Jim Audio Groove Rider 2 - RELEASED

wim

@Overreach said:

@wim said:

@Overreach said:
The manual says:

Render Pattern to Audio File:
Select it to render currently opened >Pattern to a .wav audio file. The dialog will >prompt you to enter a number of Pattern >repeats to be rendered (from 1 to 32 max). >Available only when the Song Mode is OFF.

I’m selecting all clips in Session Mode but Render Pattern to Audio File: still only renders the last played Scene - nothing more.

Should this export option by changed to say ‘Render Scene to Audio File:’? Could someone check if I’m misinterpreting something or explain how it works with the full pattern? My understanding of which is GRII’s definition of a pattern is the whole project not a just a scene, clip, part or layer.

It may be that you need to have the clips set with the follow actions set so that they play through as a song. I'm referring to where you set the number of repeats for each clip and which pattern they play next. My guess is its rendering the clip launcher "performance" to audio file. I think you need to set things up so that the clips play through in the order you want before rendering.

It might be quicker to record a clip performance to the the timeline, triggering each scene as needed, then render from the timeline.

Yeah did that already with no success. Wondering if anyone else has got a different outcome.

Aware of the ‘record to timeline’ workflow but that begs the question what is the ‘ Render Pattern to Audio File:’ function for?

OK, Jim sorted me out via email. He actually responded several days ago, but I missed it.

Rendering the pattern works as follows:

• [edit] See below: "Number of Repeats" in the popup dialog is really "Number of Scenes/Rows" to render.
• Before rendering, tap and quickly stop the scene that you want to start on.
• Go to Export > Render Pattern to Audio File
• Put the number of rows from there that you want to render when prompted for number of repeats when prompted.
• The resulting export will have one full cycle of each row. Clip follow actions won't have any affect on the export.

Jim explained that rendering based on clip follow actions wouldn't be practical due to other interactions such as step jumps. I suggested that the terminology of "Number of Repeats" is confusing and should be changed to something like "Number of Scenes" or "Number of Rows" to render. I've also asked why the number of repeats can go to 32 when there are only 16 scenes.

[edit] I got it wrong. Here's Jim's answer concerning "number of repeats". If you can figure it out, that's great. I can't make much sense of it. I'll just record to timeline and export from there.

It is not related to "scenes to render", nor "rows to render". The only parameter which is directly linked to this number is Pattern Length, given in bars. The closest term for this is "Number of bars multiplied on Pattern Length to render", or "Number of full Pattern cycles to render" but that will be more confusing.

He also mentioned that scene follow actions have been on his roadmap from the beginning. 👍🏼

yellow_eyez

Complicated coding at its best
I love this thing

jklovemusic

@wim said:

@jklovemusic said:
I'm literally asking how a note start on pattern 1 and end on pattern 2 under Drambo as a potencial user. This is very common for the last phrase at the end of pattern 1

Is that I can add a whole note at the last beat of pattern 1 and the note will will end on pattern 2 beat 3?

Drambo isn't a good fit for that kind of sequencing.

Understand and as I said this is why I didn't join the club in the first place. But I'm considering it for learning to build sound modules from scratch(Before I eventually wanting all different apps haha)

yellow_eyez

https://on.soundcloud.com/kh4QPTCby14HjcWQ8

Edward_Alexander

@jklovemusic said:

@Edward_Alexander said:

@jklovemusic said:

@wim said:

@jklovemusic said:
Edit: isn’t Atom piano roll an AUv3 sequencer?

Yes, and it's fine for some things, but not really a great fit for how I work. Drambo is pretty close. And Octachron for drums. (Patterning 3 too I suppose). Sand looked more promising, or like I'd use it more than the others. But it's not for me. I have my strong host preferences and am simply not at all interested in yet another host.

(I need to get away from all these tempting sequencers anyway and get back to live looping again. I'm losing my spontaneity, spending too much time tweaking things, and my chops are suffering. 🙄)

Seems Drambo has step limit per pattern, how to deal with notes from longer phrase that last on 2 joined patterns? This is the reason I didn't use Drambo

Most of the projects I do in Drambo have phrases that go on for sometimes 2, 3 or even more patterns long.

I’ve never looked at the steps per patterns as a limitation myself.

I try to think of it more like pages in a book.

No, of course I can’t fit an entire first chapter on the first page, and I don’t concern myself with how many pages it might take to finish a chapter. And then of course some chapters might be longer than others.

There’s always going to be a limit of some sort. Could you imagine someone turning their nose up at Grooverider 2 with “oh I need more than 16 x 16 clips” or “whaaat, GR2 doesn’t do FM synthesis? Unusable!” 🤪

I'm literally asking how a note start on pattern 1 and end on pattern 2 under Drambo as a potencial user. This is very common for the last phrase at the end of pattern 1

Is that I can add a whole note at the last beat of pattern 1 and the note will will end on pattern 2 beat 3?

Oh I get it. Usually when I have a pattern with a line like that, I’ll either combine pattern 1 and 2 (for example pattern 1 was 4 bars, and pattern 2 was 4 bars. Now I have an 8 bar pattern, and that lead line can run through bars 1 thru 7 naturally (or 3 thru 8 or whatever)
I’ve become very used to shifting patterns around, and working around things like that. The clipboard copy/paste functions work very well for copying individual bars from patterns and pasting into other clips/patterns.

Otherwise, depending on the instrument, matching the note and it’s velocity on the beginning of the next pattern from where it ended on the previous pattern can sound seamless most of the time.

Edit: sorry, I do realize this is the GR2 thread, but @jklovemusic definitely get Drambo also, if for nothing else, the amazing modular synth. And big things are coming for Drambo btw.

Edward_Alexander

@yellow_eyez said:
https://on.soundcloud.com/kh4QPTCby14HjcWQ8

Pretty cool! Kinda funky!

yellow_eyez

@Edward_Alexander said:

@yellow_eyez said:
https://on.soundcloud.com/kh4QPTCby14HjcWQ8

Pretty cool! Kinda funky!

Thx man

Blipsford_Baubie

@yellow_eyez said:
https://on.soundcloud.com/kh4QPTCby14HjcWQ8

I like the ragga vibe. Explain yourself. Is this you?

jklovemusic

Just realized the Ableton Link of GR2 only sync tempo without start/stop. I don’t get it. Why missing this out?

Overreach

@wim said:

@Overreach said:

@wim said:

@Overreach said:
The manual says:

Render Pattern to Audio File:
Select it to render currently opened >Pattern to a .wav audio file. The dialog will >prompt you to enter a number of Pattern >repeats to be rendered (from 1 to 32 max). >Available only when the Song Mode is OFF.

I’m selecting all clips in Session Mode but Render Pattern to Audio File: still only renders the last played Scene - nothing more.

Should this export option by changed to say ‘Render Scene to Audio File:’? Could someone check if I’m misinterpreting something or explain how it works with the full pattern? My understanding of which is GRII’s definition of a pattern is the whole project not a just a scene, clip, part or layer.

It may be that you need to have the clips set with the follow actions set so that they play through as a song. I'm referring to where you set the number of repeats for each clip and which pattern they play next. My guess is its rendering the clip launcher "performance" to audio file. I think you need to set things up so that the clips play through in the order you want before rendering.

It might be quicker to record a clip performance to the the timeline, triggering each scene as needed, then render from the timeline.

Yeah did that already with no success. Wondering if anyone else has got a different outcome.

Aware of the ‘record to timeline’ workflow but that begs the question what is the ‘ Render Pattern to Audio File:’ function for?

OK, Jim sorted me out via email. He actually responded several days ago, but I missed it.

Rendering the pattern works as follows:

• [edit] See below: "Number of Repeats" in the popup dialog is really "Number of Scenes/Rows" to render.
• Before rendering, tap and quickly stop the scene that you want to start on.
• Go to Export > Render Pattern to Audio File
• Put the number of rows from there that you want to render when prompted for number of repeats when prompted.
• The resulting export will have one full cycle of each row. Clip follow actions won't have any affect on the export.

Jim explained that rendering based on clip follow actions wouldn't be practical due to other interactions such as step jumps. I suggested that the terminology of "Number of Repeats" is confusing and should be changed to something like "Number of Scenes" or "Number of Rows" to render. I've also asked why the number of repeats can go to 32 when there are only 16 scenes.

[edit] I got it wrong. Here's Jim's answer concerning "number of repeats". If you can figure it out, that's great. I can't make much sense of it. I'll just record to timeline and export from there.

It is not related to "scenes to render", nor "rows to render". The only parameter which is directly linked to this number is Pattern Length, given in bars. The closest term for this is "Number of bars multiplied on Pattern Length to render", or "Number of full Pattern cycles to render" but that will be more confusing.

He also mentioned that scene follow actions have been on his roadmap from the beginning. 👍🏼

Thanks for trying to get this clarified but you’re right, it makes no sense and doesn’t work.

I’ve tried multiple tests on a Pattern with only one Part but six Scenes. I tap and quickly stop Scene 1 then on Number of Repeats I enter six (in the hope of getting one render of the six Scenes). What I actually get is six repeats of Scene 1. It doesn’t function very well at present.

Also, not taking into account Follow Actions isn’t very good when you just want to create alternative mixes in Clip Mode and simply just want to render a mix to listen back to, without messing around with the timeline view. A pretty common use case. Especially unhelpful when you’ve committed a potential master mix to the timeline already, and just need to test alternative section mixes.

Just getting a simple render direct from Clip Mode, without needing to print to the timeline, is a reasonable initial expectation.

Hopefully the Dev supports this.

yellow_eyez

@Blipsford_Baubie said:

@yellow_eyez said:
https://on.soundcloud.com/kh4QPTCby14HjcWQ8

I like the ragga vibe. Explain yourself. Is this you?

Hey man! Long time no speak… lol I will explain myself sir: Yes. This was my FIRST complete track, albeit short, I’ve done in months. I haven’t been inspired or really into anything lately, and a great friend got me the entire GR II suite for my bday (Jim audios apps: GR II+ poison 202+ pure acid) last week, so I had to get to work on my own challenge: write a 2 minute song using only Pure Acid, Poison 202, and GR II….and that is what emerged.

As usual, I went for my middle eastern sound, I have fought it for years, but it seems I cant shake it, so why try? I’ll just embrace it and apply it since it seems to give me a unique sound and it seems some people dig it.

What’s funny is someone asked me “for a metal guitarist how do you end up producing such avant garde electronic stuff” cuz im not “an experimental” musician or music listener, im a stone cold metal guitarist. But when I have my iPad or OP-1f, i cant help myself from going into like experimental territories, and maybe its the repressed conservatory in me who just wants to play with sound rather than adhere to strict musical rules (if something didnt work “theoretically” I refused to even consider using it, often forcing me to stop in my tracks)

Sorry for the long winded reply but GR II is very inspiring to me, and it helps me stay fresh and creative, even if it is a little out there sometimes….but thank you for the shout out and for asking about it. If you liked it, that makes me very happy so thanks to you and Edward for saying so

Very nice way to start my day so i hope you (and everyone) also have a great one

djmitchella

For what it's worth, someone posted a workaround for the "some plugins don't quite match for sync because of the 48/44.1khz thing" earlier on.

https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/comment/1386083/#Comment_1386083

I tried that and it works for Scaler 2, I suspect it'll do the same thing for Harmony Bloom.

Another potential fix is to plug in a 3.5mm headset with mic -- sometimes that'll let you select 44.1khz sample rate from the audio menu in GR2 (edit: GR2, not LP2, my mistake) and then plugins match up. This doesn't work with every headset, though, I'm not sure what's different between ones that do and ones that don't).

Edward_Alexander

Sweet! Launchpad pro MK3 support added!

cokomairena

@Edward_Alexander said:
Sweet! Launchpad pro MK3 support added!

cokomairena

wim

@Overreach said:
I’ve tried multiple tests on a Pattern with only one Part but six Scenes. I tap and quickly stop Scene 1 then on Number of Repeats I enter six (in the hope of getting one render of the six Scenes). What I actually get is six repeats of Scene 1. It doesn’t function very well at present.

Yes, I told Jim that I appreciated his explanation but that I was more confused than ever but would just use record to timeline and export from there.

Also, not taking into account Follow Actions isn’t very good when you just want to create alternative mixes in Clip Mode and simply just want to render a mix to listen back to, without messing around with the timeline view. A pretty common use case. Especially unhelpful when you’ve committed a potential master mix to the timeline already, and just need to test alternative section mixes.

Just getting a simple render direct from Clip Mode, without needing to print to the timeline, is a reasonable initial expectation.

Hopefully the Dev supports this.

I dunno. It didn't seem like he and I were connecting on this one. Knowing how well he thinks things out, I'm sure there's clear logic behind it, but I just don't get it.

I was thinking about it, and it seems to me that if he just had exactly the same workflow as record to timeline, but had it render to an audio export, that would do it. That seems like it should be dead simple and not much work to implement. But it's not for me to say if that's practical to do or not.

I can live with dumping to the timeline and exporting from there. It's really only a tiny bit more effort.

Overreach

When rendering clips to the timeline I’m getting missed bars. Has anyone else experienced that?

wim

@yellow_eyez said:
What’s funny is someone asked me “for a metal guitarist how do you end up producing such avant garde electronic stuff” cuz im not “an experimental” musician or music listener, im a stone cold metal guitarist. But when I have my iPad or OP-1f, i cant help myself from going into like experimental territories, and maybe its the repressed conservatory in me who just wants to play with sound rather than adhere to strict musical rules (if something didnt work “theoretically” I refused to even consider using it, often forcing me to stop in my tracks)

Metal guitar + middle eastern scales and rhythms are a great combination. You should consider coping in some guitar parts over your electronic stuff after the fact. Just a handful of riffs recorded into the sampler, then salted around the place and maybe glitched out some with automation here and there, would be cool.

oscillotus

@wim said:

@yellow_eyez said:
What’s funny is someone asked me “for a metal guitarist how do you end up producing such avant garde electronic stuff” cuz im not “an experimental” musician or music listener, im a stone cold metal guitarist. But when I have my iPad or OP-1f, i cant help myself from going into like experimental territories, and maybe its the repressed conservatory in me who just wants to play with sound rather than adhere to strict musical rules (if something didnt work “theoretically” I refused to even consider using it, often forcing me to stop in my tracks)

Metal guitar + middle eastern scales and rhythms are a great combination. You should consider coping in some guitar parts over your electronic stuff after the fact. Just a handful of riffs recorded into the sampler, then salted around the place and maybe glitched out some with automation here and there, would be cool.

Not electronic, but Bloodywood comes to my mind. Also some Infected Mushroom stuff feels metal inspired and has some eastern sounds.

wim

@oscillotus said:

@wim said:

@yellow_eyez said:
What’s funny is someone asked me “for a metal guitarist how do you end up producing such avant garde electronic stuff” cuz im not “an experimental” musician or music listener, im a stone cold metal guitarist. But when I have my iPad or OP-1f, i cant help myself from going into like experimental territories, and maybe its the repressed conservatory in me who just wants to play with sound rather than adhere to strict musical rules (if something didnt work “theoretically” I refused to even consider using it, often forcing me to stop in my tracks)

Metal guitar + middle eastern scales and rhythms are a great combination. You should consider coping in some guitar parts over your electronic stuff after the fact. Just a handful of riffs recorded into the sampler, then salted around the place and maybe glitched out some with automation here and there, would be cool.

Not electronic, but Bloodywood comes to my mind. Also some Infected Mushroom stuff feels metal inspired and has some eastern sounds.

Def. Infected Mushroom!
Those guys are who I want to be when I grow up.

eross

new update, anybody know if Iconica Sketch is working correctly as an AU in there yet?

FizzyLizzy27

@wim said:

@oscillotus said:

@wim said:

@yellow_eyez said:
What’s funny is someone asked me “for a metal guitarist how do you end up producing such avant garde electronic stuff” cuz im not “an experimental” musician or music listener, im a stone cold metal guitarist. But when I have my iPad or OP-1f, i cant help myself from going into like experimental territories, and maybe its the repressed conservatory in me who just wants to play with sound rather than adhere to strict musical rules (if something didnt work “theoretically” I refused to even consider using it, often forcing me to stop in my tracks)

Metal guitar + middle eastern scales and rhythms are a great combination. You should consider coping in some guitar parts over your electronic stuff after the fact. Just a handful of riffs recorded into the sampler, then salted around the place and maybe glitched out some with automation here and there, would be cool.

Not electronic, but Bloodywood comes to my mind. Also some Infected Mushroom stuff feels metal inspired and has some eastern sounds.

Def. Infected Mushroom!
Those guys are who I want to be when I grow up.

I’ve wanted to get into making IM style music. Anyone have thoughts on where to start and what direction to go? I know that’s broad, but I’ve had that goal for a long time. Kinda what got me into this whole iPad production rabbit hole/money trap.

Edward_Alexander

@wim said:

@yellow_eyez said:
What’s funny is someone asked me “for a metal guitarist how do you end up producing such avant garde electronic stuff” cuz im not “an experimental” musician or music listener, im a stone cold metal guitarist. But when I have my iPad or OP-1f, i cant help myself from going into like experimental territories, and maybe its the repressed conservatory in me who just wants to play with sound rather than adhere to strict musical rules (if something didnt work “theoretically” I refused to even consider using it, often forcing me to stop in my tracks)

Metal guitar + middle eastern scales and rhythms are a great combination. You should consider coping in some guitar parts over your electronic stuff after the fact. Just a handful of riffs recorded into the sampler, then salted around the place and maybe glitched out some with automation here and there, would be cool.

Well I’m not @yellow_eyez but this is pretty close to the direction I’ve been heading.

Edward_Alexander

@eross said:
new update, anybody know if Iconica Sketch is working correctly as an AU in there yet?

Sadly no. Still silent.

yellow_eyez

@wim said:

@yellow_eyez said:
What’s funny is someone asked me “for a metal guitarist how do you end up producing such avant garde electronic stuff” cuz im not “an experimental” musician or music listener, im a stone cold metal guitarist. But when I have my iPad or OP-1f, i cant help myself from going into like experimental territories, and maybe its the repressed conservatory in me who just wants to play with sound rather than adhere to strict musical rules (if something didnt work “theoretically” I refused to even consider using it, often forcing me to stop in my tracks)

Metal guitar + middle eastern scales and rhythms are a great combination. You should consider coping in some guitar parts over your electronic stuff after the fact. Just a handful of riffs recorded into the sampler, then salted around the place and maybe glitched out some with automation here and there, would be cool.

Well you guys just gave me an inspired idea

Be back with some more [time to learn sampler]

(Thanks Wim and Edward )

oscillotus

Looking forward to try the step sequencer updates! Should be good QoL improvements for faster workflow.

yellow_eyez

Added just a little guitar

https://on.soundcloud.com/3ZgBDMVrXhbqkm2B9

Blipsford_Baubie

Before i update, i want to make sure nothing will interfere or change the MIDI mappings going to Drambo from my LP X while in Custom Mode.

wim

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
Before i update, i want to make sure nothing will interfere or change the MIDI mappings going to Drambo from my LP X while in Custom Mode.

That seems unlikely. But how you gonna find out without updating anyway?

wim

@yellow_eyez said:
Added just a little guitar

https://on.soundcloud.com/3ZgBDMVrXhbqkm2B9

Nice!