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  • edited December 2023

    Firstly you probably should figure out your true motivation for making music or whatever it is you want to do. If it’s something that truly enriches your life in a unique way, you will know what it’s worth. If a piece of equipment is helping you in achieving that then embrace the opportunity. If you realize your motivation comes from desires that don’t really enrich your life, you should realize you have free will to choose your life’s path.

    Don’t expect others to be able to feel what you need. Your freedom depends on your own ability to navigate what feels right and take appropriate action.

    As for selling beats… I often wonder why people put this as a goal. It’s good to know your motivation behind this idea. Are you desiring an audience or do you just want to share something you feel excited about? Do you have a vision you want to share or do you create in service to the highest bidder? Do you search a seal of approval or do you just enjoy co-creating? Are you blissful just being in a creative flow or do you need projects to be completed by a third party to feel satisfied?

    Very important nuances in intention with a totally different energy and impact.

  • @dreamcartel

    Self-doubt is an artist’s superpower.

    I ask a simple question from myself quite often:

    “Who are you making music for and why?”

    I’m much more content when the answer is:

    “For me and for fun.”

    And that is one of the main things I love about Audiobus forum. I can share what I create with people that share the same passion. I can learn, and share what I learn.

    It’s nice that every once in a while I get to perform live in front of an audience, 99% of the time for free. Sometimes the audience is receptive, sometimes they are not. It depends. So one person’s opinion, even if they’re a loved one, is just that. One person’s opinion.

    There are many people that doubt us. We shouldn’t be one of those people.

    Cheers!

  • @Tarekith said:
    Not sure about the wife issue, but I would hesitate to call anything my be all and end all dream DAW without using it first. Not saying you shouldn’t get it, but maybe try and approach it a bit more pragmatically and without the assumption this will be the only piece of gear you ever need the rest of your life.

    What happens if they release an OP-2 for instance?

    Also, I have a rule that says if I have to ask other people if I should buy something, then it means maybe I’m not ready to pull the trigger. “I” should KNOW if new kit is really going to bring something to the table with my music making before I drop the coin.

    😉

    Great advice 🚨.

  • @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    I feel it’s generally not a good idea to share creations with family and friends. Share it only with people who seek that sort of stuff out.

    Good call

    @NeuM said:
    Suggestion: Instead of investing in costly hardware, invest in yourself. Take music lessons. If you take lessons and demonstrate a willingness to develop your craft for a lifetime, you’ll be doing double duty.

    I don’t think it’s a bad idea, in fact I want to take production lessons because i should be able to produce that track ^ myself

    @Tarekith said:
    Not sure about the wife issue, but I would hesitate to call anything my be all and end all dream DAW without using it first. Not saying you shouldn’t get it, but maybe try and approach it a bit more pragmatically and without the assumption this will be the only piece of gear you ever need the rest of your life.

    What happens if they release an OP-2 for instance?

    Also, I have a rule that says if I have to ask other people if I should buy something, then it means maybe I’m not ready to pull the trigger. “I” should KNOW if new kit is really going to bring something to the table with my music making before I drop the coin.

    😉

    Fair point man. If they released the op-2 I would feel like a little annoyed too. I honestly just loved the theoretical workflow from my YT viewings but you’re right I never tried one. Only thing is i can’t get my hands on one to deep dive without buying one, either op I mean.but I’ll keep watching videos and keep an open mind to other things

    — I have until January 1st to decide because as I said, this is genuinely a once in a decade gift so I have to make sure it’s what I want and nothing besides . She is the purchaser but my parents and sister are chipping in a third each so she needs to let them know so they can give her their share>

    @Crano said:
    Firstly you probably should figure out your true motivation for making music or whatever it is you want to do. If it’s something that truly enriches your life in a unique way, you will know what it’s worth. If a piece of equipment is helping you in achieving that then embrace the opportunity. If you realize your motivation comes from desires that don’t really enrich your life, you should realize you have free will to choose your life’s path.

    Don’t expect others to be able to feel what you need. Your freedom depends on your own ability to navigate what feels right and take appropriate action.

    As for selling beats… I often wonder why people put this as a goal. It’s good to know your motivation behind this idea. Are you desiring an audience or do you just want to share something you feel excited about? Do you have a vision you want to share or do you create in service to the highest bidder? Do you search a sign of approval or do you just enjoy co-creating?

    Very important nuances in intention with a totally different energy and impact.

    Truly this is the most resonant I’ve felt. If you asked me based on my knowledge of the item, workflow, and what I desire to produce, this machine does everything I could imagine and more.

    I’ll say this much, I introduced doubt because I let a harsh, angry critique said in the heat of an aggravated emotional time for her tainted what I want!

    This shouldn’t be! As Gav said self doubt is ok, to a point so that you can check yourself, but accepting other doubts in yourself isn’t

    It just hit me. And I’m sorry that it took so many different perspective and input and members for me to see it but it just clicked for me : I’m the arbiter of whether I suck and what my enjoyment of an activity is. If at the end of the day the process was fulfilling and even more great is if it taught me something then I am for it.

    As for the selling beats, she actually said to me upon hearing my song in the background “you should try selling your beats!!” Lol!! So maybe it’s her frustration with my stagnation because she sees how lazy I can be sometimes and maybe she wants me to make something of it , even if it is just for me and my enjoyment or friends. Selling the beats was never important to me. What matters is making music and enjoying the process . I felt like this device would facilitate these goals , learning and enjoyment. I really did

    I really appreciate the part about the nuances and energy . You must be a martial artist

    @reezygle said:
    @dreamcartel

    Self-doubt is an artist’s superpower.

    I ask a simple question from myself quite often:

    “Who are you making music for and why?”

    I’m much more content when the answer is:

    “For me and for fun.”

    And that is one of the main things I love about Audiobus forum. I can share what I create with people that share the same passion. I can learn, and share what I learn.

    It’s nice that every once in a while I get to perform live in front of an audience, 99% of the time for free. Sometimes the audience is receptive, sometimes they are not. It depends. So one person’s opinion, even if they’re a loved one, is just that. One person’s opinion.

    There are many people that doubt us. We shouldn’t be one of those people.

    Cheers!

    And you summed it up in another way; thank you for such positive affirmations. Yes, I’m making it for me. And yes I want it to be the most enjoyable process so if this works for me then I really do want it in the end …. And yes one persons opinion is a finite measure that is negligible

    ——
    Thank you so much everyone. I am really just happy about the discussion overall, as rezygle just pointed out, this place has a lot more to it than just iOS.

    Thanks for everyone lifting my spirit up. I don’t feel like “I don’t deserve it “ anymore . Now it’s just “what do I want/need for my bday”. Like really , that feeling I started with this morning is gone, and I hesitated to ask, but I’m glad I did.

    Great minds on here

  • You can also buy a flagship synthesizer or workstation for $2500 from Korg, Yamaha, Roland instead of this glorified pocket calculator (not dissing it....). Maybe such a purchase would bring you further? I would investigate that route also a bit more because of this opportunity.

  • edited December 2023

    I could: I love Roland and Korg. What are some of their flagships you would recommend as an alternative? @raabje

    One thing I know is korg and Roland are QUALITY. TE is hit and miss.

  • edited December 2023

    Roland Jupiter-X comes to my mind for a complete synthesizer

    Workstation, anything that can help you creating tracks an easy way, without a computer.

    Off course Ipad has everything already but then we keep talking in circles ;-)

  • edited December 2023

    @Blipsford_Baubie : +1!

    I have learnt this harsh truth about the appreciation offered to one’s art by one’s immediate circle the hard way…

  • edited December 2023

    @dreamcartel said:
    I could: I love Roland and Korg. What are some of their flagships you would recommend as an alternative? @raabje

    One thing I know is korg and Roland are QUALITY. TE is hit and miss.

    I have had my eyes on the Roland sh-4d because I know I’ll make a platinum album with it as soon as I get it. 😅

    https://www.roland.com/ca/products/sh-4d/

    It’s well within your budget. Maybe get more than one thing to make up the difference? 😉

    Don’t listen to me because I’m just adding kindling to your GAS 🔥

    See how this goes? 🙂

  • edited December 2023

    It’s never the gear:

    The man is literally playing a shovel.

  • edited December 2023

    @dreamcartel said:
    I could: I love Roland and Korg. What are some of their flagships you would recommend as an alternative? @raabje

    One thing I know is korg and Roland are QUALITY. TE is hit and miss.

    Logically this makes sense but when it comes to inspiration and motivation, go with the thing you’re passionate about (even tho I personally think TE stuff is ridiculously priced). Can you find one secondhand for less? :lol:

    A moderately successful new age artist I once met gave me this potentially terrible advice: “Don’t buy anything you can afford or you’ll never play it.”

  • edited December 2023

    @Svetlovska said:
    It’s never the gear:

    The man is literally playing a shovel.

    It’s much higher quality than some of the guitars I owned when I was younger…

  • I looked at a few other very interesting pieces: the mc707, sh4d, Jupiter from Roland. I saw the mpcs from akai, not really looking for the m8 or tracker or mkii or anything like that. Sh4d is a monster and the Jupiter is too much for me. I did like the 707.
    I also did like the mpc one and force, but it looks like the mpc one is more for songs and force is for performance, The push3 is also out of my league and Ableton live based. M8 and trackers aren’t for me or deluge. Korg has a lot of modular pieces I like but that’s not it.

    In fact the more I look at other options the more I’m questioning why I am. If they all essentially do similar things , it’s either go for the field or just stick to the iPad if the desktop gets boring whcih is what I think raajbe meant and he’s right …. And as I was typing this a comment popped up that made me add

    @oddSTAR you said it man. Clearly I’m stuck on op1F…question is do I just give in, or just accept it has the features I wanted and was looking for from all the stuff I wanted between my controllers and drum machines and synths and etc so I’ll leave it at that and not take up anymore room. Again thanks because all these different ways to look at it let me see what I needed to see

  • edited December 2023

    Two possibilities , my fav being the first (and most difficult)
    1. Use the money to buy something your whole family will enjoy. No one can argue about that and you certainly won’t suck. There’s always another birthday and you’ll blow their fing minds.

    1. Contrarily, people make a huge mistake by giving gifts THEY think you should want. This is your choice, bro. Tho, personally, and not knowing TE that well, I made better music with my $1200 Kawai keyboard over the last five yrs than I have with my new 14k Kawai Novus. That is because I was better able to get in touch with my inner ikmuse over the past five years than I am now. IMHO, you won’t make better music because of a new piece of gear, but, you possibly will have a lot of fun, just as I love my new keyboard and am in awe of its technology.

    Thanks for an interesting thread, bro. No one I’ve loved in the past few decades loved my music either, though they were impressed by whatever the fuck it is they think I do.

  • @LinearLineman said:
    Several possibilities, my fav being the first (and most difficult)
    1. Use the money to buy something your whole family will enjoy. No one can argue about that and you certainly won’t suck. There’s always another birthday and you’ll blow their fing minds.

    1. Contrarily, people make a huge mistake by giving gifts THEY think you should want. This is your choice, bro. Tho, personally, and not knowing TE that well, I made better music with my $1200 Kawai keyboard over the last five yrs than I have with my new 14k Kawai Novus. That is because I was better able to get in touch with my inner ikmuse over the past five years than I am now. IMHO, you won’t make better music because of a new piece of gear, but, you possibly will have a lot of fun, just as I love my new keyboard and am in awe of its technology.

    Thanks for an interesting thread, bro. No one I’ve loved in the past few decades loved my music either, though they were impressed by whatever the fuck it is they think I do.

    Thank for your input (it is indeed a call I gotta make in the end, and I have been thinking about doing a small family thing as you were saying that, like a weekend vacation or something .

    I’m glad you were able to get something out of this too!!! I was starting to feel selfish lol

  • Do whatever will make you create and practice more. If you put the time in you will get better.

  • @reezygle said:
    @dreamcartel

    Self-doubt is an artist’s superpower.

    I ask a simple question from myself quite often:

    “Who are you making music for and why?”

    I’m much more content when the answer is:

    “For me and for fun.”

    And that is one of the main things I love about Audiobus forum. I can share what I create with people that share the same passion. I can learn, and share what I learn.

    It’s nice that every once in a while I get to perform live in front of an audience, 99% of the time for free. Sometimes the audience is receptive, sometimes they are not. It depends. So one person’s opinion, even if they’re a loved one, is just that. One person’s opinion.

    There are many people that doubt us. We shouldn’t be one of those people.

    Cheers!

    Once you realize you can make music for yourself and just for fun, it opens up many more doors. For me anyway. But it took years to realized I didn’t need to “make it” for this to be worthwhile. And I agree ABF is great for that. Well said.

  • @dreamcartel said:
    I looked at a few other very interesting pieces: the mc707, sh4d, Jupiter from Roland. I saw the mpcs from akai, not really looking for the m8 or tracker or mkii or anything like that. Sh4d is a monster and the Jupiter is too much for me. I did like the 707.
    I also did like the mpc one and force, but it looks like the mpc one is more for songs and force is for performance, The push3 is also out of my league and Ableton live based. M8 and trackers aren’t for me or deluge. Korg has a lot of modular pieces I like but that’s not it.

    In fact the more I look at other options the more I’m questioning why I am. If they all essentially do similar things , it’s either go for the field or just stick to the iPad if the desktop gets boring whcih is what I think raajbe meant and he’s right …. And as I was typing this a comment popped up that made me add

    @oddSTAR you said it man. Clearly I’m stuck on op1F…question is do I just give in, or just accept it has the features I wanted and was looking for from all the stuff I wanted between my controllers and drum machines and synths and etc so I’ll leave it at that and not take up anymore room. Again thanks because all these different ways to look at it let me see what I needed to see

    That’s part of the issue for me. There are so many great pieces of HW out there and I can find things about all of them that I love and want in my life. Then I realize the iPad and a midi controller does it all and I’m back at square one.

    Honestly with just Volcas, Pocket Operators, Bastl, I’m pretty content. May add a couple of the small Roland boxes and Moog Mavis eventually. But those “pocket synths” are all super fun and surprisingly powerful. And they all adhere to the Korg/analog sync standard so they work very well together. And it offers me a lot of hardware for a small price that adds up to a bigger whole. Plus getting my away from a screen and just jamming out for a while.

    I know you have one of the Roland boxes, so that’s just a suggestion, but it’s worked for me. I’m still almost all iPad and I do still must for the Field. But whether or not I’ll get one is anybody’s guess but I’m in no rush now.

  • wimwim
    edited December 2023

    @dreamcartel said:
    That’s the gist of it (and fwiw she did apologize for it and said later “you just can’t take my criticism when I tell you to take parts out when you ask me my opinion. So either take my criticisms and apply them or don’t ask me to listen to something that you know I can’t stomach”)

    I don't like saying this but that part resonated with me. I get into that cycle with my wife only with the roles reversed. It can be frustrating for personality types like mine when asked for input and then the input is taken as hurtful.

    Her frustration may not have been about what she actually said at all. Rather it may have been frustration over causing you hurt by it. We rational types can get really frustrated when more sensitive types read emotional meaning we didn't intend into our analytical responses. We try to be helpful in our own way but it backfires. That gets frustrating.

    I have to learn over and over and over to only offer advice when I'm positive that's what she wants (it usually isn't), and then only in such a way that it's clear she's free to take it or leave it and I'm clear in my own mind that I don't care if she listens or not.

    It may help to keep in mind that a person's personality type has a huge effect on how they communicate. We tend to take what people say how we would mean the same thing if we said it. That isn't how it works.

    An analytical type will sometimes innocently say things with no emotional intent at all because hearing such a thing wouldn't be received emotionally ourselves. A more sensitive type would probably never resort to saying the same thing unless there was a boiling cauldron of emotion behind it. Both are usually confused and frustrated when the other takes what they say the "wrong way".

  • Get a drum kit, the gift that gives to the whole family.

    MC707 is pretty dope too though.

  • @Tarekith said:
    Get a drum kit, the gift that gives to the whole family.

    And the neighbors too.

  • @dreamcartel said:

    What would you do if the person giving you the greatest synth station and jewel of the synth world said basically “are you sure you are getting something you ‘are good enough for’?” And now I’m like shit, should I just get something else man?

    😂

    I don’t let people buy me anything to do with music.

    As far as being good enough, I buy/sell a lot of gear and most of the people I deal with can barely play. Who cares man, if it makes you happy.

    I would find a way to purchase the OP-1f yourself and not accept such a gift.

  • @dreamcartel said:
    Thanks for the replies

    To put it in the broader context it went something like “listen to this new track I worked on”
    15 seconds in “no, enough” and she hit stop
    “Not even a minute ?”
    “No because you take one amazing riff or idea and then you throw on your synthesizers and start f’n it all up”
    “What about the music itself ?”
    “You know you are a great writer but what good is it if you can’t use your instruments you keep saying you need for your sound and those apps you bought? What are they doing ?”
    “First of all I told you I moved to the drum machine and hardware, because I couldn’t work on the iPad after all was said and done, second I told you I wanted to move back into the studio setting”
    “ ok and what change has that had? The music still is too much (too many layers , too many progressions she meant”
    “Ok well I’m trying to figure out the workflow using dRambo and Logic “
    “If you haven’t figured it out, what are you doing, what have you been doing this whole time?”
    “ I just told you working on my sound, and how to integrate it …that’s why I did this, listen”
    …..”no, you suck, I’m sorry but you have great ideas, and you butcher them to death”

    That’s the gist of it (and fwiw she did apologize for it and said later “you just can’t take my criticism when I tell you to take parts out when you ask me my opinion. So either take my criticisms and apply them or don’t ask me to listen to something that you know I can’t stomach”)

    So don’t worry guys I’m not completely dejected recounting the story with the details , it was just I guess waking up to the “shocking review” in mind made me vent and try to see what others may have thought

    Thanks again for the input - it helps me think it through

    Sounds like she offered a fairly well-thought out rationale for her critique. It's a lot more than just "you suck". Can you involve her in the creation process? Show her a piece in progress and ask what to do next? Because it sounds like she has ideas.

    I didn't select my wife for her musical taste. You can't have everything in a spouse, and I was willing to let that one slide, even though it's so important to me.

  • Don’t second guess it. People buy things constantly they don’t know how to use. They read the instructions, use it, practice using it, etc… and learn how to use it. You can’t learn and play guitar if you don’t have one, or at least constant access to one.

  • edited December 2023

    Great to hear you have gotten so much out of the help from the people here and it helped you reconnect with yourself. And I don’t think you should feel sorry or apologize. Appreciation is better suited, for everyone including yourself 😁. We all get something out of it if the conversation made a positive impact.

    And no I don’t really practice martial arts, but I am a student in the school of life. I recently became very much attuned to the concept and the power of intentions. Recognizing ones core intentions in every little choice one makes will make a lot of valuable changes in life. It’s a simple concept but very powerful once you direct your attention to it.

    In reply to your deliberations on specific pieces of gear I would (as someone who acquired quite a lot of different gear over the years) suggest to figure out if you have a specific workflow you want to follow. Because a lot of devices force a workflow with their own logic on you. When you’re used to a certain piece of gear (or software) and you then move to a new hardware groovebox for instance, you might be surprised by the limitations you never imagined there would be. If you can surrender to this and want to be creative with what you get there’s no issue. But if you have specific wishes you better do your homework first 😁✌🏻

    PS. since were on iOS I will add a little tip. If you go with a piece of gear that also work as a class compliant interface it should be really easy to integrate it with iOS and open up a world of unlimited potential. Especially if the device records/samples audio. I have devices like SP-404 MK2 & Digitakt who do this and then youre basically one cable away from godmode. Wether its recording your gear into loopy pro, sequencing your gear with drambo, or using your ipad as an fx box. Anything goes.

  • @Crano said:
    Recognizing ones core intentions in every little choice one makes will make a lot of valuable changes in life. It’s a simple concept but very powerful once you direct your attention to it.

    I learn something useful on this forum every day. That was today's nugget right there. 😎

  • I agree with what you’re saying @Crano. I usually call it will, but I think it’s the same thing. If I don’t have the will I can’t connect to the part of me that can access improvising outside of my conscious thoughts. The “8ntention” allows me to sidestep that thoughtfulness and the judgements that inevitably come along with it.

  • @dreamcartel said:
    I could: I love Roland and Korg. What are some of their flagships you would recommend as an alternative? @raabje

    One thing I know is korg and Roland are QUALITY. TE is hit and miss.

    Just a left field thought... A Yamaha MODX integrates wonderfully with an iPad... add a Roland MC-101, which also integrates well with an iPad, and you could cover a lot of musical ground and get portability as well (with the MC-101). And still be well under $2k...

    As you also mentioned the velocity keyboard on the OP-1f... I use the MC-101 wirelessly with a Korg NanoKey Studio and CME Bluetooth Midi adapter plugged in the MC-101. Works great...

  • @LinearLineman said:
    I agree with what you’re saying @Crano. I usually call it will, but I think it’s the same thing. If I don’t have the will I can’t connect to the part of me that can access improvising outside of my conscious thoughts. The “8ntention” allows me to sidestep that thoughtfulness and the judgements that inevitably come along with it.

    You’re speaking on what some people call ‘being in the zone’ or ‘in the flow’?

    Yes it’s all interlinked. It’s basically meditation. Once you start to focus too much on your thoughts or even worse judgements (like you say) you will immediately be cut off from the source of flow you were in.

    Great artists don’t invent. They are just great channelers with sufficient control over their tools. Anyone can be great. As long as they are authentically attuned to who they really are, be one with all, handle with clear intention and are fully dedicated to the present moment. That should do the trick.

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