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*I stand corrected @Telstar5
Thx Jim
Not a problem mate.
All good.
Thank you @wim!
Yeah I’d like to avoid that one, since I’ve already explained my feelings on that! The point of the thread really was to see if Cubasis is a good (less fancy but cheaper) alternative to Logic, and I think I’ve squeezed all the juice out of that now with the answer being a resounding ‘yes’!
So my finger is hovering over the buy button today, but didn’t know about this N-track thing until @yellow_eyez comment.
Pretty much decided on Cubasis, but it wouldn’t hurt to hear a bit more feedback on the N-track….just in case.
Hi @charalew
If you encounter issues, using 3rd party plug-ins with Cubasis, please make sure to inform the app vendors about the problem. We're at hand to exchange with them or have them equipped with Cubasis promo codes for testing purposes, if required.
Best,
Lars
Hi all, Hi @Telstar5
Hope you're all well!
What a nice and friendly discussion...
Just my 2 two cents:
Tempo and signature track support is on our list and we hope it won't take too long getting there.
Best,
Lars
You probably can’t answer this, but is there a v4 on the cards anytime soon?
V3 is ticking nearly all of my boxes, and the sale price is very attractive - so I just want to make sure I get a couple of year’s support and use from it, and it doesn’t end up in my abandoned DAW graveyard like all the others!
iPad, iPhone, Android, Windows, Mac. It’s easy to send projects from one device to another with audio and midi and effects and automation intact(as long as you have the same AUv3s on both devices.
And there is a free version that is missing a LOT of great features, it’s useful if you want to see what it looks like on your device. I bought the Pro version years ago for the $29.99 I I’ve been enjoying the additional loops and instruments and effects added at no cost ever since. Returning to the original thread, I LOVE and use CB3 all the time, but I love n-Track too. It’s like I have two great sports cars in my garage. 3 if I count Audio Evolution.
+1
Yes: for me, CB3 is the king of workflow. If I want to do a track easily and without issues, and I don’t need any of the features missing, I would never leave cb3….
AEMS and N-track are on equal footing (w/ each other and with Logic)…but n-track’s interface and workflow have a special magic that makes me feel almost like I’m not losing much moving from cb3
If anyone asks me, I would say, if you’re on a budget and want a pro DAW get AEMS. But also AEMS is partners with TB so you can get the IAP and have a comparable closed ecosystem like cb3(see below)
If you aren’t on a budget get
Cubasis 3 with
OR
N-track studio pro (I got the base app because I can’t get IAP but I would’ve gotten the whole thing like with cb3) + instrument Iap
But for the purposes of the thread
CUBASIS 3 rules! You really can’t go wrong with it and you’ll see it’s like the best workflow of any DAW , desktop or tablet wise
I love cb3, and IF @LFS isn’t pulling our leg , the next update is going to be very massive and pleasing
JUST GET CB3 Already and tell us what you think….
Hey doesn’t Steinberg have like a demo lite version to try dude ? It’s 4 tracks iirc but try it out first
I think it's still definitely worth it!
Today I spent a few hours 're-discovering' the piano-roll trying to figure out how it was really intended to be used and one tool in particular was an 'eye opener'...
...the small 'lock' thing that prevents accidental one-finger scrolling which is needed to avoid 'rogue scrolling' when using the select tool to make a larger selection near the edges of the screen.
Even with the lock enabled it's still possible to zoom & scroll the display using the left-side piano to do vertical scrolling and two finger left/right swiping to scroll horizontally.
The small tools on the left under the Lock (Vel, Y-Axis, X-Move & Length) are also pretty handy to modify a selection or just one note, and once a note or selection is present it's enough to swipe anywhere on the screen to modify the selection, no need to grab the end of the note, just select the 'Length' and swipe on the note to make it shorter or longer.
I did bump into an issue when using the keys on the left-side in the piano-roll (it's the same when using any midi-source) to do some recording.
What happens in practice is that Cubasis creates a new midi-event for the recording even when the piano-roll is visible so what is seen on the screen is NOT the actual recording as no notes pop up in the piano-roll while recording, when closing the piano-roll the notes are there in the arranger as a overlapping midi-event...
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/pd59q2a66vqzr4hpmagy3/InPianoRollRecording.MOV?rlkey=wbrayvzuhr9syt7659z6r12za&dl=0
The proposed 'solution' to this issue would be to NOT create a new midi-event if the piano-roll is already showing an existing midi-event. This would make 'overdubbing' a lot easier.
Suggestion would also be to make it easier to see overlapping midi-events and note-events in the piano-roll, maybe make the 'border' thinker depending on how many events are stacked on top of each other?
With the new features added to LogicPro for iPad's browser it's even easier to integrate 'stuff' created in Cubasis for use in Logic Pro for iPad. Personally I've added a link to the '/Cubasis/Audio/My Audio Files' into the Logic browser for seamless access to files I save into the Media Bay in Cubasis!
If I would make a wish-list to 'Cubasis Santa' it would be some more presets for FM Classics (DX100?) and an option to adjust the delay time & feedback levels.
And maybe but just maybe an IAP to allow full editing of the FM Parameters so I could finally retire Yamaha's FM Essentials.app for good as the TX81z emulation in FM Classics is rock solid to a point where I've put my 'real' TX81z back into the closet...
...and well, just about anything sampling-related is always appreciated
I'm quite sure that at this point in time @LFS and his team is currently super hard at work with an update!
Cheers!
/Samuel
Get Halion while it's on sale. There isn't a better source of 'stock' sounds on iOS. It's excellent
Yep. I did that for both KB1 and PolyBeat @LFS - the Devs both gave me the impression a fix was in the pipeline but that was a while ago now.
+1
I like how you phrased that but you’re right and that’s why I said itto all prospective customers - HALion (and Neo FM) ’make Cubasis unrivaled along with its workflow
If it gets those couple of features I pointed out, it would literally be the ultimate DAW
Team Cubasis !
Come on Lars
When is this update coming man!?
I am really glad to have it as an option for recording hardware while monitoring on bluetooth phones - I haven’t found a way to do it in Logic yet- but it just works in Cubasis.
Thanks for letting us know, Lars@LFS……I hope plug in delay compensation is also on the list..
@jwmmakerofmusic and @yellow_eyez : Also consider this..Which DAW will be the most advanced tree to five years from now? Ten years from now ? My money’s on LP4…Unless Steenberg busts it out with a “Pro” version.
Isn't it overthinking just a bit to try to project five to ten years out for something on this scale and on such an unpredictable platform as this? It's not like buying a car or a house.
Will we even be using iPads 3-5 or even 10 years from now?!
I'd honestly say it's better to focus on what is available NOW rather than live in an imaginary dream-world wondering what we'll have in 10 years time...
...my bet would be a on completely new device type running an OS that merges the best from both platforms?
(ie. a 'slab of glass' that can run just about everything you throw at it).
@Samu : Interesting
@LFS : I sure wish Steinberg would come out with a “pro” version of Cubasis or Cubase for iPad.. Perferably not subscription…More money than Cubasis of course but priced as per the iOS/ipad market.. THAT would be something indeed.
I mean there’s no competing with Apple if that’s what you need to hear haha. However, that doesn’t mean these other DAWs will cease to remain competitive. As I said, my money WAS on Steinberg being the main big name dev to take on Logic, but it turned out AEMS and N-track are really preferable options on this platform considering price , features, and cross compatibility. (Meaning these devs are on all platform so they aren’t going anywhere to leave dev stagnant or hanging)
IOW, Cubasis, AEMS, and N-track can run on iPhone , iPad (and Mac depending on how you look at it, either send to Cubase on desktop OR use the new iOS 18 remote mirroring lol) too. Some people don’t have desktop Logic, which I think is superior to the iPad version (I think the desktop macOS interface is the smoothest and cleanest UI on desktop DAWs) , so I am a little biased in that regard, meaning I feel like disappointed for my own reasons
At the same time , there is a market and n-track and AEMS aren’t going anywhere - they are actually much more responsive devs than Steinberg , and certainly more than Apple. Like Davy is on here all the time and replies immediately . He’s dedicated . N-track also replies within 24 hours of email or posting to their forum for help. But I’ve never seen anyone reply as fast as Davy besides woodman or 7systems for example
Finally what else could make a daw more advanced than Logic already is? It has AI players - you don’t even need to know how to write music to make music now - like I actually think it’s too much but that’s another discussion.
Point is: these devs are on desktop, iPad, Android, iPhone and iPod. They aren’t going anywhere….you can’t lose with any choice.
But my biggest concern: is CB3 going to continue being updated since it’s a fairly young DAW or will we get one last update and then onto CB4?
Exactly
Bought! I’ll let you know…. I may have some questions!
Is this when overdubbing? I watched a @Jamie_Mallender vid where he ‘glued’ two passes in a loop…
Tempting, I’ll see how I get on with the base install first, the drum machine IAP looks good too.
I remember wondering the same thing when I bought iMS20 for my iPad 2, over 10 years ago!
I tend not to update my iOS that often, so if I get a couple of years usage out of CB3 I’ll be happy.
Congrats
Im glad you got it
I love it myself
Yepp!
I know I can glue the overlapped midi-events on the time-line but I need to 'leave the piano-roll editor' to do the gluing every single time I add/record new stuff to an existing.
So the suggestion was simply 'do not create a new midi event when recording with the piano-roll editor open'
This could also be applicable when a midi-event is selected on the time-line, as long as the midi-event remains selected all new recordings are merged into one midi-event. (This is how the ancient Cubase Score worked on the Mac).
Keep in mind the Classic Machines IAP is just a set of fixed-sample romplers. You can't add your own samples. They're fun and worth the $3.99 but don't expect a lot from them.
But ... at what cost?? That's close $0.04 per day man! Just think of all the other things you could have done with all that dough.
I wonder if Cubasis 4 will simply be "Cubase for iPad", a direct port of their flagship product. If that'd be the case, hopefully they keep the Waves plugins and other Cubasis plugins for backward compatibility.
Logic Pro is very advanced as it stands, and I'm really getting into the workflow.
I hope not - I can easily say, Cubase might be the original and first, but it is the WORST interface of all of the top tier daws / the whole appeal of Cubasis is its workflow and it’s nothing like its desktop counterpart
Yeah that makes sense, or even an ‘overdub’ button option, like they have in Ableton.
Ah ok. I like the way they worked with the pads in Doug’s vid though - I’m struggling to get them to line up with my AUv3 drum apps (e.g. Ting). 🥁
I know, terrifying isn’t it. Thing with me is though, I have so many apps and life/work things on the go I’ll spend the next few weeks using it intensively, then flit in and out for a day once every few weeks and then forget about it until next spring. That’s why the one-off purchase is so important, it removes that ‘I haven’t used it for 3 months and it’s cost me fifteen quid’ stress. I’m not a regular user, but it’s nice to know it’s there when I get a spare few hours 😎
I can’t believe i missed those. Thnak you
I would not go as far to say 'worst', Cubase 14 looks pretty slick to be honest!
Personally I can't stand looking at Ableton Live at all not to mention Reaper which while being insanely powerful just feels super un-inspiring to use...
The first 'pro' sequencer I bought was Cubase Score 2.0 for Mac which I later updated to Cubase Score 3.0 VST and later on 3.5 which I have some fond memories of. When I later bought LogicPro X for Mac I felt like YES, this is something my brain really clicks with