well with the field as you pointed out). One thing about iOS is each daw has a strong suit and feature that the others dont (whereas Logic for desktop really has not competition on macOS). I guess my point was I didnt like cubasis and had it longer than all of my Daws, and now its the only daw im using, and thats because my workflow is outside of an OS of any kind I guess.
Jim, one unique thing about you is your ability to use any and all software. You learn it well and quickly, and you can produce almost every genre in each, so comparing my production “workflow” to yours is just silly, im in the minor leagues compared to your game. Also you know how to use the DAWs better and with fluency so you definitely shouldn’t compare my workflow to yours.
I just got mine - JUST - and it’s a single hardware based workflow. You have like 10 workflows with 9 apps and an OP-1 Field so…..gimme some time and maybe one day I’ll catch up to you
Ah okay, cool. 😎
Erm, okay. Nobody was comparing their workflow to yours and vice versa. Where did you get this from? Kindly reread what I wrote and try not to become offended. I was simply sharing how I work in hopes of sparking a fun conversation. That's all. No comparisons. No arguments. No "my workflow is better than yours, na na na boo boo" rubbish.
(Jfc, can't I even share something without someone becoming offended, especially someone I consider one of my mates? I refuse to walk on eggshells to protect your feelings mate.)
You still make great music with your workflow. Again, I'm not saying "my workflow is better than yours". I'm sharing the workflow(s) that interest(s) me and thought you were interested to read mine as I was excited to read yours. You make great music on your OP-1 Field that I like listening to. You don't have to "catch up to me" since you already make great music.