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Song of the Month Club - May

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  • edited May 2015

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  • @richardyot - Read your guideliness. Good guidelines! I shall give more feedback on others creations. I have listened last month to a lot of the contributions, and didn't felt the need to comment on it, just didn't know what to say about it, some contributions are just not what I like, but others I certainly did like aspects of them, and still didn't comment. Perhaps out of laziness. I intend to be more a participant in commenting.
    Love this Track Of The Month thing! Your words in a previous post (about singing) and certainly also Johnny's words about it, are inspirational for me to get me singing. The song I just posted, I never would have made it if this topic didn't exist. So, thanks!

  • @Marcel Nice and mellow, good glide, I like it. Could easily imagine many singers singing over this and that, it seems, is like some acid test: Does this feel like a song far more important in this exercise and than do I like it or not, but as mentioned, I do.

    Aside: I could hear Karen Peris (The Innocence Mission) so close to starting to sing on this I was almost surprised when another basso profundo (like myself) started in :)

    I think this is a creditable first effort. You have a good ear for melody and the chorus, as should be the case I guess, is more hooky (technical term) than the verse. As has been discussed elsewhere on SOTMC (kind of like Fight Club, but we're allowed to talk about it....) sometimes our shyness -of whatever you call it- is our biggest enemy with singing. We hold our voices back in our throats, whereas actually letting them be bolder also generally makes them sound better. Some of this is function of breathing, but most I suspect is purely confidence, and how do you get that if you haven't got it and etc etc.

    Interestingly, it sounded to me that your singing was more tuneful and textured in the secondary harmony and my first instinct was to swap the mix around and set the more monotone, lower, primary voice as the backing. Just a thought.

    Sing more, sing a lot, sing in the shower, sing in the car, sing your shopping list, sing your reasons to be cheerful (as Uncle Ian used to suggest...). Keep at it.

  • @Marcel that's a great vocal melody, what an amazing first try. The singing itself is a little bit raw, but actually that kind of adds to the charm of the song, it's a little bit like when the guys in AIR sing, technically imperfect but it actually adds something to the song.

    Overall that's a great song IMO.

  • edited May 2015

    Thanks a lot guys - @JohnnyGoodyear and @richardyot - for the positive feedback! Great you like it! :) And thanks for your ideas about it.

  • @redsky, a very nice piece I thought.
    @Marcel, man I wish I could play the guitar like that! First song had a great vibe and I thought your second song (which I listened to twice btw) was awesome,I thought your singing was perfect for the mood of that song.
    @geminiknight,I loved that bassline man.very cool! Also a cool change up at the end.

  • @LostBoy85 Still more than two weeks (nearly three!) left in May you know. Plenty of time to rustle something up and send it on in (at least that's what I'm currently telling myself.... :)

  • @geminiknight05 like your track alot. Nice groove and bass sounds work well. love the end section

  • @Marcel Really great track, mellow, understated, nice piece of songwriting. Hope you develop it further but without changing the overall vibe too much

  • edited May 2015

    I can't carry on with this one. We start off thinking we're casually mining some old memories, summoned up from the basement for a quick polish. I had the title first and in my cold head joked to myself that I should really call it 'An exploitation...' All grist to the mill, right? But after writing it out, and then cutting it down, and then cutting it back some more, to the point where the meaning to a reader or listener is almost abstract, I find that it's a bitter memory of time wasted and time gone.

    So, anyway, it should have another verse or two probably, and some day I might add them, but for now, not as a song maybe, but as a report to myself, this is more than enough. And I really need to move on to the next thing. Something harsh and meaningless maybe after going down into the pit further than I'd planned to or imagined.

    I certainly tried to enunciate the vocal, or that was the plan, but I've a feeling clarity got lost along the way:

    An Explanation of the Break-Up

    And so

    the phone rings

    no more

    does my heart sing

    when there's no one close beside you

    nowhere left to run

    release yourself

    into the arms of all that's said and done

    You choose to walk on in

    one brighter wedding day

    but now the time has come

    for the heart to have its say

    for the heart to have its say

    for the heart to have its say...

  • edited May 2015

    @JohnnyGoodyear what you have there is really good, but unfinished. I'm not clear why you gave up on it, but you should see it through.

    The atmosphere is great, but it needs some build up, at the moment it's all tension and no release. Your voice once again is fantastic, but as you say yourself it needs at least one more verse and some build-up/layering. A bridge would be nice, even just an instrumental one, and then a final verse or chorus.

    There is a really good song here, tantalizingly close to being done. Finish it, because that's what the SOFTMC is all about, there's almost 3 weeks of the month left.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear - Really great Johnny!! Fabulous! If you can't go on, you can't. Or you just can't go on right now, at this moment. I would not force it. Leave it for now, take a look , a peek, at it again another moment after you have let it go, after more distance from it. Or not, when its too unpleasant. But what it is now: great! There are / must be different angles / perspective to the thing, you only can't see that when you are in the middle of it.

  • edited May 2015

    @richardyot said:
    Starting early this month, I've recorded a (very) rough demo of my song, just the bare bones. The finished thing will be more fleshed out and have a different arrangement.

    Nice, the vocals have a Syd Barrett tone to them (a good thing).

    @RedSkyLullaby said:
    Woooop. actually finished a track. Is a version/remix of Martin Neuhold guitar track. Bunch of people done versions spawned from same track.

    I like that, nice structure and good use of a simple guitar theme throughout. Given me a few ideas this one...

    @Marcel said:
    My contribution this month is: Yep, Springtime Again!

    Very clean sounding, good song structure - I really like that, great song and I like the dreamy vocals. Classy.

    @geminiknight05 said:
    I'll try it out. My May song:

    I like the sound of the bass, I feel the drums are letting it down a bit though - they need to be bigger and harder to work with the Cyclopesque bass...

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    But after writing it out, and then cutting it down, and then cutting it back some more, to the point where the meaning to a reader or listener is almost abstract, I find that it's a bitter memory of time wasted and time gone.

    Loads of raw emotion in this one, but you're doing your best to cover it up with effects on the vocals. Don't hide behind the FLUX box, let your voice roar raw.

  • Just add, this whole "Club" thing kinda started by accident when I mentioned that a friend of mine had challenged me to write and record at least one song a month, and then Johnny jumped on the idea and the ball started rolling from there (obviously Johnny knew at some level he needed this).

    I'm actually amazed at how much traction it's getting, because well, generally apathy wins and projects like this tend to sink due to lack of of enthusiasm and engagement. For me that wouldn't have mattered, I would have just carried on by myself (not that easily discouraged), but, and now I am finally getting to the point of this post, what is really pleasing is to see people stepping forward and submitting songs, and singing despite their fears of what people might think of them - and completely confounding expectations with some great songs and great singing. Even if the singing is a little raw and imperfect it actually doesn't matter.

    The best thing about the last two contributions from Marcel and Johnny is that both the songs convey emotion (and without the vocals that would be considerably diminished), you really feel the sadness in both those songs - and different kinds of sadness in each. That's what music should do IMO, and that's what makes this club thing so inspiring, to see people stepping up and making art.

  • @richardyot said:
    Just add, this whole "Club" thing kinda started by accident when I mentioned that a friend of mine had challenged me to write and record at least one song a month, and then Johnny jumped on the idea and the ball started rolling from there (obviously Johnny knew at some level he needed this).

    It's good, but I'm finding it a bit daunting. My iPad stuff is usually very experimental and wouldn't really work here, so it's forcing me to put something a bit more structured together. Which is good, but a bit scary - my new iPad is awash with abandoned ideas, but I'm determined to get something up this month...

  • @monzo said:
    It's good, but I'm finding it a bit daunting. My iPad stuff is usually very experimental and wouldn't really work here, so it's forcing me to put something a bit more structured together. Which is good, but a bit scary - my new iPad is awash with abandoned ideas, but I'm determined to get something up this month...

    That's a bit like the trap I fell into last year, a lot of tinkering and half started ideas, but I only recorded two actual songs. This club stops me from tinkering and forces me to actually produce something on a regular basis. I know full well that most of it will be rubbish, but I also know that without actually going through the process many times I won't improve. So every month I create song and put it out there, it doesn't matter if in a year or two from now I look back and think it's rubbish, because I'll also know that every step counted for something. But when I was tinkering I was getting nowhere.

  • @marcel thanks for the note. I think you're right about stepping away, but then the other side is a matter of working when the idea is real and 'hot' in the mind or heart.

    @monzo Not FLUX but a mix of Microwarmer, Mobile Convolution (which I like but can't get quite right) and the PSP StereoChorus (which is I'm guessing what you're hearing/objecting to :)

    Truth be told the vocal line/melody I've ended up with here is not best suited to my capabilities and, of course, I know or feel this and thus -again- the singer feels wobbly and in need of support/disguise etc. Something to think on....

    @richardyot Thanks for holding my feet to the fire (I think :). The cold light of day says you're right. I think to expand this will require more formalizing of verse/chorus to some degree, which might help the singing also actually. My real sticking point (from a technical point of view) is I like the piano feel as is, but am by no means a pianist and thus doubt my ability to play a bridge or similar. But I guess that's the challenge. You git yer :)

    In the wider context, I fully agree with all of your rationale above, but especially the line but I also know that without actually going through the process many times I won't improve.... the guys in the future don't care about the guys struggling in the now, they're just willing them to put in the yards....

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    I like the piano feel as is, but am by no means a pianist and thus doubt my ability to play a bridge or similar.

    You can always record your performance as MIDI and fix/quantize afterwards, or just record multiple takes in small sections. Otherwise (and more importantly) music doesn't have to be complex and hard to play to be good, it needs to have emotional impact. A sparse melody played with feeling could very well do the job. Or a weird theremin sound, or some textures form Soundscaper, etc...

    Also, an instrumental bridge is only one approach, you could do a vocal one instead if that's more your preference. Just finish the damn song :)

  • Aye aye Cap'n.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    monzo Not FLUX but a mix of Microwarmer, Mobile Convolution (which I like but can't get quite right) and the PSP StereoChorus (which is I'm guessing what you're hearing/objecting to :)

    It's a nice effect....but for this particular song I feel the mood requires something less smoothed...

  • I hear you. I've got to find a line (or maybe a key) I can hold onto better. Much as I feel this needs to be wistful, it quickly sends me over the edge and into shaky...:)

  • edited May 2015

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    I hear you. I've got to find a line (or maybe a key) I can hold onto better. Much as I feel this needs to be wistful, it quickly sends me over the edge and into shaky...:)

    I know that one - I tried recording some guide vocals earlier and I tend to go over the edge into croaky...I'll be multitracking mine I think...

    Just out of interest - how do you all record your vocals? What hardware/software/interface do you use?

  • @monzo said:
    Just out of interest - how do you all record your vocals? What hardware/software/interface do you use?

    There are a lot of options. Personally I'm using a Scarlett 2i4 with an Oktava mk319 and an AT2035. I also have a little Zoom IQ5 lightning connector mic for practicing and sketches.

    I chose the Oktava mic after listening to Youtube shootouts, where it sounded pretty amazing for the money. The AT2035 was added so that I could record acoustic guitar simultaneously, and the Scarlett 2i4 was because it has the most flexible monitoring options.

    If you want something cheap you can get a lightning port Blue Mikey in the UK for £39:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Blue-Microphones-Digital-Microphone-Lightning/dp/B00J6XI15S/

    If you want to spend more you could get an Apogee Mic or an Apogee One. Or a standard condenser mic and an interface, in which case options are many.

  • edited May 2015

    Apogee Mic straight into Auria. I do try/am trying sending it into MicSwap first or playing the 'tune' and recording bits of vocals in Loopy. This last works well, especially for samples etc if I am thinking of bringing pieces into Gadget (or wherever), but at the end of the day (so far) I just stand up straight, take a deep breath and record it direct into track one. On lance I find this best but that's also because I like to be able to 'see' the rest of the tracks as some sort of cue or guide....would stay and chat but have to get a bunch of stitches ripped out of my shoulder. Should help me channel my inner pain later :)

  • OK, i've been catching up... Some awesome stuff already this month - and it's only the 12th May. I hate all these over achievers :).

    In order:

    @richardyot - I really like the lyrics to this one - and I can hear them. I know it's a demo - but you can tell you've moved away from the over use of effects and it's a more pure sound now. Less "shoe gazer" to my ear. I think the tune could do with some extra element in this one - a bridge or a key change or something. But it's good work.

    @RedSkyLullaby - I love all your stuff - I have your recent album favourited on SoundCloud and listen to it a lot. You have a great subtlety and lots of great feeling to all your stuff - and this track is no different. I love the simplify and the way it builds. The main melody that runs throughout - is that some kind of sample sound played backwards, and bowed? In Samplr? Anyway - it's my favourite bit!

    @Marcel ("Yep, Springtime Again") - this is great. I loved your track last month - but this one is even better I think. It does sound like the best stuff of Dire Straits (who, at their best are great IMO)... Just beautiful guitar playing... and a great song structure. I'd love to hear this played live in a smokey club!

    @geminiknight05 - Interesting. Feels a bit more like work in progress than a finished track. I like the rhythm and and I like the bass and I like the unusual rawness to it. I think the "change up" at the end is maybe a bit too abrupt - but that's subjective I think - I know someone else liked this.

    @Marcel ("Where I belong") - Lovely guitar playing again... Nice sung part, but a little muffled maybe... Doesn't sound as well produced as the music. Not sure about the fade out at the end, i'd prefer a more structured finished - feels like you just got asked to turn it down by the neighbour :). But for an early go at sung lyrics - it's pretty damn promising.

    @JohnnyGoodyear - wow... I gotta say I think this is the best thing you've done so far... It send shivers and feels pretty full on... It needs to finish properly, and deserves at least another verse... but that said, the music is beautiful I think (that wurlitzer? tone that runs throughout - just so good), and the piano composition is great... Your singing is really good on it I think, I like the fact it's a little lose again - I like the note change you try at the end. I don't mind the effects you use either. I just want another 1.5 mins at least!

  • Thanks for the info @richardyot and @JohnnyGoodyear

    I wasn't sure if it'd work, but I have one of these: http://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Yamaha-MG10XU-Analog-USB-Mixer/XBN?origin=product-ads&gclid=CJ-ojZTQvMUCFTHKtAodmUYARg and just tested it via the camera connection kit with my old iPad 2, and (after about half an hour of fiddling and swapping leads) was able to record audio into it. I've also already got one of these: https://giggear.co.uk/buy/shure-pg48xlr?gclid=CKyR_OHQvMUCFQcTwwod3rAAcQ so I'll transfer the song into GarageBand on my old iPad, record the vocals into this, and then transfer it back to Auria and see how it sounds. If it's all fine and dandy I'll get the connection kit for the new iPad, which I probably need anyway.

    Sorry to hijack the thread...carry on...

  • @monzo said:
    Thanks for the info richardyot and JohnnyGoodyear

    I wasn't sure if it'd work, but I have one of these: http://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Yamaha-MG10XU-Analog-USB-Mixer/XBN?origin=product-ads&gclid=CJ-ojZTQvMUCFTHKtAodmUYARg and just tested it via the camera connection kit with my old iPad 2, and (after about half an hour of fiddling and swapping leads) was able to record audio into it. I've also already got one of these: https://giggear.co.uk/buy/shure-pg48xlr?gclid=CKyR_OHQvMUCFQcTwwod3rAAcQ so I'll transfer the song into GarageBand on my old iPad, record the vocals into this, and then transfer it back to Auria and see how it sounds. If it's all fine and dandy I'll get the connection kit for the new iPad, which I probably need anyway.

    Sorry to hijack the thread...carry on...

    Hijack away if it gets you singing :)

  • edited May 2015

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    JohnnyGoodyear - wow... I gotta say I think this is the best thing you've done so far... It send shivers and feels pretty full on... It needs to finish properly, and deserves at least another verse... but that said, the music is beautiful I think (that wurlitzer? tone that runs throughout - just so good), and the piano composition is great... Your singing is really good on it I think, I like the fact it's a little lose again - I like the note change you try at the end. I don't mind the effects you use either. I just want another 1.5 mins at least!

    Thanks Matt, I appreciate your comments. El Jefe Ricardo has shamed/convinced me into doing the work some more and I'm going to try. Will keep this snapshot as I think the next/longer version will likely evolve from this.

    Glad you caught on to the Wurtlizer sound, it's actually the Marseille Rotary CX Organ and is there to suggest (mostly just to me) a cheesy wedding which is what I remember about that long afternoon in Queens in 1991....

  • @geminiknight05 I like this tune, very sugar bytes I find. Cool electro-blues riff. Would fancy some simple,soulful, distorted (or not) vocals on it.

    @richardyot sweet track, reminds me a lot Donovan

    @JohnnyGoodyear ace tune, I'm not 100% sure about the effect on the voice (vocalive?) but it's cool and suits the song. I didn't think it needed anything structure wise. I don't think it is a verse, verse, chorus, middle eigth kind of song. I like the drone like nature of it, suits the subject.

    @RedSkyLullaby I'm not a big fun of that kind of music but it is well mixed and sounds good.

    Here's my offering

  • Weird. Must have been your mention of Donovan because I can imagine him singing this (if he was born 50 years later). Nice whoop sound at 60 secs...Tension through the lazy slowness and the not giving of a fuck, expecting something, not sure what....then at 2.15 in comes the bass....and the organ.....funny book-face rhyme cheat :)....love the echo vocal thing in all its forms....but then it goes on and then it fades away.

    I like your style. To be critical/honest I think the words you have are a good skeleton, but to make the full six minutes go by I would like them to be tightened up and added to. I also (me, me, me) wanted a guitar to come in or some horns or something towards the end, the inherent human desire for pudding, resolution, punchline, third act etc...more color I guess. But for all of that it's still going around in my head....

    I think you have an interesting problem in so far as we are all prisoners of our styles (and comfort). You are so very adept at the looping technique that the tight 2.45 song might present more of a challenge, but then that all really depends on what your intention is in the first place, which is your bag of bananas entirely. I'm just pleased to hear you throwing something at the club wall.

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