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Cubasis 3 - still worth it?

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  • yellow_eyezyellow_eyez

    Fair point - Cubase 14 has been overhauled in GUI

  • wimwim
    edited November 21

    @oldsynthguy said:
    I know, terrifying isn’t it. Thing with me is though, I have so many apps and life/work things on the go I’ll spend the next few weeks using it intensively, then flit in and out for a day once every few weeks and then forget about it until next spring. That’s why the one-off purchase is so important, it removes that ‘I haven’t used it for 3 months and it’s cost me fifteen quid’ stress. I’m not a regular user, but it’s nice to know it’s there when I get a spare few hours 😎

    Yep! Buy once, then never look back. Even if you only get the few weeks of learning and entertainment out of it, you've got your money's worth already as compared to other forms of entertainment. That's what I keep telling myself anyway. 😂

  • ecouecou

    @Telstar5 said:

    @LFS said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    Again, Cubasis is stuck in only a single time signature per song. An automatic No-Go for me .

    Hi all, Hi @Telstar5

    Hope you're all well!
    What a nice and friendly discussion...

    Just my 2 two cents:
    Tempo and signature track support is on our list and we hope it won't take too long getting there.

    Best,
    Lars

    Thanks for letting us know, Lars@LFS……I hope plug in delay compensation is also on the list..

    I have a question about plugin delay compensation.

    I understand in theory what it is supposed to do but when does it comes into play in real life. I been using Cubasis since 2017 and i don’t know when i am supposed to have missed it. I have never felt that a plugin was causing delay.

  • yellow_eyezyellow_eyez

    @ecou said:

    I have a question about plugin delay compensation.

    I understand in theory what it is supposed to do but when does it comes into play in real life. I been using Cubasis since 2017 and i don’t know when i am supposed to have missed it. I have never felt that a plugin was causing delay.

    You still on this smh LOL

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @yellow_eyez said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic and @yellow_eyez : Also consider this..Which DAW will be the most advanced tree to five years from now? Ten years from now ? My money’s on LP4…Unless Steenberg busts it out with a “Pro” version.

    I wonder if Cubasis 4 will simply be "Cubase for iPad", a direct port of their flagship product. If that'd be the case, hopefully they keep the Waves plugins and other Cubasis plugins for backward compatibility. :)

    Logic Pro is very advanced as it stands, and I'm really getting into the workflow.

    I hope not - I can easily say, Cubase might be the original and first, but it is the WORST interface of all of the top tier daws / the whole appeal of Cubasis is its workflow and it’s nothing like its desktop counterpart

    Then again, Logic Pro on Mac looks slightly different than on iPad, and the colours look much nicer on iPad. The UI for Cubase has been vastly improved with version 14 as stated above. I'm also with @Samu when he says that Reaper is the ugliest. I agree, Reaper is the ugliest and tough to get inspired by it, lol.

  • wimwim
    edited November 21

    @ecou said:

    I have never felt that a plugin was causing delay.

    Try a limiter with a look-ahead buffer on a track (not the master). 😉

    But I'm with you. I never worry about PDC other than when the (avoidable) use of limiters. I guess I just don't use enough plugins, or don't listen critically enough to my tracks.

  • SamuSamu

    @ecou said:

    I understand in theory what it is supposed to do but when does it comes into play in real life. I been using Cubasis since 2017 and i don’t know when i am supposed to have missed it. I have never felt that a plugin was causing delay.

    If you use for example a effect plug-in with a look-ahead option (FabFilter Pro L-2 being one example) or practically any plug-in that uses a some kind look-ahead buffer things will quickly go out of sync if the host doesn't compensate for the delayed audio.

    Many Filters, Compressors, Limiters, Saturators, Pitch Shifters and other effect processors may need a bigger buffer to work with and this will add latency which needs to be compensated for by the host to keep things in sync.

    Some of the Waves IAPs introduce a fair bit latency so when you bounce a track to audio you'll have a small gap in the beginning of the rendered audio which should have been 'compensated'.

    The downside of adding PDC is that it also reduces the real-time response of an app when all the delayed audio needs to be synchronized...

  • Telstar5Telstar5
    edited November 21

    @Samu: Great PDC point . Didn’t know that about the synchronization

  • yellow_eyezyellow_eyez

    Oh believe me @wim , I know now , (which is why I found n-track)

  • wimwim

    @yellow_eyez said:
    Oh believe me @wim , I know now , (which is why I found n-track)

    oops. @'ted the wrong person in that quote.

  • ecouecou

    @yellow_eyez said:

    @ecou said:

    I have a question about plugin delay compensation.

    I understand in theory what it is supposed to do but when does it comes into play in real life. I been using Cubasis since 2017 and i don’t know when i am supposed to have missed it. I have never felt that a plugin was causing delay.

    You still on this smh LOL

    Haha inquiring mind need a answer.

  • ecouecou

    @wim said:

    @ecou said:

    I have never felt that a plugin was causing delay.

    Try a limiter with a look-ahead buffer on a track (not the master). 😉

    But I'm with you. I never worry about PDC other than when the (avoidable) use of limiters. I guess I just don't use enough plugins, or don't listen critically enough to my tracks.

    Now I have a answer thanks to @wim and @Samu . Thanks

  • CamblerCambler

    @Telstar5 said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic and @yellow_eyez : Also consider this..Which DAW will be the most advanced tree to five years from now? Ten years from now ? My money’s on LP4…Unless Steenberg busts it out with a “Pro” version.

    I guess the other side of this is that you’ll have paid $600 (AUD) in sub fees (or more if/when they jack the price) for LP4 over that time.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Cambler said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic and @yellow_eyez : Also consider this..Which DAW will be the most advanced tree to five years from now? Ten years from now ? My money’s on LP4…Unless Steenberg busts it out with a “Pro” version.

    I guess the other side of this is that you’ll have paid $600 (AUD) in sub fees (or more if/when they jack the price) for LP4 over that time.

    For the time being, I'm stuck on Logic Pro I admit, but perhaps sometime in the new year I will swap over to N-Track Studio and see what that's like. :)

  • CamblerCambler

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic and @yellow_eyez : Also consider this..Which DAW will be the most advanced tree to five years from now? Ten years from now ? My money’s on LP4…Unless Steenberg busts it out with a “Pro” version.

    I guess the other side of this is that you’ll have paid $600 (AUD) in sub fees (or more if/when they jack the price) for LP4 over that time.

    For the time being, I'm stuck on Logic Pro I admit, but perhaps sometime in the new year I will swap over to N-Track Studio and see what that's like. :)

    N-Track looks good and it’s been great reading @yellow_eyez praisings of it. I bought AEM earlier in the month as I was intrigued after reading some recent posts on it, including the dev talking about some forthcoming updates. Only had a quick play this far and it has some weird interface things and initially feels less fluid than Cubasis, however it seems powerful and with further updates could be something I turn to.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Cambler said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic and @yellow_eyez : Also consider this..Which DAW will be the most advanced tree to five years from now? Ten years from now ? My money’s on LP4…Unless Steenberg busts it out with a “Pro” version.

    I guess the other side of this is that you’ll have paid $600 (AUD) in sub fees (or more if/when they jack the price) for LP4 over that time.

    For the time being, I'm stuck on Logic Pro I admit, but perhaps sometime in the new year I will swap over to N-Track Studio and see what that's like. :)

    N-Track looks good and it’s been great reading @yellow_eyez praisings of it. I bought AEM earlier in the month as I was intrigued after reading some recent posts on it, including the dev talking about some forthcoming updates. Only had a quick play this far and it has some weird interface things and initially feels less fluid than Cubasis, however it seems powerful and with further updates could be something I turn to.

    And from what I've heard from @yellow_eyez , N-Track Studio has a very supportive development team behind it who listen to user feedback, so if something's missing from it, it'll soon be added if the team deems it fit to be added.

    I also discovered by sifting through the manual that N-Track 10 has Pure Data. I used to f-ck around with that back in my days at Uni. Damned if I can remember the programming language off the top of my head (it has been over 10 years since I graduated with two degrees and honours), but it should be no more difficult than riding a bike. 😂

  • CamblerCambler

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic and @yellow_eyez : Also consider this..Which DAW will be the most advanced tree to five years from now? Ten years from now ? My money’s on LP4…Unless Steenberg busts it out with a “Pro” version.

    I guess the other side of this is that you’ll have paid $600 (AUD) in sub fees (or more if/when they jack the price) for LP4 over that time.

    For the time being, I'm stuck on Logic Pro I admit, but perhaps sometime in the new year I will swap over to N-Track Studio and see what that's like. :)

    N-Track looks good and it’s been great reading @yellow_eyez praisings of it. I bought AEM earlier in the month as I was intrigued after reading some recent posts on it, including the dev talking about some forthcoming updates. Only had a quick play this far and it has some weird interface things and initially feels less fluid than Cubasis, however it seems powerful and with further updates could be something I turn to.

    And from what I've heard from @yellow_eyez , N-Track Studio has a very supportive development team behind it who listen to user feedback, so if something's missing from it, it'll soon be added if the team deems it fit to be added.

    I also discovered by sifting through the manual that N-Track 10 has Pure Data. I used to f-ck around with that back in my days at Uni. Damned if I can remember the programming language off the top of my head (it has been over 10 years since I graduated with two degrees and honours), but it should be no more difficult than riding a bike. 😂

    Oh wow that’s very cool about Pure Data! I used to play with Max way back in the day for art installation works. I’m damned if I can remember how to program it either but I love the idea of it being integrated into a DAW. I’d love to have a demo of N-Track to have a quick play without splurging $50aud straight up.

  • CamblerCambler
    edited November 22

    Deleted.

  • CamblerCambler
    edited November 22

    @Cambler said:

    @Cambler said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic and @yellow_eyez : Also consider this..Which DAW will be the most advanced tree to five years from now? Ten years from now ? My money’s on LP4…Unless Steenberg busts it out with a “Pro” version.

    I guess the other side of this is that you’ll have paid $600 (AUD) in sub fees (or more if/when they jack the price) for LP4 over that time.

    For the time being, I'm stuck on Logic Pro I admit, but perhaps sometime in the new year I will swap over to N-Track Studio and see what that's like. :)

    N-Track looks good and it’s been great reading @yellow_eyez praisings of it. I bought AEM earlier in the month as I was intrigued after reading some recent posts on it, including the dev talking about some forthcoming updates. Only had a quick play this far and it has some weird interface things and initially feels less fluid than Cubasis, however it seems powerful and with further updates could be something I turn to.

    And from what I've heard from @yellow_eyez , N-Track Studio has a very supportive development team behind it who listen to user feedback, so if something's missing from it, it'll soon be added if the team deems it fit to be added.

    I also discovered by sifting through the manual that N-Track 10 has Pure Data. I used to f-ck around with that back in my days at Uni. Damned if I can remember the programming language off the top of my head (it has been over 10 years since I graduated with two degrees and honours), but it should be no more difficult than riding a bike. 😂

    Oh wow that’s very cool about Pure Data! I used to play with Max way back in the day for art installation works. I’m damned if I can remember how to program it either but I love the idea of it being integrated into a DAW. I’d love to have a demo of N-Track to have a quick play without splurging $50aud straight up.

    Edit: it seems I can have a demo as the sub version has a limited free version from what I can see. Just had a quick play and it looks to be really well featured. The free version limitations hampered me from doing more but I could see myself using this. Seeing as it’s full price and may not go on sale much/ever I’ll hold off for a bit as I have too many open projects in Cubasis to finish first. Amazing that this DAW rarely gets mentioned here.

    Apologies to the OP for being a little off topic!

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Cambler said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic and @yellow_eyez : Also consider this..Which DAW will be the most advanced tree to five years from now? Ten years from now ? My money’s on LP4…Unless Steenberg busts it out with a “Pro” version.

    I guess the other side of this is that you’ll have paid $600 (AUD) in sub fees (or more if/when they jack the price) for LP4 over that time.

    For the time being, I'm stuck on Logic Pro I admit, but perhaps sometime in the new year I will swap over to N-Track Studio and see what that's like. :)

    N-Track looks good and it’s been great reading @yellow_eyez praisings of it. I bought AEM earlier in the month as I was intrigued after reading some recent posts on it, including the dev talking about some forthcoming updates. Only had a quick play this far and it has some weird interface things and initially feels less fluid than Cubasis, however it seems powerful and with further updates could be something I turn to.

    And from what I've heard from @yellow_eyez , N-Track Studio has a very supportive development team behind it who listen to user feedback, so if something's missing from it, it'll soon be added if the team deems it fit to be added.

    I also discovered by sifting through the manual that N-Track 10 has Pure Data. I used to f-ck around with that back in my days at Uni. Damned if I can remember the programming language off the top of my head (it has been over 10 years since I graduated with two degrees and honours), but it should be no more difficult than riding a bike. 😂

    Oh wow that’s very cool about Pure Data! I used to play with Max way back in the day for art installation works. I’m damned if I can remember how to program it either but I love the idea of it being integrated into a DAW. I’d love to have a demo of N-Track to have a quick play without splurging $50aud straight up.

    I think I'll jolly well have to continue this N-Track talk in your new thread.

    As far as my journey in Logic Pro, it's come to an end outside of AI Mastering and AI Stem Splitting, lol. I was working on this Classical-inspired EDM track, and Logic Pro forgot the settings on Flex Mini 2 (I had to redo the flippin settings). Then it forgot the settings of its own limiter on the master track. (I always mix into a limiter.) So I said "f-ck it" and moved my work over to Nanostudio 2 for this particular track. As soon as I'm able to afford it, I will get N-Track and try to build a track in that instead, lol.

  • Telstar5Telstar5

    @wim said:
    Isn't it overthinking just a bit to try to project five to ten years out for something on this scale and on such an unpredictable platform as this? It's not like buying a car or a house.

    Had I not bought every iOS app brought into existence , I would definitely HAVE a house and a car !

  • CamblerCambler

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic and @yellow_eyez : Also consider this..Which DAW will be the most advanced tree to five years from now? Ten years from now ? My money’s on LP4…Unless Steenberg busts it out with a “Pro” version.

    I guess the other side of this is that you’ll have paid $600 (AUD) in sub fees (or more if/when they jack the price) for LP4 over that time.

    For the time being, I'm stuck on Logic Pro I admit, but perhaps sometime in the new year I will swap over to N-Track Studio and see what that's like. :)

    N-Track looks good and it’s been great reading @yellow_eyez praisings of it. I bought AEM earlier in the month as I was intrigued after reading some recent posts on it, including the dev talking about some forthcoming updates. Only had a quick play this far and it has some weird interface things and initially feels less fluid than Cubasis, however it seems powerful and with further updates could be something I turn to.

    And from what I've heard from @yellow_eyez , N-Track Studio has a very supportive development team behind it who listen to user feedback, so if something's missing from it, it'll soon be added if the team deems it fit to be added.

    I also discovered by sifting through the manual that N-Track 10 has Pure Data. I used to f-ck around with that back in my days at Uni. Damned if I can remember the programming language off the top of my head (it has been over 10 years since I graduated with two degrees and honours), but it should be no more difficult than riding a bike. 😂

    Oh wow that’s very cool about Pure Data! I used to play with Max way back in the day for art installation works. I’m damned if I can remember how to program it either but I love the idea of it being integrated into a DAW. I’d love to have a demo of N-Track to have a quick play without splurging $50aud straight up.

    I think I'll jolly well have to continue this N-Track talk in your new thread.

    As far as my journey in Logic Pro, it's come to an end outside of AI Mastering and AI Stem Splitting, lol. I was working on this Classical-inspired EDM track, and Logic Pro forgot the settings on Flex Mini 2 (I had to redo the flippin settings). Then it forgot the settings of its own limiter on the master track. (I always mix into a limiter.) So I said "f-ck it" and moved my work over to Nanostudio 2 for this particular track. As soon as I'm able to afford it, I will get N-Track and try to build a track in that instead, lol.

    Oh I feel your pain! I know all too well that sinking feeling when you open a project and some of your hard work has turned to dust. Yuck!

    I guess there’s no perfect daw for iPad/ios. I do like many aspects of Logic on iPad (love Logic on desktop) and I like the general functionality and ease of Cubasis. Maybe N-Track is the best of both worlds?

  • wimwim

    @Telstar5 said:

    @wim said:
    Isn't it overthinking just a bit to try to project five to ten years out for something on this scale and on such an unpredictable platform as this? It's not like buying a car or a house.

    Had I not bought every iOS app brought into existence , I would definitely HAVE a house and a car !

    I feel ya. If I had invested what I've spent on iOS apps into Apple stock instead, I'd have a house, a car, and every product Teenage Engineering ever put out, including the table.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Cambler said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Cambler said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic and @yellow_eyez : Also consider this..Which DAW will be the most advanced tree to five years from now? Ten years from now ? My money’s on LP4…Unless Steenberg busts it out with a “Pro” version.

    I guess the other side of this is that you’ll have paid $600 (AUD) in sub fees (or more if/when they jack the price) for LP4 over that time.

    For the time being, I'm stuck on Logic Pro I admit, but perhaps sometime in the new year I will swap over to N-Track Studio and see what that's like. :)

    N-Track looks good and it’s been great reading @yellow_eyez praisings of it. I bought AEM earlier in the month as I was intrigued after reading some recent posts on it, including the dev talking about some forthcoming updates. Only had a quick play this far and it has some weird interface things and initially feels less fluid than Cubasis, however it seems powerful and with further updates could be something I turn to.

    And from what I've heard from @yellow_eyez , N-Track Studio has a very supportive development team behind it who listen to user feedback, so if something's missing from it, it'll soon be added if the team deems it fit to be added.

    I also discovered by sifting through the manual that N-Track 10 has Pure Data. I used to f-ck around with that back in my days at Uni. Damned if I can remember the programming language off the top of my head (it has been over 10 years since I graduated with two degrees and honours), but it should be no more difficult than riding a bike. 😂

    Oh wow that’s very cool about Pure Data! I used to play with Max way back in the day for art installation works. I’m damned if I can remember how to program it either but I love the idea of it being integrated into a DAW. I’d love to have a demo of N-Track to have a quick play without splurging $50aud straight up.

    I think I'll jolly well have to continue this N-Track talk in your new thread.

    As far as my journey in Logic Pro, it's come to an end outside of AI Mastering and AI Stem Splitting, lol. I was working on this Classical-inspired EDM track, and Logic Pro forgot the settings on Flex Mini 2 (I had to redo the flippin settings). Then it forgot the settings of its own limiter on the master track. (I always mix into a limiter.) So I said "f-ck it" and moved my work over to Nanostudio 2 for this particular track. As soon as I'm able to afford it, I will get N-Track and try to build a track in that instead, lol.

    Oh I feel your pain! I know all too well that sinking feeling when you open a project and some of your hard work has turned to dust. Yuck!

    I guess there’s no perfect daw for iPad/ios. I do like many aspects of Logic on iPad (love Logic on desktop) and I like the general functionality and ease of Cubasis. Maybe N-Track is the best of both worlds?

    I definitely do plan to find out soon. :) Meanwhile, I'm just using Nanostudio 2 to finish up some tracks for the EP I'm creating. No audio tracks, but that's okay. I'll just do my "Slate" workaround for vocals. Once I can afford to get N-Track Pro, then I'll be set to work within that DAW.

  • Telstar5Telstar5

    @Jadestar has a few really in detail tutorials on n-track on his channel l as well as does Leo on @soundformore
    https://www.youtube.com/live/0LHhkLDkaf8?si=BKWQhwi0vBHOAnBS

  • Telstar5Telstar5

    Leo @sfm : Thoughts ?
    @Jadestar ?

  • wimwim

    https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/63184/n-track-studio-daw#latest

  • Telstar5Telstar5
    edited November 22

    @yellow_eyez said:

    @charalew said:
    Get Halion while it's on sale. There isn't a better source of 'stock' sounds on iOS. It's excellent

    +1

    I like how you phrased that but you’re right and that’s why I said itto all prospective customers - HALion (and Neo FM) ’make Cubasis unrivaled along with its workflow

    If it gets those couple of features I pointed out, it would literally be the ultimate DAW

    Team Cubasis !

    Come on Lars

    When is this update coming man!?

    @yellow_eyez and @LFS : Lars can’t say but it’s been hella long since Cubasis has had an update . Around five months or so. In this thread Lars has hinted at an update visa a vis mixing time signatures and a tempo track and some years ago I believe I remember him stating that implementing said features into CB3 might involve a ground up rewrite . I could be wrong but I have a feeling CB4 IS coming in not too long . At that’s a completely UNeducated guess .

  • SamuSamu

    @Telstar5 said:

    @yellow_eyez said:

    @charalew said:
    Get Halion while it's on sale. There isn't a better source of 'stock' sounds on iOS. It's excellent

    +1

    I like how you phrased that but you’re right and that’s why I said itto all prospective customers - HALion (and Neo FM) ’make Cubasis unrivaled along with its workflow

    If it gets those couple of features I pointed out, it would literally be the ultimate DAW

    Team Cubasis !

    Come on Lars

    When is this update coming man!?

    @yellow_eyez and @LFS : Lars can’t say but it’s been hella long since Cubasis has had an update . Around five months or so. In this thread Lars has hinted at an update visa a vis mixing time signatures and a tempo track and some years ago I believe I remember him stating that implementing said features into CB3 might involve a ground up rewrite . I could be wrong but I have a feeling CB4 IS coming in not too long . At that’s a completely UNeducated guess .

    By now we all know the answer to that question…

    It’s coming when it’s coming :sunglasses:

  • MadGavMadGav

    @Samu said:

    @Telstar5 said:

    @yellow_eyez said:

    @charalew said:
    Get Halion while it's on sale. There isn't a better source of 'stock' sounds on iOS. It's excellent

    +1

    I like how you phrased that but you’re right and that’s why I said itto all prospective customers - HALion (and Neo FM) ’make Cubasis unrivaled along with its workflow

    If it gets those couple of features I pointed out, it would literally be the ultimate DAW

    Team Cubasis !

    Come on Lars

    When is this update coming man!?

    @yellow_eyez and @LFS : Lars can’t say but it’s been hella long since Cubasis has had an update . Around five months or so. In this thread Lars has hinted at an update visa a vis mixing time signatures and a tempo track and some years ago I believe I remember him stating that implementing said features into CB3 might involve a ground up rewrite . I could be wrong but I have a feeling CB4 IS coming in not too long . At that’s a completely UNeducated guess .

    By now we all know the answer to that question…

    It’s coming when it’s coming :sunglasses:

    However… updates have typically arrived at around 6 month intervals and often in early December. But that ^^^

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