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Cubasis 3.7 & Iconica Sketch for iPhone, iPad and Every AU-compatible DAW Are Here!

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  • I have waited 7 years for this!!!!! Tempo Change! Time Signature track!

  • @gdog said:

    @eross said:
    cool, how big is the iconica sketch app with all those orchestral samples?

    1.8gb for AU only, 3.6gb with Cubasis integration

    oh wow, not bad at
    all

  • @Edward_Alexander said:

    @dokwok2 said:
    Thank you, Steinberg, for making Sketch Iconica an AU that can be hosted in other DAWs too.

    Right? I wouldn’t mind seeing a AU version of HALion as well.

    It’s only got around half of the data on the auv3 version though. I think it’s over 3 gig if you use the native version (in Cubasis )

  • @toneman88 said:

    @cokomairena said:
    is cubasis ever on sale?

    Yes, see the 1st line of the description in the App Store 😊

    :s thanks!

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    After I fell back asleep, I woke up thinking this was a dream. I'm glad for time signature and tempo changes, don't get me wrong, but I think the thing I'm most excited about is indeed Iconica! I'm genuinely blown away by these orchestral sounds. Much better than the "KAPro Tutti Orchestra 1" patch in Module Pro, which is my goto patch for anything related to orchestral strings (except Mellotron strings when making a Disco banger).

    And Iconica fits in nicely with my SMK-25 (which has a mod wheel ribbon controller). The crescendos and decrescendos sound natural rather than a simple "volume up, volume down" sort of thing that sounds rather unnatural. Not sure how else to describe that.

    So yes, I think I will switch from Nanostudio 2 to Cubasis 3 for the next project or two at least. Each new project is loaded with a basic piano sound, so I can sketch things out easily before moving into full orchestration.

    So, a huge "thank you" to @LFS and the team at Steinberg!

    Glad to read this, thanks @jwmmakerofmusic

  • @dokwok2 said:
    Thank you, Steinberg, for making Sketch Iconica an AU that can be hosted in other DAWs too.

    Thanks @dokwok2
    You're welcome. Hope Iconica Sketch works like charm in your mobile DAW of choice!

    Best,
    Lars

  • @ralis said:
    I have waited 7 years for this!!!!! Tempo Change! Time Signature track!

    Hi @ralis

    Now we hope you enjoy the new features!

    Best,
    Lars

  • @LFS said:

    @ralis said:
    I have waited 7 years for this!!!!! Tempo Change! Time Signature track!

    Hi @ralis

    Now we hope you enjoy the new features!

    Best,
    Lars

    Does Iconica Sketch have any choirs ?

  • @gdog said:
    How’s the cpu of the AU version of Sketch - there’s a comment on Doug’s vid, where a guy says he can’t get it working on an iPad Air 3 in AUM..

    To answer my own question - runs fine on my iPad mini6 in AUM - had 4 going with different instruments, various articulations, very impressed 👍

    Also, played with the tempo track automation & time sigs in Cubasis, very impressed with this too! Great job Cubasis team! 👍😻🎹🔊🎸🐬🚀

  • @ecou said:
    Does Iconica Sketch have any choirs ?

    No, not that I can see, maybe they can add more sounds in the future..

  • @gdog said:

    @ecou said:
    Does Iconica Sketch have any choirs ?

    No, not that I can see, maybe they can add more sounds in the future..

    Thank you !

  • edited December 17

    @LFS said:

    @filo01 said:

    @LFS said:

    @Jumpercollins said:
    Looks like you have to download Iconica Sketch twice if you want it in Cubasis 3 so that 3.6 GB in total ! Thankfully I have the space.

    Hi @Jumpercollins

    When you own both Cubasis and Iconica Sketch, you will have the option to install an additional Cubasis plug-in version of the instrument which integrates better. If you decide against it, you can also use the AUv3 version of Iconica Sketch in Cubasis.

    Hope that helps!

    Best,
    Lars

    Is it possible to store Iconica Sketch content to an external drive?
    In the app store I saw the size of 19.4 MB (hooray!), but here I found that it is way more (1.8GB?).
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/iconica-sketch-orchestra-app/id6504404183

    Hi @filo01

    There is no option to store the Iconica Sketch content to an external drive.

    Best,
    Lars

    The storage requirements for the app are a limitation for me. I have a 256 GB iPad Pro, and I use a lot of apps, and in the last year, the space requirements for a number of apps that I own has grown rapidly, especially Logic Pro, and I'm now down to about 30 GB free, and I've trimmed all the stuff that I don't need. I really want to get this, but I'm going to have to decide between this and removing some other apps which I still use. So until I get a bigger iPad, which is a long way off, I'm going to continue to watch what people do with it, and see, but it's going to have to be good enough to replace something else that's taking up 2 GB of space.

    Yes - I could squeeze it in but I'm planning for the next year, and I want enough space to handle what I might need. If there were an option to store the samples on an external device (ala Pure Synth Platinum, Xinematix, some others), it would be a slam dunk. It really does look and sound quite good.

    **Edit: TL;DR
    Iconica Sketch looks fantastic, but I don't have enough space on my iPad.

  • @LFS said:

    @ralis said:
    I have waited 7 years for this!!!!! Tempo Change! Time Signature track!

    Hi @ralis

    Now we hope you enjoy the new features!

    Best,
    Lars

    Actually bought the stand alone Iconica in addition the to free version in the Cubasis 3.7 upgrade just because you guys made me happy!!!!

  • Thanks Lars and team! Really like the update and can’t wait to do some tempo change exploration soon!

  • What an absolutely fantastic update! Great to see long requested features land in Cubasis 3, plus Iconica Sketch sounds astonishingly good. 👏 👏 👏

  • edited December 17

    @LFS said:

    @jonmoore said:

    @LFS said:

    I paid for the AUv3 version of Iconica Sketch, and am able to load it as an AUv3, but I don't see an additional bespoke Cubasis version of Iconica Sketch. I'm running the latest version of Cubasis.

    Any idea what the problem might be?

    Hi @jonmoore

    Please make sure you've fully installed both Iconica Sketch for iPhone/iPad and Cubasis 3.7.
    Once done, please launch Cubasis 3.7 and go to the In-app shop.
    There, go to the "Iconica Sketch" entry and install the content.

    Right after this you should be able to find "Iconica Sketch" next to the other internal Cubasis instruments, and load it from there.

    Does this help resolving your problem?

    Best,
    Lars

    Weird. First thing I did when I saw the announcement this morning was to first purchase Iconica Sketch, and then ensure I updated to the latest Cubasis build, but something must have gone wrong with the update, as a check back in the AppStore showed that I still needed to update Cubasis.

    Everything's working as it should but I must admit, I don't see the logic in having a less powerful version of Iconica Sketch available as an AUv3 than that you make available in Cubasis. I'm assuming there will be an update coming for Dorico, where Iconica Sketch is a critical and much needed addition. It will be crazy if Cubasis has a better version of Iconica Sketch than Dorico.

    If I didn't already own Cubasis, I'd be more than a little miffed in the knowledge that the AUv3 is less powerful when it's not running in a Steinberg host. There's no real excuse for that. Sure, Dorico should have an optimal Orchestration UX with Iconica Sketch, it is a specialist notation application after all, but all iOS DAW owners should be able to access the full bang for their buck.

    If I've misunderstood things and the full Iconica Sketch experience is available in all iOS DAWs via the AUv3, then I'm trying to wrap my head around the fact that the user effectively downloads their IS content twice. It's fine for me, I have 1TB of storage on my iPad Pro, but the Cubasis universe has customers with far less firepower and storage capabilities.

  • @jonmoore said:

    @LFS said:

    @jonmoore said:

    @LFS said:

    Hi @jonmoore

    Dorico already includes a special version of Iconica Sketch .

    Today we've released our stand alone app version of Iconica Sketch for iPhone, iPad and every AU-compatie DAW. If you own both apps Cubasis and Iconica Sketch for iPhone/iPad you can freely choose to use the AUv3 plug-in version or to install the additional Cubasis plug-in version of the instrument (which just provides smoother integration in Cubasis).

    Best,
    Lars

  • @ralis said:

    @LFS said:

    @ralis said:
    I have waited 7 years for this!!!!! Tempo Change! Time Signature track!

    Hi @ralis

    Now we hope you enjoy the new features!

    Best,
    Lars

    Actually bought the stand alone Iconica in addition the to free version in the Cubasis 3.7 upgrade just because you guys made me happy!!!!

    Hi @ralis

    Very nice, we hope you will also enjoy using Iconica Sketch for iPhone and iPad!

    Thanks
    Lars

  • @TheGarageBandGuide said:
    What an absolutely fantastic update! Great to see long requested features land in Cubasis 3, plus Iconica Sketch sounds astonishingly good. 👏 👏 👏

    Thank you @TheGarageBandGuide!

  • @ecou said:
    Does Iconica Sketch have any choirs ? Are they good ?

    No. On the desktop, HALion has a cut-down version of the Olympus Choir library (as well as the full-fat version). If Iconica Sketch is a success, with luck, Steinberg might consider releasing Olympus Choir on iOS too.

  • @LFS Does Iconica Sketch support MPE?

  • @LFS said:

    @jonmoore said:

    @LFS said:

    @jonmoore said:

    @LFS said:

    Hi @jonmoore

    Dorico already includes a special version of Iconica Sketch .

    Today we've released our stand alone app version of Iconica Sketch for iPhone, iPad and every AU-compatie DAW. If you own both apps Cubasis and Iconica Sketch for iPhone/iPad you can freely choose to use the AUv3 plug-in version or to install the additional Cubasis plug-in version of the instrument (which just provides smoother integration in Cubasis).

    Best,
    Lars

    So I fall back on my comment that your music app customers with less powerful iOS devices, that are often already bursting at the seams with music app content, aren't getting the best experience if they need to download the content twice for an optimal Cubasis UX. You can dress it up as a benefit, but that doesn't wash. Surely it would be better to access the same sound content and only upgrade the missing features that Cubasis needs to provide an optimal experience. Downloading the same sound content twice is, simply put, wasteful.

  • @LFS said:

    @jonmoore said:

    @LFS said:

    @jonmoore said:

    @LFS said:

    Hi @jonmoore

    Dorico already includes a special version of Iconica Sketch .

    Best,
    Lars

    I was always under the impression that the Iconica Sketch library on the iPad was a cut down version of that included with Dorico Elements and Dorico Pro on the desktop. I barely use the iPad version these days, although I still maintain my subscription for those days when I don't fancy sketching something out in Staffpad. Plus I like supporting Daniel & the team as Dorico is head and shoulders above the competition when it comes to composition, notation and engraving.

    Good to know that the full-fat Iconica Sketch library is available in Dorico for iPad. It will make it easier to mix and match sketches I start as a notation project but then want to explore further in an iOS DAW.

  • @eross said:
    cool, how big is the iconica sketch app with all those orchestral samples?

    Hi @eross

    The content download for Iconica Sketch for iPhone and iPad is about 1.8 GB.

    Best,
    Lars

  • @Goldiblockz said:
    @LFS are you going to make Iconica Sketch feature parallel with desktop? I was assuming it was already unfortunately.
    At the moment I think? it's missing a couple features that I was really looking forward to using when reading the manual.

    Notably, True Release; and being able to stack articulations. I'm also not finding any indication of True Legato.
    All of these are key features of this plugin. Please let us know if these are coming or currently available. <3

    @LFS ❤️

  • edited December 17

    Iconica Sketch was an insta-buy for me and i did not get disappointed.
    It's great!
    But the size of under 2 GB worries me a little bit, because on the Website of the VST version it mentions a size of 4.6 GB.

    @LFS Is this just compression or is the iOS version a watered down version?
    Although i love it as it is, it would make problems switching a project between iPad and Mac if the versions are different.

  • Really great you all made Iconic Sketch an AUV3 plug in as well as provided compatibility for both the phone and iPad. Well done! Nice to have well recorded bread and butter orchestral sounds in a straight forward package.

  • wimwim
    edited December 17

    @jonmoore said:
    If I didn't already own Cubasis, I'd be more than a little miffed in the knowledge that the AUv3 is less powerful when it's not running in a Steinberg host. There's no real excuse for that. Sure, Dorico should have an optimal Orchestration UX with Iconica Sketch, it is a specialist notation application after all, but all iOS DAW owners should be able to access the full bang for their buck.

    I can think of one possible valid reason ("excuse"). AUv3 plugins have a limited amount of memory available to them. Unless Iconica makes really good use of disk streaming, memory limitations can be a serious limiting factor.

    On another subject - is it confirmed that installing the content in Cubasis actually takes up more physical space as verified by the overall device storage before and after? The file system in iOS/iPadOS is sophisticated and doesn't normally take up more physical storage for copies of files. This can be misleading because if physical storage is shared between apps, it's reported separately for each app. In other words it can be reported twice in the detail while not actually increasing overall device storage. The only way to know for sure is to note overall storage before and after.

  • @HarlekinX said:
    Iconica Sketch was an insta-buy for me and i did not get disappointed.
    It's great!
    But the size of under 2 GB worries me a little bit, because on the Website of the VST version it mentions a size of 4.6 GB.

    @LFS Is this just compression or is the iOS version a watered down version?
    Although i love it as it is, it would make problems switching a project between iPad and Mac if the versions are different.

    It's my fear that it's a watered down version. I asked earlier and received no response, while most other @s to LFS have been replied to happily.

  • @Goldiblockz :It seems we get a more deluxe version if we use it inside of Cubasis vs stand alone..

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