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jAmp Percussive by Jan Maes (Released)

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  • @wim said:
    I'm not sure if this is something already being worked on @janm31415, but I notice with the current version, note on and note off are being sent virtually simultaneously. This is confusing target apps. Drum hits should generally be no less than perhaps a 64th note, generally more like a 16th note or 32nd note in length. Any shorter and they're impossible to edit in some sequencers.

    Note how the note one and note off are arriving during the same millisecond below:

    It was intended to have a 16th note length between note on and note off so I’ll double check this.

  • @janm31415
    (I still want to investigate the Logic Pro crash further. Didn't find the cause yet.)

    I can confirm Logic Pro crashes when trying to initiate Percussive. I purchased the IAP, this is a huge deal if I can’t use it with my DAW. Hope the fix for Logic is a priority.

  • edited March 9

    @wim said:
    I would love to see drum kit presets that are separate from the patterns. The idea would be to be able to have a pattern running and swap in different kits.

    I suppose another level would be individual hit presets. Kit presets would be enough for me though if cut and paste could work between presets.

    +1 for individual kit presets. Even if you can copy/paste between kits it would be extremely tedious and convoluted.
    I would also add as a big issue the missing “open hat”. Even if you can get around it by using one of the other “cymbal engine” slots, it will always be a bit messy. As you can’t rename the I’d say an open hat is, in most cases, more needed than, say, a cowbell.
    In my opinion this whole “slot management “ is too rigid and doesn’t make a lot of sense. If I can assign a midi note to a pad. Why can’t I rename the pad?. I can live with the 8 pad limitation for the sequencer. But we should be able to choose an open Hihat over a crash if needed. Or have 4 rides and no hihats or cowbell. This would make the app a lot more usable.
    Why fix it to 5 membrane and 3 cymbal slots?. That fixed structure is too rigid, I can’t see the reason why you couldn’t just have the pads select one engine or the other. The “top-membrane”, “bottom-cymbal” might make sense from a developers perspective but not from an end-user’s view. It’s also odd to have non-named pads. If I had to compromise to the current 8 pads for the sequencer I’d prefer it, and it’d be a lot easier, if there was just 8 pads and you could assign any engine to each. Ability to rename would be huge too, or at least choose from a wider selection, including open hat, or ride 1 and ride 2 for example. Why 16 pads if you can only sequence 8 and you only have 8 outputs?.

    This is a superb sounding app but making it a little more flexible and user friendly would really push it to the next level. I hope you take is as constructive criticism. 🙌

  • edited March 9

    @tahiche said:

    +1 for individual kit presets. Even if you can copy/paste between kits it would be extremely tedious and convoluted.
    I would also add as a big issue the missing “open hat”. Even if you can get around it by using one of the other “cymbal engine” slots, it will always be a bit messy. As you can’t rename the I’d say an open hat is, in most cases, more needed than, say, a cowbell.
    In my opinion this whole “slot management “ is too rigid and doesn’t make a lot of sense. If I can assign a midi note to a pad. Why can’t I rename the pad?. I can live with the 8 pad limitation for the sequencer. But we should be able to choose an open Hihat over a crash if needed. Or have 4 rides and no hihats or cowbell. This would make the app a lot more usable.
    Why fix it to 5 membrane and 3 cymbal slots?. That fixed structure is too rigid, I can’t see the reason why you couldn’t just have the pads select one engine or the other. The “top-membrane”, “bottom-cymbal” might make sense from a developers perspective but not from an end-user’s view. It’s also odd to have non-named pads. If I had to compromise to the current 8 pads for the sequencer I’d prefer it, and it’d be a lot easier, if there was just 8 pads and you could assign any engine to each. Ability to rename would be huge too, or at least choose from a wider selection, including open hat, or ride 1 and ride 2 for example. Why 16 pads if you can only sequence 8 and you only have 8 outputs?.

    This is a superb sounding app but making it a little more flexible and user friendly would really push it to the next level. I hope you take is as constructive criticism. 🙌

    Those sound like very valid pieces of constructive criticism 👍👍

  • For those who like, I created a Techno preset. Curious if it works out. (I hope it will not turn into shambles after an update).

  • I can confirm that crashes Logic Pro on my iPad Air with IOS 18.

  • This app rules. I just sampled a sequence a few different ways into my Digitakt 2 (and then a few passes of Bleep), and have basically instant Jazztronica. I had to stop what I was doing to buy the full version. Great app, can’t wait to see where it goes.

  • @unlink said:
    I can confirm that crashes Logic Pro on my iPad Air with IOS 18.

    @tahiche said:

    I can confirm Logic Pro crashes when trying to initiate Percussive. I purchased the IAP, this is a huge deal if I can’t use it with my DAW. Hope the fix for Logic is a priority.

    Thanks, good to know it’s not just me, yeah, I’m very glad @janm31415 is working on getting this fixed as it makes it unusable for most of those who would be interested in it imo or acoustic instruments (I would have to return it sadly). But It’s great to see devs being so responsive on forums though so hopefully resolved soon.

    This was a nice surprise. I wasn’t looking for another drum app as one shot fulfils that. So I think if it gets fixed this and one shot would be a lovely combination of options.

    Then all we’d need is a Modo bass style app - would you ever be interested in something like that @janm31415?

  • @tahiche said:

    +1 for individual kit presets. Even if you can copy/paste between kits it would be extremely tedious and convoluted.
    I would also add as a big issue the missing “open hat”. Even if you can get around it by using one of the other “cymbal engine” slots, it will always be a bit messy. As you can’t rename the I’d say an open hat is, in most cases, more needed than, say, a cowbell.
    In my opinion this whole “slot management “ is too rigid and doesn’t make a lot of sense. If I can assign a midi note to a pad. Why can’t I rename the pad?. I can live with the 8 pad limitation for the sequencer. But we should be able to choose an open Hihat over a crash if needed. Or have 4 rides and no hihats or cowbell. This would make the app a lot more usable.
    Why fix it to 5 membrane and 3 cymbal slots?. That fixed structure is too rigid, I can’t see the reason why you couldn’t just have the pads select one engine or the other. The “top-membrane”, “bottom-cymbal” might make sense from a developers perspective but not from an end-user’s view. It’s also odd to have non-named pads. If I had to compromise to the current 8 pads for the sequencer I’d prefer it, and it’d be a lot easier, if there was just 8 pads and you could assign any engine to each. Ability to rename would be huge too, or at least choose from a wider selection, including open hat, or ride 1 and ride 2 for example. Why 16 pads if you can only sequence 8 and you only have 8 outputs?.

    This is a superb sounding app but making it a little more flexible and user friendly would really push it to the next level. I hope you take is as constructive criticism. 🙌

    This is an excellent post and I echo the sentiments. I do feel it’s constructive as if the app didn’t sound so good, we wouldn’t be so enthusiastic about adding and fixing a few things, resulting in detailed posts like this. This would really elevate the app for me too.

  • Could someone be so kind and explain to me what makes this app so special? I see everybody raving about it, but as a newbie in drum programming (used to use loops), I tried it and don't "get" the hype... I'd appreciate a few pointers that I could try out to see it for myself because this is surely a lack of understanding from my part! Thanks!!

  • @janm31415 said:

    Hi, I will fix this in the next release. Thanks for bringing this up.

    Congrats on the release! @janm31415

    I did notice that issue too but thought it was the latency as opposed to release trigger.

    I do not have the issue of double trigger (on and off notes). It works very well with BopPad.

    What I’d like to see is midi learn for the sound shaping parameters.

  • Also, it would be useful if the pads lit up when receiving midi note messages. Currently there’s no easy way to know which pad is playing in order to edit it.

  • @janm31415 said:
    Small update on what I've done today code-wise. I plan to send a new release to Apple as soon as possible. Don't worry if your favorite request is not in there. I'll continue working on some requests.

    • added "double tap" to reset parameters.
    • The drum buttons work now as soon as you press down (and not up).
    • I coupled the active synthesizer to the active sequencer channel (The synth view and sequencer view will have the same channel active)
    • There is an "Export all" button for the presets that will create a .zip file with all presets
    • The knobs are controlled vertically at normal speed, but I've added a horizontal gesture also that allows for much finer control.
    • Added left and right buttons to cycle through the presets without the need to open the presets page.
    • The drop down menus: you don't have to hit the text precisely to active them anymore, the whole gray-colored area will now activate the menu.
    • I've updated the colors of the light theme. I still like the dark theme best, but I like to have some good light theme also, but it's hard to find good colors :)
    • I removed panning and volume control from the output busses. (Note that muted channels will also be muted in the output busses. The reason is that if for instance Tom Lo and Tom Hi are muted, then the internal groove system will replace hits on those toms by hits on the snare. So the muting has an impact on the groove algorithms, and therefore muting behaves a little bit different than you would expect. I will still think a bit deeper about this, maybe I can come up with something)
    • Added coloring to the sequencer so that the beats are accentuated, and also the active steps are visualized.
    • Long press on a pattern will open it, but the sequencer will continue playing the previous pattern (when in manual mode).
    • I think I fixed a copy/paste concurrency bug when pasting patterns. ('think' because I couldn't reproduce the bug anymore, but concurrency bugs are hard to debug)

    That's it I think.
    (I still want to investigate the Logic Pro crash further. Didn't find the cause yet.)

    BTW Jan, there should really also be a Batch IMPORT button too. Otherwise, users have to rely on the share sheet which is buggy, meaning that for some users at least, it's likely that Jamp Percussive will not appear on the list of destinations and there's nothing to be done about it apart from deleting tons of apps so the share sheet is populated with fewer destinations.

  • big thanks @janm31415 for your fine work on JAmp Percussive! & special thanks for proper MacOS support.

    i am trying to approximate a very short, delicate high hat sound from my current drum fx. but the minimum decay in the cymbal synth is too long, and the difference between the minimum and 0.01 too extreme. any chance of finer control here?

    and +1 on the request for independent decay for noise and mallet. a short noise pulse against a more sustained mallet tone would be very useful imo.

  • Unfortunately it crashes Logic on Mac on startup too.

  • Can you live record in this after purchasing the iap or is it only step input?

  • wimwim
    edited March 9

    @Overreach said:
    Can you live record in this after purchasing the iap or is it only step input?

    Only step input.
    What you see in the demo is what you get with the IAP.

  • @Overreach said:
    Can you live record in this after purchasing the iap or is it only step input?

    No recording.

  • edited March 9

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  • @Slush said:
    For those who like, I created a Techno preset. Curious if it works out. (I hope it will not turn into shambles after an update).

    Import doesn’t seem to work.

  • @Slush said:
    For those who like, I created a Techno preset. Curious if it works out. (I hope it will not turn into shambles after an update).

    Import doesn’t seem to work.

  • edited March 9

    @oscillotus said:
    Could someone be so kind and explain to me what makes this app so special? I see everybody raving about it, but as a newbie in drum programming (used to use loops), I tried it and don't "get" the hype... I'd appreciate a few pointers that I could try out to see it for myself because this is surely a lack of understanding from my part! Thanks!!

    Speaking for myself and my own use case, this is a modelled acoustic drums app, so if you’re looking for realistic dynamics in live drums which is something that has been missing in iOS until one shot, this app is fantastic. One shot is great but it’s sampled whereas I think this is modelled so everything reacts and sounds much more like a real world instrument in terms of dynamics - that’s specifically where modelled instruments are much better than sampled.

    I don’t focus on electronic music so much and am not into sequencing aside from what is necessary. Others with different focuses may have different takes on the app, I have no idea about any sequencing aspects. Also others who have more experience with this may correctly tell me I’m wrong haha

  • @Philandering_Bastard said:

    Import doesn’t seem to work.

    Same.

  • @oscillotus said:
    Could someone be so kind and explain to me what makes this app so special? I see everybody raving about it, but as a newbie in drum programming (used to use loops), I tried it and don't "get" the hype... I'd appreciate a few pointers that I could try out to see it for myself because this is surely a lack of understanding from my part! Thanks!!

    I'm not raving about it, but I do like it well enough.

    First, I like that I can experiment with shaping acoustic-ish drum sounds fairly easily. Most synth drums aren't anywhere close to sounding like acoustic drums (which is fine too). Most acoustic drums are purely sample based. That's fine if I'm going for the closest sounds to real that I can get, but I have to wade through piles of samples looking for what I want. I don't enjoy that process. With Percussive, there's more room to mess directly with the sounds. tbh, except for the snares, I find it a bit hard to get what I want, but I can get decent enough sounds, and they have some unique character. Sounding the same as "real" can get boring too.

    Second, the sequencer has a bit of magic sauce for automatically adding variation. I find it a bit difficult to tame to what I feel is musical/realistic, but it can get there. For me it's a lazy way to get something a bit more varied than I can normally put together by sequencing myself.

    Lastly, being designed by someone who actually plays drums, and liked by forum members who I know play drums, I tend to listen. As a guitar player, virtually no guitar app sounds convincing to me, no matter how others gush about it. So when people who play drums say they like something like this, that gets my attention.

    That isn't to say I'm super excited about it. But, for little more than the price of a coffee, I'm not going to do a whole lot of soul searching over it. I'll have my fun with it and either it'll get used in the long-run or it won't.

    I hope that helps.

  • @seawind161 said:

    Same.

    Indeed, import is not working @janm31415

  • Hi all, been busy today trying to make a new release.
    I think I've managed to fix the Logic Pro issue on iPad (which is actually an issue in Logic Pro, but I found a workaround). I'm now in the process of going through the Apple review process again for version v1.1.

    As for the import: The current "Import Preset" will not make a new preset available in the list yet, but your current settings are loaded from the file. So if you import the Tecno file, you can just close the Presets window and press play. You can also save the preset with the "Save Preset" button, but by default, the file is not added to the list yet. It just overwrites your current settings.

    After v1.1, I will continue working on some suggestions from tahiche and others here on the forum. Will also work on some batch import, and maybe immediately add an imported preset to the list of User Presets.

  • @janm31415 said:
    Hi all, been busy today trying to make a new release.
    I think I've managed to fix the Logic Pro issue on iPad (which is actually an issue in Logic Pro, but I found a workaround). I'm now in the process of going through the Apple review process again for version v1.1.

    As for the import: The current "Import Preset" will not make a new preset available in the list yet, but your current settings are loaded from the file. So if you import the Tecno file, you can just close the Presets window and press play. You can also save the preset with the "Save Preset" button, but by default, the file is not added to the list yet. It just overwrites your current settings.

    After v1.1, I will continue working on some suggestions from tahiche and others here on the forum. Will also work on some batch import, and maybe immediately add an imported preset to the list of User Presets.

    Thanks so much for all your work and engaging with everyone here. It’s such a cool app and I’m really looking forward to doing some recording with it as I’ve just got back into it and built my home studio.

    I love modelled instruments and it was such a good surprise.

    I don’t know if you saw but do you think you’d ever be interested in making a modelled bass guitar app? @janm31415
    I feel like it’s one of the few niches as yet unfilled on iOS for people making guitar music etc. I mean, I have got an actual bass but…

  • Crashed GarageBand on macOS, Logic Pro refused to validate it (also on macOS).

  • Thanks @wim and @Parthand the explanation. It surely helps. Will test a bit more with the variation options!

  • I noticed that import instead of creating a file in the preset browser just seems to load settings of the imported file as current settings and one has to save it manually to a new name.
    Thanks Slush for the Techno preset 👍🏼

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