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Song of the Month Club - May

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  • edited May 2015

    @JohnnyGoodyear

    haha, LOL.

    Edit: In time he will gain interest. He is not aware yet that this collection will be the source of a huge testament fight, which will divide the family for generations to come.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    In the days of 'pound a track an hour' recording studios, we used to spend a week or two in rehearsal rooms under the railway arches in Brixton playing the one or two songs we intended tor record over and over and over again...and on reflection what was nailed more than anything (for me) was the muscle memory of every phrase...

    Were you the singer in that band? I thought your voice was too good to spring out of nowhere.

    I was a guitarist in a couple of bands, but I had an 18 year break with no guitar to my name. I agree about the practice thing though, technology is sometimes a tempting shortcut, but it's no substitute.

  • edited May 2015

    @richardyot said:
    Were you the singer in that band? I thought your voice was too good to spring out of nowhere.

    @richardyot Actually, I just used to write the lyrics/drive the transit/roll the spliffs. but would sometimes get a bit of backing vocal action or steal the last hour of studio time to experiment with :) But it did lead me to buying a monster Allen + Heath 24 track desk (very orange) that sat in my flat's living room in London for a few years....

  • edited May 2015

    I've remixed my entry for this month based on the feedback I received, and I also completely re-recorded all the rhythm guitar parts so hopefully the playing is much tighter. Vocals are up and drums down. The EQ on the vocals seems to have introduced a hint of sibilance though, which wasn't apparent on my headphones but I hear now when listening on speakers. One day I really will have to buy some monitors, but I need to sharpen my negotiation skills first, it's not just the cost I need to have approved but also the interior decorating and storage implications.

  • storage implications

    Rarely have I heard a phrase so loaded with the potential for metaphoric meaning.... :)

  • edited May 2015

    Good effort on the remix. Can definitely hear a shade of sibilance as you mention. Hardly fricatives abounding, but still. Not sure I would have picked it out so easily without your suggestion, but it does feel a little brighter/sharper. BUT as you note that's a mixing issue.

    The position in the mix of the vocals is much better. More ballsy in as far as you're putting the voice (literally) further out there, but the song benefits greatly I feel. And I don't know whether you would have felt as comfortable doing that a couple of months ago, so a metric of progress.

  • Nice one! It def sounds better with louder vocals.Do you ever use reference tracks for volume? This is something I'm only just starting to do and I'm always amazed with how much louder their vocal is to mine...sigh...so much to learn still! Great fun though!

  • @LostBoy85 said:

    Do you ever use reference tracks for volume?

    No, I should really get into that habit though, I often have big surprises when I listen on speakers after mixing on headphones, and it's partly because my listening skills just aren't good enough yet. Using references would help to ground me.

    As for the sibilance, it's actually in the reverb. At the moment there is no way to EQ the reverb separately from the track in Auria, I'm hoping Auria Pro will remedy this.

  • @richardyot said:
    I've remixed my entry for this month based on the feedback I received, and I also completely re-recorded all the rhythm guitar parts so hopefully the playing is much tighter. Vocals are up and drums down.

    It's very good, I like it, and the vocals sit much better in the mix.

    This thread's getting very polished and interior decorated. I feel a bit apprehensive about messing it up with my filthy noise, whenever that gets done.

  • @monzo said:
    This thread's getting very polished and interior decorated. I feel a bit apprehensive about messing it up with my filthy noise, whenever that gets done.

    Au contraire, what's magical about this thread is seeing everyone's contributions and everyone's progress, which is really palpable all around. So please don't be apprehensive, post your work.

  • @monzo said:

    I know, all these bastards going around getting their retaliation in first...

  • @monzo said:

    You and me both, I like a bit of filthy noise though, so don't get holding back.

  • @richardyot - Good work! Much better indeed. Sibilance? I don't hear it, or at least it is not a disturbance for me (I have very good headphones: Beyerdynamic Dt 880 Premium). Perhaps more irritating when listened on monitors, don't know that, haven't done that. It wouldn't worry me. There is always something, some small detail, that isn't perfect, we are not pros.

  • edited May 2015

    @Jocphone said:
    You and me both, I like a bit of filthy noise though, so don't get holding back.

    The only thing holding me back at the moment is my inability to use Auria. I bought the Audiobus IAP earlier and set up three channels, with Addictive Synth, SeekBeats and Sector going through every effect I could get my hands on, all recording into separate Auria tracks. After half an hour of the usual loading/unloading of apps into AB to get them working, and sussing out multitrack recording in Auria I recorded a cracking live set of madness. But of course forgot to set the recording levels so the result was a crackling mess of disappointment.

    I think I'll have worked out how to use all this stuff and have my noise helmet on ready for Septembers thread.

  • edited May 2015

    Hello, this is the first time I have posted any music on this forum; even though I have been a regular member. I finally joined SoundCloud.

    This piece was done with Novation LaunchPad app for the drums; and the new SynthMaster Player iOS (I was a beta tester). It was recorded into Cubasis.

  • Very nice @bsantoro.
    A lot of interesting things going on.

  • Thanks LostBoy85 — I recorded a long sequence of Novation Launchpad for the drum part into Cubasis; then I added the SynthMaster parts. To create variation, I used the stutter, delay, and gated effects within Launchpad in real time while recording into Cubasis.

  • Good stuff and glad you decided to share/post here. This piece made me want to watch 'To Live and Die in LA' again. Been too long. I like the ending particularly (the song, not the movie :).

  • edited May 2015

    @bsantoro - Not my type of music, but I do like the very good quality of the sound, the spacial approach, the very good production. I hear that it is very well made, and pro sounding.

  • Nice driving groove, I like the string-like pads in the background too, and the stop-start and the evolving drums. It could do with some more musical variation and ideas maybe, the bassline drives the tune and is the focal point and anchor, it might have been nice to add some more variations on that theme.

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    Almost all Gadget sounds (with my new 'effectrix-style midi designer cc template' creating much of the percussion patterns). Made in Gagdet. Mastered in Audio Mastering and then Master Record.

    Matt: Can you give me a little insight into what you feel you get (or got here) from using Master Record. I have it but have never used it. It was as a result of you (and a few others) mentioning the use of the app Audio Mastering that I bought that as well this evening and, after a little learning, used it on a piece I finished earlier and the end result (I've never bothered with mastering before) made such a huge and rich difference that I feel as though I need to start again with everything from scratch. Little daunting, little depressing, little ear--opening however, BUT before I do that I thought I better get some idea as to why after using AM on this you then used MR.

    Thanks Mister.

  • @johnnygoodyear - it would be a pleasure.

    Number 1 reason - the Limiter.

    In audio mastering there is a 'maximiser' where you can push the sound up but I don't really know how it works - it doesn't seem to 'limit' much - it pushes things into the clipping zone very easily. In master record however, the limiter is a hard stop limiter and you can pump it up as much as you want without getting clipping. Mustn't over do it, but it can add some serious beef and an loudness if you want.

    Also little touches if you want them like:

    • a tiny bit of tape or vinyl crackle for atmos
    • tape saturation / warble - makes things a bit warbley
    • there's an extremely simple 2 band EQ too - if you just feel you still need to take a bit of bass or treble up of down (despite having tweaked forever in audio mastering)
  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    Number 1 reason - the Limiter.

    Do you record into Auria Matt? I'm finding I keep going into the red when recording. I'm wondering if I need some extra kit in the chain somewhere, such as a limiter to stop this happening.

  • @monzo - no, never. Almost everything is generated inside gadget.

    If I need to record another app I'll record into audioshare then copy and paste into Gadget.

    My plan was to then render out stems from Gadget and master in Auria. But I've never got round to this (plus it would be heavy on file size / storage) because I've found AudioMastering + MasterRecord to work nicely on the master track. And if I hear a problem I just go back and fix it in Gadget, then reimport the master back to AM then MR.

  • Thanks Matt - your tracks are very clear and full sounding, so it's obviously working. I'm struggling a bit with recording into Auria, it's never as clean as when I use Audioshare or GarageBand. I think I may end up recording into GarageBand and then importing the tracks into Auria for editing and mixing.

    Think I'll give AudioMastering + MasterRecord a spin when they're next on sale - the dev seems to have regular deals so I'll grab those next time around.

  • Thats a good plan @Monzo - record into audioshare (or if you want to multitrack record, garage band).

    Then copy and paste (or however you get out of GB) into Auria. Personally I'd do it track by track via audioshare - not to strain the processer.

    I've never understood that input matrix thing in Auria by the way.

  • Or just restrict yourself to Gadget and get to know it really well!

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    Thats a good plan Monzo - record into audioshare (or if you want to multitrack record, garage band).

    Then copy and paste (or however you get out of GB) into Auria. Personally I'd do it track by track via audioshare - not to strain the processer.

    I've never understood that input matrix thing in Auria by the way.

    No it's a real faff if you just want to record a single track, and with the current Audiobus shenanigans it takes me a few minutes of loading and unloading, and changing matrix settings before the track is armed, and by then I've forgotten what it was I was going to record.

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    Or just restrict yourself to Gadget and get to know it really well!

    I'm a big fan of Gadget, that's definitely going to feature more in future tracks.

  • I both love and hate this group! It's really pushing me to get some music down, and now vocals! But the other tracks are really good, and I'm closer to those wanting to learn over the next few efforts than those that seem to know what they are doing already. Ah well, here goes -

  • @Fitz This isn't a playpen for the polished and self-satisfied :) I may start a group called 'Tell Me I'm Great Again Mummy', but in the meantime this is what we've got...We're all just trying to learn/improve.

    I like your little three act piece of Americana. Thought the bass could do with some more something, especially in the first section.

    Vocals: I fully understand the desire to mask the fear of our presumed inefficiency with the long-distance phone line effect :) But in this case, and if you're going to go that way, I think they need to be further up in the mix so we can hear and get the import of the words which seem to deserve/require understanding.

    I feel that if you're going to be a Nick Cave/Tom Waits crazy preacher I should better know what you're telling me about the end of the world :)

    Good draft, worth revisiting. Would like a barrel organ, some monkeys and a tattooed lady in there somehow also.

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