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I've updated post no.2 in the thread with the entries so far. Using Matt's tip there should hopefully be no more crashes.
@richardyot Well done Brigadier.
@all Ten Days To Shake The World people!
Alright, never done this before
Here's my track, for u guys to rip apart:)
Drum and bass, all gadget as usual- kind of old school, but that's me lol
@touchconspiracy I used to dance to drum and bass on a very regular basis 20 years ago, but I'm wondering if I'm a little out of touch with the genre, because this piece is very hard edged, and I really can't imagine how I could dance to that without horse prescription amphetamines. I'm probably showing my age....
For me as a punter rather than a current aficionado of the genre I think the track lacks any kind of groove, the breakbeats are so hard, and also there's very little in the way of melodic content so I was wondering what it was in the tune that was supposed to hold my interest. Maybe there's an element of acquired taste about this, but someone more qualified will have to explain what the gauge of quality is in that case.
Lol, thanx for listening Richard. We are all getting older, our tastes change, mellow out etc
There's many kinds of dnb and many a lot harder than mine lol, and faster. Some outright aggressive / brutal
But there's loads of melodic dnb too, of which I'm not an expert at making yet. But arpeggist by virsyn is helping me out with melodies.
Check out Ram and Hospital records for the latest styles of dnb.
Maybe the track wasn't accirding to your current tastes, that fine lol, but cheers for being honest mate
What kind of genres you like these days btw
@touchconspiracy I'm with the Brigadier on this one, but that might be because we're dead white men and as such we should probably recuse ourselves etc. I will add, and this is a more general gadgety point that the included kits, especially when it comes to certain 'music' samples, are inevitably becoming old hat. In this case (and solely because I've used it myself) the trumpety parp at around 22/23 seconds is like an old friend, which is good in some ways but worth keeping an eye on I guess.
I did prefer the second half of the track and (high praise in my own perverse way) while I didn't want to dance to it I could easily see/hear it being played as a soundtrack for something late at night, London streets, rain (natch) and ideally an old Cortina.
Glad to have you along for the ride and I look forward to reading other better-informed comments.
Well taken. I think it's tricky with the more esoteric/niche stuff, because it's obviously not aimed at the mainstream market or old men such as Johnny and myself. But thanks for posting and challenging us in our tastes.
It also depends on who your intended audience is and what your aims are as a creator. You're clearly not aiming to please old farts like me, so my criticism really is moot. I think someone more versed in the genre you're working in would offer more valuable criticism.
Sometimes it's easier to say nothing when you don't like a track, a route I usually choose to take. But then you might be doing the artist a disservice, it's hard to know.
Rubbish...you babbiess....(only joking). I like it, not too fast for me but then I listen to Venetian Snares for pleasure. It's nicely recorded and put together, but I like a bit more variety - the D&B stuff I like jumps about more rhythm-wise - more variation and more crazy sounds. Get Cyclop cranked up and break up the rhythm with some Elastic Drums madness. It's a good track though, so this is meant as constructive feedback (hopefully)...
Thanks for all the feedbacks so far. Points well taken.
Need to clarify my intentions:
I'm stuck in the late 80s/90s..was a dj and producer in England during those days and kind of dropped out when things got commercial and more cash orientated. So my tastes and style might reflect that a bit. So I'm quite underground.
A lot of today's dance stuff I hate and I rarely listen to it, only for reference. The electro house, vocoder Dubstep and pop dnb stuff grates against me, not liking it at all.
As u know, I use gadget exclusively and I'm taking my time, being very cautious not to rush. I barely even record automations yet..but I'm getting comfortable.
This is why my style is more progressive rather than filled with abrupt, exciting sudden changes and more ambitious sequencing.
I'll get there, but only when I'm finally happy that my current focus on overall sound quality and compatibility between sounds in each channel is solid.
I love gadget, it's the app I always needed, I feel at home with it.
So I'm just going slow, really focusing on getting the very best overall output I possibly can.
Thanks so much, I think it's a good idea posting tracks specifically for critical feedback, I'm sure I'll learn lots from u guys:)
hey @richardyot just watched the 25 minutes talk you posted earlier. Interesting talk, and indeed is what we are sort of aiming for here (though not at a professional level). Good and interesting talk to watch, thanks for posting it, I didn't find it off topic.
@touchconspiracy - welcome to the club!
I like this track and have heard it quite a few times because it's on your soundcloud and in your mix.
The sounds you use are really spot on for the genre. You've got the mix of drums, bass, pads and FX really well tuned against each other which makes it sound really pro. Any given part of the track sounds to me like credible, released D&B.
I guess the only thing I'd say in terms of improvement might be the overall song structure. If you listen to any 30 secs of it, it works. However the whole track from start to end perhaps feels just like 4 or 5 sections stuck together. I guess the best tracks are clever in terms of introducing a hook near the beginning, then building up another theme - followed by a lull, then coming back at the end with the hook + the theme and double the energy for the big finale (...or something!). I don't get a particular overall 'journey' like this from your track... Although I really like all the bits - and sometimes that's enough in a track TBH.
Hope that makes some sense!
Thanks Matt
You are right and I mentioned before my focus is on sound compatibility and overall clarity in the mix
I'm slowly automating effects now and meditating on how to tighten and enliven compositions
I don't want to just do it and have it sound a mess, I got to do it right
And I want to make it sound different !!!
Next track is a bit more out the box
Should have it dine by Monday, but lol, the GF is staying the weekend..
@JohnnyGoodyear catching up on SOTMC. I Like it punkster! Stays in your head & hard to shift. It's got a "slap my thigh" country/punk style & that's really tidy (as the Welsh say). Keep em coming! I'm having the same punk vocal issues as you. Back in the late 70s I'd have screamed (I'm no singer at all) the lyrics out but now, the venom has deteriorated......
along with the tartan bondage trousers.
Can't wait to hear what @monzo does to it. Love, love, love dirty, rotten, spiteful bass & when I'm more confident in using apps, DAWs, oh & musical notes, Cyclops will be purchased.
Respect for the tune @JohnnyGoodyear & also @monzo for the Crass track. I just had to get the vinyl out & listen to the album again,,,,,,,followed by UK Subs, Angelic Upstarts, The Damned etc & all the "Oi" bands Cockney Rejects, The 4Skins. Inspiration indeed, thanks.
Nice one. Look forward to your next song.
@Bluepunk if every album sounded just a bit more like "Machine Gun Etiquette" the world would be a happier place
@JohnnyGoodyear a bit late, but I just listened to your contribution. Nice vocal variety, I like that. I don't like the instrumental theme, but I think a lot of people do. But the vocals are really nice. Great artwork as ever.
A bit off topic, but It would be interesting to hear from you a ballad sung in a Jim Morrison/Nick Cave/John Cale style, in their slow songs. They all have 'personality' in their voices, I wonder if you can do something like that. Nick Cave's No More Shall We Part is a great album, shure you can do something like that...no not shure....but it might be a direction that is a possibility for you. Just an idea. A bit slow ballad with chords, a melody, and your voice. Make it a fictional story (to avoid getting too involved) , or just not too autobiographical (to avoid what I just said) and sing it with emotion. Just dreaming now. I could perhaps add some subtle piano to it.
@Bluepunk Thank you Monsieur Punkbleu, I was never quite hardcore enough for the full Oi experience, or maybe it came along a crucial two or three years past my punk prime
I also accept that I might have been a soft boy from West London, what can you do, and by the time I moved to Brixton and parts more south-east I graduated on to the better parts of my ganja nature.... 
@Marcel And thank you Sir for your honest and personal reaction. I appreciate your thoughts. I do actually have slower and sadder piece I am working on currently. I think in the way it's coming out, my first version will be some singing against a synth wash of some kind, but I have been thinking that in the hands of a pianist it might be improved. Or even a slide guitar. Perhaps if/when I present it here (def. NOT before the JULY SOTM) you can see if it is something that catches your attention as far as perhaps adding some piano to it.....thanks again.
@eustressor oh yes indeed Sir. There's something wonderful about that album. Not just the tunes but the way it sounds/was mixed/produced. Almost melancholy. Rat Scabies is a drummer I love listening to. Bloody hell, life seemed so much easier back then.
It was easier, but not always better.
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with you there Johnny! Soft boy? I walk my 2 fluffy, white, ribboned haired Bichon Frise every night! West to East London! Is/was that allowed without a passport? 
What singing/mic app did you use on "I am the big I am." It's just as a newb Ive started my app collection & just got Vocal Live (free). Will play with it tomoz. I was getting a wee bit bored with the GB robot voice. 
Very, very true.
As regards mics/apps I did a variety of things. I have still not settled on The Way. My favorite straight up Vox app is MicSwap Pro. But recording straight into Auria dry and then working with the plugs is what takes care of 90% at the moment. Any and all of this via an Apogee which I have had no problems with and is consistent as hell (unlike its owner etc).
Haha. Snap. Thank you kind Sir for your vox set up.
@bluepunk, Welcome mate! Not that you were asking me but I use and am quite happy with vocalive.Ive tried a few others,singaling & another that I can't remember right now but I find it easy to use.Goodluck with your new app collection!!:D
@LostBoy85 Thank you for your welcome & with all the "app collecting." I've just played with VL & Its a nice bit of kit. Can't believe it's Free. Bonus! Means my Father's Day money can be spent elsewhere. Once understood, hopefully it may "help" in making me (or the dogs) sound, well, better. ......Now....what's the next app? It's exciting but daunting with all these apps. That & the brain freeze of learning again! Thanks again @LostBoy85 really appreciate it.
The Cockney Rejects and Oi, that takes me back to the days of 'Sounds' ! Stinky Turner et al.
@JohnnyGoodyear - just listened to your track, twice...
So...
You should be applauded for the "whole song" nature of the track. I'm really pleased it's not (another) 2 minute interlude - nice as they are... but actually a full production of a full track
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It's interesting and there's a lot there to 'think about' if you know what I mean.
My comments here are really about personal taste now, because technically/production wise it's great. The vocals are loose and live sounding I know - but that's the style. So it's kind of elevated feedback about whether I personally like it...
Things I like:
vocal attitude
driving beat throughout
the chorus - it's simple and catchy
Edit: the far away from the mic vocal style used sometimes
Things I'm kind of not sure about
As i say i like the chorus. It feels like it could maybe be beefed up a bit in some way. But it's good. The stuff around it (the verse and the intro) feel a little bit too wacky maybe. Or something. They don't seem to do the chorus and the idea justice somehow. Although i suspect the words in the verse are great - they feel a bit rushed through and not made enough of (I know that's deliberate though).
Anyway - i'm ceasing to make sense.
I think this track is a step up though. To be honest I think it's much easier to make a short unstructured ditty feel quite perfect. A whole track like this is great to hear but it suddenly needs everything to work together. This has lots of bits that work pretty well - there's just something a bit incongruous for me.
Keep it up though.
By the way... I promise i'll get through them all before the end of the month - off to see Mogwai tonight (i bet some people on here like them)... but I still have 4 days left!
@Igneous1 Ah yes "Sound" was my fav weekly music rag back then. Lots of Punk related info. Gaz Bushell was one of their journo's & the "inventor" of Oi I seem to remember. Maybe "Oi" was tarnished because of the Skin Head following & the agro that seemed to break out at most gigs. But the music, proper power punk, was at least a bit more Radio 1 friendly. Sir John Peel....thank you.
Thanks @Matt_Fletcher_2000. I appreciate the detailed feedback. Sometimes even someone's areas of confusion speak to what we know already but aren't wholly prepared to fess up to. For all of that, one of the great benefits of this overall exercise is the way it has freed me/forced me to 'just get it done' and take the step into further unrulyness, rather than hiding behind the need to make something pretty and complete, however small.
I will give @richardyot credit here too (again
in the way his view of what we're all here for (be it separate but equal) is to not just remain comfortable and get the easy pat on the back, but to try and stretch some and improve. With this song I knew that I would have something that I would end up needing further revisiting but that that was fine. I realize now that if I only work on any variation of one-man-band stuff I rule out pieces that one day could also have guitarists and producers etc etc adding their skills, and -after all- that's why so many musical efforts are collaborative.
I think one of the drawbacks (for me) of having so much technology/capability at my fingertips is sometimes the rush to polish things up as 'finished' when (again for me) the real value of this group is to reach out and try and write songs and then to see where they can go from there...
Thanks again. It should be said (a marker in the sand or a warning
that the idea I'm currently working on comes directly from the SOTM and comments made that I sing too many words and too confusedly, so the next effort will perhaps again be small but will focus on more clarity/honesty. We'll see.
@johnnyGoodyear,
I liked this one, it kind of reminded me of 'D'ya think I'm sexy' by the Revolting Cocks and the voice was eerily like David Byrne's in places.
On the critical side, the vocal delivery timing was pretty lax in places, strong wordplay though.