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Song of the Month Club - June

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  • @Jocphone said:
    @Jocphone - Slot slot some Adelivery

    This obsession with snippets of Joy Division songs has got to stop! The bass sound is a bit sluggish for the rest of the track and although it's quite lively in headphones, I listened to it again and it sounds rubbish in mono, all out of time. And the "I thought the guide track sounded so good that I didn't sing" excuse aint going to cut it next time.

    JG makes a note in his special book....

  • Thanks, it’s true — robots have a meaning, usually incorrect. I suppose the thing people consider to be robotic is a relentless mechanised trajectory that may exhibit strategic error, unable to do anything tactical about it.

    I don’t even define robots as humanoid or android shape, yet if I say “robots are taking all our jobs” the image in your mind is predicable. Either it’ll be something like a row of Unimate robots assembling cars, or it’ll be an android-form of helper (RUR, Metropolis, C3PO, Woody Allen’s Sleeper, Kryten, I Robot, etc). It typically won’t be an “appliance” like R2D2, Wall-E, Dark Star, Silent Running in terms of the evoked set. I don’t define a supermarket self-checkout as a robot. It’s no more a robot than a washing machine or video recorder is. However, the combined total area of the self-checkout forms a single robot that people bring their goods into, and is effectively “worn” by the single staff member running the area.

  • Thanks for listening mate! I'm not so melodic, but I hope to be one day...arpeggist might help me tho

    @Jocphone said:
    OK, round 2, ding ding!

    TouchConspiracy - Mystic Law rough edit dnb

    Have listened to your track a handful of times now and I can recognise that it sounds familiar it didn't really reveal any particular signature that would make me think "ah that must be one of TouchConspiracy's" if I heard it again. There were some interesting bland of sounds and textures, the soft booming bass grounded the track well and there was plenty happening but lacked a real melodic hook maybe. Or it could be that I just need to hear a bit more of your work.

    u0421793 - Our Robot Future

    Why do future robots sound like old blippy bloppy synthesizers from 60s TV shows? It's funny how simple sounds can have such shared cultural meaning.

    I like it and I think Ian McNaught-Davis would have approved.

    bsantoro - sm newjazz sidestick

    Oh no! Seems to be missing from the link on the front page of the thread.

    Fitz - In the moment

    Enjoyed the instrumentation on this. From the understated percussion to the slightly wistful trumpetty sort of lead line, all the parts sit really well. I also enjoyed the way the melody developed. There is always a temptation with a short tune to say 'it could have been longer' but I actually thought the brevity worked well right up to the slightly abrupt ending.

    Igneous1 - Discerning space

    Very professional sounding mix with lots of interesting little details, like the gritty footsteps near the start. My main issue though is that, although it introduces many changes throughout the piece, nothing really remarkable ever seems to happen. Many of the sounds are quite presetty. If this music is supposed to work as background then that is fine but I would be tempted to add a bit of excitement to it, to keep the listener alert.

    bsantoro - sm newjazz sidestick2

    I read your response to the earlier discussion, about your working method, where you were talking about jamming to create these tracks (albeit by one person) with some after the fact editing. It is pretty interesting to hear the background working methods involved and I guess your approach of hitting record and going for it, much like Flo26 and a few others on the forum tends to produce a certain kind of structure to your work.
    I think this is something that is more interesting to other musician/players and can feel a bit formless compared to the standard pop song. Nothing wrong with that and your a good player but I'm curious what it might sound like if you were to deliver something more structured?

    Jocphone - Slot slot some Adelivery

    This obsession with snippets of Joy Division songs has got to stop! The bass sound is a bit sluggish for the rest of the track and although it's quite
    lively in headphones, I listened to it again and it sounds rubbish in mono, all out of time. And the "I thought the guide track sounded so good that
    I didn't sing" excuse aint going to cut it next time.

    MattFletcher2000 - One word

    Gotta agree with the others the bass in the first section is quite something. I saw this song as working in 3 sections.
    After a good intro that builds at a steady pace, you really pushed the middle section and it is a thrilling ride to follow
    all the little threads in there. If there was any downside it would be that the third and last section fizzled out a little.
    If this was intended to be down tempo after the madness of the middle section then it could have gone further down/much more mellow.

    Don't get me wrong though, this is a minor criticism and rest of the track carried it easily. Up to your usual high standard.

  • @u0421793 said:

    I don’t define a supermarket self-checkout as a robot. It’s no more a robot than a washing machine or video recorder is. However, the combined total area of the self-checkout forms a single robot that people bring their goods into, and is effectively “worn” by the single staff member running the area.

    This is a very good or philosophically broadening definition.

  • @jocphone cheers for commenting on my track, I'm planning on updating it later. I was rather pleased with myself for actually getting something finished on iOS and I really should have worked some more on it's arrangement.

    I shall be giving feedback on everyone's tracks who commented on mine (which I think is fair enough). Regarding yours:

    Quite engaging up to 0.09, then it becomes very messy tonally and rhythmically, it improves a bit at 0:42 then meanders off in an unstructured manner. A 'lumpy' bassline and little flow, with some rather distracting distorted sounds ensue. The marimba is the best bit for me.

  • @Igneous1 said:
    jocphone cheers for commenting on my track, I'm planning on updating it later. I was rather pleased with myself for actually getting something finished on iOS and I really should have worked some more on it's arrangement.

    Completely agree. The production had a lot going for it.

    Quite engaging up to 0.09, then it becomes very messy tonally and rhythmically, it improves a bit at 0:42 then meanders off in an unstructured manner. A 'lumpy' bassline and little flow, with some rather distracting distorted sounds ensue. The marimba is the best bit for me.

    Well they do say first impressions count! Thanks for the comments Igneous1. Looking forward to this months submissions.

  • @touchconspiracy said:
    Thanks for listening mate! I'm not so melodic, but I hope to be one day...arpeggist might help me tho

    Not saying you have to get more melodic. It's just something that I find interesting as it seems the most "magic" bit of songwriting.

    Don't remember where I heard it but someone suggested you should sing the melody of music you are writing because it helps to work out the phrasing. Might even give it a go myself for next month. Anyway great stuff TC!

  • @jocphone thanks for taking it well, it was meant that way ! I should have added that that first section and the less manic bits could be developed to add to the track.

    Here's the rest of my feedback / commentings:

    @Monzo
    Pretty mad but it works well, darkly psychedelic and oblique. The drums / percussion at 2:42 work well, in particular.

    @richardyot
    Good pop sensibility, shades of depeche mode, the solo instrumental break works. Perhaps it needs to be developed some more as a song and the 'lyrics' could be updated too !

    @Mattfletcher2000
    I don't know the genre very well but I like this one, the hi-hats are a bit much for me, but the timpani/conga (?) bits later on work well. I like the chordal stuff, but the samples don't do much for me.

    @Marcel
    A well structured song, a particularly effective change at 0:54. Perhaps too much delay on the vocals (?), nicely
    understated guitar parts - well recorded too. Nice end section.

    @JohnnyGoodyear
    Commented earlier, but another comment is that I think it just needs to be pared down a bit (vocally) in parts, to
    project better.

    @bsantoro ('newJazz')
    Perhaps needs a bit more flow, I think it works as it is, but would / may work better if the drums didn't come and
    go as they do now (bit of a 'hole' at 0:40). The mix is a bit bass light. Interesting chordal stuff throughout.

  • @Igneous1 said:
    jocphone thanks for taking it well, it was meant that way ! I should have added that that first section and the less manic bits could be developed to add to the track.

    I actually was thinking of doing this track again because it has given me some good ideas about where to take it next. The feedback is also good, I just have to take some time to work out what it means.

  • @HorseGas, very enjoyable. Filled with underlying tension, but elements of sweetness. Did this thing grow from experiments or did you have the idea before you started? Sounds like you're having fun!

    @OfficiallyAlive, nice vocals, great sound and mix. The main word that comes to mind is 'tasteful'. Nothing to critique really.

    @bsantoro (SM Dub), great contrast between manic rhythm and beautiful melodies. Had to listen twice. I really like the variety of sounds in the background. And again, very well mixed.

  • @Igneous1 said:
    Monzo
    Pretty mad but it works well, darkly psychedelic and oblique. The drums / percussion at 2:42 work well, in particular.

    >

    Thanks, I wanted to use more of the percussion but ran out of time. Maybe I'll do an extended version some day.

    @Fitz said:
    HorseGas, very enjoyable. Filled with underlying tension, but elements of sweetness. Did this thing grow from experiments or did you have the idea before you started? Sounds like you're having fun!

    Thank you :) This was a 'make it up as I go along' track. I started with Elastic Drums for the rhythm and then recorded instruments onto this, and after a while they dictated the mood so I picked a suitable sample for the voice. I find this is the best way for me to work - if I start out with a definite structure and plan, thing's tend to sound a bit dull and stilted, whereas the 'organic' experimental approach seems to work better for me - maybe my enjoyment of working this way finds it's way into the track.

  • edited July 2015

    I will try to finish commenting on June ... Before the end of July!

    @JohnnyGoodyear. If these are all your voices then they are very good. Do you have an American accent now? It's always a problem for me - I tend to loose my British accent and end up sounding America. The track seems to go on a bit long without anything new being added, but not to an annoying point. It does seem like a private party after a few drinks were imbibed.

    @richardyot. Nice warm mix. Drums seem a bit repetitive at times, but lots of nice stuff going with them to make up for it. Enjoyable melodic sense you have, not always sure about the vox, but as a test it seems to work.

    @touchconspiracy, almost in direct comparison, this seems very agitated. Probably the genre, and maybe if you dance you have a different perspective? Mix wise I found it quite difficult on my headphones, although a second listen improved (maybe I just wasn't ready for it). Does change quite dramatically which is no bad thing, but added to the restlessness of the whole thing.

  • @Fitz said:
    I will try to finish commenting on June ... Before the end of July!

    JohnnyGoodyear. If these are all your voices then they are very good. Do you have an American accent now? It's always a problem for me - I tend to loose my British accent and end up sounding America. The track seems to go on a bit long without anything new being added, but not to an annoying point. It does seem like a private party after a few drinks were imbibed.

    Thanks for the thoughts. Vocally I'm a hodgepodge, but then that's probably consistent with my personality as well :)

  • @JohnnyGoodYear "Our guns are loaded and you're always in range." Love that line and the entire lyrical approach, really. Great to hear you stretching those pipes in a variety of interesting ways, as well as that recurring little synth jab. Combined it does create the sonic image of a host of .01%ers mocking and jeering from seemingly every surveillance camera. Little things can add a lot and I like those hi-hat clasps punching through just before the end.

    The timing on the first "guns are loaded, always in range" around the 1:05 mark sounds like you slid behind the groove a bit. But that could be intentional. One tip I learned during my stint as a graphic designer that may apply is, "subtle's fine, just don't be too subtle or folks might mistake it for a mistake."

    That's it for nits. After only one listen, overheard, Mrs. Eustressor was humming this track hours later :)

  • I've always loved her.

  • @richardyot "This is just a test" - oddly soothing for something with robotic vocals, like a soundtrack for Brautigan's "Machines of Loving Grace." I think this owes to a strong composition wrapped around the main beat, with tasteful shifts and open "breathing space" between verses. I found myself thinking this could be a track from The Buggles "Age of Plastic."

    Lots of brilliant touches throughout, like the "is it a guitar, is it a synth" solo early on, but I think my favorite part is the melodically howling dinosaur lead in the outro. Really solid piece :)

  • @TouchConspiracy "Mystic Law" - the ominous bass tones in the opening grabbed my attention, a lot of consecutive bars of pure DnB diverted it somewhat, then that great straight ahead drum break at 1:25 really grabbed me.

    For me, DnB tends to build up a lot of frenetic tension. Often it seems to be left to the sweating masses on the dance floor to release it themselves throbbing at 174BPM, so it's refreshing to hear such a strong, rock'n'roll change up. For me it was unexpected, and that always keeps things more interesting. Nice work!

  • Thanks for the kind words! Reminds me to try for unpredictable change ups in my house based tracks lol

    Appreciate that feedback very much!

    @eustressor said:
    TouchConspiracy "Mystic Law" - the ominous bass tones in the opening grabbed my attention, a lot of consecutive bars of pure DnB diverted it somewhat, then that great straight ahead drum break at 1:25 really grabbed me.

    For me, DnB tends to build up a lot of frenetic tension. Often it seems to be left to the sweating masses on the dance floor to release it themselves throbbing at 174BPM, so it's refreshing to hear such a strong, rock'n'roll change up. For me it was unexpected, and that always keeps things more interesting. Nice work!

  • edited July 2015

    Love to hear you talking Music like that:) Thankyou

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