Moog Mariana Bass Synthesizer

Carnbot

@craftycurate said:
Has anyone tried this on an older device e.g. Demo version consumes 70% CPU in Ableton, so I'm kind of expecting this to bring my iPad Pro 2017 to its knees!

This is what I have, and I use 2048 or 1024 buffer usually in AUM, works fine but it means less other synths running simultaneously of course.

craftycurate

@Carnbot said:

@craftycurate said:
Has anyone tried this on an older device e.g. Demo version consumes 70% CPU in Ableton, so I'm kind of expecting this to bring my iPad Pro 2017 to its knees!

This is what I have, and I use 2048 or 1024 buffer usually in AUM, works fine but it means less other synths running simultaneously of course.

Ok thanks ... I'm usually running 1024 buffer in AUM and other things.

Slam_Cut

In NS2:
0 AUv3 apps - Audio CPU: 4%
1 instance - Audio CPU: 34%
2 instances - Audio CPU: 51%
3 instances - Audio CPU: 77%
4 instances - Audio CPU: 100%

3 instances ran fine, but when I added the 4th instance (without any notes added) I got chaotic crackling. So 3 instances are possible on 2018 iPad Pro in Nanostudio 2. I doubt I would normally use that many instances of Mariana, but if I needed to I would bounce tracks to audio in Slate and carry on. It would be nice if apps were created with the efficiency of CPU load in mind, but I suspect there are other concerns that outweighed the CPU load on iPads.

Slam_Cut

Curiously…. All Mariana tracks are listed in the track header with the name Mariana: 1982 Berlin Bars, despite a different preset actually selected. Has a music muse finally come to guide me on the path to creating a hit song? I would not mind being a one hit wonder!
Or is it just some glitch? Yeah, that’s probably it. No hit song for me.

5k3105

@Slam_Cut said:
Curiously…. All Mariana tracks are listed in the track header with the name Mariana: 1982 Berlin Bars, despite a different preset actually selected. Has a music muse finally come to guide me on the path to creating a hit song? I would not mind being a one hit wonder!
Or is it just some glitch? Yeah, that’s probably it. No hit song for me.

Ns2 presets show correctly in track name for me. Can have max 4 instances running without cracks.
Ipad 5th gen air

Jumpercollins

It’s fun driving Mariana inside the up and coming EG Nodes.

oceansinspace

I gotta say that yep, cpu mania. I can't run even close to all the moogerfoogers. I bet it's just not optimized proper. I can't run more than 2 mongers, and it seems that using the cv also maxes out the cpu. Now I am mainly hoping this is fixed in update, or add some options as I can run the model 15 which is way more 'nutters' but fine with cpu. Yeah, a mono synth like should be chill on cpu. I think they maybe went nuts on sound quality and designs that were neat but not practical yet (to me). I do love it so far, but I wanted to really rock those pedals to craft the sound. Options for less cpu or fidelity would be ace.

gregsmith

@MoogMusicInc is this coming to iPhone like your other apps?

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@Gavinski said:

Absolutely. There are 2 behaviours that really annoy me. One is people insisting that the only valid way to be a musician is through developing traditional musical chops in regard to instrument playing. They tend to look down on people who focus on sound design, texture etc and who aren't interested in or don't know much about traditional music theory.

The other really annoying type is the opposite one - the sound designers who disparage the 'player' type musician who just wants to play chords and melodies etc and who isn't interested in learning how to make their own synth patches.

I wish these people would understand that what they are drawn to is just one option among many and that everyone has their own tastes and preferences. Some people just like understanding synths etc from a technical point of view and don't really consider themselves to be any kind of musician, and that's also fine.

There are so many ways to enjoy interacting with musical tools.

Nicely put. I grew up with traditional instruments, before personal computers. It took me a while to realize the validity of being a musical collage artist or a knob wiggler. Eventually I realized that the end product is more important than the methods involved in making it.

5k3105

@Jumpercollins said:
It’s fun driving Mariana inside the up and coming EG Nodes.

Those sliders are excellent! Will there be xy pads also?

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@michael_m said:

@Gavinski said:

There’s also a third situation. I have become more careful about giving responses to people when they ask advice and it’s obvious that they don’t play an instrument, as I have had at least a couple of people reply angrily or even resort to name calling. Sometimes people ask questions where the obvious answer is to learn a minimal amount of theory to understand something, or I have suggested that learning some keyboard playing might be beneficial in the long run (based on what they are trying to achieve, not just general advice).

Resistance to learning something that might benefit them is of course the poster’s choice, but they could just respond and say they don’t want to go down that path rather than respond negatively. Thankfully that has been rare.

Yes, I've encountered that response in this forum! I still don't understand the resistance to learning musical theory. In one day you can learn 90% of what is practical that you need to know. But instead of putting those few hours in--a few hours of study that will pay dividends for the rest of your life--people would rather buy an app to think and make artistic decisions for them.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@craftycurate said:
Has anyone tried this on an older device e.g. Demo version consumes 70% CPU in Ableton, so I'm kind of expecting this to bring my iPad Pro 2017 to its knees!

I've played the standalone on my 2017 pro with no problems. Haven't tried it in AUM with much else going on though.

Jumpercollins

@5k3105 said:

@Jumpercollins said:
It’s fun driving Mariana inside the up and coming EG Nodes.

Those sliders are excellent! Will there be xy pads also?

@5k3105 Yes there are built in X Y.

5k3105

@Jumpercollins said:

@5k3105 said:

@Jumpercollins said:
It’s fun driving Mariana inside the up and coming EG Nodes.

Those sliders are excellent! Will there be xy pads also?

@5k3105 Yes there are built in X Y.

Very cool! Thanks

michael_m

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@michael_m said:

@Gavinski said:

There’s also a third situation. I have become more careful about giving responses to people when they ask advice and it’s obvious that they don’t play an instrument, as I have had at least a couple of people reply angrily or even resort to name calling. Sometimes people ask questions where the obvious answer is to learn a minimal amount of theory to understand something, or I have suggested that learning some keyboard playing might be beneficial in the long run (based on what they are trying to achieve, not just general advice).

Resistance to learning something that might benefit them is of course the poster’s choice, but they could just respond and say they don’t want to go down that path rather than respond negatively. Thankfully that has been rare.

Yes, I've encountered that response in this forum! I still don't understand the resistance to learning musical theory. In one day you can learn 90% of what is practical that you need to know. But instead of putting those few hours in--a few hours of study that will pay dividends for the rest of your life--people would rather buy an app to think and make artistic decisions for them.

If an app works for someone in a certain situation then I’m glad that works for them, but sometimes someone might ask what will make it possible to figure out something for themselves and then dismiss any answer that tries to explain what theory might be useful.

Can’t remember the question, but I remember my answer being something along the lines of: “This would definitely be easiest if you enter the notes on a keyboard”, and the poster got angry at what I intended as helpful input.

I’m glad to hear anyone say no thank you or just ignore me when I offer advice, but it’s a little disconcerting when someone reads Ill-intent into it.

oat_phipps

@NeuM said:

@abf said:

@NeuM said:
What about pizza? Pineapple or no?

haha yes pineapple with italian sausage. But pepperoni is my favorite. Real pepperoni, not digital pepperoni, although I know most eaters can't taste the difference. How about you? Pineapple?

Pineapple on pizza... hmm... I think we may have found the problem.

Why does this get people so worked up? I like it when presented to me, but never go out of the way to order it.

oat_phipps

I prefer Dagger to this. I guess it just has unique personality. This is ok, but it sounds a little flat for Moog and there’s some noticeable filter aliasing going on, which is not something I go out of my way to notice as a relative simpleton. Not a surefire 10/10 like their others.

HotStrange

@oat_phipps said:
I prefer Dagger to this. I guess it just has unique personality. This is ok, but it sounds a little flat for Moog and there’s some noticeable filter aliasing going on, which is not something I go out of my way to notice as a relative simpleton. Not a surefire 10/10 like their others.

It’s the opposite for me. I’d say it’s my second favorite Moog after Animoog Z. Compared to Dagger, that’s a hard one. Dagger is so unique in its sound and approach that there’s really nothing on iOS just like it. Amazing app.

NeuM

@oat_phipps said:

@NeuM said:

@abf said:

@NeuM said:
What about pizza? Pineapple or no?

haha yes pineapple with italian sausage. But pepperoni is my favorite. Real pepperoni, not digital pepperoni, although I know most eaters can't taste the difference. How about you? Pineapple?

Pineapple on pizza... hmm... I think we may have found the problem.

Why does this get people so worked up? I like it when presented to me, but never go out of the way to order it.

I don't know, but speaking for myself it was just a joke.

michael_m

@NeuM said:
I don't know, but speaking for myself it was just a joke.

Putting pineapple on pizza? Yes, must be a joke - surely no one can be serious about liking it.

hes

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@craftycurate said:
Has anyone tried this on an older device e.g. Demo version consumes 70% CPU in Ableton, so I'm kind of expecting this to bring my iPad Pro 2017 to its knees!

I've played the standalone on my 2017 pro with no problems. Haven't tried it in AUM with much else going on though.

Mariana does seem to be quite a bit more cpu intensive than Moog Model D, which I already don't consider a lightweight synth. On my iPad Pro (2017) I get about 25% usage in AUM with Model D loaded, regardless of how I play and only slightly more with polyphonic. With Mariana it's about 40% and goes up over 60% sometimes, with just single instance.

I assume an upcoming update will be working on optimizing things. Or maybe not, they'll just consider it as "usable" with most old iPads and "more usable" with more recent iPads.

Slam_Cut

@michael_m said:
I’m glad to hear anyone say no thank you or just ignore me when I offer advice, but it’s a little disconcerting when someone reads Ill-intent into it.

I agree with you, but I am not part of the current zeitgeist (I’ll try to be delicate and leave it at that). I for one have appreciated your informative answers, so while one person who should may not, rest assured that there are others that learn from the answers given.

jebni

@HotStrange said:

@johnfromberkeley said:

@HotStrange said:

@johnfromberkeley said:
Just came here to say that I think Moog was especially generous with the factory presets. Well I create my own patches, I like demoing presets to see what a synth is capable of.

Agreed. I may even end up using some of the factory presets because they’re so good. Maybe with a few minor tweaks.

They’re really is nothing wrong with that, and sometimes it’s a great strategy. Good preset designers are often seeking out and imagined ideal. It’s a composite sound of a sound they’ve heard before. In the same way you’d pick up a Stradivarius, it’s fun to pick up patches made by people who have a deep well to draw on in crafting them.

Agreed. I mean a lot of people predominantly use presets or even ONLY use presets. I rarely do but sometimes they’re just good enough in their own.

As will be somewhat obvious, I love a good preset, and adored spotting D-50 presets in late ’80s and early ’90s hit singles. I wiggle knobs (!) quite a bit, but don't really know what I'm doing, alas.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@Slam_Cut said:

@michael_m said:
I’m glad to hear anyone say no thank you or just ignore me when I offer advice, but it’s a little disconcerting when someone reads Ill-intent into it.

I agree with you, but I am not part of the current zeitgeist (I’ll try to be delicate and leave it at that).

The current zeitgeist is that we're all alienated from the current zeitgeist.

Slam_Cut

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
The current zeitgeist is that we're all alienated from the current zeitgeist.

😂

craftycurate

@hes said:

@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

@craftycurate said:
Has anyone tried this on an older device e.g. Demo version consumes 70% CPU in Ableton, so I'm kind of expecting this to bring my iPad Pro 2017 to its knees!

I've played the standalone on my 2017 pro with no problems. Haven't tried it in AUM with much else going on though.

Mariana does seem to be quite a bit more cpu intensive than Moog Model D, which I already don't consider a lightweight synth. On my iPad Pro (2017) I get about 25% usage in AUM with Model D loaded, regardless of how I play and only slightly more with polyphonic. With Mariana it's about 40% and goes up over 60% sometimes, with just single instance.

I assume an upcoming update will be working on optimizing things. Or maybe not, they'll just consider it as "usable" with most old iPads and "more usable" with more recent iPads.

Useful thanks!

HotStrange

@jebni said:

@HotStrange said:

@johnfromberkeley said:

@HotStrange said:

@johnfromberkeley said:
Just came here to say that I think Moog was especially generous with the factory presets. Well I create my own patches, I like demoing presets to see what a synth is capable of.

Agreed. I may even end up using some of the factory presets because they’re so good. Maybe with a few minor tweaks.

They’re really is nothing wrong with that, and sometimes it’s a great strategy. Good preset designers are often seeking out and imagined ideal. It’s a composite sound of a sound they’ve heard before. In the same way you’d pick up a Stradivarius, it’s fun to pick up patches made by people who have a deep well to draw on in crafting them.

Agreed. I mean a lot of people predominantly use presets or even ONLY use presets. I rarely do but sometimes they’re just good enough in their own.

As will be somewhat obvious, I love a good preset, and adored spotting D-50 presets in late ’80s and early ’90s hit singles. I wiggle knobs (!) quite a bit, but don't really know what I'm doing, alas.

Haha I’m more of a tweaker but so still love a good preset. Especially with the all those classic workstations like the D50, Triton, Wavestation, etc.

amcjen

@johnfromberkeley said:
Just came here to say that I think Moog was especially generous with the factory presets. Well I create my own patches, I like demoing presets to see what a synth is capable of.

Couldn't agree more. I was 🤏 close to buying a Moog Minitaur as I really needed something to handle raw bass duties for a live industrial/darkwave setup. Then comes along Mariana, and in about two hours of really sitting down with it with my main controller (that has great sequencing and arps), a dozen song starts fell out of this thing--all from presets.

I'm so grateful that Moog has made truly classic synths purely in software. Despite the CPU hit, it's pretty clear to me this will be an instant classic.

amcjen

@MoogMusicInc said:

• a collapsible/expandable keyboard for the plugin version, thanks for asking for it, we weren't sure if people would want it or not

Though I fully realize that this is purely a cosmetic thing, it would be awesome to see the Animoog keyboard graphics come over too instead of the solid color blocks. It would really carry over the intuitive touch-response that Animoog and Model 15 have.

❤️ your friends at Moog

Love this so much, thank you for Mariana!

gregsmith

Moog have just got back to me to say that unfortunately, there are no current plans for the release of Mariana on iPhone. Big shame considering all their other apps are on there. This would have completed my mobile Moog rack nicely. Will probably still get it on iPad anyway.