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  • @u0421793 said:
    It’s more than just a rompler – rompler implies that the sound is (in those days) in digital memory as a sample, maybe has looping for the sustain portion, maybe is multisampled up and down the keyboard to some degree, maybe both, but other than that you’re not going to be able to alter the nature of the sound much so that the bird telephone helicopter applause and the gunshot are always going to recognisably be that sound every time people hear your song

    The M1 along with a few others back in it’s contemporary day would go in a slightly different direction and use a synthesiser architecture that resembled a subtractive synth (but in the case of the M1 the digital filter wasn’t anything like an analogue filter back then in those days, it was mathematically correct but not really musically useful) – the ‘ROM’ aspect was purely a source of sound that took the place of the VCO on prior synths, and there was two such oscillators (followed by a mixer into a controllable filter (VDF) into a controllable amplitude module (VDA) and then onward into a pair of effects to hide all the faults and sell loads of synths, thus ensuring that a good supply of old obsolete analogue gear would be traded in to get that seductive lush chorus and reverb etc

    The M1 came from a day when software engineers were untamed, wild, uncouth, often uncivilised and certainly not likely to get invited to parties, thus they had absolutely no self control and simply poured every possible parameter that could be changed into the “user interface” allowing the user to be baffled at every step faced with an insane — literally insane — amount of parameters on every single page, none of which were prioritised, all of which seemed exactly as important as any other, most of which were a list, none of which were explained properly on the instrument itself, and consequently the cognitive overload is just so stupidly high as to be guaranteed every time

    So most people just played the presets, and really if they’re going to do that it may as well have just been a rompler, but it’s actually a fairly brave attempt at a proper actual synthesiser

    Such a great text and information!
    Thanks to mr Knowledge, Ian Tindale!

  • @kirmesteggno said:
    There's also a PDF Manual for the iM1 which wasnt easy to find online.

    Tap on Info in the app, then Manual; not so hard to find. It also offers the original M1 hardware manual, which the iM1 manual references for details.

  • @uncledave said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    There's also a PDF Manual for the iM1 which wasnt easy to find online.

    Tap on Info in the app, then Manual; not so hard to find. It also offers the original M1 hardware manual, which the iM1 manual references for details.

    I often read manuals before I buy.

  • @kirmesteggno said:

    @uncledave said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    There's also a PDF Manual for the iM1 which wasnt easy to find online.

    Tap on Info in the app, then Manual; not so hard to find. It also offers the original M1 hardware manual, which the iM1 manual references for details.

    I often read manuals before I buy.

    Just the opposite to all others here, including me - buy everything that looks nice - get depressed that you ain’t got the time to use all fantastic apps - everything on repeat…

    RTFM friends!

  • Anyone else experiencing disappearing user presets?
    I created a preset (in the AUv3 version) before lunch yesterday and it was still there in the afternoon...now it's gone... :/

  • @lasselu said:
    Anyone else experiencing disappearing user presets?
    I created a preset (in the AUv3 version) before lunch yesterday and it was still there in the afternoon...now it's gone... :/

    Hi. I believe you need to use the File menu (upper left) and save the iM1 session to make them stick. This sort of mimics the way the original worked with the cards, where data was just in memory until you actually wrote to the card.

  • @HolyMoses said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @uncledave said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    There's also a PDF Manual for the iM1 which wasnt easy to find online.

    Tap on Info in the app, then Manual; not so hard to find. It also offers the original M1 hardware manual, which the iM1 manual references for details.

    I often read manuals before I buy.

    Just the opposite to all others here, including me - buy everything that looks nice - get depressed that you ain’t got the time to use all fantastic apps - everything on repeat…

    RTFM friends!

    I do that too I have to admit, but Synths priced $30+ (if not on sale) are a different beast for me. I that case I was waiting for a sale and thought it would be nice to read the manual when going for a shit!

    The pile of magazines and brochures next to the shitter isn't was it used to be since I use the iPad!

  • @uncledave said:

    @lasselu said:
    Anyone else experiencing disappearing user presets?
    I created a preset (in the AUv3 version) before lunch yesterday and it was still there in the afternoon...now it's gone... :/

    Hi. I believe you need to use the File menu (upper left) and save the iM1 session to make them stick. This sort of mimics the way the original worked with the cards, where data was just in memory until you actually wrote to the card.

    Ah, ok...thanks...

  • @tja said:

    @dalton34gr said:

    @tja said:

    @HolyMoses said:

    @tja said:

    @Tones4Christ said:
    I always loved the M1. Our band couldn't afford one so we had yo settle with a used Roland D20. Loved that old synth too! But then the Korg Trinity V3 came out and that was the ultimate! Drooled and drooled for years until I was able to buy a used one. Never looked back! Still own that silver beautiful beast!

    Never heard about Korg Trinity.
    Is there an App too?

    Hmmm… Is that only some irony from mr Tja?

    If not, Korg Trinity series is legendary…

    No, I have zero idea about hardware synths, that's a fact.
    But if it's a good hardware, I always like to check out similar Apps!

    Korg Triton Is Interesting it’s an app for Mac And PC On The Module Pro App You Have Some Triton Sounds To Check For 7 Days Free
    Wavestation Is On iOS As iWavestation Great Synth 01W also (Mac-PC)

    Ah, I don't have Module Pro, but iWavestation ... thanks!

    The Korg Trinity V3 was a complete digital recording studio workstation! You could hook up an external SCSI hard drive and record audio/midi into the Trinity! It was truly ground breaking and the very first if I'm not mistaken, to have a full touch screen!

    I eventually sold all the internals, like the V3 card and the Oasys synth card, I don't quite recall, but only kept the ADAT digital out card.

    Now I only use it as my main mido controller. It still has a working floppy disk drive!!!! But I lost all my floppies :'(

    I love that Silver Beast. Google the Korg Trinity V3 and you'll see how awesome it was. The sound was thick and luscious with the amazing internal insert effects! Only down side was that it was only 32 notes polyphony but the sound was so huge that it didn't matter.

    When the replacement came from Korg, the Korg Triton, Korg had no choice but to thin out the sounds and double up the polyphony to 64 voices. Everyone knew the sounds where from the Trinity, but thinned down.

    I am so grateful to still have my Korg Trinity! I really wish Korg would release it as an AU gadget! That would be so amazing!

  • @u0421793
    Have to say, I’ve really enjoyed reading your comments/opinions on the Korg catalogue. You’ve a great writing style. Thanks very much 🍻

  • I've done some experimenting with saving Programs (presets) in iM1, and here's what I've learned.

    Saving a Program:
    • Tap on (old) name to open Browser
    • Tap Write
    • Select card and Double Tap on new slot
    • Update Program name in popup window
    • Done
    This procedure is completely different from that described in the iM1 manual.

    Programs written to the Library cards by the stand-alone app are saved automatically, so they are available to the stand-alone and AUv3 instances. Programs written to Library cards by the AUv3 are only visible to other AUv3 instances. If you open the stand-alone app, it overwrites the Library cards with its last view of them. This is inconvenient. It means that, if you never open the stand-alone iM1 app, you can save programs to Library cards in the AUv3, and they will persist.

    You can make new Programs created by the AUv3 permanent and accessible to all by:
    • Saving them to a User card in the AUv3.
    • Saving the Session (File, Save As) with a unique name.
    • Opening the saved Session in stand-alone.
    • Moving each Program from the User card to a Library slot.

    This is convoluted, but may be necessary due to the difference in file access between the AUv3 and stand-alone. By the way, the Session files appear in the iM1 folder of the Files app, so they may be portable.

    I apologize if this is incomplete, but it's taken a couple of hours of mostly failed attempts switching between the iM1 app and the AUv3 loaded in AUM.

  • @uncledave said:
    I've done some experimenting with saving Programs (presets) in iM1, and here's what I've learned.

    Saving a Program:
    • Tap on (old) name to open Browser
    • Tap Write
    • Select card and Double Tap on new slot
    • Update Program name in popup window
    • Done
    This procedure is completely different from that described in the iM1 manual.

    Programs written to the Library cards by the stand-alone app are saved automatically, so they are available to the stand-alone and AUv3 instances. Programs written to Library cards by the AUv3 are only visible to other AUv3 instances. If you open the stand-alone app, it overwrites the Library cards with its last view of them. This is inconvenient. It means that, if you never open the stand-alone iM1 app, you can save programs to Library cards in the AUv3, and they will persist.

    You can make new Programs created by the AUv3 permanent and accessible to all by:
    • Saving them to a User card in the AUv3.
    • Saving the Session (File, Save As) with a unique name.
    • Opening the saved Session in stand-alone.
    • Moving each Program from the User card to a Library slot.

    This is convoluted, but may be necessary due to the difference in file access between the AUv3 and stand-alone. By the way, the Session files appear in the iM1 folder of the Files app, so they may be portable.

    I apologize if this is incomplete, but it's taken a couple of hours of mostly failed attempts switching between the iM1 app and the AUv3 loaded in AUM.

    Well done!
    Good to know for Korg iM1 lovers!
    Thanks!

  • wimwim
    edited April 6

    I'm relieved to see that they took advantage of the AUv3 release to further obfuscate the bizarre preset save process. It would be a shame to see such an opportunity go to waste.

  • 😂🤣

  • @wim said:
    I'm relieved to see that they took advantage of the AUv3 release to further obfuscate the bizarre preset save process. It would be a shame to see such an opportunity go to waste.

    Well said, sir. I'm still trying to come to grips with the Session concept. When I create a preset, I normally expect it to be available everywhere, for all time. The original M1 was a "Music Workstation", so temporary Session presets may make sense in that context. They seem like just added cruft for an iOS synth app.

  • @wim said:
    I'm relieved to see that they took advantage of the AUv3 release to further obfuscate the bizarre preset save process. It would be a shame to see such an opportunity go to waste.

    🤦‍♂️😂😂

  • @Fear2Stop said:

    @MrSmileZ said:
    The Korg iM1 (darwin) interface on iPhone in garageband is the tiniest one I’ve seen to date.

    How bad? Worse than Wavecloud or ba-1?

    It’s very teeny

  • Hi. I'm an iM1 newB, attracted by the combo of sale price and AUv3 support. I've done a bit of digging and thought I might share what I've learned.

    First, yes, it is a synth. Actually 16 synths, grouped in 8 pairs. Each synth is a typical subtractive synth including Oscillator, VDF (low-pass filter), and VDA (amplifier). The Osc is the ROMpler part, because you can select from 900 different waveforms. Some are traditional synth waves (saw, square, pulse); some are generated (DWGS); some are characteristic PCM instrument sound samples; and some are multisampled (for different note ranges). Each Osc, VDF, and VDA has an Envelope Generator (EG). Each pair of Oscs, VDFs, and VDAs has an LFO (MG) with a wide range of options. Finally, the output of each pair of synths is sent through two IFX (insert effects).

    You can either play a single synth pair (a Program), or create a Combi with up to eight Timbres (Programs) playing simultaneously. Each Timbre can be limited to a specific range of notes and velocities. If you tap the Combi button and open the browser, it offers Combi presets like FilmScore.

    The envelopes are interesting, because they are more than the typical 4-parameter ADSR. Each of the four stages has both a time and an end level, so they are capable of generating a wide variety of effects. You adjust the envelopes graphically, by dragging the endpoints. The osc pitch and filter cutoff envelopes are bipolar; they can go above and below the nominal value. Both envelope amplitude and evolution speed can be modulated by velocity or note value. Note that the "Time" modulation is actually speed; positive modulation is faster. You'd likely never use all these features at once, but they all have their uses. It is somewhat inconvenient that every envelope is independent; to have the same envelope for both filter and amp, you'd have to set them up the same. And there are no handy editing modes (copy, paste). Apparently, the VST plugin has some useful editing features, but iM1 is very basic.

    Filter keyboard tracking needs a bit of explanation. When tracking is set to zero, tracking is perfect; cutoff varies with each note (this differs from most synths). Setting tracking to -50 cancels this effect, making the cutoff remain constant for all notes. Tracking between zero and -50 is likely the choice for most conventional instrument sounds. The filter cutoff control is uncalibrated, but a setting of 19 puts cutoff at the note pitch. Each change of about 9 units changes cutoff by an octave. If the tracking setting is not zero, this description applies at the configured Center Key. I tested these features using a saw wave, with filter resonance set to 99, so there's a sharp peak at cutoff.

    External control capabilities are limited. Each Program can respond to CCs 1, 2, and 92, to alter amplitude and frequency of the MG on Osc, VDF, and VDA respectively. The AUv3 parameters include eight Performance Parameters that can alter the sound of each Timbre. They are pre-defined and include Osc Balance, Filter Cutoff, etc. These are bias amounts that offset the preset values of those parameters. The Performance Parameters can also be accessed directly by built-in MIDI CCs.

    References:
    Korg M1 Owner's Manual
    The AI Synthesis System
    Korg iM1 for iPad Owner's Manual
    SOS Review of iM1

  • @uncledave Good and generous work there Mister.

  • Knocked out an instrumental I was actually pleased with in record time.

    With iM1 Auv3, (and patterning AUV3 on the way) iPad now meets 99.99 % of all my feature requests.

    I can live with that so will continue the journey of 🤐ing it online.

  • @uncledave fantastic breakdown, that's very helpful - thanks!

  • Don’t forget to leave a review on Appstore for Korg iM1!

  • DavDav
    edited April 9

    Thanks @uncledave for your post. Helpful info.

  • Bought the iM1 due to sale and AUv3 update. I've been tinkering with it and going through the manual a good bit. The is one thing i can't seem to find in the manual. For outputs for the timbre, what is the difference between main and sub? Why is one selected over the other? What do they do differently?

    Thanks.

  • @Pab1oXB said:
    Bought the iM1 due to sale and AUv3 update. I've been tinkering with it and going through the manual a good bit. The is one thing i can't seem to find in the manual. For outputs for the timbre, what is the difference between main and sub? Why is one selected over the other? What do they do differently?

    Thanks.

    Hi. Main and Sub are the "top" and "bottom" inputs to the MFX. So, depending on whether the MFX are series or parallel, you can send a timbre through different MFX. Remember that each Timbre has its two IFX as well, so that's quite a stack of effects; maybe a few too many.

  • Is there a way to access the “scales” from the stand alone, in the AUv3 plugin?

  • @musikeer said:
    Is there a way to access the “scales” from the stand alone, in the AUv3 plugin?

    I don't think so. They're part of the stand-alone screen keyboard. There are AUv3 MIDI plug-ins that do scales.

  • @uncledave said:

    @musikeer said:
    Is there a way to access the “scales” from the stand alone, in the AUv3 plugin?

    I don't think so. They're part of the stand-alone screen keyboard. There are AUv3 MIDI plug-ins that do scales.

    Can recommend KB-1 as an Midi-controller app with scales etc...

    Sure, there's a lot of them out there!

  • @uncledave - that post is pure gold. What would you think of putting it into a page on the wiki?

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