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It's a tricky one, especially for you as you have a problem with finishing stuff.
If you're leaving ideas only half-finished then those ideas are not exciting you. Once a song you're working on really clicks the opposite happens, and you can't leave it alone until it's done.
However, and this is a universal problem for artists of all disciplines, you have to make yourself finish things even when you're not excited by them. It's only by doing the work, sometimes pushing through it, that the inspiration will come. And the inspiration will often be quite different from what you expect or are working on.
So the worst thing you can do (IMO of course) is to never finish anything. Make yourself finish something every month, even if it's not the same song you started on - you can drop things that aren't working. But finish something, even if you're not excited by it.
/endpreach
Cheers
That sounds like a smashing idea, if you're going hardcore though make sure you hold the iPad up high - directly in front of peoples faces while they're talking - no sneaking it around in a Tesco carrier like a thief in the night. Or you could dress up in a rabbit costume like Viv Stanshall:
@monzo I AM SIR VIV!
@richardyot Preach on brother! (as almost nobody says these days
I was hoping to use this trip to Maine (and our aborted Amsterdam business) as an excuse this month, but I can see that that's not going to get past you Matron.
Damn.
I listen to a monthly podcast that is interviews with famous songwriters (sodajerker on songwriting) which has been massively helpful to me and a lot of these legends of their craft have said similar things...for every great song that they write,they will write & FINISH at least ten bad songs that never see the light of day! Songs that they are super excited about initially (like us) but then ultimately get ditched or it can go the other way and songs that felt a bit 'meh' at the start but when finished can surprise you and actually be awesome.
Haha! So hey,come next March we should all have at least one hit song!!!
OK, this was an accident. Happened yesterday.
Trying to settle on the right balance of DAW vs ease of use for my EDM Launchpad soundpack-lovin' son. Nanostudio was an early contender, but he heard the EDM soundpack demos for Synthmaster, so closed system = not so good.
Then I remembered an old drum app I once played around with, Beat Machine. Then I remembered that strangely capable yet easy-reader Garageband app. So I started lobbing beats and synthmaster parts into Garageband as a kind of proof of concept. Even sang straight into the iPad. Ended up with 32 bars of, well, something. Took less than two hours.
But it was incomplete. And experimental. And unfinished besides. So I added more, played around a bit with the arrangement and after a few more hours of tweaking, I had a full song. Could've left it - I am currently working on a concept album (or the non-profit generating equivalent thereof) - except I just couldn't leave it.
So I guess my point is, challenge yourself, shake yourself out of "maybe mode." Break out an old app or Garageband and toss off 8 measures at a time. That's one way to achieve critical mass to where it flat rattles you that it isn't finished. One day, one completely unintended song, not one bit of wasted time. So what if the lyrics are inane, the rhythm section stuck in one groove. Building, constructing, deconstructing, that was the fun of it. Learned a lot and got to play and BONUS! had something to show at the end of the day.
As someone who frequently freezes up instead of diving into actually recording the music that lives so happily in my head, I hope this anecdote helps thaw anyone else experiencing "recording freeze."
You're right. We're all right, I suppose. Truth is from here that I don't have loads of 'first third' songs, I have lots of songs that are finished in the traditional form, but they're not done or good enough or what I want to hear. That's the push-you-pull-me of it all. BUT everyone's got their own anguish/excuse/variation and there's no doubt that this little group helps by throwing a different stricture (and structure) into the mix. I'm grateful for it.
@JohnnyGoodyear remember, Orson Welles spent decades dawdling over Don Quixote and never finished it. Sooner or later, it's time to look upon it and see that it is good.
@eustressor Does this endless version make me look fat, Orson?
@JonnyGoodyear No, it's the two sirloin steaks and bottle of whiskey a night diet plan, that is.
Very pro. Not my cup of tea musically, but I can admire the width of the talent involved. I like the vocals too - you should team up with:
Very nice, I like a bit of prog. I can smell uncle Floyd and a whiff of auntie Genesis in there. Actually that's lazy of me - more Van Der Graf and Henry Cow, probably. Be nice with some vocals (see above) but a great big thing nonetheless.
I like it, boozy type bar piano which I couldn't play in a million years but - I'm there with a few friends...though they seem to have gone home? What time is it now? I'm asleep. Someone's pushing me...and all the time this tune. This...tune...
Kevin Ayers and Robert Wyatt made an egg about 30 years ago while they were on the vino, and out popped this charming tune. Like it.
Awful
I started with LaunchPad to lay down the DnB drum part; all other sounds are coming from SynthMaster. I used SoundPrism Pro via MIDI to drive the harmonic SynthMaster parts. Recorded into Cubasis.
@LostBoy85 @JohnnyGoodyear @richardyot @monzo
Really thanks a lot for the comments on my new version! My personal criticism is that my singing is a bit static, and also that the sung melody isn't catchy, although the same melody played on the guitar sounds catchy to my ears. I can't be too hard for myself cause I lack the singing expierence, but nevertheless...I wish my singing performance was better.
Not typically my kind of biscuits, but learned a good lesson because I would normally skip over something like this at the start, but as a result of SOTMC I gave it a full listen and then listened to it again because I liked it and actually found it peaceful/restful. The persuader was the lead sound that comes in at 28 secs and almost acts like a vocal. Really, really like that. A little wobbly. Almost Hawaiian somehow. Good stuff.
@bsantoro very nice! Man I love that lead sound,please can u tell me what it is and what pack its in? I must admit I know it's polarising in some circles but I'm really enjoying synthmaster! I don't have the time or the know how to create my own good patches and apart from u lot the 5 other people that I play my songs to wouldn't know or care if I was making my own sounds.To them it either sounds good or it doesn't.Simples!
Great job mate! I maybe would change the beat up a little bit in places but that's just me,no biggie:)
@LostBoy85, the lead sound is LD Broken Dream BT from the 800 Factory pack. Thanks for the constructive criticism. I create the composition by improvising on the spot to the drum part; which was longer than I am used to. If I spent more time, I could have cut-up and varied the rhythm into more organized parts. So, some of the improvisation was successful; and other parts, not so.
@Marcel Great job. Takes a lot of guts to put yourself out there! My singing sucks and it holds me back.
@rkmonkey hard for most of us mate, but you won't find a better place to practice and to have a stab at it than here....
@Marcel, I noticed that until I turned up the volume loud enough, I had a hard time hearing the words or lyrics over the instrumentation. It is just my opinion, but maybe you could up the volume of the singing and speaking voice just a little bit more. I am not a mixing engineer, but I am guessing that frequencies in the music that are close to the human voice, kind of conflicts with the hearing the voice clearly. So, if the voice were just slightly louder it might help? I was listening through Apple earbuds and good monitoring headphones; not speakers.
@rkmonkey thanks for your kind words! If your singing sucks (is that really true?) there are perhaps ways to avoid the sucking part, for instance: a sort of speaking, put some interesting effects on top of that, and you have something, just an idea.
@bsantoro thanks for comment! I mixed it on my Beyerdynamic DT 880 premium 250 ohm which are very good headphones, and I can hear the words - at least to an acceptable level. The talking voice is definitely good to hear on my phones. In richardyot 's opinion the talking voice is a tiny bit too loud. I think it is very subjective this issue. I leave it as it is, cause it sounds fine for me. In the final version I used Fabfilter Pro Q to make the singing voice more clear, and I think it did a very good job. in the picture you see the simple eq I did. I add it just for fun.
@Marcel Interesting Marcel. I may steal this. Desperately trying to make some kind of purse out of some very ropey pig's ear material over here
My English is not good enough to completely understand what you mean. What are you planning to steal? The use of Pro Q to make the voice more clear?
Sorry my friend. I could see that might be alarming if not understood
The 'stealing' might be using the Pro Q, yes.
The saying I was being confusing with (in case you don't know it) is Trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, in other words taking something poor and trying to make it into something good. Perhaps Pro Q will help me
It sounds odd but if you put a high pass filter on your EQ and roll off the low end until it starts to sound different (tinny) then nudge it back slightly until it sounds normal again (for me it's about 100-200) this will clear the vocal up as well.In fact this is a good tip for most instruments as well to bring a bit more clarity to the mix:D
@JohnnyGoodyear - thanks for explaining it. I understand. 'Bad' material might become good material when treated properly.
Apart from the eq issue, there also were some clicks in the original voice track. In Auria you really can edit that away. In the picture below, I just made a cut and some fades to edit a click out. And the beauty is, you don't hear a weird thing in the result.
Ah yes. I think I have mentioned before, but I felt much better about all my own 'cutting and fading' when I heard a well-known producer say that the single thing 'The Public' didn't realize about the recording business was how much of it was a matter of bringing together many, many little pieces and that song production in the end was similar to a complex jigsaw puzzle. Certainly MY Auria desktop tonight looks ten thousand soldiers thrown down in the same field
I started out playing in the punk business, angry about society, inequality, and poverty. That was seventy-six and those subjects certainly haven't gone away. I do quiet things now mostly, but thought I'd have a stab and see if that energy was still there. I know this is rough as shit, but, hey, it's three and a quarter minutes
They say that you should have an audience in mind for the things you write, but for this song I imagine it as an ironic anthem to be sung by the dispossessed; ten thousand scruffy skinny kids shouting out 'I am the big I am and I don't give a fuck and a don't give a damn,' over and over again. Hopefully smiling while they do it.
The different vocal sounds used are aimed at the idea that the 'I am' character is lots of different people, your landlord, the banker, the boss, the guy who's 'made it' and is sure he's better than other folks who don't have his money.
I didn't give up on getting this exactly right, but I think it would take a lot more time and perhaps some professional production help to do this justice, but who can wait that long for ten thousand kids to get together in the same room? Not the SOTMC
@JohnnyGoodYear I am the big I am ... speechless. Lots to praise, very few nits worth a pick. Kudos, and not just for breaking the 3 minute mark! I'll be back soon with a proper review.
@bsantoro what I really like about this track is the contrast between the rhythm and the melody, they feel as if they should not go together, either musically or sonically: the rhythm has a hard edge and the melody is soft - I was actually surprised when the flutey synth sound came in because I was expecting something much more gritty, but it works and it's effective. Nice variations to the melody too, if that's improvised then great job.
@JohnnyGoodyear you get better every month, and it's great to hear something that makes it all the way to three minutes!
It's a great song, with a great rolling groove that drives it along. Good lyrics, great singing, and I genuinely really like it. It reminds me a bit of Nick Cave circa Henry's Dream, but it's still its own thing.
Production wise it sounds like a demo rather than a finished song, but that doesn't detract too much from the end result. A bit of production polish would definitely improve it, but only because there's a really good song there. I think it really needs some guitars, with some crunch to give the track some weight.
Only real crit is that some of the lines (such as the whole stanza around the 1 minute mark) are too crowded so you have to rush through them and it breaks the rhythm. Trim some syllables out of them to keep the meter and rhythm flowing.
But really good job, and with this rate of progress I really can't imagine what you will be producing in another six months. Every month so far you have surprised me with something completely unexpected.
Lots to like - reminds me of Alabama 3 for some reason, and your voice sounds very like a singer I've heard before..but can't put my finger on it at the moment. Actually, probably the bloke from Alabama 3...
Not sure the punk energy is there yet though - the words are angry, and some of the vocals carry that across, but the music (though fine for an electro track) isn't giving it the energy it needs. This is where your purchase of Cyclop would have come in handy - a nasty, searing lead or trashed bassline would Prodigy-up the electro groove nicely. Otherwise I'd get some broken guitars in there and clattering percussion.
I also think you need more space between the vocal phrases - as the verses tend to butt right up against each other - which makes it difficult for the listener to keep up - the verses themselves are pretty stuffed with words too....I'd space things out more so the vocals have room to breathe and sink in. That type of vocal delivery can work (think Manic Street Preachers Holy Bible) but I'm not sure your voice is suited to that style of machine-gun delivery.
On the plus side you have a good voice, and I like the different effects you've used on the track. Good voice, right-on sentiment, good words - you just need to get the backing angry enough and get some animal noises in and you're cooking.
As a survivor of the late 70's/80's alternative 'scene' I approve of kicking against the pricks - I've had a few batterings from our lovely boys in blue being a veteran of poll tax demos, hunt sabbing and the free festival circuit. My favourite angry band: