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Outer Space by AudioThing (Released)

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  • I just tried it under 17.2 and didn’t get that message.

  • No probs for me on iPhone pro max 13 w/ iOS 17.2

    W

  • Yeah, it seems to be fixed

  • edited January 6

    Just wanted to mention outer space https://apps.apple.com/us/app/outer-space-tape-echo/id6473747074
    it’s about to go to full price within the next 24 hours or less depending where you are I guess

    I just purchased it and I am quite satisfied

    There are lots of presets, which is quite great to get started with
    ✌🏽❤️🤘🏽

  • @hghon said:

    @drconfusion said:
    This is my first space-echo tape effect, since I’m a very firm Binson echorec fan. But I haven’t found a binson emulation on iOS that I love, yet.

    There are 2 delays based on it in MiRack. If you want to check them out it’s Nysthi Echorec and Nysthi Jira Jira

    Very nice thanks for pointing this out

  • @5k3105 said:

    @hghon said:

    @drconfusion said:
    This is my first space-echo tape effect, since I’m a very firm Binson echorec fan. But I haven’t found a binson emulation on iOS that I love, yet.

    There are 2 delays based on it in MiRack. If you want to check them out it’s Nysthi Echorec and Nysthi Jira Jira

    Very nice thanks for pointing this out

    Jira Jira is quite amazing actually. Turning taps on and off with sequencers is fun. The swell, bias, and magnetization controls function very good together 👍 be sure to read the manual to get how they interact.

  • edited January 6

    Bought both nembrini 501 and outer space 2. Also have Re1, K7D and Gs 201. Having had some models of the original Roland space echoes for a long time, IME the nembrini 501 sound very close to the original 501, just keep in mind that the original 201 and 501 are very different sounding, the 501 having companders have way less noise and it’s very stable, that’s the one I had for longer time. The original 201 is dirty in a great fashion specially for guitars, but I always prefer the 501(and the Korg stage echo!,) for synths. Each 201 I’ve played sound differently, the one I owned resembles the sound of Gs201 more. Outer space is great for the large amount of control, but it eats A LOT of cpu cycles, more than 4x nembrini 501 and almost 17x Gs201. I’m attaching a picture from my iPad Air 4 with all the echoes hosted in AUM. I hope audiothing can optimize outer space because for now is useless in my current projects… 🥲

  • @Synthi: re CPU-use, did you try turning down the oversampling in Outer Space? I bet the AU you are comparing it to don't use as much oversampling as Outer Space. I turned it way down.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    @Synthi: re CPU-use, did you try turning down the oversampling in Outer Space? I bet the AU you are comparing it to don't use as much oversampling as Outer Space. I turned it way down.

    Yes! is true that I make the comparison with. outer space default over sampling (16x), turning OS off goes down, but still almost double than nembrini

  • @Synthi said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    @Synthi: re CPU-use, did you try turning down the oversampling in Outer Space? I bet the AU you are comparing it to don't use as much oversampling as Outer Space. I turned it way down.

    Yes! is true that I make the comparison with. outer space default over sampling (16x), turning OS off goes down, but still almost double than nembrini

    Keep in mind that unless you have the CPU stressed so that it is approaching 90-100% those numbers might not really tell you the relative CPU use because of the way that throttling and core allocation works.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @Synthi said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    @Synthi: re CPU-use, did you try turning down the oversampling in Outer Space? I bet the AU you are comparing it to don't use as much oversampling as Outer Space. I turned it way down.

    Yes! is true that I make the comparison with. outer space default over sampling (16x), turning OS off goes down, but still almost double than nembrini

    Keep in mind that unless you have the CPU stressed so that it is approaching 90-100% those numbers might not really tell you the relative CPU use because of the way that throttling and core allocation works.

    Yes, I know that, I have the CPU more than 90% when testing, those numbers must be fine for the Air 4

  • I stumbled over a few bugs. It doesn‘t like 32 samples latency (96khz but no matter what oversampning or“high quality“ off). I have enough power on Pro M1/M2 and all other apps just running fine. The spring reverb starts to crackle badly and the interface“glitches“. I.e pressing a switch and it did reload the plugin.

    64 samples is ok but 16xoversampling is buggy then. It kind of doubles the echo speed. That was only in loopy pro though, ok in AUM

  • Works perfectly fine in MiRack for me

  • @hghon said:
    Works perfectly fine in MiRack for me

    well, and most probably a lot of other people troublefree as well.
    Still, it‘s possible that someone find a bug or two nonetheless ;)

    To be sure, i tested it as well in a new/empty Loopy project with one single instance of outer space

  • The default 16x oversample is not intended, and it's a conversion error from v1 presets. We'll fix this in the next update.
    There's indeed a bug with certain samplerate/oversample combinations, especially if you use long synced values, the resulting time might be longer than the "virtual tape" resulting in wrong delay times. Contact us if you want to get a test flight with the fixes. It might be ready in a couple of days. (desktop users already have access to the beta from their account)

  • @Crabman said:
    I stumbled over a few bugs. It doesn‘t like 32 samples latency (96khz but no matter what oversampning or“high quality“ off). I have enough power on Pro M1/M2 and all other apps just running fine. The spring reverb starts to crackle badly and the interface“glitches“. I.e pressing a switch and it did reload the plugin.

    64 samples is ok but 16xoversampling is buggy then. It kind of doubles the echo speed. That was only in loopy pro though, ok in AUM

    Please report the issue to the developer.

  • @Crabman said:

    @hghon said:
    Works perfectly fine in MiRack for me

    well, and most probably a lot of other people troublefree as well.
    Still, it‘s possible that someone find a bug or two nonetheless ;)

    To be sure, i tested it as well in a new/empty Loopy project with one single instance of outer space

    Oh I wasn’t doubting or minimizing the issues you reported. Sorry if it sounded that way. I was only reporting that I’m not seeing errors when using it in MiRack in case that helps the devs.

  • FWIW, I don't think there is a benefit to using oversampling if one is running at 96k.

  • it does sound amazing.
    at the same time totally different to this two original units i have here.
    and none of those two sounds similar to each other, even if its a "matched pair" from our technician. same tape, similar electronic measurements, still totally different.
    but they are good enough to make a stereo pair.

    @espiegel123 said:
    FWIW, I don't think there is a benefit to using oversampling if one is running at 96k.

    so you say no one will hear the difference past 2,17x times oversampling 🤔

  • @hghon said:

    @Crabman said:

    @hghon said:
    Works perfectly fine in MiRack for me

    well, and most probably a lot of other people troublefree as well.
    Still, it‘s possible that someone find a bug or two nonetheless ;)

    To be sure, i tested it as well in a new/empty Loopy project with one single instance of outer space

    Oh I wasn’t doubting or minimizing the issues you reported. Sorry if it sounded that way. I was only reporting that I’m not seeing errors when using it in MiRack in case that helps the devs.

    all good, i had a bad start in the week anyway sorry if i responded a bit snarky 😉

    @espiegel123

    probably not but the power is there so why not using it. I‘m preparing my 2nd ipad as a hardware fx unit (2 send/returns to/from mixer) hence i want lowest possible latency and maximum audio quality, it gonna replace 2 expensive pedals. Well, i know it sounds a bit weird to ask for best audio quality from…a tape echo 😂 U know what i mean 😉

    @audiothing

    i see, thanks for clearing that up and work on fixes already 👍 i have a testflight account but its collecting dust, i can wait.

  • @Crabman said:

    >

    @espiegel123

    probably not but the power is there so why not using it. I‘m preparing my 2nd ipad as a hardware fx unit (2 send/returns to/from mixer) hence i want lowest possible latency and maximum audio quality, it gonna replace 2 expensive pedals. Well, i know it sounds a bit weird to ask for best audio quality from…a tape echo 😂 U know what i mean 😉

    @audiothing

    i see, thanks for clearing that up and work on fixes already 👍 i have a testflight account but its collecting dust, i can wait.

    Using 16x oversampling when running at 96k is unlikely to improve the quality...and it would come at considerable processing cost and potentially can have artifacts.

    Oversampling is processor intensive.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @Crabman said:

    >

    @espiegel123

    probably not but the power is there so why not using it. I‘m preparing my 2nd ipad as a hardware fx unit (2 send/returns to/from mixer) hence i want lowest possible latency and maximum audio quality, it gonna replace 2 expensive pedals. Well, i know it sounds a bit weird to ask for best audio quality from…a tape echo 😂 U know what i mean 😉

    @audiothing

    i see, thanks for clearing that up and work on fixes already 👍 i have a testflight account but its collecting dust, i can wait.

    Using 16x oversampling when running at 96k is unlikely to improve the quality...and it would come at considerable processing cost and potentially can have artifacts.

    Oversampling is processor intensive.

    true that. would be 32x times oversampling in ios.

  • edited January 16

    @ecou said:
    It sounds great and is so much fun.

    For those new to space echo. Put the Intensity to max and Repeat rate to 50%. Play a note and it should start self oscillating the play with the Repeat rate for hours. 😆

    fark, this is what ive been obsessed with and probably doing it too much on all of my tracks right now but i absolutely love the infinite ever-evolving sounds it can get

  • @Crabman said:
    I stumbled over a few bugs. It doesn‘t like 32 samples latency (96khz but no matter what oversampning or“high quality“ off). I have enough power on Pro M1/M2 and all other apps just running fine. The spring reverb starts to crackle badly and the interface“glitches“. I.e pressing a switch and it did reload the plugin.

    Just wanted to confirm that I, too, got lots of crackles running 96k / 24 bits / buffer of 32, even with oversampling off, with Outer Space in Loopy Pro. Originally I blamed my new guitar interface, a Boss IR-200, which seems to be fixed at those settings. But after I read @Crabman's report, I tried again. I didn't get crackles until I put Outer Space back in the Loopy channel's effect loop.

    @audiothing said:
    There's indeed a bug with certain samplerate/oversample combinations...

    Thank you for bringing this effect to iOS, and for responding so quickly to the conversation here.

  • The TestFlight beta is ready if anyone is interested, please contact us.

  • i've been comparing various delays against a naive MemoryMan style bbd emulation in Drambo for echoic electric guitar. imo, the trick for this style is adding distinct character to echoes in a way that stays balanced with high feedback. i just did a little screen recording comparing Kai Aras RE-1, AudioThing's Outer Space 2 and Nembrini's 501 Chorus Echo. i dialed in RE-1 (using COLOR) and OS2 (using HI CUT) to approximate the Drambo delay. the 501 is not adjustable this way, and is using just the mono left channel for comparison. just fwiw:

  • @bangzero said:
    i've been comparing various delays against a naive MemoryMan style bbd emulation in Drambo for echoic electric guitar. imo, the trick for this style is adding distinct character to echoes in a way that stays balanced with high feedback. i just did a little screen recording comparing Kai Aras RE-1, AudioThing's Outer Space 2 and Nembrini's 501 Chorus Echo. i dialed in RE-1 (using COLOR) and OS2 (using HI CUT) to approximate the Drambo delay. the 501 is not adjustable this way, and is using just the mono left channel for comparison. just fwiw:

    Subtle differences. At first listening NA S501 seems to my ears more interesting, - maybe because I didn’t buy it even if wanted.
    At second listening I think maybe yes maybe not need to buy next delay.

    Could you please do similar video but with faster delay time (more often repetitions)?
    I know it’s some work, and there is no pressure, but I think it would be useful for many to listen diffenences. If you can.
    Thank you.

  • edited February 8

    @szczyp said:
    Could you please do similar video but with faster delay time (more often repetitions)?
    I know it’s some work, and there is no pressure, but I think it would be useful for many to listen diffenences. If you can.
    Thank you.

    here are a few more:

    single high note, faster reps:

    single lower note, faster reps:

    more complex:

  • @bangzero thanks! I like nembrini as I already bought outer space and use w lot Drambo. Useful videos!

  • @bangzero said:

    @szczyp said:
    Could you please do similar video but with faster delay time (more often repetitions)?
    I know it’s some work, and there is no pressure, but I think it would be useful for many to listen diffenences. If you can.
    Thank you.

    here are a few more:

    I only own the Re-1 from this lineup. Still sounds good, if perhaps a little clean. In some examples OS2 takes it, but overall I think the BBD emulation is my favourite. Of course, OS2 has all that great flexibility when it comes to heads behaviour.

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