Cubasis 3 - still worth it?

Cambler

@charalew said:
Two comments. There are a couple of MIDI AUs that don't work properly in Cubasis but do work in other AU hosts. Polybeat and KB1 being two examples. It's not clear whether the problem is with Cubasis or those specific apps but they both work in AUM. Personally, I live with this and use alternative apps because I have Cubase on Windows and want to be able to start projects on the iPad and finish them in Windows. As you have Logic on desktop though, that sounds like a good argument in favour of Logic in your case?

In regards to KB1, one of the other midi plugins from the same dev, Harmonicer, had the same issue however he fixed it. I’ve bugged him (nicely!) about updating KB1 as I believe it’s the same fix however he hasn’t got to it yet. Another gentle reminder from another customer won’t hurt 😊

LinearLineman

@ecou said:
Btw, how many of iOS DAW could handle 35 tracks songs ? Only the multi treaded DAW.

Here’s the song, it was for Halloween.

That’s good.

AudioGus

@ecou said:
I had more synths and guitar amp Auv3 than samples tracks

In BM3 sample tracks and audio tracks are the same cpu wise. But yah, tracks themselves are not really an issue, we can get tons on a pro in just about anything now. It is those pesky plugins that add up.

jwmmakerofmusic

@ecou
I was responding to the OP about midi generator.

Well you tagged me in the response, so I assume it was directed at me, lol. Kindly read back your reply and see how it could've been mistaken for being a reply to me. Paragraphs and separaters are key to no confusion caused. (Hope I'm not coming off as overcritical or terse, as this is not my intention mate.)

Anyways, @yellow_eyez also convinced me I should someday give N-Track a shot. Seems very nice, but only once I can afford it. Meanwhile, I'll just keep going in Logic Pro (and Garageband for initiating ideas on the go).

The UI left bar is a bit weird but once you get It it's a great DAW. But I only made one song in it. I have not pushed its limit yet.

That's one thing I like to do is push limits in a DAW. I've yet to push Logic Pro to the brink yet, but perhaps I will soon. I made a slow Technoish styled track and now a short orchestral track in Logic Pro. The orchestral track will act as the intro to my upcoming EP/Album (depending on how many tracks I feel like producing in it).

I still have to give Logic a proper chance by using it to create a song since I use it for AI mastering. I also bought NS2 but the UI is really not as instant as I would have hoped.

I have DAW coming out of everywhere 😁

Lol. Same with me. (Yes I know you're replying to @LinearLineman , but I'll reply to this one too.) I love NS2 for its Obsidian synth, but I'm finding that Logic Pro, while I'm a little slower in it, is a bit easier to find stuff in. I can for instance type in the name of a synth and load it into a MIDI track no problem whatsoever. I can go directly to my samples folders in that new sample browser as well and quickly load in what I need for drum oneshots and such.

Yes, I learned how to use Drum Machine Designer today and am chuffed with it. More to learn tomorrow. And, once I'm done with a track in Logic Pro, I can simply slap on the AI Mastering, and voila. I have a track ready to upload to SoundCloud.

Telstar5

@yellow_eyez : Udemy has a good LP4 tutorial from Tomas George as well as a brand new series he’s working on at present . It’s cheap, too.

Telstar5

@ecou : Ntrak have some of the best native sound libraries

Telstar5

@jwmmakerofmusic : I’m ADHD .. I need things “over explained “ lol

ecou

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@ecou
I was responding to the OP about midi generator.

Well you tagged me in the response, so I assume it was directed at me, lol. Kindly read back your reply and see how it could've been mistaken for being a reply to me. Paragraphs and separaters are key to no confusion caused. (Hope I'm not coming off as overcritical or terse, as this is not my intention mate.)

I was responding to the OP about the midi generator and I was giving you a wink about finding Cubasis to be a very nice looking DAW since you said it was ugly. 😉

Anyways, @yellow_eyez also convinced me I should someday give N-Track a shot. Seems very nice, but only once I can afford it. Meanwhile, I'll just keep going in Logic Pro (and Garageband for initiating ideas on the go).

The UI left bar is a bit weird but once you get It it's a great DAW. But I only made one song in it. I have not pushed its limit yet.

That's one thing I like to do is push limits in a DAW. I've yet to push Logic Pro to the brink yet, but perhaps I will soon. I made a slow Technoish styled track and now a short orchestral track in Logic Pro. The orchestral track will act as the intro to my upcoming EP/Album (depending on how many tracks I feel like producing in it).

I still have to give Logic a proper chance by using it to create a song since I use it for AI mastering. I also bought NS2 but the UI is really not as instant as I would have hoped.

I have DAW coming out of everywhere 😁

Lol. Same with me. (Yes I know you're replying to @LinearLineman , but I'll reply to this one too.) I love NS2 for its Obsidian synth, but I'm finding that Logic Pro, while I'm a little slower in it, is a bit easier

Actually I was not at all responding to LinearLineman. I guess I confused everybody as I am confused with al the DAW I have. 😂😂

jwmmakerofmusic

@Telstar5 said:
@jwmmakerofmusic : I’m ADHD .. I need things “over explained “ lol

I have ADHD too, so I understand 💯 lol! Bless you, mate. ❤️

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@ecou Holy moly, I'm laughing so hard right now. 😂 I have no idea who or what you're replying to. Just tell me the name of your dealer, mate, because I want the shit you're toking, haha. I wouldn't mind getting so high I can't tell my feet from my hands. 🤪

Okay, I guess we can agree to disagree about Cubasis' UI. I will also say that the plain-jane UIs of Logic's synths are ugly too. 😆 More utilitarian than lovely to look at, I admit. But so long as Cubasis 3 gets the job done for you personally, that's all that matters.

oldsynthguy

Thanks for the extra info - keep it coming!

I’ll try and make time for Doug’s ‘Getting Started’ vid today, and the fact he seems to use it as his main DAW must mean it’s pretty stable.

Anyone know how long the sale is for, and is it worth getting without the IAP’s?

filo01

@ecou said:
But it does not work with certain type of midi generator like iBassist.

Could you please provide more information? What is wrong with iBassist in Cubasis?

ecou

@filo01 said:

@ecou said:
But it does not work with certain type of midi generator like iBassist.

Could you please provide more information? What is wrong with iBassist in Cubasis?

In Audiobus I can load iBassist as an audio generator or as a midi generator. In Cubasis iBassist only shows as an audio generator not as a midi generator.

yellow_eyez

@ecou

yes, I found Cubasis 3’s limits to be resolved with AEMS and n-track, but the latter just worked for me workflow wise. They have almost all the features missing and are practically on par with Logic. I personally don’t need AI session players, so i looked at everything else

N-track studio pro 10 has among other things

PDC
Multi threading
Aux/mix busses/audio routing
MIDI learn
BPM/time sig changes
External gear control
Drum pattern editor
Markers
Instruments/synths/fx
Sampler
(A cool drum kit you can finger drum with that’s mapped to GM or whatever )
Vocal harmonizer/pitch correction
….even AI stem split

The worry over those features^ caused me to research more and more over the past year and n-track studio pro is maybe be the most feature packed iOS/ipad DAW and I would recommend this to anyone who asks me what to get for iPad. (Idk if they do sales but $30
For the base app one time purchase ; $30 for the full instrument/synth IAP)

The n-track developers are very active, extremely responsive, and super nice and helpful. They take feature requests and implement them , and update frequently . It’s priced very reasonably, and is actually quite a good price for what you get. If you’re in the market for a pro DAW on iPad, and aren’t sure which to consider, I would rate this as the top choice; either for $30 or for the premium $60 version with 14GB of instruments, synths and loops. I love CB3, and I think AEMS (which is a bargain for such a powerful daw) is also an excellent option and alternative to Logic, but my personal preference and favorite now is leaning towards n-track studio pro 10 [esp if those features are essential]

PS @jwmmakerofmusic best comparison of Cb3 and Logic ever dude

filo01

@ecou said:

@filo01 said:

@ecou said:
But it does not work with certain type of midi generator like iBassist.

Could you please provide more information? What is wrong with iBassist in Cubasis?

In Audiobus I can load iBassist as an audio generator or as a midi generator. In Cubasis iBassist only shows as an audio generator not as a midi generator.

Understand, thank you. I suppose this also means that iBassist as audio generator can't send MIDI out so tracks with MIDI instrument can't receive it.

oldsynthguy

Still trawling through demo videos, but it’s looking like a purchase is on the cards.

Not as flashy and feature rich as Logic, but for the equivalent of 5 months Logic subs, it’s ticking nearly all of my boxes. Basically I’m looking for a version of Auria Pro that doesn’t crash!

Quick question: do the blocks of recorded audio on the timeline, have volume fade-in/out handles as they do in Auria Pro? This was always one if my most used features, allowing quick fades on the timeline rather than clunky sample or ‘inspector’ editing as per Logic.

Edit: I think you can, just seen a Doug video where he makes a fade-out by using the ‘handles’.

Telstar5

Great post , @yellow_eyez .. N-track doesn’t get nearly enough love around here .

And @jwmmakerofmusic , backatcha !

jwmmakerofmusic

@yellow_eyez I bet that comparison is the best thing I produced all year, and it wasn't even music. 😂 Just kidding, but yeah I try. I have a lot of experience with Cubasis 3, and I'm still learning Logic Pro although my knowledge of Logic is far more expanded than it was last week, so I have some decent experience with Logic Pro by now.

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@Telstar5 Cheers. 🍻

yellow_eyez

@oldsynthguy said:
Still trawling through demo videos, but it’s looking like a purchase is on the cards.

Not as flashy and feature rich as Logic, but for the equivalent of 5 months Logic subs, it’s ticking nearly all of my boxes. Basically I’m looking for a version of Auria Pro that doesn’t crash!

Quick question: do the blocks of recorded audio on the timeline, have volume fade-in/out handles as they do in Auria Pro? This was always one if my most used features, allowing quick fades on the timeline rather than clunky sample or ‘inspector’ editing as per Logic.

Edit: I think you can, just seen a Doug video where he makes a fade-out by using the ‘handles’.

You can just hold and drag the top corner of the waveform box and make a fade

oldsynthguy

@yellow_eyez said:

@oldsynthguy said:
Still trawling through demo videos, but it’s looking like a purchase is on the cards.

Not as flashy and feature rich as Logic, but for the equivalent of 5 months Logic subs, it’s ticking nearly all of my boxes. Basically I’m looking for a version of Auria Pro that doesn’t crash!

Quick question: do the blocks of recorded audio on the timeline, have volume fade-in/out handles as they do in Auria Pro? This was always one if my most used features, allowing quick fades on the timeline rather than clunky sample or ‘inspector’ editing as per Logic.

Edit: I think you can, just seen a Doug video where he makes a fade-out by using the ‘handles’.

You can just hold and drag the top corner of the waveform box and make a fade

Excellent, thanks for the confirmation!!

Such a useful feature, it was a PITA doing this in Logic.

jonmoore

All the different equally valid views ref differing DAW/DAW-less solutions on iOS/iPadOS reminds me why I love Apple's mobile devices as music production tools so much. At one end of the spectrum, you've got someone like me who rarely uses iOS/iPadOS for mobile music making these days, as I'd far rather be working with dedicated hardware from the likes of Teenage Engineering and Ableton, but who equally loves iPadOS as an extension of all the other studio production tools I have at hand - I treat iPad Pro's as if they were old school rack mount modules. Then at the other extreme, you've got folk who solely use something like SunVox on an iPhone for the sum total of their music production output. And in between, you have the likes of
the Drambo diehards, who live for that Elektron sequencer vibe on either their iPhone or their iPad.

It's a glorious thing that a die hard group of artists have stuck by the platform for so long, most probably because there's no right or wrong workflow, just the workflow that works for you.

ecou

@filo01 said:

@ecou said:

@filo01 said:

@ecou said:
But it does not work with certain type of midi generator like iBassist.

Could you please provide more information? What is wrong with iBassist in Cubasis?

In Audiobus I can load iBassist as an audio generator or as a midi generator. In Cubasis iBassist only shows as an audio generator not as a midi generator.

Understand, thank you. I suppose this also means that iBassist as audio generator can't send MIDI out so tracks with MIDI instrument can't receive it.

• A audio generator receive midi and output audio only. Certain plugin can receive audio too.
• A midi generator output midi. Certain plugin can receive midi.

oldsynthguy

@jonmoore said:
All the different equally valid views ref differing DAW/DAW-less solutions on iOS/iPadOS reminds me why I love Apple's mobile devices as music production tools so much. At one end of the spectrum, you've got someone like me who rarely uses iOS/iPadOS for mobile music making these days, as I'd far rather be working with dedicated hardware from the likes of Teenage Engineering and Ableton, but who equally loves iPadOS as an extension of all the other studio production tools I have at hand - I treat iPad Pro's as if they were old school rack mount modules. Then at the other extreme, you've got folk who solely use something like SunVox on an iPhone for the sum total of their music production output. And in between, you have the likes of
the Drambo diehards, who live for that Elektron sequencer vibe on either their iPhone or their iPad.

It's a glorious thing that a die hard group of artists have stuck by the platform for so long, most probably because there's no right or wrong workflow, just the workflow that works for you.

Yeah, I’ve been using iOS for music making since the iPad 2. I either record straight into a desktop DAW using the iPad as an instrument in its own right, or record sessions in AUM and export the audio to desktop that way, then add synths, guitar etc.

I’m part of a band that includes guitars, drums, modular synths, and even a hardy gurdy - so nothing’s off limits!

I’m looking for a bit more editing functionality for my iOS sessions. I’ve bought pretty much every iOS DAW and beatbox going. The best - Auria was great but just too unreliable, Logic too expensive, so Cubasis for £25 one-off seems like too good a deal to miss.

yellow_eyez

@oldsynthguy said:

@jonmoore said:
All the different equally valid views ref differing DAW/DAW-less solutions on iOS/iPadOS reminds me why I love Apple's mobile devices as music production tools so much. At one end of the spectrum, you've got someone like me who rarely uses iOS/iPadOS for mobile music making these days, as I'd far rather be working with dedicated hardware from the likes of Teenage Engineering and Ableton, but who equally loves iPadOS as an extension of all the other studio production tools I have at hand - I treat iPad Pro's as if they were old school rack mount modules. Then at the other extreme, you've got folk who solely use something like SunVox on an iPhone for the sum total of their music production output. And in between, you have the likes of
the Drambo diehards, who live for that Elektron sequencer vibe on either their iPhone or their iPad.

It's a glorious thing that a die hard group of artists have stuck by the platform for so long, most probably because there's no right or wrong workflow, just the workflow that works for you.

Yeah, I’ve been using iOS for music making since the iPad 2. I either record straight into a desktop DAW using the iPad as an instrument in its own right, or record sessions in AUM and export the audio to desktop that way, then add synths, guitar etc.

I’m part of a band that includes guitars, drums, modular synths, and even a hardy gurdy - so nothing’s off limits!

I’m looking for a bit more editing functionality for my iOS sessions. I’ve bought pretty much every iOS DAW and beatbox going. The best - Auria was great but just too unreliable, Logic too expensive, so Cubasis for £25 one-off seems like too good a deal to miss.

TBH - you KINDA need to get HALion and Neo FM IAP, and while your at it, might as well get the waves RT and effects bundle (it’s an extra $25 or so but when you hear the sounds you get you’ll see why I recommend them)

W/e the case, the base app for $25 is a NEAR MUST have for iOS. …well tbh again, I THOUGHT so until I tried n-track studio pro and now I’m not so tied to Cubasis anymore , but nah, def worth it for $25 (especially if you don’t do time sig or tempo changes )

If you have any questions lmk

What DAW you been using for past few years?

wim

@ecou said:

@filo01 said:

@ecou said:

@filo01 said:

@ecou said:
But it does not work with certain type of midi generator like iBassist.

Could you please provide more information? What is wrong with iBassist in Cubasis?

In Audiobus I can load iBassist as an audio generator or as a midi generator. In Cubasis iBassist only shows as an audio generator not as a midi generator.

Understand, thank you. I suppose this also means that iBassist as audio generator can't send MIDI out so tracks with MIDI instrument can't receive it.

• A audio generator receive midi and output audio only. Certain plugin can receive audio too.
• A midi generator output midi. Certain plugin can receive midi.

There's an easy workaround for this:

• Load up the free Streambyter standalone app.
• Add iBassist to a MIDI track.
• Set the iBassist track to MIDI output to Streambyter under Routing. To prevent potential MIDI loop issues, set the MIDI input on the track to None, or the specific input you need (just not Streambyter!).
• Set the MIDI input of the track you want to route to to Streambyter.

oldsynthguy

@yellow_eyez said:
TBH - you KINDA need to get HALion and Neo FM IAP, and while your at it, might as well get the waves RT and effects bundle (it’s an extra $25 or so but when you hear the sounds you get you’ll see why I recommend them)

W/e the case, the base app for $25 is a NEAR MUST have for iOS. …well tbh again, I THOUGHT so until I tried n-track studio pro and now I’m not so tied to Cubasis anymore , but nah, def worth it for $25 (especially if you don’t do time sig or tempo changes )

Pretty sure I’ll pick up Cubasis tomorrow, really impressed with what I’ve seen and heard today. It’ll be great to be able to do a bit more arrangement on the iPad before finishing off on desktop.

HALion and Neo FM IAP‘s look amazing, but I need to focus and stick to my original budget. But, tempting!

@yellow_eyez said:
What DAW you been using for past few years?

Aside from messing about with apps such as Nodes, BAM, BM3, NS2 etc. I hadn’t used any iOS DAW seriously for years, since giving up on Auria Pro, until Logic came out. I was totally happy with that, bar a few workflow niggles, but I just don’t use it enough to justify the cost. I suddenly realised I hadn’t even opened it for months, yet paid almost enough for a copy of Cubasis in the meantime! The subscription model just doesn’t work well for me. Yes I could switch it on for a month, then off again, but I don’t work like that - it’ll be a few random days here and there.

I’ve had Logic on desktop for years but never really clicked with it (though it’s useful for stem splitting and mastering). My main DAW is Ableton (enjoying Note on the iPad too), so need to save some pennies for a (hopefully) Black Friday upgrade.

wim

@yellow_eyez said:
N-track studio pro 10 has among other things

PDC
Multi threading
Aux/mix busses/audio routing
MIDI learn
BPM/time sig changes
External gear control
Drum pattern editor
Markers
Instruments/synths/fx
Sampler
(A cool drum kit you can finger drum with that’s mapped to GM or whatever )
Vocal harmonizer/pitch correction
….even AI stem split

The worry over those features^ caused me to research more and more over the past year and n-track studio pro is maybe be the most feature packed iOS/ipad DAW and I would recommend this to anyone who asks me what to get for iPad. (Idk if they do sales but $30
For the base app one time purchase ; $30 for the full instrument/synth IAP)

The n-track developers are very active, extremely responsive, and super nice and helpful. They take feature requests and implement them , and update frequently . It’s priced very reasonably, and is actually quite a good price for what you get. If you’re in the market for a pro DAW on iPad, and aren’t sure which to consider, I would rate this as the top choice; either for $30 or for the premium $60 version with 14GB of instruments, synths and loops. I love CB3, and I think AEMS (which is a bargain for such a powerful daw) is also an excellent option and alternative to Logic, but my personal preference and favorite now is leaning towards n-track studio pro 10 [esp if those features are essential]

Nice write-up @yellow_eyez. 😎

It has always interested me how N-Track never gets any traction in discussions here. On paper it looks as good or better than most DAWs on the platform, but it seems like almost no one (myself included) is inclined to look further into it.

One reason may be that they seem to almost purposefully obfuscate the one-time purchase N-Track Studio Pro behind the subscription N-Track Studio DAW marketing.

Actually, my purpose in posting is to point out the difference in those options since anyone seeing your post might look into N-Track and not see this one-time purchase option. It took some digging on my part to learn about it.

(I hope this comment doesn't sidetrack the OP's discussion too much. A separate thread is probably better in that case.)

yellow_eyez

@wim said:

@yellow_eyez said:
N-track studio pro 10 has among other things

PDC
Multi threading
Aux/mix busses/audio routing
MIDI learn
BPM/time sig changes
External gear control
Drum pattern editor
Markers
Instruments/synths/fx
Sampler
(A cool drum kit you can finger drum with that’s mapped to GM or whatever )
Vocal harmonizer/pitch correction
….even AI stem split

The worry over those features^ caused me to research more and more over the past year and n-track studio pro is maybe be the most feature packed iOS/ipad DAW and I would recommend this to anyone who asks me what to get for iPad. (Idk if they do sales but $30
For the base app one time purchase ; $30 for the full instrument/synth IAP)

The n-track developers are very active, extremely responsive, and super nice and helpful. They take feature requests and implement them , and update frequently . It’s priced very reasonably, and is actually quite a good price for what you get. If you’re in the market for a pro DAW on iPad, and aren’t sure which to consider, I would rate this as the top choice; either for $30 or for the premium $60 version with 14GB of instruments, synths and loops. I love CB3, and I think AEMS (which is a bargain for such a powerful daw) is also an excellent option and alternative to Logic, but my personal preference and favorite now is leaning towards n-track studio pro 10 [esp if those features are essential]

Nice write-up @yellow_eyez. 😎

It has always interested me how N-Track never gets any traction in discussions here. On paper it looks as good or better than most DAWs on the platform, but it seems like almost no one (myself included) is inclined to look further into it.

One reason may be that they seem to almost purposefully obfuscate the

one-time purchase N-Track Studio Pro

behind the subscription N-Track Studio DAW marketing.

Actually, my purpose in posting is to point out the difference in those options since anyone seeing your post might look into N-Track and not see this one-time purchase option. It took some digging on my part to learn about it.

(I hope this comment doesn't sidetrack the OP's discussion too much. A separate thread is probably better in that case.)

Thank you and yes; thx for clarifying N-TRACK STUDIO PRO is an iPad only one time purchase vs the iOS version (which is the same app ofc but subscription or $69 one time(?)) - so I was replying to Ecou ping but your right Wim, I don’t wanna derail (so if anyone had n-track questions , please find the appropriate thread or feel free to open up a new thread)

wim

@yellow_eyez said:
... so I was replying to Ecou ping but your right Wim, I don’t wanna derail (so if anyone had n-track questions , please find the appropriate thread or feel free to open up a new thread)

Yeh, I didn't mean your post was off topic, I was saying mine, loaded as it was with the "S" word**, could easily turn into the usual off-topic debate. 😂

**subscription

Telstar5

@yellow_eyez : Ntrack pro is iPad only? Hmm.. I don’t know . I thought they were the same for iPad and iPhone

jwmmakerofmusic

@Telstar5 said:
@yellow_eyez : Ntrack pro is iPad only? Hmm.. I don’t know . I thought they were the same for iPad and iPhone

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/n-track-studio-pro-daw/id1160793386

Seems to show up fine for me on the iPhone appstore (I'm typing on my iPhone right now).