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Song of the Month Club - May

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  • edited May 2015

    @Jocphone said:
    monzo Yeah I lived for a year on the hill above Hanley. Bloody windy, though I think it was called windmill street so I probably should have guessed. But yeah, oat cakes and Wright's Pies, food of kings!

    Yeah they did a good pie - I was the other side of Hanley in Houghton Street. Quite a bit of music going on in those days, some of the pubs were good too. But the wind....

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Actually, I just used to write the lyrics/drive the transit/roll the spliffs.

    Just like Bernie Taupin! Great work if you can get it.

  • @richardyot - Warm Summer Nights

    I'm woefully out of the May loop, seeing as how I didn't even catch up on my feedback for April until this thread was chock full of submissions and comments. Still, happy to drop in and at least offer some feedback.

    So on this track, I favor loud drums and couldn't help noticing they tend to almost disappear on the choruses and perhaps could have added more to the very nice ending run. Vocals seemed to drop a time or two ... Have you considered recording your Vox through AUXY:Push in Audiobus? Compression on the way in can save a good deal of fader-riding later on.

    The turn arounds between vocal parts were pretty lengthy. Stylistically, that's fine with me, but I can just hear an AR guy sounding off about trimming the fat to get this song index the 3:30 mark. The effected vocals worked really well contrasted against the bed of jangly electric guitars. Sibilance wasn't at all an issue for me - great thing about thick vocal effects is they buy a lot of leeway for this or that noise. And that ending. My ears really perked up starting around the 3:20 mark with the bass and guitar taking me to a brand new happy before bringing it all home for a nice, extended outro. Great work!

  • edited May 2015

    @eustressor said:

    I'm quite a lot taller than Bernie, but otherwise peas in a pod etc.

  • Another small piece of meat for the pot. Full disclosure: Short, low-key and somewhat depressed instrumental, no words and no plan to add any.

    They say write about what you know. It's the 24th day of rain here in Austin which in May (or any damn time) is unusual. We are restless, but largely resigned and this is what's left of a very muted soundtrack...

    Not mastered. All Darwin.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    We are restless, but largely resigned and this is what's left of a very muted soundtrack...

    Not mastered. All Darwin.

    And all beautiful. Gorgeous gorgeousity (and not just because you used a vid clip from Leon the Professional). This piece is everything it needs to be and nothing it doesn't. Damn near moving, I was definitely nudged. With your admirable skill at melding audio and video, your work consistently demands to be digested with more senses than music alone requires. Bravo, young Mr. Goodyear. Have a bowl of Texas chili on me.

  • @eustressor Thank you Mr. E. Very kind. I wonder if it's easier to capture the duller days or the happier ones? Maybe it's different for each of us...I was actually thinking a lot this afternoon about what @Jocphone said as regards doing things that makes sense primarily to ourselves or the balance of that and how much we do stuff with others unconsciously (or otherwise) in mind. That old thing.

    Oddly, I'd have to say that I have always been much more certain (if only intuitively) of communicating my low points, rather than my highs. If one feels unhappy or stuck or grief-ridden or whatever, I suppose one makes something first and foremost for oneself, to say how you feel out loud or on the page without any concern for the contradiction of another, for what have they got to say about the quality of my misery? Happiness or joy doesn't seem so free of judgment. Maybe there's a middle ground, or an emotion of the middle ground, I suspect passion might fall in there, or limerence maybe.

    Sorry. Drifting off. Anyway, I agree with their notion that feedback is good, but as much as anything because of ones own feeling about the feedback ("Hmmm, that's probably right..." or "Nope, disagree, that's not what I was going for at all...."). Just hard mostly to get that in a useful, well-intentioned manner (unless you're @rocco and have his fiercely brilliant daughter to hand.... :), which is why this funny little backwater is welcome.

    Time to go write a thousand words in the Big Lined Book, but I will gladly take a bowl of your chili, might even chop some red onions to go with it. Thanks again.

  • You have a real gift for understatement here @JohnnyGoodyear. Beautiful complimentary pedalling melodies. Really enjoying the brass and wind instruments in Darwin and you chose well for this track. Perfect length too

  • @JohnnyGoodyear I love the mood this conjures up, and the brass instruments really shouldn't work, but they do (I did get a little shock when they came in). The understated sadness this evokes is just great.

    The only criticism is that it's too short and doesn't really evolve. You're good at making these short pieces, it's creating something a little longer that you struggle with. Writing the second verse is always more difficult than the first...

    On the happy/sad thing, I'm an irritatingly happy person (just ask my wife), but I would always prefer to listen to sad music. Melancholy somehow is much more satisfying musically than happiness, not sure why. Sure you can dance to "Good Times" on a friday night and it's great fun, but listening to Nick Drake or Elliott Smith is a more profound and satisfying experience.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    Not mastered. All Darwin.

    Nice, this is the first uneffected thing I've heard from Darwin that tempts me to buy it. Haunting atmosphere, professional quality recording.

    @richardyot said:

    The only criticism is that it's too short and doesn't really evolve. You're good at making these short pieces, it's creating something a little longer that you struggle with. Writing the second verse is always more difficult than the first...

    I think I'd echo that - the difficult part is adding extra parts and creating a whole unified piece. I've created quite a few 'bits' on Gadget, but I struggle with the next step...the chorus/verse/whatever that works with my initial sequence.

  • @richardyot I hear you and appreciate your take. I am 'guilty' of small things, if that's a sin. Certainly tend towards atmospheres or even incidental music (damns self with faint praise :)....might be in part because I do have a lot of words/cinema in my head. BUT I am also happy to be working on extending my range/writing 'real' songs, especially as a result of SOTMC (which still reads something something marine corps to me :). Might just keep the shorter music pieces out of this hopper, especially as I don't see something like this thing having another two or three minutes added to it. Although who knows, maybe I will come back and take the melody or brass line and use it for something else. So hard to stay focused with new stuff to try out every ten minutes :) Still trying to figure out the thirty hour day...

  • @monzo said:
    Nice, this is the first uneffected thing I've heard from Darwin that tempts me to buy it. Haunting atmosphere, professional quality recording.

    Thanks for the listen. And the comment on recording. Perversely I did very little (if anything) to this. Yes, chose the sounds, played them, mixed them, but after that let it go. I think the truth is if there had been quick easy mangling to be done I would have, so perhaps setting it up and then just getting the hell out of the way might be the best answer for me. Didn't even eq it or the like in Auria, just picked the export/audiocopy/master and plonked it out.

  • Am unable to contribute this month, but will have something (of some description) ready for next month. It'll be a good exercise in taking my current Gadget noodlings a bit further !

  • Right - first off - apologies for being tardy and not commenting on tracks this month yet. Been super busy. But I will get through every one of them properly in next few days, I promise.

    I'd really appreciate any feedback on this track, because I want to enter it into a competition from Converse Rubber Tracks in the next 2 days.

    I intend to revisit the kick and snare throughout to add some variety - but I'd like feedback on what you think works/doesn't work - particularly in regard to the arrangement and the flow of it.

    All made in Gadget with just a couple of samples bought in from DrumJam (triangle/tambourine percussion) and Thor (the nasty bassline). I also used DrumJam to play midiout to Gadget's Dejembe drums in London about two thirds through (with tons of reverb and a big filter pass) - quite pleased with how that turned out.

    I'd like to thank @richardyot for inspiring this one since something he said about my last track lacking groove made me start on this one with a heavy focus on a groove. Hopefully it works...

  • High-quality work.

    This piece is too long for me, but that's because a) I like short things and b) I don't (much) dance and certainly not (much) in the modern style which this piece is pointed at. And therefore, having made the note, I dismiss its relevance, giving way before the fact that you know what you're doing on the subject of length for this genre.

    Predictably I'm going to add that while the samples are also high quality they are too few in number and therefore repeated too often. Again, I accept this is just my toast.

    I do think, in a sonic world of generic vox samples, the Everybody get up/on your feet now is one of the better ones I've heard. Kudos.

    A few notes, beyond saying again that the overall thing is very polished: I like the 2.30 piano against bass line break, unexpected (the piano) in this spot and it got my attention (in a good way). I love the Dejembe drum bit thingie, favorite thing about the track probably. You do have a groove going, but when this part of the percussion comes in it really helps pick it all up and also just sounds cool. If anything I wish you'd gone more nuts with it, but I don't get the feeling your work is about nuts, and that's perfectly legitimate.

    Overall, I think it's pro stuff, but I had been waiting/aching for a low-voiced intelligent (male) rap/talk to come in from about 30 seconds. I realized/guessed that it wasn't going to, but you have a perfect bedding for it here and I would like to hear the story that guy has to tell :)

  • I'd like to meet that guy, he sounds cool.

    Thanks Johnny - much appreciated. It might be too long, but average for the genre, I have observed, is around 6-7 minutes because you basically whig out to it.

    The vocal samples are what you get given for the competition... There were a just a couple more but they were pretty cheesy so I left them out. Again, in the genre there is often quite a lot of repetition of the same sample. But then not always, some tracks have proper verse/choruses. Some have great civil rights speeches too... And sections of interviews with Jazz legends.

    The 'nuts' is supposed to be from both the dejembe break and the stripped down bass and drum grind after it (which is probably my favourite bit).

    I struggled a bit getting completely happy with the first half of the track to be honest, because I got to the stage where I couldn't tell any more. So thanks for your thoughts and glad you like the jazzy piano bit - a late, one take, addition that took all of about 10 seconds to put in. Often the way.

    Right. Tomorrow I'm going to go through all the tracks on this thread. Promise!

  • edited May 2015

    Point of order; I do think if you/we are working under agreed constraints (specific samples in this case or, say, music for my daughter to lose her virginity to and it had better be slow and no crescendos) then probably worth a mention as whatever folks may have to say will be focused through that lens etc.

    I did listen to the thingie again, but this time without sitting in the chair with my hornrims on but instead wandering about in the room and even allowing my toe to tap. All the better for doing so, for both it and I. I would certainly pay more for the second half if I had to Solomon the thing.

    Sleep well.

  • edited May 2015

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 for me this is the best thing you've posted so far. Two things really stand out for me, firstly the rhythm while still very much in D&B land is much more foot-tappable, and keeps the groove going throughout the track; and second I love the way the intensity increases as the song progresses, it really builds nicely.

    The piano at 2.35 is great, and the menacing swooshy bass line than comes in just after is even better - even though it's a really typical D&B bass sound it doesn't feel cliched because it really adds something to the song. At that point the track changes, the sample gets more chopped up and the rhythm varies, and it takes the track into a new and more intense direction.

    In terms of arrangement and progression it's great, and I don't find the track too long because it does enough to stay interesting. Production is also flawless. No crits I guess :)

  • Nice track Mr. At first I was a bit thrown by the vocals which sounded a bit off key, not a huge amount but noticeable to me and especially accentuated by the delay which mercilessly repeats. I'm a little cautious with this criticism as some singers have a slight out of tune quality like Beth Orthon or Astrud Gilberto so I'm not entirely sure if it could be that. Once the groove got going though I didn't mind it any more.

    I loved the classic D and B but the beatstep bass later on I the track took it to another (higher) level. I don't habitually listen to neither genre but enjoyed this one. It's interesting that as soon as the little djembe solo came in I immediately thought of drumjam. It has that human like yet not quite human quality.

    I also thought that the track could be edited down by 1.5 to 2 minutes but I can understand you wanting to keep all of the parts as it does make sense as an arrangement. I've listened to it through a small iPod set of speakers so I may chuck in some more impressions when I get to listen to it through cans. Good work!

  • Thanks @supadom @johnnygoodyear and @richardyot

    Much appreciated. I'm fairly happy with it. Although I'm thinking now maybe I've rolled too much bass off :).

    Am slowly going back through this month as time allows picking out the ones I haven't commented on:

    @richardyot - I, in turn, think this is the best track you've submitted so far. Mainly just because it's the best song IMO... Very catchy and hummable. Nice sentiment and lyrics. Nice guitar parts. I think your voice is coming on. It's got character and it's kind of loose and laid back. The vocals still sound a little 'live' / 'unplugged' but I have no technical knowledge as to why and even whether that's a particularly bad thing. I could hear your voice better this time. Well done.

  • @mrufino1

    I really like the song. Nice and pacey and catchy. Vocals obviously a placeholder so I sort of ignored. But they will work too.

    No real criticism or suggestion to be honest. You obviously know what you're doing :)

  • edited May 2015

    Nice idea on how to create music in quite a fluid way with launchpad

    • I don't like the start - it just fades in going full pelt. Feels like I've come in late and it's already started.

    • but then things break down and you hear strings and that would be a better place to start IMO

    • there's some great sounds here. Some of the percussion is lovely. The strings work really well.

    • my main critisism would be on the arrangement - it doesn't feel that well structured. I'd prefer more of a beginning, middle and end

    Nice jam though...

  • @Jocphone

    Interesting piece. I listened twice and I liked it more the second time. It's quite challenging but it does evolve and have some structure.

    I like the long piercing notes and sounds towards the end. The bass throughout most of it is also good.

    It's not very accessible music - but I'm sure you know that :).

  • And last but not least @johnnygoodyear - the Darwin primer.

    Lovely subtle sound / mix as always. Sounds like sophisticated film music. I like the slight background recording (of someone walking?) towards the end. Presumably that's not Darwin?

    Feels like a minor production - but a good one.

  • edited May 2015

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    I'd really appreciate any feedback on this track, because I want to enter it into a competition from Converse Rubber Tracks in the next 2 days.

    Clever stuff - very professional and I'd guess very commercial too. Difficult to provide comment as the contemporary dance music scene is completely out of my sphere of knowledge, but it's cleverly structured, and after struggling with Gadget for the last few weeks I really appreciate the skill and amount of work that goes into making something this polished. Very good.

  • Thanks @Monzo

    Looking forward to yours :)

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    Thanks Monzo

    Looking forward to yours :)

    I don't think I'll put mine up - it's unfinished and not up to scratch. I've learnt loads this month though, so should be good for June!

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 thanks for the kind comments. No idea what you mean about inaccessible ;) I need to go through this thread and give feedback to you and the other contributors..but I won't do it now as I am heading out the door.

  • edited May 2015

    @monzo said:
    I don't think I'll put mine up - it's unfinished and not up to scratch. I've learnt loads this month though, so should be good for June!

    This is the spot where I pull on my wax mustache, clench parade ground buttocks, and bellow about the first rule of Song of the Month Club etc etc., but that's not true as there really are no rules apart from just trying to focus enough to be aware of the target even if one can't immediately hit it. Forge on young Monzo, may the darling buds of May produce fruit come the end of June when all will surely be well (or at least I will be in Maine and the world will seem yet kinder if also more dilapidated... :)

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    And last but not least johnnygoodyear - the Darwin primer.

    Lovely subtle sound / mix as always. Sounds like sophisticated film music. I like the slight background recording (of someone walking?) towards the end. Presumably that's not Darwin?
    Feels like a minor production - but a good one.

    Thanks Matt. I like think of my life as a minor production, but a good one, so I will take that graciously.

    As regards the 'footsteps', that indeed is a Darwin noise, everything therein was, I will have to look up the patch name etc.

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