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Moog Mariana Bass Synthesizer

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  • SamuSamu

    @Slush said:
    More often than not when I try to modulate a dial it jumps to the modulation section, is it me? As far as I know there’s nothing wrong with my fingers..

    Since a 'long tap' is used to access the modulation section maybe it's the slow movements that trigger it?
    Classic case for triggering the 'long-tap' would be to 'latch' the finger on the cut-off knob prior to moving the knob.

    Preferably there should be an option to disable long-tap to enter modulation section (it's easy enough to manually open the modulation section and tap on a knob to modulate, no need for 'long-tap' here to do the same thing).

    It's quite obvious that proper touch-integration for Moog Mariana is/was an 'after thought' and this would also explain the missing keyboard in the AUv3, use of the tiny font-sizes, and almost expecting all users to use a keyboard and mouse with the app...

    For me the iPad is and will always be a 'touch first' device and not a 'laptop-replacement'.

    And Yes @Slush You're not alone in getting slightly annoyed by the modulation section popping up...

  • SlushSlush

    @Samu said:

    @Slush said:
    More often than not when I try to modulate a dial it jumps to the modulation section, is it me? As far as I know there’s nothing wrong with my fingers..

    Preferably there should be an option to disable long-tap to enter modulation section (it's easy enough to manually open the modulation section and tap on a knob to modulate, no need for 'long-tap' here to do the same thing).

    This, exactly. I often tweak the cutoff with chirurgical precision, slight modulations, but Mariana seems not to like that. I hope for that ‘disable long-tap’ button.

  • SamuSamu

    @Slush said:

    @Samu said:

    @Slush said:
    More often than not when I try to modulate a dial it jumps to the modulation section, is it me? As far as I know there’s nothing wrong with my fingers..

    Preferably there should be an option to disable long-tap to enter modulation section (it's easy enough to manually open the modulation section and tap on a knob to modulate, no need for 'long-tap' here to do the same thing).

    This, exactly. I often tweak the cutoff with chirurgical precision, slight modulations, but Mariana seems not to like that. I hope for that ‘disable long-tap’ button.

    There's plenty of small things to fix, when using an external mouse/track-pad the finger on the touch-keyboard get hi-jacked by the mouse...

    Ie. when I play the on-screen keyboard with a finger down and move the mouse it will trigger notes.

    And another one is that the modulation depth is shown with two decimals but the decimals can not be used, so if I want to use a modulation depth of 8.33% (ie. exactly one semi-tone) it's rounded down to 8.00%.

    Oh well, I guess in due time these things will be ironed out or something...

  • BruquesBruques

    @Slush said:

    @Samu said:

    @Slush said:
    More often than not when I try to modulate a dial it jumps to the modulation section, is it me? As far as I know there’s nothing wrong with my fingers..

    Preferably there should be an option to disable long-tap to enter modulation section (it's easy enough to manually open the modulation section and tap on a knob to modulate, no need for 'long-tap' here to do the same thing).

    This, exactly. I often tweak the cutoff with chirurgical precision, slight modulations, but Mariana seems not to like that. I hope for that ‘disable long-tap’ button.

    Same experience over here. Yep would like to turn it off

  • SamuSamu

    @Bruques said:

    @Slush said:

    @Samu said:

    @Slush said:
    More often than not when I try to modulate a dial it jumps to the modulation section, is it me? As far as I know there’s nothing wrong with my fingers..

    Preferably there should be an option to disable long-tap to enter modulation section (it's easy enough to manually open the modulation section and tap on a knob to modulate, no need for 'long-tap' here to do the same thing).

    This, exactly. I often tweak the cutoff with chirurgical precision, slight modulations, but Mariana seems not to like that. I hope for that ‘disable long-tap’ button.

    Same experience over here. Yep would like to turn it off

    As @MoogMusicInc visits this forum from time to time we can always try to tag them and feed them with some suggestion nuggets to help make their products even better :sunglasses:

  • magnusovimagnusovi

    @Slush said:
    More often than not when I try to modulate a dial it jumps to the modulation section, is it me? As far as I know there’s nothing wrong with my fingers..

    Your fingers a delicacy in some places!!! 10/10

  • Nathi94Nathi94

    Has someone tried it with a basic iPad 8/9/10 and how the cpu is? I guess it is heavy like other Moog synths but hopefully not even more cpu hungry.

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Nathi94 said:
    Has someone tried it with a basic iPad 8/9/10 and how the cpu is? I guess it is heavy like other Moog synths but hopefully not even more cpu hungry.

    With a buffer of 256 in AUM, I can only open 4 instances on my M1 iPad before I get crackling. A single instance takes up about 30% dsp…so yeah, it is a pretty heavy plugin.

  • SamuSamu

    @Gavinski said:

    @Nathi94 said:
    Has someone tried it with a basic iPad 8/9/10 and how the cpu is? I guess it is heavy like other Moog synths but hopefully not even more cpu hungry.

    With a buffer of 256 in AUM, I can only open 4 instances on my M1 iPad before I get crackling. A single instance takes up about 30% dsp…so yeah, it is a pretty heavy plugin.

    Too bad AUM doesn't support multi-core processing as I can easily push 10+ instances in LogicPro for iPad without it even starting to sweat...

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @Samu said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Nathi94 said:
    Has someone tried it with a basic iPad 8/9/10 and how the cpu is? I guess it is heavy like other Moog synths but hopefully not even more cpu hungry.

    With a buffer of 256 in AUM, I can only open 4 instances on my M1 iPad before I get crackling. A single instance takes up about 30% dsp…so yeah, it is a pretty heavy plugin.

    Too bad AUM doesn't support multi-core processing as I can easily push 10+ instances in LogicPro for iPad without it even starting to sweat...

    Yeah, definitely…can’t remember whether @j_liljedahl has mentioned that multicore will come, but I’d imagine that soon it will be sth ppl expect rather than a ‘would be nice to have’ thing.

  • Nathi94Nathi94

    @Gavinski said:

    @Nathi94 said:
    Has someone tried it with a basic iPad 8/9/10 and how the cpu is? I guess it is heavy like other Moog synths but hopefully not even more cpu hungry.

    With a buffer of 256 in AUM, I can only open 4 instances on my M1 iPad before I get crackling. A single instance takes up about 30% dsp…so yeah, it is a pretty heavy plugin.

    Ouch, yeah that sounds heavy.

  • 5k31055k3105

    @Gavinski said:

    @Nathi94 said:
    Has someone tried it with a basic iPad 8/9/10 and how the cpu is? I guess it is heavy like other Moog synths but hopefully not even more cpu hungry.

    With a buffer of 256 in AUM, I can only open 4 instances on my M1 iPad before I get crackling. A single instance takes up about 30% dsp…so yeah, it is a pretty heavy plugin.

    A single instance is 30% but each additional instance only adds 10% for me

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @5k3105 said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Nathi94 said:
    Has someone tried it with a basic iPad 8/9/10 and how the cpu is? I guess it is heavy like other Moog synths but hopefully not even more cpu hungry.

    With a buffer of 256 in AUM, I can only open 4 instances on my M1 iPad before I get crackling. A single instance takes up about 30% dsp…so yeah, it is a pretty heavy plugin.

    A single instance is 30% but each additional instance only adds 10% for me

    I think I tried it with another patch than the default patch, so that could be a factor. I figured the default patch would be lighter on cpu. Anyway, someone on an older iPad will definitely not be running many of these, that's the main takeaway!

  • Robin2Robin2

    Apologies if this has already been answered somewhere in this thread.

    As we all know, there’s no keyboard in the AU version. So the workaround would be to use a separate mpe keyboard plug-in to control it in a host - I’ve just realised that Animoog Z loaded in front of it in Drambo offers an acceptable workaround in this regard.

    How can the Correction/Note quantization control be accessed in the AU though? Indeed, can it be accessed?

  • LuxthorLuxthor
    edited December 2023

    Also, every MoogerFooger got updated CV compatibility with Mariana.

  • 5k31055k3105

    @Samu said:
    Will Moog Mariana do C64-Style Chip Arpeggios?

    Yes but it's quite tricky to keep them in tune (~8% per semitone) and no way on the iPad (unless using a mouse?) to type in LFO speed manually.

    Missing was showing the duty cycle mod from lfo 3,, but thank you for this!

    I saw this new sid vst 2 days ago, was very impressive, though since it will never be on ios since theres a real emulator inside,

  • ruggedsmoothruggedsmooth

    Some of the patches are nuts! The resonance
    Getting lots of cool stuff out of this
    Bought in on Desktop too
    But yeah, seems some things still to iron out

    What iPad DAWs besides logic have multi-core support?

  • SamuSamu

    @5k3105 said:

    I saw this new sid vst 2 days ago, was very impressive, though since it will never be on ios since theres a real emulator inside,

    Yeah, It's cool the closest we have on iPad is SidTracker 64.
    It works as an IAA and can be midi-controlled when needed.

  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

    @Robin2 said:
    Apologies if this has already been answered somewhere in this thread.

    As we all know, there’s no keyboard in the AU version. So the workaround would be to use a separate mpe keyboard plug-in to control it in a host - I’ve just realised that Animoog Z loaded in front of it in Drambo offers an acceptable workaround in this regard.

    How can the Correction/Note quantization control be accessed in the AU though? Indeed, can it be accessed?

    Seems like that's a setting in the controller app, not the receiver. So long as you have the AU receiver set to mpe it should work fine.

  • ahallamahallam

    @Nathi94 said:
    Has someone tried it with a basic iPad 8/9/10 and how the cpu is? I guess it is heavy like other Moog synths but hopefully not even more cpu hungry.

    On my iPad 7, 2 instances hit DSP usage of ~80% at a buffer of 2048 in AUM.

    It’s closer to ~70% in Cubasis 3 with multicore on max. I can load 3 instances in Cubasis, but only have two of them playing.

    A lot of the presets sound really good layered with each other, but I’ll be printing to audio a lot.

  • 5k31055k3105

    @ahallam said:

    @Nathi94 said:
    Has someone tried it with a basic iPad 8/9/10 and how the cpu is? I guess it is heavy like other Moog synths but hopefully not even more cpu hungry.

    On my iPad 7, 2 instances hit DSP usage of ~80% at a buffer of 2048 in AUM.

    It’s closer to ~70% in Cubasis 3 with multicore on max. I can load 3 instances in Cubasis, but only have two of them playing.

    A lot of the presets sound really good layered with each other, but I’ll be printing to audio a lot.

    4 instances give me 80%, but node statistics show all instances share a single core..

  • Robin2Robin2

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:

    @Robin2 said:
    Apologies if this has already been answered somewhere in this thread.

    As we all know, there’s no keyboard in the AU version. So the workaround would be to use a separate mpe keyboard plug-in to control it in a host - I’ve just realised that Animoog Z loaded in front of it in Drambo offers an acceptable workaround in this regard.

    How can the Correction/Note quantization control be accessed in the AU though? Indeed, can it be accessed?

    Seems like that's a setting in the controller app, not the receiver. So long as you have the AU receiver set to mpe it should work fine.

    Ah, okay, thanks for the help. Cheers.

  • MoogMusicIncMoogMusicInc

    Thanks for all the feedback, we're so happy with how much you're enjoying Mariana. Sorry for the slow response, we've been quite busy this week.

    We're working on several things for a future update:

    • a collapsible/expandable keyboard for the plugin version, thanks for asking for it, we weren't sure if people would want it or not

    • we'll increase the long press time for modulation assignment from 500ms to 1s, if that is still triggering unintended assignments, we'll look at adding an option to disable this gesture. Do note that as soon as you move even one pixel, the long press is canceled and modulation assignment will not trigger no matter how long you hold your finger down

    • improvements to editing patch notes and preset tagging

    Finally here's a tip for those that want to push Mariana further in the sound design department. The knob positions and ranges on the front panel are designed for realtime tweaking while playing. For most parameters you can push the internal rates and values much further by using the modulation editor. The constant modulation source combined with a scale function can get really wild, or an offset function can allow you to push a signal beyond what the front panel allows.

    Have fun with Mariana!

    ❤️ your friends at Moog

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @MoogMusicInc said:
    Thanks for all the feedback, we're so happy with how much you're enjoying Mariana. Sorry for the slow response, we've been quite busy this week.

    We're working on several things for a future update:

    • a collapsible/expandable keyboard for the plugin version, thanks for asking for it, we weren't sure if people would want it or not

    • we'll increase the long press time for modulation assignment from 500ms to 1s, if that is still triggering unintended assignments, we'll look at adding an option to disable this gesture. Do note that as soon as you move even one pixel, the long press is canceled and modulation assignment will not trigger no matter how long you hold your finger down

    • improvements to editing patch notes and preset tagging

    Finally here's a tip for those that want to push Mariana further in the sound design department. The knob positions and ranges on the front panel are designed for realtime tweaking while playing. For most parameters you can push the internal rates and values much further by using the modulation editor. The constant modulation source combined with a scale function can get really wild, or an offset function can allow you to push a signal beyond what the front panel allows.

    Have fun with Mariana!

    ❤️ your friends at Moog

    Great to hear, especially about the keyboard, thank you ☕ 🔥

  • SlushSlush

    Great message from Moog!

  • Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredrWrlds2ndBstGeoshredr
    edited December 2023

    @MoogMusicInc said:

    • a collapsible/expandable keyboard for the plugin version, thanks for asking for it, we weren't sure if people would want it or not

    Do we want it? It's one of the best and most innovative things you've ever coded. Give yourself a pat on the back my man! Yes. We want it.

    And I personally want all of it, just like the original Animoog: correction, custom scale building, etc.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @MoogMusicInc always comes back with a solid answer, which I like.

  • jebnijebni

    Maybe it’s just me, but the presets in the booster packs sound way better than the ones it ships with. ☹️

  • AltruitAltruit

    @Gavinski said:

    @Robin2 said:
    I’ve no doubt that the synth sounds great but i have lots of great sounding synths. The thing which intrigues me about Mariana is the interconnectivity with the Moogerfoogers.

    To those of you who have both, do you now feel that the Moogerfoogers are incomplete without Mariana and vice versa? Would you go that far? Does the connectivity offer that much?

    I have both but haven't used them together. Mariana sounds fantastic, like Slush I've basically only explored presets so far - there are so many and they are so good. I'm sure it will combine well with the moogerfoogers, but I definitely wouldn't say either is incomplete without the others.

    We would just like to confirm that Mariana is the same as Model D and Animoog and the 15… buy the iOS auv3 and have them work in Ableton on M1 machines…

  • robosardinerobosardine

    This has two synths to make your patches with. Is it possible to sync the filter knobs so that if you turn one - they both turn together giving you an ‘overall’ filter twist?

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